Automatic TDC dosen`t work

[jorgeneo560]

I am ver very disapointed with this ****ing game :down:, i have downloaded and installed correctly all the parches and 1.3 too and the tdc system dosent work some times :damn:, and i dont have time to know who to use the manual system becouse the unuversity demand a lot of time, anybody know how to fix this problem? please help me before i crack the dvd and install the previous game
please email me if anybody have a parche that can solve the problem

[FAdmiral]

I have had a bad install of the original game and one of the patches.
I will suggest what I did the last time. Uninstall everything (and I mean
everything related to SH4) reinstall the game, patch to 1.3 only.
Be careful about adding mods after this cause they can cause conflicts
sometimes. Do tests on mission & single patrols till you achieve what
you want in the game. Then tackle the campaigns....

JIM

[jorgeneo560]

:S i have done that millons of times :shifty: anyway thanks for you help, i have seen that some files with the same name are in the previous version, i will try to import the old tdc system to the game

[LukeFF]

i have seen that some files with the same name are in the previous version, i will try to import the old tdc system to the game

There is no "old TDC system." You just aren't calculating your solutions right. Watch TDC training vidoes created by WernerSobe and stickied in this forum to see how to use the TDC properly.

[jorgeneo560]

you dosent understand or i am wrong, in the game options are a button that says if you lock a craft with the periscope or tbt the solution on tdc will be automatic, and sometimes work and others don´t work and that have me very very angry :damn:
i cant beleve that a corporation like ubisoft launch to the market a game with a millons of bugs and after a second parche they says that the game will be no longer soported :down::damn::damn::damn::damn:.

[donut]

Since you may be the only confirmation.It really sounds like your install is corrupted. Reinstall advised:lol:

[silentscorp1971]

Not exactly sure what the problem is, are you having trouble with auto-tdc being auto.. or manual-tdc being manual?

If you are using auto-tdc (as in you have unchecked the "use manual tdc" button in the options panel) you simply have to place the periscope vertical crosshair onto a ship and it will automate do the solution for you. You will see a small arrow icon under the ship and its color will denote the quailty of the solution (red=bad, green=good). To "lock" a target click the "L" key by default, this simply locks the periscope onto the ships middle so it follows it without you having to turn the periscope. This works in manual or auto tdc.

There is no way to toggle between auto/manual during a game. If your on auto it will automatically calculate a solution for whatever ship is currently under the periscope. If its manual you have to do it all by hand. Lock periscope is just that. Locks periscope view on current target.

[FAdmiral]

After you lock the green triangle to the target & fire the torpedo, do you
mean the torpedo will sometimes hit and sometimes miss? We are all trying to
understand what you are saying but the language difference is throwing things
off here.

JIM

[Theraven]

This actually happens to me too. I use the auto-targetting system and sometimes, when I pop the periscope up it's like the game doesn't recognize there is a ship there to target. No little triangle pops up when the crosshairs are on the ship, I can't lock onto it, etc. Which means I can't fire my torps at it, unless I feel like firing blindly with no firing solution. Sometimes it randomly starts working after a few seconds (or at most a couple minutes), sometimes it does not. In the cases where it doesn't I usually just raise/lower the scope a couple times and it starts working.

I have also noticed that when I can't target using the periscope I also can't target using the on deck binoculars, I've surfaced a couple times when this has happened to check it out. I have checked to make sure I didn't leave my crew at battle stations too long and caused them to be really fatigued or even asleep, as I have experienced that before and it's basically the same symptoms, the crew is so tired they don't detect the ship is there even though I can clearly see it in the periscope.
This problem started happening for me when I uninstalled the +25% torpedo power mod and installed the real sinking mechanics mod, and these are the only mods I have ever used. I'm not saying either of these mods caused the problem, but it's possible some game files were corrupted in the process of installing/uninstalling the mods. Or it may be a bug with the new mod, but a lot of people use it and it's likely it would have been caught by now if that was the case. It's really more of an annoyance than anything, and like I said it usually goes away by itself. It's certainly not worth the 4-5 hours it would take to reinstall the game, to me anyways.

