View Full Version : Londons 200 mil pound CCTV network worthless at stopping crime...
SUBMAN1
09-21-07, 10:05 AM
No surprise there.
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412867-details/Tens+of+thousands+of+CCTV+cameras%2C+yet+80%25+of+ crime+unsolved/article.do
...In fact, four out of five of the boroughs with the most cameras have a record of solving crime that is below average....
http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09/020_19_CCTV_243x196.jpg
I find it hard to belive that cameras don't hep at all. There are undoubtably some cases they have helped with.
However I do not belive the breach of privicy, even in a public place, is worth the benafits.
SUBMAN1
09-21-07, 10:27 AM
I find it hard to belive that cameras don't hep at all. There are undoubtably some cases they have helped with.
However I do not belive the breach of privicy, even in a public place, is worth the benafits.
I watched a 60 minutes report with hidden cameras going into the London stations a while back. THe camera operators sat around checking out womens breats more than looking for any real crime - and yes those cams can zoom right down into their shirts! I was quite amazed. Anyway, maybe this is part of the problem?
Oh - I forgot - they did help on crime. Statistically, they cut down on people loitering, particulary youths. Violent crime actually went up where cameras were most present and did nothing to counter it.
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gordonmull
09-21-07, 04:24 PM
Some years ago now I spent some time living in a particularly rough area in Glasgow and had a knife put to my throat in the middle of the afternoon for cash. My mate legged it and called the cops. They caught the guy because there were cameras up and he was known to them.
Still didn't stop me crapping my pants. Point is, cameras don't prevent crimes, they only help catch people after they've committed them.
SUBMAN1
09-21-07, 04:41 PM
Some years ago now I spent some time living in a particularly rough area in Glasgow and had a knife put to my throat in the middle of the afternoon for cash. My mate legged it and called the cops. They caught the guy because there were cameras up and he was known to them.
Still didn't stop me crapping my pants. Point is, cameras don't prevent crimes, they only help catch people after they've committed them.
Thats the problem though - they are saying that they don't statistically. Since this guy is known to the cops, they would have caught him anyway.
Sorry to hear you had to deal with that.
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gordonmull
09-21-07, 05:24 PM
Freaked me out at the time but that was many moons ago now. They'd never have got him if the camera hadn't been there. i wouldn't have been able to describe him - I've got a bad memory at the best of times!
Point i was trying to make was that even if they did help catch people what good is that? The crime's already been committed. Just feel it's all getting out of hand, cameras everywhere. Some even talk to you now!!!
SUBMAN1
09-21-07, 05:29 PM
...Some even talk to you now!!!
Scary! :D
Coming to your home CCTV in every room that will stamp out rape and child abuse
along with domestic crime. ;)
Out of control kids (not all of them I stress) don't care about being seen on CCTV in fact they love it as they break in to cars smash things up and why because the law is soft thats why. I have seen plenty of programs showing CCTV footage and they don't give a toss at all. CCTV will never stop crime nor will it prevent crime, we need more police on our streets and no more red tape and mountains of paper work to bog them down.
I'm not sure about police on the streets.
That does not tend to be a big deterrent and is not very cost effective.
I would rather see more police available for call-out then on street corners. Especially
because I live in the countryside. Sometimes we just can't get police cars out here
because they are all walking around the city tipping their caps.
Apart from police available for call-out, I suspect the solution lies in the problem and
not in the symptoms. Things like ensuring that young people can get steady jobs,
affordable housing and ways to fill their time through culture, sport and common
goals. Of course all this only helps with "casual" crime and not the deeply pre-
meditated.
*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?
*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?
Half sleep Letum, deleted by accident.
How do you like my cynical remark? Trouble is this may one day be fact, better not be in my life time.
*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?
Half sleep Letum, deleted by accident.
How do you like my cynical remark? Trouble is this may one day be fact, better not be in my life time.
Nothing infuriates me more than people who can't see what is wrong with things like that if you have "nothing to hide".
I heard on a phone in radio the other day that question was put to those who said the ID Card was a great idea and they wanted it, some said CCTV in the home would be a great idea.
Kapitan
09-21-07, 10:40 PM
Walk down oxford street on a busy day everyone is bashing into everyone else a camera isnt going to notice that one person stealing that ladys purse or that mans wallet its to jam packed and so easy to do.
SUBMAN1
09-22-07, 02:52 AM
I heard on a phone in radio the other day that question was put to those who said the ID Card was a great idea and they wanted it, some said CCTV in the home would be a great idea.
Crack smokers. Those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither.
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Walk down oxford street on a busy day everyone is bashing into everyone else a camera isnt going to notice that one person stealing that ladys purse or that mans wallet its to jam packed and so easy to do.
