Why is there so much pluging going on for SHIII here?

[leovampire]

It seems to me at times in this forum that SHIII is getting mentioned more to people than SHIV or am I dreaming this?

Here we are trying to keep UBisoft and the Dev's interested enough in this vs of their series of Sub Sim's to get this and that done to it to make it better right?!

And keep sales of it up enough so they might be interested in some day making a new one again in the future no matter how distant it may be.

But in a lot of new posts from new people SHIII is still mentioned and said it should be looked at for a purchase.

Am I wrong in what I am thinking but isn't that going to hurt this game and or series in the long run?

I am not talking as a modder but someone who owns and loves every single one of these Sub Sim's that have been put out for purchase over the years.

It just seems to me we are defeating the purpose of getting them to make new types of these Sim's and differn't type's.

I Love SHIII but for years now it has always been about German Sub's and Atlantic battle's. Finaly they did something differen't and still the old SHIII get's mentioned to everyone that comes here.

What kind of message are we sending to the makers of this Sim? Is it that change in this game series is bad and you just can't teach and old dog new tricks so why bother doing somthing other than what works?

Granted there are some great modder's out there that have done wonders with SHIII and I know they want their work used and apreciated but we want the series to keep going and bring in some new blood so to speak. Figures a vampire talking about Blood right!? :rotfl:

This is just an opinion and observation and I would really like to know if I am seeing and understanding thing's right?!

Dave

[d@rk51d3]

I wouldn't say "it's being pushed....."

.....Rather, "hey, for 15 bucks and a reasonable sized mod to download you can have a hell of alot of fun.":up:

Anyone who has the intention of purchasing SHIV will do so anyway. And once the SHIV supermods become established, the tide will surely turn...... just in time for the release of SHV.:lol:


Just my (SH3) biased opinion.

Cheers.

[maerean_m]

I guess it's like Windows XP vs Vista.

The old version has reached a state in which is a good piece of software and runs better (having lower requirements). But the new version is also getting better and optimized so is soon going to do more stuff at the same speed.

There are great things coming to you.

[THE_MASK]

Merry christmas

[leovampire]

I wouldn't say "it's being pushed....."

.....Rather, "hey, for 15 bucks and a reasonable sized mod to download you can have a hell of alot of fun.":up:

Anyone who has the intention of purchasing SHIV will do so anyway. And once the SHIV supermods become established, the tide will surely turn...... just in time for the release of SHV.:lol:


Just my (SH3) biased opinion.

Cheers.

I will change that word because your right.

[leovampire]

I guess it's like Windows XP vs Vista.

The old version has reached a state in which is a good piece of software and runs better (having lower requirements). But the new version is also getting better and optimized so is soon going to do more stuff at the same speed.

There are great things coming to you.

See it is good to have others look at things you wonder about and seem to percieve. Always good to see a new perspective that is one of the reasons why we have the forum.

BTW I did catch the hint thanks for it!

[3Jane]

If Ubisoft pay me to produce info-mercials about their products I would be more than happy to stop mentioning SHIII and talk about SHIV. Until then, I will talk about whichever game version I want. I only intend to play SHIII anyway, as I have no interest whatsoever in playing a game featring the PTO.
I don't really think we are here to get anyone to do anything. As far as I see it we discuss games/ mods/ developements according to preference, taste and interest. Perhaps it's something about the consumer mentality across the pond, I don't know. What if we sing a company song, like they do in Japan :p

[TDK1044]

I guess it's like Windows XP vs Vista.

The old version has reached a state in which is a good piece of software and runs better (having lower requirements). But the new version is also getting better and optimized so is soon going to do more stuff at the same speed.

There are great things coming to you.


My guess is that within a month, Silent Hunter 3 will be very old news indeed. :D

[danlisa]

My guess is that within a month, Silent Hunter 3 will be very old news indeed. :D
LOL, I doubt it.;) There's too many new developments happening in SH3 for it to quietly disappear under the waves.

