Scapa Flow

[robj250]

Hey! The eastern entrance where the wrecked ships were doesn't seem to be available on the SH3 map any more.

January 1, 1941

Anyone know why?

Rob

[andylegate]

Are you using the GWX mod? If so, then the entrances should be there (complete with ship wrecks.).

If you're back to using the stock SH3, there are no eastern entrances unfortunately.

[JU_88]

What he said :roll: :yep:

[robj250]

Are you using the GWX mod? If so, then the entrances should be there (complete with ship wrecks.).

If you're back to using the stock SH3, there are no eastern entrances unfortunately.

I'm sure, before GWX came out that I entered at that end using stock SH

Additional: I guess you are right, I just look at the map and there is no way in. Damn and I come all the way around there.

[robj250]

Then how did Prein get in there, he used that entrance!!!!!

Anyway, how difficult is it to get in from the bottom east entrance, since I'm already on the east side?

[andylegate]

Sorry, didn't see this until late (was out to sea, screwing up again!)

You can enter through there, but watch out for the sub barracades, they make it to where you have to go straight through the middle. But once you're on the other side, you can move back over close to land.

Watch your keel, as you're only going to have 1 - 3 meters of clearence while dived (and of course you'd have to be INSANE not to be dived!).

You'll have quite a few destroyers to contend with in there and all around.

one thing I can suggest. Head to the east side like you planned. Then go to all stop and use the external camera (if you've got it enabled). Zip over towards the port, looking around. I did that earlier tonight, even though with GWX I've got the entrance, just to see what was there and if it would be worth the effort to get there. Glad I did as the only thing there was a large tanker and several destroyers. Not worth it at that point, so I turned around and got out of there.
If you see a nice fat capital ship, then go for it!

[Spruence M]

I have used two different canals to gain entry to scapa flow. The one Gunther Prien used, and the one just south of that. Worked fine, GWX 1.03

[robj250]

I have used two different canals to gain entry to scapa flow. The one Gunther Prien used, and the one just south of that. Worked fine, GWX 1.03

I'm using SH3 to try and finish the war and I think there is a Battleship in there and I want to get her and I'm on the east side.

[melnibonian]

I'm using SH3 to try and finish the war and I think there is a Battleship in there and I want to get her and I'm on the east side.
Rob if you're using Stock SH3 you can enter the lagoon by the South entrance (the main one). There are no sub-nets or mines in SH3 so you just have to be careful of the Patrol Boats.

Good Luck and Good Shooting ;) :up:

[Spruence M]

I did exactly what Prein did, northeastern entrance at kirk sound, and sank the HMS Hood. Surfaced the entire time!

I never so much as got shot at! Was greatly satisfying.

[robj250]

I did exactly what Prein did, northeastern entrance at kirk sound, and sank the HMS Hood. Surfaced the entire time!

I never so much as got shot at! Was greatly satisfying.

The entrance that Prein used is not available in stock SH3 so I will have to enter from the bottom eastern approach. I think there is a subnet there. Presently it is daylight, so I'll have to wait until duck as the waters are calm and I might be spotted on the surface. I have no idea how many destroyers there are in there.

[melnibonian]

The entrance that Prein used is not available in stock SH3 so I will have to enter from the bottom eastern approach. I think there is a subnet there. Presently it is daylight, so I'll have to wait until duck as the waters are calm and I might be spotted on the surface. I have no idea how many destroyers there are in there.
Good Luck Rob. As far as the defences are concerned I don't think they're so formidable. A couple of DDs at most (If I remember this correctly as last time I played SH3 was a couple of years ago)

[Jimbuna]

If your playing stock Rob and intent on entering Scapa, here is the list of what should be in there.
Check your in-game date and you'll see if it's going to be worth the bother :up:

1939/09/15 - 1939/10/10, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1939/10/04 - 1939/10/14, Battleship Revenge, Scapa Flow
1940/03/01 - 1940/05/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/03/07 - 1940/04/25, Aircraft Carrier Illustrious, Scapa Flow
1940/04/01 - 1940/06/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/05/24 - 1940/06/30, Dido Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/12/11 - 1940/12/31, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow
1941/02/01 - 1941/02/17, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/02/10 - 1941/03/20, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/03/15 - 1945/04/30, Fiji Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1942/02/03 - 1942/02/28, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow

[robj250]

I'm trying to enter via the bottom east and so far I've run into 7 warships.

If I was to change and try to enter the western top entrance, I know there are mine fields, but what can I expect in destroyers trying to get in that way?

The Duke of York is in there.

[Jimbuna]

Once you are in the actual basin I believe there are 4 escorts either 1 or perhaps 2 of them are moored :up:

[robj250]

Once you are in the actual basin I believe there are 4 escorts either 1 or perhaps 2 of them are moored :up:

So, the top western approach is the easier to get in then?

[Sailor Steve]

As long as we can change things by date, why not make it so that by January 1940 you can't get in at all? Well, not practically, anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Once you are in the actual basin I believe there are 4 escorts either 1 or perhaps 2 of them are moored :up:

So, the top western approach is the easier to get in then?

