A message from Kapitan_Phillips

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Listen people. I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time I've been gone. Now I've had a perfectly acceptable reason for being absent, I've been in America for the the first time in my life, specifically, Barnesville Georgia. I met the Subsim angel, Frau_Phillips.

But you know what? I'm back. And I wont stand for whats going on in Subsim right now. I see neo-Nazism for crying out loud. Its time to stop. I might not hold Moderator status, I might not hold much sway in this community, but damnit I'm making this pledge to all of you.

I'm here to maintain an absolutley hilarious environment. There will NOT be one day where I will go without bringing you people some form of giggle, that I promise.

Sermon over. This is Subsim, and I'm going to defend it to the end.

[Hakahura]

Good Message!

The sentiments of which should be the number one sticky!

[SUBMAN1]

I don't think anyone was being serious, but I guess some people took it seriously.

-S

[Tchocky]

He's been talking to the angel, we'd better do what he says :)

[Skybird]

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.

[joea]

Right on Kaptain Phillips. You're one of the decent valued members here. :up:

[sunvalleyslim]

I'm with you there Kaptain Phillips................:up::up::up:

[Bort]

I find that all of the hostility in here recently has lead to me frequenting this forum less and less, and that I hate. Make it better, guys. :up:

[Seth8530]

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.

I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!

[August]

I hate nazis, and i will not be civil to them.

[Oberon]

Sermon over. This is Subsim, and I'm going to defend it to the end.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9843/thisissubsimsg9.jpg

[I-25]

well said kapitan_phillips Very well said indeed. tough i must say that pro-nazi's aint the only radicals around here :cry:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.
I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!

There is a very big difference between using National Socialism to prove a point and saying things like "Re-open Auschwitz". Thats what I'm talking about, that kind of horsesh** that gives forums a bad name.

[Skybird]

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.

I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!
You probably also disagree with German laws then to ban Hitler's Mein Kampf, or putting denial of the Holocaust under legal penalty (prison up to 3 or 5 years, I do not remember exactly). Well, I frankly admit that my understanding of free speech knows limits. You are approaching these boundaries when you talk in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, call for murder and genocide, and you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda. That's how I see it. And I do not welcome the slow and silent reactions by the mods. I would have expected them to openly brandmark the Nazi comments and their authors.

Free speech can be abused. And I do not see why that should go unopposed.

In reference to Kapitan Phillips latest reply I want to point out that it is not only about Nazi comments, we recently had some debate about China and some very dirty remarks in there, too, minimizing genocide and mass murder. The same person giving these comments already had repeatedly been warned by both Takeda and Neal just short time before, and in the weeks before was identified by several board members of being a Nazi trouble maker in other places as well.

you just cant walk around and say things like "Reopen Auschwitz", minimize the Nazis by saying "they only fight for their land and soil", and saying a country (Tibet) that fell victim to genocide and saw over 1 million murdered is "being better off" under rule of the murderers. And it does not serve a forum's reputation too well if such comments and such audience are tolerated. Becasue these comments are highly specific, whereas we often have discussions of critical things and hot issues that are tolerated as long as certain things are thought over on an abstract, non- specific level.

[Seth8530]

[quote=Skybird] be arrested and face court.

You probably also disagree with German laws then to ban Hitler's Mein Kampf, or putting denial of the Holocaust under legal penalty (prison up to 3 or 5 years, I do not remember exactly). Well, I frankly admit that my understanding of free speech knows limits. You are approaching these boundaries when you talk in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, call for murder and genocide, and you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda. That's how I see it. And I do not welcome the slow and silent reactions by the mods. I would have expected them to openly brandmark the Nazi comments and their authors.

Free speech can be abused. And I do not see why that should go unopposed..

