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[Legionarius]

Hi, I'm new to this game but am not new to sims in general. I do have some questions though, wich I was not able to find here.
-How do I load my external torpedos? It keeps giving the message "waiting in qeue to be loaded".
-I tried to install the patch 1.4 but it wouldn't work, it gives an error?
-Do neutral ships give away your position to the enemy?
-I will undoubtably have more questions in yhe future. :cool:

thx

[angst72]

-How do I load my external torpedos? It keeps giving the message "waiting in qeue to be loaded".

I'd very much like to know this too. Anyone?

-I tried to install the patch 1.4 but it wouldn't work, it gives an error?

Are you using the correct version of the patch? I.e. right language version, Direct2Drive/DVD patch?

-Do neutral ships give away your position to the enemy?

I don't think so, at least I haven't noticed them doing so. I think they do it when they're traveling in a convoy, but not otherwise.

-I will undoubtably have more questions in yhe future. :cool:

Fire away Kaleun! ;)

[Venatore]

Hi, I'm new to this game but am not new to sims in general. I do have some questions though, wich I was not able to find here.
-How do I load my external torpedos? It keeps giving the message "waiting in qeue to be loaded".
-I tried to install the patch 1.4 but it wouldn't work, it gives an error?
-Do neutral ships give away your position to the enemy?
-I will undoubtably have more questions in yhe future. :cool:

thx


How do I load my external torpedos ?
= ensure your not in silent running (the crew wont load them, too noisy and ensure your on the surface)

[danlisa]

Welcome to Subsim.:up:

Answers:

1) External torps will be loaded after the internal ones have finished. Make sure you are not in silent running and that your torpedo room has enough crew members. Also, make sure you drag the external torps into the internal reserve slots.

2) If you have just purchased the game, chances are that it's already patched to 1.4. Check by loading the game and looking in the bottom right corner of the main menu. It will say 1.4

3) Neutrals are just that. They will not radio your position or take evasive action if they spot you. Just don't sink them.;)

Carry on & come back if you need anything else.:up:

[angst72]

Welcome to Subsim.:up:

Answers:

1) External torps will be loaded after the internal ones have finished. Make sure you are not in silent running and that your torpedo room has enough crew members. Also, make sure you drag the external torps into the internal reserve slots.



Ok, that's what I didn't do! I'll try it tonight. Thanks!:up:

[Legionarius]

I found how to load them but what is the best tactic if a destroyer is circling overhead? I tried almost everything, including a full scale shootout:rock: , but keep getting myself killed.

[danlisa]

I found how to load them but what is the best tactic if a destroyer is circling overhead? I tried almost everything, including a full scale shootout:rock: , but keep getting myself killed.

Silent Running

Deep (150m+)

2-3kts

Frequent course changes.

[Legionarius]

So you mean going in the red on depth?
That will not work, I'm in the chanel, so dept about 40m max.

[danlisa]

Then keep you fingers crossed and travel @ 1kt making for deeper water while changing your course.

Oh, and in future:

Stay out of Der Kanal
:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Then keep you fingers crossed and travel @ 1kt making for deeper water while changing your course.

Oh, and in future:

Stay out of Der Kanal
:rotfl:


40 metres :o
Can I have your computer and your girlfriends telephone number :p

[Legionarius]

I just had to go in. Just as I passed, I spotted a convoy of 15 ships (mostly tankers and C2 and C3 cargo's), only protected by an armed trawler and a V&W destroyer. It was too sweet to let pass. But I didn't know the chanel was crawling with destroyers. :down:

By the way, I managed to shoot a torpedo right under the bow of the destroyer (who has shallow depth) to sink the tanker that was sailing after it. Repeat that!:sunny:

Is there a special tactic to sink ships with one torpedo? I keep needing 2 and already have so little.:x

[captain Guitar]

What Danlisa said! LOL

Seriously, you're in a world of hurt when you get cornered in shallow water like that. In my experience, the options depend in large part on how many DD's you have above you. If there's only one, you may be better off attempting to maneuver for a snap shot and trying to deal with the threat directly, as it were.

If there's more than one, or you're not feeling adventurous, then your only hope is the old sprint-and-drift strategy. Silent running at all times, 1 knot, maybe 2 knots MAX, and keep your ears peeled on the DDs. The minute you hear those props spin up as they start their depth charge run, set your rudder to hard starboard or port and keep your finger poised on the engine telegraph (if you were in deeper water you'd also want to set the depth meter for a new depth) ... wait for it ..... wait for it ..... when you hear the depth charges drop (and you will), ahead flank! Sprint for a bit while the charges are exploding, then all stop. Ideally the turbulence created by the charges will mask the noise you made while sprinting, and then the DDs will have to re-acquire you. And hopefully the charges didn't cause too much damage (you DID assign crew to damage control, right?) Then rinse and repeat.

