New subsim on the horizon....

[Onkel Neal]

I'm hearing whisperings of a sequel to a well-known subsim action game. Some of the veteran dev team will be returning to create the game. More details coming....

Ok, here are the details from Tesseraction Games:


Tesseraction Games has a new owner.
Enigma: Sink The Hood is officially in pre-production.

This time out we are working to increase the playability of Enigma as a command simulation and a ship simulation; with a new host of ship simulation features. Imagine a difficulty slider with Enigma 1 on one end and Aces of the Deep on the other: that's the goal.

We will be using a state of the art rendering engine, a well known 3rd party physics engine, and support for joysticks and proprietary controllers.

What's going to be different about E2 vs E1?

- No hardware copy protection
- Multiplayer
- TAG will host servers
- Players can host servers (current plan is for 16 players)

- Terrain with Harbors, Ports, Facilities, and emplacements.

- Crew and Officer representation

- massive upgrade to graphics; particularly the ocean and ocean effects

- There will be no difficulty setting this time round, only realism settings: this will include items like reload times, required equipment operations (like hydrophones...), contact plotting, and radio useage.

- Ability to run silent

- no Time Compression and no "edge of battle" placement. Distance traversal will be handled like SWOTL and other games (warping available while out of range of any contacts).

- Drills and training will make a difference to performance of officers and crew

- Improved (and historically accurate) fire control systems (ships)

- Extended voice recognition systems (E1 was cited as having best voice recognition in any game by multiple reviewers) and voice response.

- comprehensive support for the modding community; everything from ships, instruments, controls, sky, clouds, terrain, fauna, structures, audio, all the way to particle effects.

There is much more to come, watch for announcements here at Subsim.

[Bort]

Do we get a hint? Era? Anything like that? :D

[Onkel Neal]

Ahm waiting to see who can come the closest with wild-ass guesses :cool:

[Gunner]

I knew it, there is gonna be a Silent Hunter5 lol :D

[bradclark1]

I'm hearing whisperings of a sequel to a well-known subsim action game. Some of the veteran dev team will be returning to create the game. More details coming....
Action game???:hmm:
Would that be Enigma2 or Enigma dev team?

[NEON DEON]

Ahm waiting to see who can come the closest with wild-ass guesses :cool:

well okies!

Silent Service III:D :ping: :ping: :ping:

[Chock]

It's sounds like it would have to be Enigma Rising Tide to me, or possibly Frogger.

:D Chock

[Bort]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b8/250px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg

[Deep6]

Virginia Class Subsim - Sonalyst

That is the answer I will pull out of my posterior. :smug:

[gregorm]

Oh boy... :roll: I have so many ideas I don't know where to begin!

[Jmack]

so ... sh3 with the new GWX will be considered a new submarine simulator ... it figures

[Roads88]

Red Storm Rising II...:up:

[bookworm_020]

Aces of the Deep 2????

[Elphaba]

PLEASE let it be SH5 - as a Viginia Sub with full 3d and crew and a new cold / hot war theme...

P L E A S E !! !! !!

Elphaba

[Gert]

Oh please let it be the Imperial Japanese Navy !!!!!

[XLjedi]

Action game... action game? subsim action game... :hmm:


Is it Pirates II - the extended ballroom DDR version? :arrgh!:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

what about a mix of all these subsims :hmm:

can be interesting

[fenian]

New subsim!? Ok your mission is load a submarine with the Columbian Cartels finest "Peruvian Marching" powder sneak it up the coast of South and Central America and off load it somehwere on the American Gulf Coast. Avoiding the US Coast Guard and other Naval Forces. The USCG should be easy if you keep her down below periscope depth, as the CG took off ASW capabilty years ago. Of course other "cartels" may wish to stop you and send out patrol craft looking like fishing vessels and of course for 100% reality only manual navigation no GPS......:doh:

[Sea Demon]

It's going to be Fleet Command 2 from Sonalysts or an add-on pack for Dangerous Waters.

Halleluja if it's true. :rock:

[XLjedi]

It's going to be Fleet Command 2 from Sonalysts...