[TDK1044]

Don't get me wrong, if there was a 'no starforce' version of SH3 available I'd certainly install it. I'm a Silent Hunter 3 fan, but it looks old and tired in comparison to SH4 patched to 1.3 and modded to taste. Patch 1.4 is going to be awesome by all accounts.

[Galanti]

. Patch 1.4 is going to be awesome by all accounts.

Without linking to Ubi forums, do you have an idea of what it's going to contain?

I'm currently hooked on SH4, prefer the PTO, but I wouldn't count SH3 out yet. On balance, and when fully pimped out with GWX and such, it's not all that far below SH4 in terms of graphic quality.

[HunterICX]

I guess it's like Windows XP vs Vista.

The old version has reached a state in which is a good piece of software and runs better (having lower requirements). But the new version is also getting better and optimized so is soon going to do more stuff at the same speed.

There are great things coming to you.

See it is good to have others look at things you wonder about and seem to percieve. Always good to see a new perspective that is one of the reasons why we have the forum.

BTW I did catch the hint thanks for it!


Comparing SH3 vs SH4
as if it where XP vs Vista is not a really good comparison

why?

XP and Vista is the same thing, its platform ;)
only in a new jacket, buggy at start..but hopefully is fixed later on.


but SH3 and SH4 are both different theaters
so the Atlantic sauerkraut bubbleheads say SH3
the Pacific Hula Hula heads say SH4

so both still have thing to offer for both parties
that it got mentioned a lot , well dont know...
but SH3 was in same spotlight as SH4
it was buggy, it hadnt anything to offer.
but as soon it got patched and got dressed with nice mods
voilá, a great sim

this is also going to happen with SH4
but that doesnt mean SH3 is going away.
as SH3 is a different theater, but if guys mod SH4 that gives a atlantic theater in the SH4 game, in a good quality form then maybe you can say SH3 is going to slip away into the background.
but thats going to take a while.

just my 2 cents

[danlisa]

Don't get me wrong, if there was a 'no starforce' version of SH3 available I'd certainly install it. I'm a Silent Hunter 3 fan, but it looks old and tired in comparison to SH4 patched to 1.3 and modded to taste. Patch 1.4 is going to be awesome by all accounts.

Agree with the SF issue.:yep:

However, I have to diagree with your opinion of SH3 looking tired & old. However, you have not seen what I have.:lol:

[TDK1044]

. Patch 1.4 is going to be awesome by all accounts.

Without linking to Ubi forums, do you have an idea of what it's going to contain?

I'm currently hooked on SH4, prefer the PTO, but I wouldn't count SH3 out yet. On balance, and when fully pimped out with GWX and such, it's not all that far below SH4 in terms of graphic quality.

The answer to your patch 1.4 inquiry should be supplied by Ubisoft very soon now. I can't comment further. As for SH3, I agree with you but I think patch 1.4 will push SH4 beyond the reach of SH3.

[SteamWake]

I still prefer apples.

[TDK1044]

How about a Christmas DVD boxed set of SH3 with no SF and SH4 patched to 1.4? Now wouldn't that be nice! :D

[cdrsubron7]

How about a Christmas DVD boxed set of SH3 with no SF and SH4 patched to 1.4? Now wouldn't that be nice! :D



You seem to be in the know about the 1.4 patch, TDK1044. I know you say you can't comment further, but maybe you could give a ballpark figure on a release date or announcement. Will it be a few days, weeks or what? I'm dying to know. :yep:

[Uber Gruber]

I have to say that as much as I like the graphical environment of SHIV it still doesn't have SHIII's appeal.

In SHIV I TC across to Japan, scout about, sink some ships and TC back to base. I do this because i find the theatre dull and just want to sink ships.

In SHIII I sail out of my base knowing that i'm gonna have a hell of a patrol against a more than capable adversary and that I have to really work hard to achieve tonnage. The tension and emmersion of SHIII just blows SHIV out of the water in my view and no SHIV patch will change my oppinion on this.