[jorgeneo560]

i have complete two times the career of sh3 so i know very well well who to play, the problem that i am having is that sometimes it`s work fine the tdc in automatic mode, but somethimes when i lock on a ship with the periscope the solution dosent appear in the torpedo map, dosen`t appear any green line and when i shot the torpedo follow the last tdc configuration and if i dont have made a lock before the torpedo fires with the default solution that have when the game is loaded, even if i switch to manual mode and change some things like bearing or range when i switch again to automatic it have the default or previos solution again.
I dont have mods installed only the parches, the only thing that i do is increse the compresion time, but i cant play in 1:1 time compresion a patroll it wel be take a real weak or a month :shifty:.
And the crew ever make a solution but if taired the solution is very bad, but i have a excelent crew in the 3 turns, and i have modified the crew.cfg one to make a unfatigable crew and the tdc have the same problem (i actualy play with an a original crew.cfg)
nasty engine real sucks.
Sory for my inglish i speak spanish

[kurohone]

How close are you to the ships in question, and what is the weather like?

One of the frustrating things about auto-TDC (I use it as well) is that it doesn't 'see' a ship until it thinks that a random crewmember on your ship can 'see' it (like, whomever is manning the periscope while you're at the nav table). Using the bridge TDC, with it's high-zoom factor, you can usually see about 4-5000 yards on a clear night, but it won't appear on the TDC until it's on the low end of that scale. In stormy weather it can be much worse...i've had ships close to within 700 yards before the TDC picked them up.

[Theraven]

How close are you to the ships in question, and what is the weather like?

Perfectly clear day, within 1000 yards, calm seas. I know about bad weather and the factors that normally prevent my crew from noticing ships (like fatigue, bad weather, darkness), this is something completely different. I've been in bad enough weather that the crew can't see a ship until it's 500 yards or less even though sonar and radar both pick them up and I can see it in the periscope. The problem doesn't happen often but it's sure annoying when it does.

[McBeck]

2 stupid questions:

1) Do you open your torpedo doors prior to hitting Enter?
2) Have you set your realism settings in the career mode too?

[SteamWake]

becouse the unuversity demand a lot of time

Woah... :hmm:

Im guessing he never broke the 'lock' from the previous target or the periscope was below water surface breaking lock.

Or firing from 10,000 yards out.

In a nutshell auto TDC does work. Almost too well. If you know all the 'tricks'.

[jorgeneo560]

becouse the unuversity demand a lot of time
Woah... :hmm:

Im guessing he never broke the 'lock' from the previous target or the periscope was below water surface breaking lock.

Or firing from 10,000 yards out.

In a nutshell auto TDC does work. Almost too well. If you know all the 'tricks'. can you read al my post before answer? i say that i complete the sh3 career two time and i know very very well that you cant fire a torpedo to a ship more than 5000 meters becouse can fail, and when the tdc fails it dosen`t mather whow afar is the craft and i have tested the tdc on fine water on day calm sea and sunny and fails too.
And i never broke the lock for a previos ship becouse after you have destroy that ship it automatic broke the lock even when the tdc dosen`t work in automatic mode, so for post here play the game first ;)

[SteamWake]

becouse the unuversity demand a lot of time
Woah... :hmm:

Im guessing he never broke the 'lock' from the previous target or the periscope was below water surface breaking lock.

Or firing from 10,000 yards out.

In a nutshell auto TDC does work. Almost too well. If you know all the 'tricks'. can you read al my post before answer? i say that i complete the sh3 career two time and i know very very well that you cant fire a torpedo to a ship more than 5000 meters becouse can fail, and when the tdc fails it dosen`t mather whow afar is the craft and i have tested the tdc on fine water on day calm sea and sunny and fails too.
And i never broke the lock for a previos ship becouse after you have destroy that ship it automatic broke the lock even when the tdc dosen`t work in automatic mode, so for post here play the game first ;)

All you have to do is tap your space bar that will break the 'lock'.

Ill leave it at that.

[donut]

Just noticed,this happened to us last nite,35th career patrol, "Once", Small Gun Boat,At 20 degrees Stb.,2,500 yds heading 200 degrees,slow. Our heading 280,At PD,no could lock in scope,no sonar indication,but I can see it ! Radar indicates correctly she is there.must be new NIP cloaking devise,you can't be stealthy enough,SHIV is going to kill your ass,:rotfl: The AI is at war with US.:roll:

[SteamWake]

Just noticed,this happened to us last nite,35th career patrol, "Once", Small Gun Boat,At 20 degrees Stb.,2,500 yds heading 200 degrees,slow. Our heading 280,At PD,no could lock in scope,no sonar indication,but I can see it ! Radar indicates correctly she is there.must be new NIP cloaking devise,you can't be stealthy enough,SHIV is going to kill your ass,:rotfl: The AI is at war with US.:roll:

Did you have the stern tubes selected while the target was off your bow ?