Don't even joke... now anything else will just be a let down for me. :nope:

[sunvalleyslim]

what about a mix of all these subsims :hmm:

can be interesting

Yeah that's it "The Turtle vs SSBN 1"

[Saldiray]

I wish it's "Aces of the Deep 2" and i'll forget all the other sims (including SH3 packed with GWX).

[TarJak]

Aces of the Deep 2 would be nice to see. But as it's been guessed before I'll go for Fast Attack: Submarine 2 cos no-one else has guessed it yet.

[hyperion2206]

Ahm waiting to see who can come the closest with wild-ass guesses :cool:

You're a mean old man... but I've got to respect it!:p:lol:

[Sonarman]

You don't mean it, they are finally going to do "Sub Battle Sim 2" and are adding EGA and Adlib support?

[dcb]

If it's 'action' subsim, then it must be... well, let's see...
Aquanox2?
Sub Culture 2?
Hope I'm wrong (LOL)!

[Sonarman]

If it's 'action' subsim, then it must be... well, let's see...
Aquanox2?
Sub Culture 2?
Hope I'm wrong (LOL)!

That would have to be Aquanox 4 as we already have a 2 & 3, where have you been? :up:

[Seth8530]

How about it be.... DAS BOot The game!

[Deep6]

How about it be.... DAS BOot The game!



That would be cool. On the other hand, U571 the game .... :doh:

[martxyz]

How about it be.... DAS BOot The game!


That would be cool. On the other hand, U571 the game .... :doh:
I think the words you might be looking for are "travesty of history". Still; I'm sure that won't stop anybody! :damn:

[Seadogs]

It's going to be Fleet Command 2 from Sonalysts...

Don't even joke... now anything else will just be a let down for me. :nope:

Ain't that the truth. However, anything from sonalysts would fit my appetite right about now.

[Hybris]

New subsim!? Ok your mission is load a submarine with the Columbian Cartels finest "Peruvian Marching" powder sneak it up the coast of South and Central America and off load it somehwere on the American Gulf Coast. Avoiding the US Coast Guard and other Naval Forces. The USCG should be easy if you keep her down below periscope depth, as the CG took off ASW capabilty years ago. Of course other "cartels" may wish to stop you and send out patrol craft looking like fishing vessels and of course for 100% reality only manual navigation no GPS......:doh:

I would go with that but I'm hoping for Silent Hunter V: The New Era as you command the post WWII diesel boats and later on the early nuclear subs

[The Noob]

Cant be SH5. SH4 is still to new. :-?

AOTD2 would be awesome. :D

Damn, now i got bees in my ass and cant sit still anymore... i have to know! :damn:

[aurgolo]

whatever subsim is fine...............but with no more bugs and CTD and infinite patches........please

[sqk7744]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:



Classic Bort!

I think they caught one of the developers on video back in August:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/a-makeshift-submarine-lands-artists-in-hot-water/

Cheers! :arrgh!:

[jdkbph]

Silent Service 3.

And why not? Some of the old MPS guys, like Sid Meier, Arnold Hendrick, and Bill Stealy are still around. If SH3 and SH4 have done well, Silent Service would be a slam dunk money maker based on rep and nostalgic factors alone.

Anyway, it would seem to fit Neal's choice of words... "a well-known subsim action game" and "veteran dev team... returning"

And who knows... maybe they could recapture some of the old magic?


JD

[Snakeeyes]

VIKING RAFTERS 2?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!

Features include:
Double-action rowing now with 3D stereo sound!
Whippings and lashings now come complete with smellovision!
Funeral pyres now glow with Direct X 10 color and particle emmulation!
Regulate fish rations while on board.
Bonus mission to evacuate your campsite on Iceland before the lava consumes 3 of your 6 wives!

[CptGrayWolf]

'Action Subsim' hmm... Silent Service 3?

[XLjedi]

So what exactly would qualify as a Subsim Action Game anyway?

[CptGrayWolf]

So what exactly would qualify as a Subsim Action Game anyway?

One where Ubisoft is involved?