That said, this is only my view and i'm an Atlantic Theatre fan with little interest in the Pacific Theatre. I would happily play SHIV all the time once the Atlantic Sharks have adpated it to the Atlantic Theatre.

[stabiz]

For me SH4 looks better (and I like good graphics) but SH3 plays better. At the moment.

But ... SH4 is young, and if something like the Atlantic Sharks gets released I bet nearly all will leave SH3 behind.

[TDK1044]

Honestly, cdrsubron7, it's in Ubisoft's control, but I'd certainly be looking at sooner rather than later.

[cdrsubron7]

I suppose that its really a matter of choice. Whether you're a Atlantic guy or a PTO guy. I played SHIII for quite awhile until SHIV came out and haven't play SHII since, but enjoyed my time playing when I did. Nothing against SHIII, I've always been more interested in the Pacific.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I think the the initial bad press that SH4 received LV is still having an effect. The early days turned many people off, so those folks or at least some of them, went to SH3. Even here, there were probably twice as many negative threads as positive ones back in March and for the first few months.

What a difference time, patch 1.3 and many great mods have mads. Slowly but surely folks are coming back and realizing that SH4 is a great game\experience. Yes, some folks are still going to SH3, but that speaks mountains for that game, it is a hell of an experience( I still play it :yep: ), but with the anticipated patch and continued modding, I believe SH4 will far eclipse SH3, isn't that what we want in the end, for each sim to be better than the last, regardless of what theatre it is in.

Just some thoughts.


RDP

[KrvKpt. Falke]

What kind of message are we sending to the makers of this Sim? Is it that change in this game series is bad and you just can't teach and old dog new tricks so why bother doing somthing other than what works?

Maybe if the devs still come here and see what you described this can tell them that they shouldnt forget about SH3, that it has a lot of things which should be in SH4 but arent (most important: IMMERSION - for gods sake:roll:).
And it not necesarily means that by choosing the Pacific they did a mistake...

And i dont think they will abandon SH4 completly because people talks SH3 too much.

[darkfin]

I own and enjoy both 3 and 4. I've recently purchased a new game machine and 4 runs fantastic. I would just love to install 3 but my new OS is Vista and I am really concerned that SF will screw up my new system. I really wish the guys at UBI would release something in the near future to do away with SF so I can get back in the Atlantic. This Silent Hunter series, with the work of the modders, just keeps getting better.

[AVGWarhawk]

My guess is that within a month, Silent Hunter 3 will be very old news indeed. :D
LOL, I doubt it.;) There's too many new developments happening in SH3 for it to quietly disappear under the waves.

Don't be so sure friend....I think quite a few, if not all, will be pleasently surprised. Have you ever heard the saying, 'The world is your ocean?'

[danlisa]

Don't be so sure friend....
I'm very sure.:lol:

True, I have not seen the 1.4 patch for SH4 but you have not seen the latest work from GWX either.

There is no way that SH3 will be forgotten so soon.:cool:

EDIT - Quote is not representive as you added while I was posting.

[AVGWarhawk]

Don't be so sure friend....
I'm very sure.:lol:

True, I have not seen the 1.4 patch for SH4 but you have not seen the latest work from GWX either.

There is no way that SH3 will be forgotten so soon.:cool:

EDIT - Quote is not representive as you added while I was posting.

Time will tell.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Regardless of varying opinions on SH3\4, this place, SUBSIM, is better off for having great sims for folks to experience. What folks choose to play is their choice in
the end :yep:


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

Regardless of varying opinions on SH3\4, this place, SUBSIM, is better off for having great sims for folks to experience. What folks choose to play is their choice in
the end :yep:


RDP


True dat!:up:

[capt_frank]

'The world is your ocean?'

Reading between the lines here gives me a rather large impression that maybe the two sims could be merged in patch 1.4?