[donut]

Just noticed,this happened to us last nite,35th career patrol, "Once", Small Gun Boat,At 20 degrees Stb.,2,500 yds heading 200 degrees,slow. Our heading 280,At PD,no could lock in scope,no sonar indication,but I can see it ! Radar indicates correctly she is there.must be new NIP cloaking devise,you can't be stealthy enough,SHIV is going to kill your ass,:rotfl: The AI is at war with US.:roll: Quite real life SNAFU's

Did you have the stern tubes selected while the target was off your bow ?NO!:huh: Steamy,What difference would that make to sonar indication ?

[SteamWake]

Just noticed,this happened to us last nite,35th career patrol, "Once", Small Gun Boat,At 20 degrees Stb.,2,500 yds heading 200 degrees,slow. Our heading 280,At PD,no could lock in scope,no sonar indication,but I can see it ! Radar indicates correctly she is there.must be new NIP cloaking devise,you can't be stealthy enough,SHIV is going to kill your ass,:rotfl: The AI is at war with US.:roll: Quite real life SNAFU's

Did you have the stern tubes selected while the target was off your bow ?NO!:huh: Steamy,What difference would that make to sonar indication ?

None but if you can see it in your periscope you should be able to 'lock' it (in full auto).

There are a plethroa of reasons it may not get picked up by sonar. ...

The target is quiet, covered up by surface noise, or your sound man is a slacker.

[donut]

Just noticed,this happened to us last nite,35th career patrol, "Once", Small Gun Boat,At 20 degrees Stb.,2,500 yds heading 200 degrees,slow. Our heading 280,At PD,no could lock in scope,no sonar indication,but I can see it ! Radar indicates correctly she is there.must be new NIP cloaking devise,you can't be stealthy enough,SHIV is going to kill your ass,:rotfl: The AI is at war with US.:roll: Quite real life SNAFU's

Did you have the stern tubes selected while the target was off your bow ?NO!:huh: Steamy,What difference would that make to sonar indication ?

None but if you can see it in your periscope you should be able to 'lock' it (in full auto).Answer;One would think!,that is the problem OP

There are a plethroa of reasons it may not get picked up by sonar. ...

The target is quiet, covered up by surface noise, or your sound man is a slacker.OK Ocean Warrior,a ?,Which Conning tower crew is Sonarman,Compt. chief,or Other:huh:

[Theraven]

Did you have the stern tubes selected while the target was off your bow ?

Well, I don't see why that would make a difference. Even if you have the opposite side tubes selected you can still lock on the ship, you just get a red arrow instead the the orange/yellow/green.

2 stupid questions:

1) Do you open your torpedo doors prior to hitting Enter?
2) Have you set your realism settings in the career mode too?

1. I don't see why having open or closed torpedo doors would have any affect on locking onto a ship, as I've locked onto ships with them both open and closed before.
2. Yes, I am certain my realism settings were set for career mode. I often tweak them to play around with different settings, but the one setting I never ever touch is the auto-target. And, it's not like it happens for a whole patrol or something, it only happens sporadically, in the middle of patrols it has been working fine in before. I'd say it happens maybe once every other patrol.

[jorgeneo560]

yeah its true that,but is a really nasty bug anyway, becouse i am in a patrol that i have an merchant convoy weakle defended and the tdc dosent work?:damn: and i can lock on a ship with the presicope but the triangule dosent appear for me

[donut]

You can still fire on TBT bearing,leading target with deflection angle using educated guesstimate range versus speed.:damn: near manual Ops.:lol:If you could get it from Radar.

[jorgeneo560]

yah culd be too, but i want to use tdc in automatic mode :cry:, ubisoft ****me this time

[Frederf]

I've never tried it but does having all the 'n00b' settings on prevent manual TDC use? I guess that would make sense. If you want to use manual TDC, then try turning off manual targeting?

[maerean_m]

I am ver very disapointed with this ****ing game :down:, i have downloaded and installed correctly all the parches and 1.3 too and the tdc system dosent work some times :damn:

With automatic targeting you point the periscope at the target and the solution is computed instantly (the gyro angle, which is relative to the heading of the sub). If you’re changing course while firing torpedoes, they will always miss. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon4.gif So always go in a straight line when firing torpedoes.

[McBeck]

yah culd be too, but i want to use tdc in automatic mode :cry:, ubisoft ****me this time
Could you answer my Qs please.
PLease work with us on this if you want help.

[JREX53]

Just a question to the OP - Did you happen to push the "Position Keeper Status" Button. I have noticed when I have problems with the torpedoes running a different direction then where I want them to go is, because I failed to push that little red button on the TDC. Or if I have changed targets, I have to push that button for the TDC to go to the new target.

Hope this helps.