I believe in free speach( no matter how stupid you make yourself look) and I believe that Mien Kampf should be available to purchase ( God help whoever believes what in their) Also i take offence to your comment about me "spreading Nazi propaganda" The Big problem with both Communism and National Socailism is that they are un-realistic goverments. Sure they may work for a while but the world aint perfect and these goverments curroupt very easily in our very un-perfect world. (as my spelling shows) My point is these are great govs on paper but when put into action can cause terrible things such as the hollocaust, or a lot of the crimes the commies did. Pleased ont take me wrong i am not a nazi.

[joea]

Skybird was not talking about you spreading Nazi propaganda buddy.

[Skybird]

Skybird was not talking about you spreading Nazi propaganda buddy.
That's 100% correct.

;)

Assuming that you refer to this:
You are approaching these boundaries when you talk in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, call for murder and genocide, and you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

please readit in context, in the meaning of this:

One is approaching these boundaries when one talks in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, calls for murder and genocide, and one has already overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

[Seth8530]

Argh clevery worderd man. but what about the last part?

you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

Have i misread it? I don't want to start a flame fest with ya man. But if no offence intended and you arn't acusing me of spreading nazism im cool then.

[joea]

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you

In English grammar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar), generic you or indefinite you is the use of the pronoun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoun) you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You) to refer to an unspecified person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name). Generic one is the use of one in the same way.

Which was the case here. :know:

[Skybird]

but what about the last part?

you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

Have i misread it?

Pardon...?

please readit in context, in the meaning of this:

One is approaching these boundaries when one talks in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, calls for murder and genocide, and one has already overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

Maybe I am fooled by my inappropriate knowledge of English language. In German, the use of "man" (man tut dies, man sagt jenes) is in widespread use, but my impression was that the english pendant of saying "one is doing" instead of "you are doing" is only rarely used, even if the context in which the latter is used is meant to be non-person-specific, and generalised - not wanting to say the adressed person is directly and exclusively meant. If that is what made you angry, I apologize. It's foreign language for me, after all.

[Dmitry Markov]

Yes indeed it's very dangerous to say something like "There was something reasonable in National-Sozialism despite them killing jews and russians". Because such things can pull a person to a thoughts like "I see no evil in mass murders because they are dictated by good aims". We have a very good documentary film shot in 1965 by famous Soviet director Mikhail Romm. It is called "Ordinary Fascism" and has nothing to do with communism propaganda as somebody may think seeing definition "Soviet" near the director's name. It "aims tyranny and despothism in any form it may take". The main thought of the film is that "fascism is a tendence to solve complex problems with simple methods" or "when aim justifies measures". I recommend to use this sentences as a lacmus paper considering one's own thoughts, sentences and deeds. So when one is starting to act like this - he (or she) is closing a dangerous border. IMHO of course. And I highly recommend to watch this film if it is available outside Russia.
Romm's filmography http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0739677/maindetails


Best Regards

[Skybird]

Here in germany a well-known TV moderator, a woman, had written a books encouraging females to centre more on the traditonal mother-role again in order to help curing the institution of the family as the most vital social cell of national communities, instead of focussing on holidays, careers, and fun in life that much. Of course she raised all feminists aginst her, the political left anyway. On a promoting event she did something silly, she looked back to the role of the family during the Nazi era and how family and the role of the mother as centre of the family was supported, and pushed by national policies, and concluded in public that these things obviously were working well concenring helping to protect and encourage the traditional family. I dont like her, but in no way she is a Nazi and wanted to defend Nazism, of this I am absolutely sure, but by the way in which she put it she stepped on dozens of alert wires immediately and - was fired by her TV station, cursed, and threatened with legal cases now.

It was an over-sensitive reaction by the public, I think, but it illustrates how easily you can find yourself between all chairs when touching sensitive issues and do not take enoiugh care to make it clear and unmistakable how you mean what you say. She should have handled that detail with much greater care in expression, and paying more attention to the sensitive context.

[August]

The nazis gave my grandmother a actual medal for having children.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

The nazis gave my grandmother a actual medal for having children.


We give em welfare checks ;)

Kinda like a medal only it comes outta my pocket.