Be prepared to sweat this process out for quite a while -- the DDs are very persistant!

Good hunting, and good luck. :up:

[Legionarius]

I had 5 above so I loaded a save. :-?

I also try to take out coastal merchants and such with the dek gun to save torpedo's. Does the AI take into account where exactly you hit the ship. And is there a way of knowing if you have hurt it enough to easily slip away and know that a few minutes later it will sink?

[Legionarius]

And the questions keep coming, sorry.:oops:

What is the renown counting? Does it look only to the amount of tons you have sunk? Or the number of ships? Or the type, or the method of sinking?

Also, what is the best safe depth for the torpedo's? For example for a ship with depth 7.2, I set them for 6m, but sometimes they just thump it and sink without doing damage. I know the deeper you hit him the more damage.

Can you also shoot a torpedo without having a solution? And will it then just shoot straight forward until it hits something or will it not arm?

[slow_n_ez]

Also, what is the best safe depth for the torpedo's? For example for a ship with depth 7.2, I set them for 6m, but sometimes they just thump it and sink without doing damage. I know the deeper you hit him the more damage.

Can you also shoot a torpedo without having a solution? And will it then just shoot straight forward until it hits something or will it not arm?


by default your torpedos are set for pistol ... I always set all of mine for impact when leaving port ... otherwise they will just bounce off the hull and sink .. a waste ...................

without a solution ... yes... if fired it'll just go straight from your tube... sometimes you'll get a lucky hit ...

edit : ... also the "thump" and sinking torpedos .... sometimes you have duds ( if you have that option set )

[captain Guitar]

You had five DDs above you in 40m of water?? :o Yeah, I'd say that would qualify as a tight spot!!

-- And the questions keep coming, sorry.:oops: --

Heck, that's the only way to learn!! I'm a newbie posting in here, but I've logged a fair amount of game time on SH3 and any number of other games. I can say without reservation that this is by FAR the friendliest, most knowledgeable board I've ever seen.

-- What is the renown counting? Does it look only to the amount of tons you have sunk? Or the number of ships? Or the type, or the method of sinking? --

I know it's tonnage for sure. You get a bonus (500 points, maybe?) for completing your assigned 24-hour grid patrol, and a major reduction for sinking a neutral. Not sure about whether there are any kickers for sinking a whole bunch of ships regardless of size (look out Grand Banks fishing fleet!).

-- Can you also shoot a torpedo without having a solution? And will it then just shoot straight forward until it hits something or will it not arm? --

You can most definitely shoot without a solution. On my very first patrol I managed to fire off not one but two torps by accident, by hitting the wrong key :oops: The crew got a little testy, wondering what idiot had taken over! Another time I fired blindly into the fog, having lost sight of a cargo ship I was attempting to track in the middle of a *^&$* hurricane, and managed to blow his props off!:rock: Torps arm during their run, regardless of solution. So you need to be sure to allow at least 300m of run, or else they won't arm and you'll get that lovely bouncing effect. And, as slow_n_ez says, if you have the dud option set, you'll definitely get your share of dud shots.

[Legionarius]

I concur that this is by far the friendliest and fastest board on gaming. Thanks everybody for the fast answers. No doubt I will keep asking. I am a realistic freak. I studied military history and geopolitical strategy and am an ex legionair, so I just want this sort of games. Another question. What the *** are those SS rounds? Just flares? Why would a U-boat need flares? It loves the dark. Also, is it of any use at all if I keep on sending my patrol and contact reports like a good boy? It just keeps getting me a "keep up the good work". I am now playing the campaign but hate to return home if I have a single torpedo or dek round left so I do patrols that are a horror for my crew. Just averted a mutiny for that matter. :shifty:
So Can I just go into a friendly port and reload?

[captain Guitar]

-- What the *** are those SS rounds? Just flares? Why would a U-boat need flares? It loves the dark. --

<shrugs> Never used them myself ...

-- Also, is it of any use at all if I keep on sending my patrol and contact reports like a good boy? It just keeps getting me a "keep up the good work". --

Not much good at all, other than immersion. Supposedly if you send a contact report in range of a Luftwaffe base, Goering's boys will wander out and try to steal your thunder by bombing your contact, but I haven't seen that myself. I never send contact reports.

-- So Can I just go into a friendly port and reload? --

There are a couple of options, assuming you're running GWX. If so, re-supply ships will appear in various neutral ports (Spanish ports, for example). Look for the names in blue inside of the ports. Just navigate close, hit escape and choose the docking option. You'll be able to refuel and rearm, but you can't do any upgrades. The other option is the milchcow supply subs, which will appear at various locations later in the war. They work the same way as the resupply ships, just out at sea. In either case, make sure you complete your assigned patrol area first, or else you won't get the renown bonus for the patrol completion.