But then again, that's a rather large impression...:D

[KLCARROLL]

I don’t understand why some feel that it has to be a choice between SH3 and SH4. They simulate two significantly different combat environments, and feature vastly different “hardware”. It’s only natural that some will find one sim more attractive than the other.

Personally, I am still primarily an SH3 player, as I love my little TypeIID, and the close in coastal work.

My copy of SH4 sits on a shelf for two main reasons;

1) It is considerably more demanding in terms of hardware resources than SH3, and my machine is marginal.
2) UBI disappointed me in a big way when they failed to include the Narwhal Class boats; ….And I am disinclined to spend the money to fix “item 1” merely to play with a bunch of virtually identical fleet boats.

….Now if V1.4 happens to include a Narwhal, then all of the above goes out the window! I will happily spend the $500 I need to invest in my machine!

(UBI Take Note!!! …..We spend FAR more money on hardware to run your games properly than we spend in purchasing the game! You don’t really have to be discounting your stuff to the point of questionable profitability!!!)


klcarroll

[d@rk51d3]

'The world is your ocean?'

Reading between the lines here gives me a rather large impression that maybe the two sims could be merged in patch 1.4?

But then again, that's a rather large impression...:D
I'm getting all giddy!

[AVGWarhawk]

.Now if V1.4 happens to include a Narwhal, then all of the above goes out the window! I will happily spend the $500 I need to invest in my machine!
You crack me up with the Narwhal. I certainly hope someone can design the Narwal for this game. Variety is the spice of life.

[ReallyDedPoet]

'The world is your ocean?'

Not to be side-tracked, but I agree, this is interesting AVG ^^^ :yep:

I have to admit, I am big-time interested to see what is in the new patch. I really see this as a bonus, as I am really enjoying SH4 with TM, ROW and bunch of smaller
mods :yep:


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

'The world is your ocean?'
Reading between the lines here gives me a rather large impression that maybe the two sims could be merged in patch 1.4?

But then again, that's a rather large impression...:D


No, Atlantic Shark mod has resumed again!

[tonschk]

Quote from stabiz " (For me SH4 looks better (and I like good graphics) but SH3 plays better.)"

Quote from Shadow_858" (SH3 offers more cat and mouse drama. SH4 offers a better visual experience.)"

Some reasons because I like more SH3 are for example the fooding animation of each compartment are very good , actually we can see the water flooding each damaged room , in SH4 there are only ugly square box to represent the flooding , another reason is because we can see in the damage screen of SH3,how much DamageHitPoints got the sub ( Hull Integrity Percentage ) , in SH4 the player only can GUESS about this damage and therefore the player have NO idea about the SCORE of the game

[AVGWarhawk]

Quote from stabiz " (For me SH4 looks better (and I like good graphics) but SH3 plays better.)"

Quote from Shadow_858" (SH3 offers more cat and mouse drama. SH4 offers a better visual experience.)"

Some reasons because I like more SH3 are for example the fooding animation of each compartment are very good , actually we can see the water flooding each damaged room , in SH4 there are only ugly square box to represent the flooding , another reason is because we can see in the damage screen of SH3,how much DamageHitPoints got the sub ( Hull Integrity Percentage ) , in SH4 the player only can GUESS about this damage and therefore the player have NO idea about the SCORE of the game


Each game has it strong points and it's weak points. No doubt.

[Dowly]

This comparisation is silly. Two different games. It's like comparing salt and sugar.

And if 1.4 patch will take players out of SHIII, then that would mean SHIII & SHIV combined AND that would mean, that the patch comes out in 2015.

And while Atlantic Sharks sure looks tempting, I see only 6 devs on the team. Any idea how long it will take for them to build their mod up to the point where it can compete with GWX? ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

And while Atlantic Sharks sure looks tempting, I see only 6 devs on the team. Any idea how long it will take for them to build their mod up to the point where it can compete with GWX? ;)

I'm not aware of any competition. :hmm:

[Hitman]

In SHIV I TC across to Japan, scout about, sink some ships and TC back to base. I do this because i find the theatre dull and just want to sink ships.

In SHIII I sail out of my base knowing that i'm gonna have a hell of a patrol against a more than capable adversary and that I have to really work hard to achieve tonnage. The tension and emmersion of SHIII just blows SHIV out of the water in my view and no SHIV patch will change my oppinion on this.


Well, then may be you should pick an S-Boat in 1941 out of Manila and head out to face all alone the invasion task force of the japanese, and of course do NOT use the TDC but only slide rulers, as there was no TDC aboard S-Boats :D

I'm not willing to compare both warfares, they are different and of course suit different tastes. However, if it is the challenge what you like, try what I suggested and be prepared to suffer a lot :yep:

[Dowly]

And while Atlantic Sharks sure looks tempting, I see only 6 devs on the team. Any idea how long it will take for them to build their mod up to the point where it can compete with GWX? ;)

I'm not aware of any competition. :hmm:

There will always be unintentional competition.

[KLCARROLL]

You crack me up with the Narwhal......


Hey! ....Everyone has to have their own little, psychotic obsessions!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


klcarroll

[AVGWarhawk]

And while Atlantic Sharks sure looks tempting, I see only 6 devs on the team. Any idea how long it will take for them to build their mod up to the point where it can compete with GWX? ;)

I'm not aware of any competition. :hmm:
There will always be unintentional competition.


Gotch' ya

[AVGWarhawk]

You crack me up with the Narwhal......

Hey! ....Everyone has to have their own little, psychotic obsessions!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


klcarroll


Thats a fact! The Narwhal as a boat to select would be nice. Didn't it have the dreaded HOR motors?

[KLCARROLL]

The Narwhal as a boat to select would be nice. Didn't it have the dreaded HOR motors?


The Narwhal and her sisters started out with two MAN 2 stroke diesels, but in a Mare Island refit in 1941, they were replaced with four General Motors diesels, which were much more reliable.

Note: In the same refit, the boys at Mare Island also added four external torpedo tubes. (Just another headache for the Dev Team!:rotfl: )


klcarroll

[ORioN17]

I was a big fan of SH3, so when SH4 was released I bought it straight away. I installed it and started playing and it was so buggy and incomplete I never touched it for months. I played SH3 for a bit in-between, then shortly after 1.3 was released I went for it again. It was a far more enjoyable experience, add in TM, ROW and LBO mods and it is fantastic game now. It shouldn’t take Ubi that long to make right, and really shouldn’t be left up to modders to fix a game, but they have done a amazing job, and I am happy with what I paid for now.

While the game doesn’t have all the little bells and whistles SH3 has with certain gauges working and such. The meat of the game is there now, and the emersion of the GFX are amazing at times, I never felt very immersed in SH3 when my crew had faces shaped like Rubbix Cubes (mind you my new crew in SH4 have evil devil eyes and watch me like they are going to kill me in my sleep). I have loaded up SH3 after playing SH4 for a while now, and difference in GFX are miles apart. SH3 is a great game, and feels allot more polished, but hopefully when 1.4 patch comes out it will complete the game and give us all the stuff that missing now and more.

Now I am no naval expert (Im a systems admin by trade), so I don’t know the way the boats act and all the other stuff related to world war 2 naval warfare and submarine life. So I am talking based on GFX and game play for me as a gamer, but it is allot of fun and SH4 feels to me allot more realistic a sim than SH3 did, I know allot of people think not, but like I said im just going from my knowledge and experience.

One thing I really miss is the captains quarters though, SH4 boats feel a bit claustrophobic when submerged only having your command and conning views, ideally a fully explorable sub would be amazing but I doubt that will happen anytime soon, maybe one day though.