[Dmitry Markov]

But there is another danger - being a Nazi (or tyrannist) doesn't mean being stupid. And in my opinion the most dangerous persons are not those 'gopniks' with bold heads and black jackets or people who saying something openly Nazi-like - no, the most dangerous ones are those clever ones who little by little convincing the other people think in their way not by saying 'Nazism is good' but by assuming that there were some reasonable things in it and then coming to allowing neo-nazis 'to have a right to express their opinion' and than to allow neo-nazis parties to come to power.

By the way I think that 'Harry Potter' after all is a very good anti-fascist book. And it shows how can fascists come to power (especially "Order of Phoenix" one) and how easy it is to form any kind of public opinion.

Best Regards!

[bradclark1]

I think who y'all are talking about is just some young kid who is pro nazi, pro communist or pro anything that's considered wrong to get him noticed on a forum. Thats why I ignore everything he says. If everyone did that the smell will eventually go away.

[Skybird]

By the way I think that 'Harry Potter' after all is a very good anti-fascist book. And it shows how can fascists come to power (especially "Order of Phoenix" one) and how easy it is to form any kind of public opinion.

I wonder if there is a link between this and the fact that the Catholic church is so very much in opposition to the Potter books and would not reject if they get banned. :lol:

[geetrue]

I think you missed the big fight between shybyrd or is it slybyrd, no wait a minute it's skybird and wastegate a few months back ...

Neal won of course and now wastegate is in the brig (not from that flame war, but another one).

You will have to do a search of all closed threads, because I'm not going to bring that subject up again, no siree not me.

I don't peel spuds ... well once maybe when Sharkey got mad at me, but that was only once.

Keep them laughing Kaptin and if you have any secrets about your angel in Georgia you want to tell ... just PM me so I can give you some pointers. :cool:

[August]

The nazis gave my grandmother a actual medal for having children.

We give em welfare checks ;)

Kinda like a medal only it comes outta my pocket.

Just because someone has a lot of children it don't mean they're on welfare Phil.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

further i have always respected ppl here and i always will :up: -> (some might say otherwise)
were one giant family. dont let it get ruined

edit: *further info wich was here is cencored*

[Kapitan]

Wrong post

[Kapitan_Phillips]

The nazis gave my grandmother a actual medal for having children.

We give em welfare checks ;)

Kinda like a medal only it comes outta my pocket.
Just because someone has a lot of children it don't mean they're on welfare Phil.


I know, August. I was jus' kidding around a little bit :up:

[Packerton]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9843/thisissubsimsg9.jpg

That is all I have to say. :up:

[Camaero]

I like how a message about lightening things up turns into debate about Nazis! Actually, that is kind of funny. Good work Kapitan!

[Jimbuna]

I like how a message about lightening things up turns into debate about Nazis! Actually, that is kind of funny. Good work Kapitan!

DITTO...pass me some more http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7208/partypiratesve7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

see these.
and joea. after that you may call me a ---- lover again. if you still feel to do that is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsE5Q8nke9k&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhN6CG1zCRc&mode=related&search=

[Spruence M]

I believe in free speech. I believe that all humans have certain inailable rights.





I do not believe that Nazis are humans, and therefore do not deserve these rights.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

I do not believe that Nazis are humans, and therefore do not deserve these rights.
then you migh aswell start believing your a monkey.

the ----'s arnt entirely all germans. in fact. half of germany was half jewish half german, so were the soldiers.they had to fight while knowing theyre family's were killed in the ------------- camps.
but think about it. who came up with the idea ?
hitler ? no
Himmler ? also a no
i wonder who :hmm:

il give a tip.
who payed hitler :hmm:

edit: this guy is realy good. here dude. have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStcajxvb_E
and then judge again about nazi's

[joea]

Mohr, did Pat Condell say to put Muslims in gas chambers?? Yes or no.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Mohr, did Pat Condell say to put Muslims in gas chambers?? Yes or no.
nope.
did i ?

(note: by showing the main gate of --------- i specialy meanth the words. else i showed the --- chambers)

[Takeda Shingen]

A few words about the freedom of speech:

Freedom of speech is lovely. In fact, it is very lovely. However, this is a private internet forum. Your ideas of topical selection as it pertains to freedom of speech may be in opposition to the wishes of the forum owner and administrator as it pertains to the type of forum that he wishes to run. In short, type what you like, but be prepared to censor yourself when asked.

The Management

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i do cencor myselve when asked. but so far it didnt happen :yep:

[Takeda Shingen]

i do cencor myselve when asked. but so far it didnt happen :yep:

Then consider yourself asked.

The Management

[Happy Times]

Yes indeed it's very dangerous to say something like "There was something reasonable in National-Sozialism despite them killing jews and russians". Because such things can pull a person to a thoughts like "I see no evil in mass murders because they are dictated by good aims". We have a very good documentary film shot in 1965 by famous Soviet director Mikhail Romm. It is called "Ordinary Fascism" and has nothing to do with communism propaganda as somebody may think seeing definition "Soviet" near the director's name. It "aims tyranny and despothism in any form it may take". The main thought of the film is that "fascism is a tendence to solve complex problems with simple methods" or "when aim justifies measures". I recommend to use this sentences as a lacmus paper considering one's own thoughts, sentences and deeds. So when one is starting to act like this - he (or she) is closing a dangerous border. IMHO of course. And I highly recommend to watch this film if it is available outside Russia.
Romm's filmography http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0739677/maindetails


Best Regards

I recommend this film also for everyone.

Sophie Scholl – The Final Days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl_-_The_Final_Days

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Sophie_Scholl_The_Final_Days_film.jpg/415px-Sophie_Scholl_The_Final_Days_film.jpg

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i do cencor myselve when asked. but so far it didnt happen :yep:
Then consider yourself asked.

The Management

JAWOHL! ;)

[Happy Times]

edit: might be interesting for other to know (but can also kill me. but i take that possibility),
i have been trained as a nazi soldier by my dad (who was a Wehrmacht soldier, and i hate him for that)
i have won the fight against that nazi 4 years ago. but i still doubt he's fully dead.
its hard to live with a past like that... but im doing my best to change that.

You are 19? How old is your daddy? And if you have been training in you backyard, i hope you understand that you might as well play paintball..

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

And if you have been training in you backyard, i hope you understand that you might as well play paintball..

paintball... juk.
i prefer a real gun with real bullets and practice on my dad :arrgh!:

[Happy Times]

And if you have been training in you backyard, i hope you understand that you might as well play paintball..

paintball... juk.
i prefer a real gun with real bullets and practice on my dad :arrgh!:

Good idea, you can use him as a target.

[Skybird]

I recommend this film also for everyone.

Sophie Scholl – The Final Days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl_-_The_Final_Days


Great movie! Very intimate and impressive. Moving, without being kitschig or sentimental. It followed me in my mind for several days.

[August]

I know, August. I was jus' kidding around a little bit :up:

Sorry, it's been 2 weeks and 6 days since my last cigarette. My sense of humor is pretty much non existant at this point. :oops:

[Spruence M]

.....the ----'s arnt entirely all germans. in fact....


I know they are not all Germans. I am very well aware of it, years ago there was a Neo-Nazi organization in my middle school, also in the Dakota states its popular. I don't care who they are, or where they are from.

[Iceman]

Sermon over. This is Subsim, and I'm going to defend it to the end.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9843/thisissubsimsg9.jpg

lol :)

[Venatore]

I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time

Moderators, I hope you have seen this ?

[Venatore]

I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time

Execute one, educate a thousand !

I totally agree.

Regards

A very concerned Venatore.

[The Munster]

I think who y'all are talking about is just some young kid who is pro nazi, pro communist or pro anything that's considered wrong to get him noticed on a forum. Thats why I ignore everything he says. If everyone did that the smell will eventually go away.

Same here, I don't entertain these kind of people; didn't even want to post in this thread but you wrote what I thought so there you go .. couldn't resist agreeing with you.
Look at this thread now ? .. What started off as a positive venture from Kapitan Phillips has ended up on a slippery slope.
It's just a matter of time before this thread is locked at the rate it's going and that should be telling you something.

[kiwi_2005]

I recommend this film also for everyone.

Sophie Scholl – The Final Days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl_-_The_Final_Days

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Sophie_Scholl_The_Final_Days_film.jpg/415px-Sophie_Scholl_The_Final_Days_film.jpg

Thanks thats one added to my must watch list.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

I think who y'all are talking about is just some young kid who is pro nazi, pro communist or pro anything that's considered wrong to get him noticed on a forum. Thats why I ignore everything he says. If everyone did that the smell will eventually go away.
Same here, I don't entertain these kind of people; didn't even want to post in this thread but you wrote what I thought so there you go .. couldn't resist agreeing with you.
Look at this thread now ? .. What started off as a positive venture from Kapitan Phillips has ended up on a slippery slope.
It's just a matter of time before this thread is locked at the rate it's going and that should be telling you something.
then again. wich thread isnt ? :hmm:
it starts all normal and ends up terrible :nope:

ofcourse there are some exeptions here and there

[joea]

Mohr, did Pat Condell say to put Muslims in gas chambers?? Yes or no.
nope.
did i ?

(note: by showing the main gate of --------- i specialy meanth the words. else i showed the --- chambers)

Nice twist, did Pat say to reopen Auschwitz or what does he want to do with muslims?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I can pretty much put a full stop on this thread here and save the mods some work, so here we go.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5483/subsimthreadvy8.jpg

[HunterICX]

:rotfl: Cant help myself but, that really made me laugh in tears here...
thats a good schedule Kpt.Phillips:up: :lol:

[Takeda Shingen]

I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time

Moderators, I hope you have seen this ?

Since you have posted this on GT, I will assume that you are addressing me. In this regard, I think that if you look at overall trend on this forum over the past two months, you will find that the amount of flamebaiting and overt hostility has been dramatically reduced. Aside from a few with some extreme views, which you will always have when dealing with a member base as large as we have here, I think that GT has become a much better place for everyone.

In terms of extremism and it's presence on the forum: The best way to 'help' the moderators is to report the post and not to engage the poster. Attacking the poster gives potential justification to to his or her otherwise unjustifiable remarks. The individual in question can then rightly claim that he or she was responding to attacks. Furthermore, it prolongs the discussion, which is the ultimate goal of the 'engagee'. Although gratifying to the 'engager', the act of retaliation is not at all helpful, and makes it far more difficult to remove the 'engagee'. Furthermore, a dogpile by a series of members only serves to drive the original offender into a more subdued membership, which forces the moderators to sit and wait for the problem to flare up again before being able to take action. This usually results more dramatic action by the original poster, which is bad for everyone.

The Management

[Seth8530]

but what about the last part?

you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

Have i misread it?
Pardon...?

please readit in context, in the meaning of this:

One is approaching these boundaries when one talks in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, calls for murder and genocide, and one has already overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda.

Maybe I am fooled by my inappropriate knowledge of English language. In German, the use of "man" (man tut dies, man sagt jenes) is in widespread use, but my impression was that the english pendant of saying "one is doing" instead of "you are doing" is only rarely used, even if the context in which the latter is used is meant to be non-person-specific, and generalised - not wanting to say the adressed person is directly and exclusively meant. If that is what made you angry, I apologize. It's foreign language for me, after all.

No problem we are cool

[Seth8530]

A few words about the freedom of speech:

Freedom of speech is lovely. In fact, it is very lovely. However, this is a private internet forum. Your ideas of topical selection as it pertains to freedom of speech may be in opposition to the wishes of the forum owner and administrator as it pertains to the type of forum that he wishes to run. In short, type what you like, but be prepared to censor yourself when asked.

The Management

Sorry for double post and i am aware of that Im just saying that it kinda defeats the purpuse not having freedom of speach.

[Takeda Shingen]

A few words about the freedom of speech:

Freedom of speech is lovely. In fact, it is very lovely. However, this is a private internet forum. Your ideas of topical selection as it pertains to freedom of speech may be in opposition to the wishes of the forum owner and administrator as it pertains to the type of forum that he wishes to run. In short, type what you like, but be prepared to censor yourself when asked.

The Management

Sorry for double post and i am aware of that Im just saying that it kinda defeats the purpuse not having freedom of speach.

That is because you do not have absolute freedom of speech on a private forum. The man who pays the bills gets to make the rules. If he does not want you to talk about eggplant, then you must either comply or not post. Very simple.

[Venatore]

I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time

Moderators, I hope you have seen this ?
Since you have posted this on GT, I will assume that you are addressing me. In this regard, I think that if you look at overall trend on this forum over the past two months, you will find that the amount of flamebaiting and overt hostility has been dramatically reduced. Aside from a few with some extreme views, which you will always have when dealing with a member base as large as we have here, I think that GT has become a much better place for everyone.

In terms of extremism and it's presence on the forum: The best way to 'help' the moderators is to report the post and not to engage the poster. Attacking the poster gives potential justification to to his or her otherwise unjustifiable remarks. The individual in question can then rightly claim that he or she was responding to attacks. Furthermore, it prolongs the discussion, which is the ultimate goal of the 'engagee'. Although gratifying to the 'engager', the act of retaliation is not at all helpful, and makes it far more difficult to remove the 'engagee'. Furthermore, a dogpile by a series of members only serves to drive the original offender into a more subdued membership, which forces the moderators to sit and wait for the problem to flare up again before being able to take action. This usually results more dramatic action by the original poster, which is bad for everyone.

The Management

Acknowledged.

[Spruence M]

I can pretty much put a full stop on this thread here and save the mods some work, so here we go.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5483/subsimthreadvy8.jpg

Priceless :up:

[Oberon]

Well said Kapt Phil!! :up:

Should get it put into the forum rules! :D

[Jimbuna]

Mohr, did Pat Condell say to put Muslims in gas chambers?? Yes or no.
nope.
did i ?

(note: by showing the main gate of --------- i specialy meanth the words. else i showed the --- chambers)

Nice twist, did Pat say to reopen Auschwitz or what does he want to do with muslims?

Your wasting your breath mate.....he's addicted to luncheon meat :yep:

@Kapitan_Phillips

Very well put sir...~Salute~ :up:

[geetrue]

I think who y'all are talking about is just some young kid who is pro nazi, pro communist or pro anything that's considered wrong to get him noticed on a forum. Thats why I ignore everything he says. If everyone did that the smell will eventually go away.

Same here, I don't entertain these kind of people; didn't even want to post in this thread but you wrote what I thought so there you go .. couldn't resist agreeing with you.
Look at this thread now ? .. What started off as a positive venture from Kapitan Phillips has ended up on a slippery slope.
It's just a matter of time before this thread is locked at the rate it's going and that should be telling you something.:yep: :yep: :yep:

[Seth8530]

A few words about the freedom of speech:

Freedom of speech is lovely. In fact, it is very lovely. However, this is a private internet forum. Your ideas of topical selection as it pertains to freedom of speech may be in opposition to the wishes of the forum owner and administrator as it pertains to the type of forum that he wishes to run. In short, type what you like, but be prepared to censor yourself when asked.

The Management
Sorry for double post and i am aware of that Im just saying that it kinda defeats the purpuse not having freedom of speach.
That is because you do not have absolute freedom of speech on a private forum. The man who pays the bills gets to make the rules. If he does not want you to talk about eggplant, then you must either comply or not post. Very simple.

I am very aware of that. Its like a club you can invite in people you like and invite out people you dont becuse its his server. or he is paying for it.