[Seadogs]

Well whatever it is, lets let it go through a proper development phase...M'kay? :up:

[stvallen]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:



hahaha! Crank for your life, Mister!

hrm... a "well-known subsim action game" Cripes it wouldn't be something waaaay out in left field like Subwar 2050 (http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue18/greviews/subwar/subwar.html)?? No... that wouldn't meet the "well-known" criteria, methinks. :hmm:

[NefariousKoel]

The Sims: CSS Hunley

:lol:

[Biggles]

Too early for SH5 if you ask me.

[Elphaba]

Mr Stevens...

Could you please give us a rough timeline for when you will be able to spill the juicy gossip please?

You know, 1 week, 1 month.... 1 HOUR!!!

;)

Elphaba

[Von Hinten]

It must be a v2 because otherwise it wouldn't be called a 'sequel', now would it? :arrgh!:

Anyway, I'm too young a sailor to know all the previous sims so ... I'll just read all the titles you can come up with.

[Adriatico]

DAS Boot - the game !!! (SH5 - Kriegsmarine)!!!

No : underwater Doom 4, scuba Hruschov, Lincoln flotila,......Diving pericope ninja turtles!

[Hitman]

I'm hearing whisperings of a sequel to a well-known subsim action game. Some of the veteran dev team will be returning to create the game. More details coming....


Let us go the Kant method :)

Premises:

sequel = continuation. We can asume it had no continuation before this one, as there is no mention to a saga or franchise

well-known = widely known. No obscure, low selling game

action = not strictly sim

veteran dev-team = experienced, already long time in the business.

Deductions:

1) Submarine games with no sequel:

iron wolves
silent steel
wolf pack
ssn-21 seawolf
clancy's ssn
Uboat & Drumbeat (MAC)

(Note: AOD had Command Aces of the Deep as sequel, and Enigma is unlikely to be completed, plus had a Gold edition)

2) Submarine action games with no sequel

iron wolves
uboat & drumbeat
wolf pack
ssn-21 seawolf
clancy's ssn

3) Well known Submarine action games with no sequel

iron wolves
wolf pack
ssn-21 seawolf
clancy's ssn

4) Well known Submarine action games with no sequel and active veteran dev team

wolf pack

------------------------------------------------------------

My bet: Wolf Pack sequel. Was discussed already some time ago, before SH2 appeared. Novalogic is currently owned by .... Electronic Arts :hmm: and has the money for it.

Additional notes:

Iron Wolves is currently having a sequel in Deep Six, already known in these forums.

Vivendi (Sierra owner) has repeatedly showed no interest in an AOD sequel (I know this first hand)

[Avatar]

Submarine action.....:hmm:
Up Periscope 2, by Actionsoft!

[XLjedi]

My bet: Wolf Pack sequel. Was discussed already some time ago, before SH2 appeared. Novalogic is currently owned by .... Electronic Arts :hmm: and has the money for it.

:o

...well if that ain't what Neal was planning on announcing you may have just influenced him to modify it!

[Seeadler]

The best action submarine game I played was "Schleichfahrt"
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PBS620WCL._AA240_.jpg
the indirect successors "Aquanox/AquanoxII" never reached the flair and the gameplay dynamics of Schleichfahrt

[bruschi sauro]

what about a mix of all these subsims :hmm:

can be interesting

Yeah that's it "The Turtle vs SSBN 1"
No the new subsim, for me, is Captain Nemo vs Giant Squid armed with the torpedo LONG LANCE...:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Flick]

I was hoping for Destroyer Command II....:)

[Scharnhorst1943]

Meh. I am happy (for the most part) with SH3 and SH4 for now. It is way too early for another WW2 submarine game, unless it is as the Japanese ... I would be WAY more interested in Destroyer Command 2, and be able to command battleships and cruisers as well as the destroyers. I could do a cold war era game, but after SH3 and SH4, I am getting all sub-simmed out. I think it has been way to long since we had a great surface combat sim. The best one yet was Fighting Steel, and that is now an older game that won't run on several of the newer graphics cards ...

[ReallyDedPoet]

... I would be WAY more interested in Destroyer Command 2, and be able to command battleships and cruisers as well as the destroyers.

This would be nice ^^^ . Welcome to SUBSIM :up: by the way.


RDP

[Sea Demon]

I was hoping for Destroyer Command II....:)

I think I would like that as well.

