attack or not

[wivs]

Ahoy Shipmates! This is my first patrol on SH3, I have only had the gme for a couple of weeks but I have to say what a fantastic sim it is! I did have a few doubts about buying it[ My dad served on Hms Limbourne and HMS Liverpool during WW2. He was torpedoed twice and sunk once, so he will be turning in his grave}. I just wanted to canvas opinion about when to attack ships in harbour. I have just sneaked into Loch Ewe but the only reasonable target at anchor is Fiji Light cruiser. If I attack then I will unleash hell on my boat and crew{ there are 3 anti sub ships in the area and the water is very shallow}. Should I just sneak away and find a nice easy merchantman? Or will I get heaps of renown for carrying out a daring raid in the Royal Navys back yard. If I survive the onslaught that is!

[Huskalar]

Hi, I'd say attack. I've done it and got away undetected.

[Canovaro]

Don't do it. Better live on and attack easy targets that are more valuable to the Kriegsmarine.

I don't know about the realism level you play, but at higher levels, port raiding is very risky.

[danurve]

Well, your there yes?
A weapon unused, is a useless weapon. Even if in early war some of the torpedoes are turds. Try to get the best AOB you can, you may need to use impact pistols for midship impact as the shallows could prevent you from sending fish under her keel.

Welcome aboard btw.
You will most likely get a few standard responces about keeping out of shallow waters and harbours, or having to play the game a certain way etc. Try this; have some fun with the game and let yourself decide on what you want to do with it.

[Brag]

Welcome aboard :D

Stay out of shallow water
Stay out of Der Kanal
Stay out of hostile harbours
Read my webbie. You win wars by letting the other guy be a reckless hero! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Laughing Swordfish]

Go for it.

LS

[nikbear]

Welcome to the board wivs:up: since your there you might as well attack and get the harbour raiding bug out of your system;) then go and find some nice big merchants that unkle Karl sent you to sink in the first place:arrgh!:

[von Zelda]

Save the game first, then attack. You can then go back to the saved game and replay.

[VolvicCH]

"You dont win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other sonofabitch die for his"

George S. Patton.



Have a nice day :)

[hobnailboot]

If using SH4, surface and use the deck gun, If using GWX be ready to kiss your A$$ good bye if you get it wrong:arrgh!:

[desirableroasted]

Go for it... if it's 1939, you may even get away with it.

[klh]

Wivs,

It's probably no surprise that the community is split on the issue. The key question is if you want to play the more realistic "dead is dead", or want to play this as a game and try out different scenarios for fun.

For the former, make your attack decision based on if risking the lives of your crew are worth the target. A destroyer or cruiser isn't worth as much, but a battleship or carrier (or a tanker or liberty ship) might be. Do you have an clear exit lane from the harbor? How proficient are you at shallow operations? How close is the nearest deep water? Can you fire from a distance? Is there a period where the ASW assets are turned away from you? How about weather and visibility (it's easier to escape in dark, stormy seas)? Can you wait outside the harbor for traffic?

If the latter, then save a game, and give it a go. Hey, Prien did it. Worst thing that happens is you reload and try a different approach the next time.

As for me, I'm the "dead is dead" conservative type. I have let some juicy targets go when the odds were against me, but then again, my boat and I are still in the fight.

[Stierlitz]

Rule One in War: If it breathes, make it stop. :rock:

[headcase]

Welcome aboard!

I would try to slip out more quietly than I went in. It is a tempting tatget, but the lives of your crew and the boat are worth a lot more. Plenty of good targets in open water. And a much better chance of survival. I'm not saying to avoid risk altogether, just make sure you have plenty of water under your keel, and full batteries first. Then attack relentlessly with cunning and skill.

Good Hunting, and have fun.

[Hakahura]

Bdu to wivs...


Be More Aggresive!

But bring your boat and crew home.

[HMCS]

Sink it. If she's stationary, you can pull back to 5000 yds or so and let fly. The extra distance will give you time to escape.

"Audace, audace. Toujours l'audace."~Fredrick The Great.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Welcome aboard :D

Stay out of shallow water
Stay out of Der Kanal
Stay out of hostile harbours
Read my webbie. You win wars by letting the other guy be a reckless hero! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
yes. let me do that stuff ;)
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


now serious. on stock SH3 there is only 1 enterance and that is south from scapa (in GWX there are 3) so i would say. secure your escape route and blast the b-tard to walhalla :arrgh!:

in GWX: enter east or west, south has a subnet. kill everything on your way to the other side and exit there.

east side in, death and destruction, west side out.
usualy you wont get attacked. unless you mess it up ;)

[Hakahura]

Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Interesting intel you have on Naval Base at Scapa Flow,
Most probably of no help to Kaleun wivs at the moment,
Being as he is submerged in Loch Ewe.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Permision granted to throw Navigator and charts overboard.
Hope you can find your way back to port.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Please observe radio silence,
Suspect Allied forces are laughing at you.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Interesting intel you have on Naval Base at Scapa Flow,
Most probably of no help to Kaleun wivs at the moment,
Being as he is submerged in Loch Ewe.



Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Permision granted to throw Navigator and charts overboard.
Hope you can find your way back to port.




Bdu to Jochen Mohr.....