In stock I always entered via the southern entrance. In GWX (and I've only attempted this on 3 occasions), I used the eastern entrance. :up:

[robj250]

Once you are in the actual basin I believe there are 4 escorts either 1 or perhaps 2 of them are moored :up:

So, the top western approach is the easier to get in then?

In stock I always entered via the southern entrance. In GWX (and I've only attempted this on 3 occasions), I used the eastern entrance. :up:

Well, I'm waiting for GWX 4 to be released, in the meantime I'm finishing the war in stock SH with an IBX

So, for now, I'm going to try entering Scapa Flow from the top western entrance, If I can avoid the mine fields

[andylegate]

I just did Scapa Flow (GWX version)

It's October 1939, and I lucked out! Normally I curse all the bad weather to no end, but this time, I was glad to have it. Low winds, but heavy fog and rain.
I was able to enter through the eastern entrance, menuvering past the wrecks (was holding my breath there).

Got in, dived to 12 meters and made for 2 knots. Saw a tug going up and down the bay. All the DD's seemed to want to stay south, moving around.

Now, my sonar operator kept identifying several ships as "Merchants" that were stationary. So I figured I'd busted on this attempt and nothing important was anchored here.

Wrong!

Since the fog was so heavy, I decided to take a pot shot at one of these "Stationary Merchants" sending the torpedo along the sonar bearing line, after manually setting up it's distance (past the bearing line), and used AOB to help "fine tune" the fire control solution. Off the torp goes.

Since I wanted to see if it would hit, I went to external camera and followed the wake of the torp (all I had were T-1's). And what do I find sitting there? A V&W DD! The torp slams into her amidships and she breaks in two!
I just sat here at the computer screen, stunned.
I snapped to, and started grumbling to myself: "Where is that sonar operator? Who the heck signed off on his PQS quals? If they just signed off with no training, hey that's Gundecking, and I'm going to hang someone's butt out to dry!"

Okay, apparently, the HUGE explosion did not seem to attract any attention ( ???? ) so I continued on a little further towards Scapa Flow. There again, my sonar operator reports a stationary merchant. I go "Uh huh." and decide to venture out with my camera again.

What met my eyes? A Revenge Class BB!

Drooling (and sounding a LOT like Homer Simpson) I set up a spread of torpedos using the same technique as before. All 3 slammed into her.
Poor BB, she went down (well sort off, she leaned over heavy and is now resting her port side in the bed of the shallow bay).

THAT got the DD's attention. But with the weather, and some very cool patients on my part, we got back out the eastern entrance okay.
I was even feeling better about the fact that my sonar operator doesn't know the difference between a merchant and warships......sort of. I think it's time I did a training review! :arrgh!:

[Spruence M]

I did exactly what Prein did, northeastern entrance at kirk sound, and sank the HMS Hood. Surfaced the entire time!

I never so much as got shot at! Was greatly satisfying.

The entrance that Prein used is not available in stock SH3 so I will have to enter from the bottom eastern approach. I think there is a subnet there. Presently it is daylight, so I'll have to wait until duck as the waters are calm and I might be spotted on the surface. I have no idea how many destroyers there are in there.

GWX 1.03 sorry.

[skookum]

After reading this thread, I decided to try the north east entrance. I entered the port and found a troopship a modern meduim tanker and a bunch of DD's. After the tanker went down, the patrolling DD's headed my way. I somehow managed to torp all three of them and down they went. The troop ship was next. After exhausting all my torps, I decided to explore the bay a bit with the external camera. Hydrophone reported three contacts to the south, but they were stationary. To my surprise I found that all three of these DD had grounded themselves. The AI couldn't figure out what was going on and they just sat there with their props quivering between ahead and reverse. Wierd.

[robj250]

After reading this thread, I decided to try the north east entrance. I entered the port and found a troopship a modern meduim tanker and a bunch of DD's. After the tanker went down, the patrolling DD's headed my way. I somehow managed to torp all three of them and down they went. The troop ship was next. After exhausting all my torps, I decided to explore the bay a bit with the external camera. Hydrophone reported three contacts to the south, but they were stationary. To my surprise I found that all three of these DD had grounded themselves. The AI couldn't figure out what was going on and they just sat there with their props quivering between ahead and reverse. Wierd.

Yes, I've seen them ground themselves while I was in there when I was using the old WX, testing it out. The tides fool the ships sometimes and therefore they ground themselves when to get too close to the shore line (in the fog). I just sat there and laughed :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[robj250]

Okay, I got out of the mess of 8 warships and got around to the top west side.

Which is the easiest?

Entering Scapa Flow between the mine fields? If yes, should to take the route north of the island or south of the island?

Or is it best to go to the bottom and enter through the south west end, then past the subnets?

The shortest route to where the Duke Of York is "supposed to be" is through the top west entrance.

Any advice?

[Jimbuna]

I used to exit South, then turn East :yep:

[robj250]

I used to exit South, then turn East :yep:

Thanks Jim, but the battleships have left Scapa Flow, but I'll keep that in mind for the future.

There is a convoy in Labrador so I'm heading there, but taking a detour into Loch Ewe to get the Light Cruiser.