[Jimbuna]

I concur that this is by far the friendliest and fastest board on gaming. Thanks everybody for the fast answers. No doubt I will keep asking. I am a realistic freak. I studied military history and geopolitical strategy and am an ex legionair, so I just want this sort of games. Another question. What the *** are those SS rounds? Just flares? Why would a U-boat need flares? It loves the dark. Also, is it of any use at all if I keep on sending my patrol and contact reports like a good boy? It just keeps getting me a "keep up the good work". I am now playing the campaign but hate to return home if I have a single torpedo or dek round left so I do patrols that are a horror for my crew. Just averted a mutiny for that matter. :shifty:
So Can I just go into a friendly port and reload?

In RL U-boats did not carry star shells....hence there are non in GWX.

Only report back to base when you are either out of eels (to get the 'return to base' message) or to report something you have come into contact with (sometimes, if you are close enough to one of your airbases, they will send an air attack).

Going into a friendly port will allow you to re-arm, repair and award medals, but not allow you to upgrade your equipment. Nor wull you receive renown for 'returning to base. Your next assigned patrol grid will also be 'null' unless your usinf SH3 Commander :arrgh!:

[slow_n_ez]

I am running GWX and have Star Shells .... never used any nor can I since when out of ammo it won't give me the choice to pick them ... but they are in the ammo screen ( 40 of them ) ............. I use to use them a long time ago to light up a ship in the dark so my deck gun crew could see better , but they still missed :-?

[Jimbuna]

What version of GWX are you using ? :hmm:

[looney]

There is a chart wich show where to hit a ship to get a 1 torpedo kill.

Just search for it here on the subsim site or google it.

I got it here on my pc but nowere to send it to.

[Jimbuna]

There is a chart wich show where to hit a ship to get a 1 torpedo kill.

Just search for it here on the subsim site or google it.

I got it here on my pc but nowere to send it to.

It's also available from my sig 'shipchart'.....it is however based on stock SH3

[slow_n_ez]

@ jimbuna ... I am running GWX version 1.3 ...... other observations include :

says " Initialzing " when loading now and not the " Not so long ago " as I was use to seeing when I first installed and used it ( my 2nd install - fresh ) ......................

Says " Enemy unit destroyed " and not the " she's going down " when sinking a ship

Enemy landing ships deck gunners say " Loose " just like my deck gunners ( traitors I think since they are speaking German ) ..............

Enemy destroyers, near land ,will run themself unto sub nets or even beach themself onto land for no apparent reason ( just patroling ) ........

But thats not the bad thing ... game has been running great until this moning when I loaded up to continue my carreer ( June 18th , 1940 9th patrol ) .... nothing added , nothing removed ( mods nor files or anything ) ... Now I am getting " dead by collision " in the middle of no-where ... like i hit a wall ....... I suspect , as I saw very briefly once , it said " Base changed to Lorient " and then we on the bottom with the death screen ....... I tried to request a transfer at base but it wasn't aviaible .....

I might have to un-install and start over .... not sure ...........

[Jimbuna]

Too many problems there for my liking :nope:
I'd strongly suggest you reinstall mate :yep:

1. Uninstall SH3 via Windows' "Add/Remove programs"
2. Open Windows Explorer and:
- *delete* the folder where you had installed SH3
- *delete* the \My Documents\SH3 folder
3. Reinstall SH3
4. If your SH3 did not come with patch v1.4b already included, install patch v1.4b. Ensure you install the patch that corresponds to your copy of SH3 (Download/DVD/EMEA/US)
5. OPTIONAL: Copy and paste this "clean" install as a backup to avoid the need to follow steps 1-3 if your game becomes corrupt in future
6.Download into the SAME folder GWX.exe and the five .bin files. While there grab the v1.03 patch
7. Run GWX.exe and follow the installation prompts
8. Run GWX103.exe and follow the installation prompts
9. SH3 COMMANDER USERS: Download the GWX 1.02+ Cfg files for SH3 Commander and unzip the contents DIRECTLY into your SH3 Commander\Cfg folder.

[slow_n_ez]

Too many problems there for my liking :nope:
I'd strongly suggest you reinstall mate :yep:

9. SH3 COMMANDER USERS: Download the GWX 1.02+ Cfg files for SH3 Commander and unzip the contents DIRECTLY into your SH3 Commander\Cfg folder.

Thanks.. I figured as much .. so re-installed ( 3rd time now ) .... and now have the not so long ago ... plus she's going down ..... having to start over is no big deal to me since I was only in mid 40's ( 6 -7 months of war ) .... so far I am still in mid patrol to get my carreer set right in the folder trees ..... when I get back to base I'll engerize the mods and such.......