Anyways for now I am hooked on SH4. :D

[HunterICX]

does it actually really mind?

this SH3 is old , SHIV is the new,
funny...if SHIV was a atlantic theather you could tell that SH3 was getting old.
but since its the PTO its a difference
so yet again...both theaters are different, so you cant really compare , or tell whats older...and in fact that SHIV is build on top of the SH3 engine...SHIV carries the same age underneath it ;)

but heck...you can debate about this for pages, but is it really that important?
they are both different theaters so you cant really tell whats better.
so enjoy the theather you play.

[danlisa]

but heck...you can debate about this for pages, but is it really that important?

Hell yes it matters.

At the end of the day SH3 is better than SH4.:p

Haha, BRING IT ON.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Spider-Hulk/GWXforum/Smileys/tongue.gif


Eek, Run away!!!!!

j/k

[TDK1044]

I think that Silent Hunter 3 is an excellent game set in the Atlantic, and Silent Hunter 4 is an excellent game set in the Pacific. Both have superb modders making wonderful enhancements to the game so that simpletons like me can really enjoy them. What more needs to be said. :D

[Kodaita]

I'm a fan of both games, I bounce from one to the other quite a bit. Once the new GWX update is out I'll probably be back to SH3 solid for a while. Once I've had my fill, I'll be back to SH4, mainly because SH4 has so much more room to grow, being alot younger. SH3 has a fair chunk of life in it yet, and the next GWX update may be the high point of the SH3 life. All depends if the GWX team is going to keep going or if this is the last update. But SH4 has tons of room to grow yet, and in a year or two will be as big as SH3 is now, with a choice of large supermods, and add-ons. At which point this debate will probably start all over when SH5 comes out. UBI has a tradition of releasing unfinished games, so it will most likely fall to the modders once again to polish the game.

SH3 is by far the more polished of these two games, but it also took years for it to become that way. The modded GFX and gameplay on SH3 are far beyond what anyone thought possible at the time. I am sure that in a few years SH4 will be mindblowing in the same ways. SH3 has lead the way and will continue to do so for a bit yet, but like an aging beauty queen, she will eventually step down for her successor, and SH4 will do likewise farther down the road.

[Ducimus]

RE:Why is there so much pluging going on for SHIII here?

To summarize in one word....


"Fanboism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

[Digital_Trucker]

If Ubisoft pay me to produce info-mercials about their products I would be more than happy to stop mentioning SHIII and talk about SHIV. Until then, I will talk about whichever game version I want. I only intend to play SHIII anyway, as I have no interest whatsoever in playing a game featring the PTO.
I don't really think we are here to get anyone to do anything. As far as I see it we discuss games/ mods/ developements according to preference, taste and interest. Perhaps it's something about the consumer mentality across the pond, I don't know. What if we sing a company song, like they do in Japan :p



I believe this is exactly the thing that Leo was asking about to begin with. Why would a person who has absolutely no interest in SH4 be posting ANYTHING in a forum entitled "Silent Hunter 4:Wolves of the Pacific"? Perhaps there should be a forum for folks to argue the merits/disappointments of the two games, but shouldn't this forum be mostly a discussion of the game that it is named after? I understand comparisons between the two are inevitable, but what is the above poster (and others who do nothing but bash a game that they have never played) attempting to accomplish? Perhaps it's the consumer mentality across the pond (in the opposite direction-extreme sarcasm intended).

[danlisa]

Why would a person who has absolutely no interest in SH4 be posting ANYTHING in a forum entitled "Silent Hunter 4:Wolves of the Pacific"?

I can answer that.

Because SUBSIM is a forum for people who like/enjoy Naval Simulations and as such it will always be an open board. You can't maintain the level of support/interest that Subsim holds by saying "this is your corner, stay in it". Subsim will never actively support an 'Us & Them' policy.

Now, I agree that no-one should deliberately come into the SH4 or SH3 forums just to bash/flame the respective game but everyone must be allow to express their views openly.

It's then up to the moderators to, well, um, moderate.

[TDK1044]

I think the original point has been addressed and the merits of both games explored. Closing thread before it becomes petulent ranting.