Please observe radio silence,
Suspect Allied forces are laughing at you.

Mohr to BDU
didnt read that.

anyway
this is intel for submerged subs.
i dont give my surface raiding tips away :arrgh!:


Mohr to BDU.
wich charts ? wich navigator ? :hmm:


Mohr to BDU
do we have enemy's ? :o

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

now. Loch ewe :hmm:

stock eh.

if i remember correct there is a DD swarming at the enterance. kill it
watch out for the double subnet, mine's and the coastal arty
blast the DD's in port do hell and take out the Fiji.
if done correct there wont be a problem

note: i can be wrong though, this can be from WAC couse GWX has no subnets there. just mine's* but be carefull anyway

*you certainly cant see where i hit a mine :roll:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/evangelionunit03/SH3Img11-9-2007_245.20_234.jpg

[bookworm_020]

You only die once, but if you die with honour, your name lives forever!:arrgh!:

Go for it!:up:

[XLjedi]

Welcome aboard :D

Stay out of shallow water
Stay out of Der Kanal
Stay out of hostile harbours
Read my webbie. You win wars by letting the other guy be a reckless hero! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


What's wrong with the Kanal?


Granted... I couldn't use it til I modded the config file to allow 128 TC for land proximity.

[Shelton]

remember

Discretion is a better part of Valor!

[wivs]

To all you who replied, thanks. For info I pulled back to the entrance of Lock Ewe on the east side. Depth of water about 15m. I fire a salvo of 2 at the stationary Fiji. Distance about 9000m fish set to slow. Unfortunately the Fiji saw them and pulled up his anchor. Both fish slid just past the stern narrowly missing! I then spent a rather uncomfortable day try to save my life and my boat. Still on the positive side I learnt a lot about damage control! I:ll try an easier target today. Cheers Wivs.

[Petsman]

You should hit at night or fire electrics. then the fiji will not have any luck!;)

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

To all you who replied, thanks. For info I pulled back to the entrance of Lock Ewe on the east side. Depth of water about 15m. I fire a salvo of 2 at the stationary Fiji. Distance about 9000m fish set to slow. Unfortunately the Fiji saw them and pulled up his anchor. Both fish slid just past the stern narrowly missing! I then spent a rather uncomfortable day try to save my life and my boat. Still on the positive side I learnt a lot about damage control! I:ll try an easier target today. Cheers Wivs.

il see if i can gather ya some more intel ;)
btw. for harbour raids its the best to use electric eels. they wont be spotted :arrgh!:

[mkubani]

Wivs, welcome aboard. I don't know if you know about this or not, but if you have stock SH 3 on you computer, you can upgrade the game and greatly improve your experience and enjoyment by installing GWX (Grey Wolves) Add-on. It make the game SO MUCH BETTER! Currently GWX is at version 1.03 and can be downloaded here for FREE:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102096

It's self installing and includes a fantastic manual. And the GWX team is working 24/7 to bring us their final version 1.04 soon (watch the Silent Hunter 3 Workshop section carefully). Trust me, you want to get this thing installed over your stock SH 3!

[Jimbuna]

Welcome aboard kaleun wivs.....get a feel for the game first then perhaps consider 'upping' the reality level bit by bit.
After you feel confident enough you might want to try a mod as a way of raising the realism of the gaming experience.
What is most important is that you make up your own mind :yep:
Ignore the luncheon meat :lol:

Good luck :arrgh!:

[wivs]

That sounds great, I am going to install GWX NOW. By the way, I dont think I had an option for electric torpedoes in the ON base U boat options, or have I missed something!

[wivs]

Just installed GwX , but on the start up screen an error occurred to SH3 and it had to close. Any ideas!
Just read the instructions! I think I need to install over a clean copy of sh3.

[blackdog_kt]

Even if in early war some of the torpedoes are turds.
The sh*t hit the fan?:lol:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Just installed GwX , but on the start up screen an error occurred to SH3 and it had to close. Any ideas!
Just read the instructions! I think I need to install over a clean copy of sh3.

:rotfl: ofcourse you have to do over a clean instal. patched to 1.4b and then directly GWX. no other mods ;)

[Jimbuna]

Just installed GwX , but on the start up screen an error occurred to SH3 and it had to close. Any ideas!
Just read the instructions! I think I need to install over a clean copy of sh3.

1.Uninstall SH3 via Windows' "Add/Remove programs"
2. Open Windows Explorer and:
- *delete* the folder where you had installed SH3
- *delete* the \My Documents\SH3 folder
3. Reinstall SH3
4. If your SH3 did not come with patch v1.4b already included, install patch v1.4b. Ensure you install the patch that corresponds to your copy of SH3 (Download/DVD/EMEA/US)
5. OPTIONAL: Copy and paste this "clean" install as a backup to avoid the need to follow steps 1-3 if your game becomes corrupt in future
6. Download theGWX.exe and the five .bin files. While there grab the v1.03 patch
7. Run GWX.exe and follow the installation prompts
8. Run GWX103.exe and follow the installation prompts
9. SH3 COMMANDER USERS: Download SH3Commander and download the GWX 1.02+ Cfg files for SH3 Commander and unzip the contents DIRECTLY into your SH3 Commander\Cfg folder.