I think I goofed up my game the first 2 times by not doing number 9 as you stated above since I do use the SH3 Commander ... I downloaded and added those cfg files to the commander program.... thanks for the reminder ...

[Jimbuna]

Your welcome mate...glad your sorted :up:

[Legionarius]

All the ships I've sank are marked in red, except the last one, which is marked in grey. Needless to say I am a bit worried for my renown. Have I shot innocents? It still says "enemy unit destroyed". Is there a way to see if you sank a neutral or something?

[Spruence M]

Surface and surrender. Learn the lesson.

BTW, you have to be surfaced to load external torpedoes.

[Legionarius]

yes, for the torps I know. But what do you mean with "learn the lesson"? It was a red box, so I enganged, only when it sank it turned grey. Go figure.:hmm:

[Jimbuna]

If you got the "shes going down" message, you should get the renown :up:

[Legionarius]

ok, thx. But it is still weird. None of you guys ever had a grey symbol?

[Jimbuna]

Yes....on occasion....it sometimes signifies that the vessel was sunk by means other than you ie: mines or weather....but not always :arrgh!:

[Brag]

I found how to load them but what is the best tactic if a destroyer is circling overhead? I tried almost everything, including a full scale shootout:rock: , but keep getting myself killed.

Take a look at my webbie. Lots of usefull stuff there. Welcome aboard! :D

[Spruence M]

yes, for the torps I know. But what do you mean with "learn the lesson"? It was a red box, so I enganged, only when it sank it turned grey. Go figure.:hmm:

OK. The post that I "Was" replying too, is no longer there...

[Legionarius]

If I am not running GWX, I cannot reload at ports? Is this correct? I'm playing the campaign and are arriving at hamburg but I don't get the reload option. :down: Also, how can I find the GWX patch? I found this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102096) but which one do I load?

[Spruence M]

you have to download all 5 of them.

undue all your mods

download the 5 .bin files, put them in your sh3 director

download gwx.exe put that in your directory and run it.

after installation is complete, download/run gwx.exe 1.03

that will update you to gwx 1.03

[Legionarius]

So I can't reload at ports without GWX?

[slow_n_ez]

yes .. you can ... just dock like your base ... you can't award medals or anything like that ..... you get fresh torpedo's and fuel and food ... continue your mission and then make your way back to your assigned base ..... once there you can award awards to your crew ......

[Jimbuna]

yes .. you can ... just dock like your base ... you can't award medals or anything like that ..... you get fresh torpedo's and fuel and food ... continue your mission and then make your way back to your assigned base ..... once there you can award awards to your crew ......

The only option you can't carry out is the upgrading of equipment....awarding medals is allowed :yep:

[danlisa]

yes .. you can ... just dock like your base ... you can't award medals or anything like that ..... you get fresh torpedo's and fuel and food ... continue your mission and then make your way back to your assigned base ..... once there you can award awards to your crew ......
When you dock at any other port outside of you home port, you can:

AWARD MEDALS
REPAIR YOUR BOAT
RECEIVE TORPS, FUEL & AMMO

You cannot:

UPGRADE YOUR BOAT.

When you are docked at an 'away' port you get the renown gathered so far.:up:

[slow_n_ez]

MAN ! All this time I just thought I got re-stock and repairs .. didn't know I could award the medals at that time .... only have docked 2 times at different ports mostly just for hull repairs so I could make it home again ......:oops:

[Jimbuna]

MAN ! All this time I just thought I got re-stock and repairs .. didn't know I could award the medals at that time .... only have docked 2 times at different ports mostly just for hull repairs so I could make it home again ......:oops:

No prob matey :up:

[Legionarius]

The renown that you didn't lose is lost? Only if you dock at other ports then, because normally it just accumulates, no?
And I can't install the GWX, it gives an error message.

[Jimbuna]

The renown that you didn't lose is lost? Only if you dock at other ports then, because normally it just accumulates, no?
And I can't install the GWX, it gives an error message.

1. Uninstall SH3 via Windows' "Add/Remove programs"
2. Open Windows Explorer and:
- *delete* the folder where you had installed SH3
- *delete* the \My Documents\SH3 folder
3. Reinstall SH3
4. If your SH3 did not come with patch v1.4b already included, install patch v1.4b. Ensure you install the patch that corresponds to your copy of SH3 (Download/DVD/EMEA/US)
5. OPTIONAL: Copy and paste this "clean" install as a backup to avoid the need to follow steps 1-3 if your game becomes corrupt in future
6.Download into the SAME folder GWX.exe and the five .bin files. While there grab the v1.03 patch
7. Run GWX.exe and follow the installation prompts
8. Run GWX103.exe and follow the installation prompts
9. SH3 COMMANDER USERS: Download the GWX 1.02+ Cfg files for SH3 Commander and unzip the contents DIRECTLY into your SH3 Commander\Cfg folder.