That reminds me of something I heard on the radio from a high ranking police office, it went something like this. "You got more chance of being arrested charged and convicted running down Oxford street in the nude that walking down the street lifting peoples bags and money."
SUBMAN1
09-22-07, 12:28 PM
Nothing infuriates me more than people who can't see what is wrong with things like that if you have "nothing to hide".
Man - you're making me spit tea with laughter! :rotfl: You are joking, right? I hope? Please tell me you are because as I type this, I am beginning to doubt! :o
If not, hope you got your leash on - the gov needs to walk its dog! :D
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Nothing infuriates me more than people who can't see what is wrong with things like that if you have "nothing to hide".
Man - you're making me spit tea with laughter! :rotfl: You are joking, right? I hope? Please tell me you are because as I type this, I am beginning to doubt! :o
If not, hope you got your leash on - the gov needs to walk its dog! :D
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No...I wasn't joking...I don't see what is so funny?
Enlighten me!
Just to be clear; I was referring to the "cynical remark" and not the post deletion.
SUBMAN1
09-22-07, 01:34 PM
No...I wasn't joking...I don't see what is so funny?
Enlighten me!
Just to be clear; I was referring to the "cynical remark" and not the post deletion.
What I gather is you are for in house cameras? That is what i got from it. Talk about the ultimate peeping tom!
Kapitan
09-22-07, 03:57 PM
next we will have to have express written permission to go for a ****e
No...I wasn't joking...I don't see what is so funny?
Enlighten me!
Just to be clear; I was referring to the "cynical remark" and not the post deletion.
What I gather is you are for in house cameras? That is what i got from it. Talk about the ultimate peeping tom!
Uhhh, I am 99% certain Letum's statement means he's against them.
No...I wasn't joking...I don't see what is so funny?
Enlighten me!
Just to be clear; I was referring to the "cynical remark" and not the post deletion.
What I gather is you are for in house cameras? That is what i got from it. Talk about the ultimate peeping tom!
Uhhh, I am 99% certain Letum's statement means he's against them.
^ Bingo!
Don't read faster than you can think Subman. ;)
The WosMan
09-22-07, 04:28 PM
The best way to prevent these crimes is to have an armed populace. If you're a decent, law-abiding, non-felon and you have had the proper safety courses you should be able to carry a concealed firearm to protect yourself. Too bad England has gone to all lengths to take the guns away from the population. Interesting how the crime rates continue to rise even though more and more anti-gun legislation is enforced.
Of course Letum is, but it could happen and we here and now must say we are not standing for this sort of suggestion and nuts to the ID Card that is the biometric card, why the hell this government thinks ID cards is the best idea since sliced bread is well you know how I feel on this one.
And we must remember hot on the heels of the ID card is the RFID which is being used now all over the world but as yet not on a mass population scale yet.
Back to CCTV we have far to many of them and there success rate in helping the law is low apart from one area which the motorist is sick of the speed camera but I better not go down that road as that s one big can of worms.
If they spend as much money on anti-speed campaigns (like the drink drive one in the 90s; TV ads, posters, etc.) as they did on speed cameras, then we wouldn't need the cameras anyway.
The best way to prevent these crimes is to have an armed populace[...]
Don't even think of starting that one!
Another civil gun topic is all we need!
gordonmull
09-22-07, 06:13 PM
ID scheme has to be the biggest waste of money dreamed up by the govt since the Milenium Dome. What's an RFID BTW?
EDIT Just searched it. The world is becoming a complicated place.
The WosMan
09-22-07, 10:28 PM
If they spend as much money on anti-speed campaigns (like the drink drive one in the 90s; TV ads, posters, etc.) as they did on speed cameras, then we wouldn't need the cameras anyway.
The best way to prevent these crimes is to have an armed populace[...]
Don't even think of starting that one!
Another civil gun topic is all we need!
Sure it is, debate is healthy. :rock:
XabbaRus
09-23-07, 06:37 AM
Um not when it comes to guns. They usually very quickly go the same way as muslim debates here.
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The Avon Lady
09-23-07, 08:44 AM
Of course Letum is, but it could happen and we here and now must say we are not standing for this sort of suggestion and nuts to the ID Card that is the biometric card, why the hell this government thinks ID cards is the best idea since sliced bread is well you know how I feel on this one.
Yes, it's the Daily Mail but they can't be making this all up from scratch:
France Has a New Kind of Genome Project (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/09/france-has-new-kind-of-genome-project.html)
I say you're all damned if you do and if you don't but even more so if you don't under Europe's present circumstances.
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