Jim IC1(SS)

[jorgeneo560]

2 stupid questions:

1) Do you open your torpedo doors prior to hitting Enter?
2) Have you set your realism settings in the career mode too?

1 coherent answer
It dosent mather if the door is open or closed becouse when you fire the sub automaticle cloose and open the doors and i am tired of see the realism optiom every time tdc dont work
and play the game before post here plese!!!!!

[enigma-e]

2 stupid questions:
1 coherent answer
It dosent mather if the door is open or closed becouse when you fire the sub automaticle cloose and open the doors and i am tired of see the realism optiom every time tdc dont work
and play the game before post here plese!!!!!

Yes it does, as the time needed to open the doors can spell the difference between success and failure.

"Coherent answer", my stern post.

"unuversities" seem to have pretty low standards these days.

[jorgeneo560]

enigma-e you dosent understand, the problem here are not the ****ing doors are the nasty tdc that dont make a solution, READ THE POST AND PLAY THE GAME before answer my god!!!! anyway thanks for the help ;)

[JREX53]

Hey Dude, I have played the game and it does matter. If you have your torpedo doors closed you are almost always going to miss. If you don't push the postition keeper status button - the TDC uses the setting from the
last time you fired a torpedo.

Your attitude has alot to be disired... NOT. People here are trying to help you, but you think you are the only one here.

If you don't like the way it is acting, try some of the suggestions put forth before you start blaming people for your problems.

Jim

[SteamWake]

Again.

The auto TDC does work in fact it works too well (instant perfect solutions) if you know how to use it.

Im not going to add any more to this thread because it seems to be just running around in circles and being used as a crutch to bash the game.

[jorgeneo560]

look i have tried open the topredo doors, and i watch a lof of videos of youtube of whow work the tdc and i say that it really has a bug, please tell me a soft that let me record my desk with the keyboard and i will show you that dosen`t work some times, and i never insult other people and i only blamming my problems and a lot of times i said "thanks for you help" dont understandme wrong

[McBeck]

2 stupid questions:

1) Do you open your torpedo doors prior to hitting Enter?
2) Have you set your realism settings in the career mode too?

1 coherent answer
It dosent mather if the door is open or closed becouse when you fire the sub automaticle cloose and open the doors and i am tired of see the realism optiom every time tdc dont work
and play the game before post here plese!!!!! I dont even know why I borther, but here goes:
1) When you hit Enter theres a few seconds before you torpedo is launched. Unfortunately the firering solution used is from the moment you hit Enter and that can make a HUGE difference.
2) People often make the mistake with the options because there are TWO SETS.
One in the options for the game and one for the career.

They are stupid questions, but rather have them out of the way before wasting peoples time when it can be easily solved.

Theres plenty of free software out there for you to record what happens in the game, so you can show it to us....try http://www.fraps.com/
I suggest you do that first and then we can take it from there.

BTW...you dont use a NO-CD patch by any chance, do you? That can mess with the game...

[jorgeneo560]

i have a patch maybe will be that, but i dont think so becouse tdc works sometimes, i have read that the game sometimes when you set up a compresion more than 1024 some items dosent work becouse it descalibrate the game, and every time tdc dosent work i set up a compresion higer than 1024 , i have tested to save the game and reloaded it when tdc dont work and work again, so i dont think that the problem is the parche, but it culd be anyway, i will try to get a fake image to try tu run with the original files, if anybody knows a minimage post the link o mail me jorgeneo560@yahoo.com.ar

[SteamWake]

if anybody knows a minimage post the link o mail me

Forgive my ignorance but what is a minimage ?

[jorgeneo560]

a mini image it s kind of crack that emulate that you have an original cd on your dvd-rom and you dont have to modified the files of the game with a crack
ignorance is forgiven, becouse all of us learn something new in each patrol

[SteamWake]

a mini image it s kind of crack that emulate that you have an original cd on your dvd-rom and you dont have to modified the files of the game with a crack

OH ! a mini image...

Uhh this might not be the best place to discuss this.

[TDK1044]

Please, let's not get into discussing 'cracks' here. I think McBeck makes a lot of sense in his last post.

[Theraven]

[quote=jorgeneo560]

BTW...you dont use a NO-CD patch by any chance, do you? That can mess with the game...

Doesn't patch 1.3 from Ubi include a no-dvd patch? So there should be no reason that would mess with anything if it's official from Ubi. I'm not sure I understaand exactly what the problem this other guy is having, but I do know from my experience there is some sort of bug that I've described where you just can't target ships. Too lazy to load up fraps though in the off chance it -might- happen again when I happen to remember to load up fraps. :dead: