HD DVD now is bigger than Blu-Ray - 51 GB

[SUBMAN1]

Blu-Ray can't compete with HD DVD as a spec. This is the final straw that should break Blu-Ray's back - blu-ray not only can't do all the disc features that can be done with an HD DVD player (An HD DVD player even hase a Pentium 4 inside and 1 GB of RAM!), it now is the smaller format of the two!

THis new HD DVD has tripple layers. It has 1 layer so that it is backwards compatible with normal DVD players so an HD DVD will work in a standard DVD player (Blu-Ray only works on a Blu-Ray players - nothing else), and then it has 2 layers like Blu-Ray for storage capacity - which tells me a standard HD DVD layer is slightly bigger than a Blu-Ray layer.

http://www.screendigest.com/online_services/intelligence/video_and_dvd/updates/vi-060907-ec3/show

[Letum]

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[SUBMAN1]

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No doubt. I don't like Sony anyway, so I doubt I own any stock in them unless it was bought with a managed fund or something.

Let's look at the advantages of the two formats now:

HD DVD:

1. HD DVD includes a Pentium 4 inside the player with 1 GB RAM, and multiple MPEG decoders to allow multi angle action at the same time – Blu-Ray can’t do this – they only ship with 1 decoder. You've seen some of the other things it can do like repainting cars and replaying the scenes in that one movie as examples of what you can do. Blu-Ray – you get to watch a movie – that’s it.

2. Less copyprotection on HD DVD – Blu-Ray is much stronger copyprotection which means you can’t rip your fav scenes or make backups on Blu-Ray as easily, and in the future, maybe not at all.

3. HD DVD now has more storage capacity than Blu-Ray

4. HD DVD is backwards compatible with standard DVD players so you can watch an HD DVD disc in my Rotel standard DVD player if you want – it just won’t have the quality. Blu-Ray discs only work in Blu-Ray players – nothing else. Why would you want to be format locked anyway???

5. HD DVD is cheaper to manufacture resulting in cheaper movies when purchased. The HD DVD can be pressed on standard DVD pressing equipment that is found in any mass production house with only some minor changes. No new hardware needs to be purchased for a pressing house - possibly resulting in movies costing about as much as cheap DVD we buy today.


Blu-Ray:

1. None - Capacity used to be its main advantage, but that is no longer an issue. There are only disadvantages for Blu-Ray now.

-S

[danlisa]

These firms are just trying to outdo each other in a tit-for-tat next gen war.

What about the 100GB Blu-Ray? This was announced nearly 1yr ago.http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061019-8032.html

Also, apparently, a 200GB disc is in production.

Google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=100gb+blu-ray&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a) is your friend.

The only aspect that will decide the outcome of this disc war will be the porn studios. Sad but true, whoever they side with will win out.

EDIT - Point 5 from the above post.

HD DVD are no longer cheaper to manufacture if they are using 3 layers. Also, what they are not telling you is that due to the 3 layer functionality, the discs are easier to damage preventing either storage layer releasing it's data. You might enjoy this link - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=97555&highlight=51GB

[SUBMAN1]

These firms are just trying to outdo each other in a tit-for-tat next gen war.

What about the 100GB Blu-Ray? This was announced nearly 1yr ago.http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061019-8032.html

Also, apparently, a 200GB disc is in production.

Google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=100gb+blu-ray&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a) is your friend.

The only aspect that will decide the outcome of this disc war will be the porn studios. Sad but true, whoever they side with will win out.

EDIT - Point 5 from the above post.

HD DVD are no longer cheaper to manufacture if they are using 3 layers. Also, what they are not telling you is that due to the 3 layer functionality, the discs are easier to damage preventing either storage layer releasing it's data. You might enjoy this link - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=97555&highlight=51GB

HD DVD can go up there as well and they have annouced plans to go there, but I don't buy it till I see a written spec set for production. Until that happens, all you have in that thread is a bunch of PS3 fanboys talking about vaporware.

-S

[bookworm_020]

I'll wait till the dust settles before I buy either the HD or the Blue ray (whoever wins).

I will make sure any upgrade I do to our home entertainment sytem will be able to take High def, what ever form it will take.:rock:

[The WosMan]

Has anyone considered that both formats are pretty much irrelevant? Most consumers don't have the disposable income, the interest, the need, or the televisions to even watch these formats. I personally believe that optical media will go the way of the dinosaur in the future thanks to technological gains in wireless technology, internet speeds, and streaming. Tech like the DVR is the way of the future.

[Etienne]

Just like logistics, not tactics, win real wars, marketing, not specs, win format wars.

Sony has a pretty big marketing machine. I don't think they're out of the race yet.

[goldorak]

Well as far as I'm concerned hd-dvd is my format of choice.
I will not accept another artifical limitation by regional coding.
Just wait till Warner goes hd-dvd exclusive again and it will be game over for the blue side.

[SUBMAN1]

Has anyone considered that both formats are pretty much irrelevant? Most consumers don't have the disposable income, the interest, the need, or the televisions to even watch these formats. I personally believe that optical media will go the way of the dinosaur in the future thanks to technological gains in wireless technology, internet speeds, and streaming. Tech like the DVR is the way of the future.

Most people I know do have the disposible income, interest, need, and televisions to watch these formats, so I disagree with that assesment.

Wireless media is already avail from Netflix and like any wireless media, it sucks because of massive compression. THe restrictions that come along with wireless media is also something I will never endorse because all a sudden they can control what and how you watch - watched once already? Well, that means you used up all your views and can't watch it again! Sorry - I don't need a control whip above my head with someone messing with my usage rights. I will avoid all wireless tech on movie delivery for as long as I can.

-S