Simple Question: VIIB or VIIC

[BelegDraug]

Ahoy, Kaleuns! I'm in Mid '40, with my pretty VIIB and now, BdU offers me the brand new VIIC... What do you think I should do? Stick with my ol' boote, or change it for a brand new class? THX A LOT!!!

[Penelope_Grey]

VIIC far more choice for upgrades.

[StarFox]

i ran the Type VIIB U-46 until about late 1940, then I upgraded to the U-471 Type VIIC after that. there is not much of a difference at first, but later on the type VIIC has far more upgrades then the Type VIIB does

[mowgli99]

I really dont know why but I likethe VIIc by far. I think it is because i like the letter c but i honestly dont know why.

[Hakahura]

Change Flotilla and invest in a Type IX.
If you're going to upgrade do something radical.




Well as radical as Bdu will allow.

[XLjedi]

VIIC :up:

More goodies...
Dives faster...

The speed differential is a non-issue.

[Morts]

VIIC:up:

[skookum]

VIIC:rock:

---Dives faster

---Looks cooler

---More stuff

[Canovaro]

VIIc bu wait till it's cheaper!

[3Jane]

Save up your fairy points for a IXB

[melnibonian]

I'm more of a IX type guy, so I tend to keep my VIIB until the IXC becomes operational. Nevertheless as Penny said the Type VIIC has loads more upgrades than the VIIB so if you want to stick with a Type VII I recomend it.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

IXb ALL THE WAY :rock: (look my siggy ;))

[Huskalar]

VIIB. Well, at least until I can get a type IX.

[TarJak]

Whatever floats your boat. Why not both?:arrgh!:

[Penelope_Grey]

VIIc bu wait till it's cheaper!

VIIC's do not reduce in price like the IX's do... unless you alter your basic file yourself...:hmm::up:

[slow_n_ez]

I am in mid 40's also and using the VIIB .... If I remember right ( along with everyone's elses imput ) The VII C has 3 external torpedos for the forward compartment plus 2 externals for the stern ? ........ been a while since I last played so I have to learn all over again .......

[3Jane]

I am in mid 40's also and using the VIIB .... If I remember right ( along with everyone's elses imput ) The VII C has 3 external torpedos for the forward compartment plus 2 externals for the stern ? ........ been a while since I last played so I have to learn all over again .......
I think it was 3 externals, two foreward and one stern. It's only been a month since I bought the IXB but I can't recall :P Actualy you might be right.

[BelegDraug]

Great info, and thanks a lot all of you!!! I'm thinking now to go for a IX... wait just a bit more, and meka, like someone said, a radical change... Again, THX a lot!

[3Jane]

The IXB :p

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5908/6aconvoyfinddt6.png

[Penelope_Grey]

I am in mid 40's also and using the VIIB .... If I remember right ( along with everyone's elses imput ) The VII C has 3 external torpedos for the forward compartment plus 2 externals for the stern ? ........ been a while since I last played so I have to learn all over again .......

No the VIIC had 2 external reloads, one for the bow, one for the stern. The VIIC/42 is the one that has additional externals. 3 for the bow 1 for the stern. IIRC.

[skookum]

Now that we've weighed the pros and cons of the VIIB vs the VIIC, let us discuss the differences between the VIIC and the type IX boats (blatant topic change).

To all you IX drivers out there, what makes you choose the IX over the VIIC?

[Nichren]

More fuel and torps. Drives like a pig though.

[Jimbuna]

More eels, greater range, greater firepower, better cook, more hanging hams :p

[StarFox]

well if you call for type IX....Ill take a Type IXD2

[danlisa]

IX rules, VII's suck.:p Simple as that.

No, really, I prefer the longer range patrols in distant waters. I have been known to conduct 90+ day patrols (game time) taking about 2-3wks realtime to complete.

This length of patrol is purely governed by the fact that I'm not convoy hunting but rather stalking tankers near the US. When I use the IX for convoy attacks, my patrol can be fairly short, say 45-60 days.

Has anyone mentioned the IID yet? This is a great little boat & coupled with the Black Sea campaign makes for a tension filled patrol. Try it.:yep:

[Hakahura]

Great info, and thanks a lot all of you!!! I'm thinking now to go for a IX... wait just a bit more, and meka, like someone said, a radical change... Again, THX a lot!


You're welcome
:up:

[skookum]

Has anyone mentioned the IID yet? This is a great little boat & coupled with the Black Sea campaign makes for a tension filled patrol.

Finally, a Kaleun who speaks of the type IID with the respect it deserves. I too am quite fond of the IID, though I recently earned enough renown to upgrade to the VIIC and am quite happy with it.

[Penelope_Grey]

I like the IID as well, I defy anybody to find a boat that can crash dive quicker. :up:

The VII's do not suck Dan you silly beggar! Though I gotta admit... I prefer the type IX over the VII. mainly because the type IX offers greater range and more torpedoes.

Its also slightly quicker than a VII on the surface due to having more powerful engines. The IXC's are my personal favourites. I think the IXD should have stuck to hauling cargo. The IXD reminds me of the American Subs... meant to operate over huge distances.

To be honest thouhg the type VII vs type IX debate is as old as the U-boats themselves! lol

[danurve]

VII's Rule IX's drewl.
And I thought this was going to be a logical thread about choices in the workhorse type 7. :roll:

The IX class was actually favored by the Brittish. Quite the sonar magnet. These boats indeed carried more firepower and crew. When sunk it ment less ordinance to be used against convoys. No doubt, their legacy inspired many a comedian including Monty Python.
Come on, don't you all remember?

<ping> Bring out your Dead..

<ping> Bring out your Dead..

:ping:

Has anyone mentioned the IID yet? This is a great little boat & coupled with the Black Sea campaign makes for a tension filled patrol. Try it.:yep:
An excellent Idea.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

No doubt, their legacy inspired many a comedian including Monty Python.
Come on, don't you all remember?

<ping> Bring out your Dead..

<ping> Bring out your Dead..

:ping:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
i remember that one

[mowgli99]

Well ya i like the look, more fuel and fish of the IX but the VIIs manuver superbly (surface and submerged) and tend to be put under the waves. The VIIs also arent as easily detected i think. Anyway they are both fantastic and i will use each dependent on which area of the world i feel like crusing.

[sunvalleyslim]

Type VIIC, and Type IX......the best of the best

[Iron Budokan]

Everyone knows the frauleins back home dig the VIIC.

[mowgli99]

giggity, giggity, giggity!:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Woof1701]

Normally I tend to start with a Typ II, upgrade to a Typ VII B when it becomes available in my flotilla and upgrade in late 1941 to a Typ IX so that I can be on the U.S. coast on December 7 1941. I tend to stick to the Typ IX till late 1942 or early 1943 and then switch back to a Typ VII C since it can dive and turn more quickly. The Typ IX simply is too ungainly for me for evading escorts. I simply feel safer in the Typ VII and since I tend to get damaged on a regular basis I often have to return to base before I spent all my eels. Sometimes I also stay with the Typ IX till the Typ VII C/41 is available.

[Jimbuna]

The one and only.................................. Type IX :rock: .........:p

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9812/10zg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Avatar]

OK, so I'm a bit head strong, or hard headed:hmm:, but I'm still in a type VIIB in Nov. 41. Right now my latest upgrade was the anti-sonar coating. If I can make at least one or two more patrols I'll find out if I get radar and the new sonar that is on the 2nd page of the upgrades page. You know the one, that has the timeline of availability? We'll just have to see. So far I cant see any reason for upgrading just for new conning towers because I always alarm dive when aircraft are spotted.
I'm not sure about engine upgrades.

Is there such a thing as a real printable page that has all the uboat types and the availability of all upgrades(engines, sonar, radar, detectars)?

[BelegDraug]

Well.. I just wanna thanks all, and say that now I'm a proud member of the IXB lodge... It's a really good jump the change on eels and distances one can mange. Thanks again to all of you for the advice.-

[We're taking damage!]

I have played mainly with the VII's and a very little bit with the II's. Have used the bigger boats only rarely in careers.

I have kept with the VIIB as late as '42, figured by then it's been through enough and it's time for a shiny new VIIC.

My latest career is still in '39, this time around I will be getting into the bigger boats as soon as I can.

Anyways, here is a picture that will settle it once and for all: a race between a VIIC and an IXC!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/GovtGrant/subrace.jpg

[Avatar]

Anyways, here is a picture that will settle it once and for all: a race between a VIIC and an IXC!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/GovtGrant/subrace.jpg

Haha! LOL.

[Jimbuna]

I have played mainly with the VII's and a very little bit with the II's. Have used the bigger boats only rarely in careers.

I have kept with the VIIB as late as '42, figured by then it's been through enough and it's time for a shiny new VIIC.

My latest career is still in '39, this time around I will be getting into the bigger boats as soon as I can.

Anyways, here is a picture that will settle it once and for all: a race between a VIIC and an IXC!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/GovtGrant/subrace.jpg

:roll: ......................:hmm:

[looney]

Now which one won?

[U-96]

In terms of performance the VIIB is a tad quicker and more agile, but it's also more fragile, and you can't dive as deep. The type VIIC has a little more range as well as a slightly deeper depth limit at the cost of abit of surface speed and a negligable reduction in submerged speed. You'll have more oppertunities with the VIIC since you can travel further with it.

Also ,as others correctly mentioned, You have more upgrades available with the VIIC. So while you have a quicker and more agile boat, it may cost you that extra tonnage later as it's merits quickly become irrelevant since you can't dive as deep and lacking upgrades.

I myself prefer the type IX's and usually save my renown for those. More torpedoes and better a better AA arrangement. Though it's submerged performance does leave abit to be desired. It's also tougher with a much higher inventory of torpedoes. I like to take out the escorts first if I can, then pummel some ships with the 105mm deck gun. It's risky but the potential for tonnage is there with that boat. It's all a question of what your style and preferences.

[gordonmull]

VIIc as soon as i can afford it. To me an extra 3 seconds on the surface in the VIIb could mean the difference between going back to a IIa out of Wilhelmshaven in 1939 and staying alive. Also she can go deeper...and deeper = safer.