[Freelancer]

Well, of course it is Gato 2 with 16 colors EGA graphics :D

[Iron Budokan]

VIKING RAFTERS 2?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!

Features include:
Double-action rowing now with 3D stereo sound!
Whippings and lashings now come complete with smellovision!
Funeral pyres now glow with Direct X 10 color and particle emmulation!
Regulate fish rations while on board.
Bonus mission to evacuate your campsite on Iceland before the lava consumes 3 of your 6 wives!

You know, I'd actually like to play a game like that! :hmm:

[Snakeeyes]

Me too!

[GlobalExplorer]

I am almost certain it's gonna be the sequel to ERT. East spilled the beans in another thread, some time ago ..

[tomagabriel]

What is ERT?

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Well Silent Hunter isint a action subsim. So Im thinking Enigma Rising Tide II or Dangrous Waters II.

But I do hope its SHV.

[FAdmiral]

I'll wait & see !! No use getting worked up over speculation at my age....

JIM

[minsc_tdp]

Battlestations: London

[minsc_tdp]

What is ERT?

Enigma: Rising Tide. A decent sub sim and surface patrol craft game that many claimed was too action/arcade style. Somewhat rough and buggy but decent overall. Used StarForce. It's selling point was an alternate history timeline and voice command (but it's not as good as my voice system for SH4!)

[ABBAFAN]

swedish navy abbavessels take on the 1930s soviet navy?

[GUNTHERU40]

I wish it could be Aces of the Deep II it would be nice to see the pennants fly win I get back home

[Bill Nichols]

BREAKING NEWS!

First screenshot:

http://www.openpr.com/images/articles/9/c/9c4285ec4aaa6d207ff2e4806b370099_m.jpg

:-j

[XLjedi]

:rotfl:

[NefariousKoel]

Well Silent Hunter isint a action subsim. So Im thinking Enigma Rising Tide II or Dangrous Waters II.

But I do hope its SHV.

Ummm...

I'm pretty sure DW is more "sim" than "action". ;)

[John Channing]

Subwars 2150?

JCC

[Soundman]

To Bill Nichols.....:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously though, I think most of us would agree that Ubisoft is out of the picture for now. So, my two best guess' (and wishes) would be for Dangerous Waters 2 or Fleet Command 2. Both of which I purchased as soon as they were available. While Dangerous Waters continues to be great as well as popular, I was very disappointed that Fleet Command was not supported by the community as well as it should have been. I found it to be a very fun and immersive simulation and to my knowledge, there's not another simulation that gives the player the feeling of being a general situated in a war room, as Fleet Command did, with the possible exception of Harpoon. And I really can't speak for harpoon. I nearly purchased it at one time, but the reviews I read seem to get me the feeling that you spent more time mouse clicking than dealing with the existing situations. As a matter of fact, maybe harpoon would be my third choice in the hopes that they may make it a little more user friendly. Whatever the outcome, let us all be thankful that any simulation is continuing to be developed.

[FIREWALL]

My guess is WE ALL GOT OUR CHAIN PULLED :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good One Neal :up:

[ASWnut101]

I bet it will be either:

A) Dangerous Metal Tubes, a sim in creation by select DW fans here
B) ERT:2 (Sink the Hood?)
or
C) A Sonalysts Game (Fleet Command 2?)

[Onkel Neal]

Mr Stevens...

Could you please give us a rough timeline for when you will be able to spill the juicy gossip please?

You know, 1 week, 1 month.... 1 HOUR!!!

;)

Elphaba

I've got my spy in the field, if he makes it back alive, I estimate a week.

Or less.

[Chock]

Okay here's my other guess:

'Sink the Developer!' - An action game/submarine sim that announces it is in production with a flashy website promising a list of features that encompasses everything including the kitchen sink, only to disappear when the bugs cannot be worked out before the backers get cold feet and drop it in favour of their back up plan... Bravo Delta Zulu Combat Assault Squad - a cheesy Gulf War-themed side scrolling shoot em up which goes on to sell three copies, before being ported to a console as a budget title.

:D Chock

[dingod]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b8/250px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg

At the end of the Wikipedia artice on The Turtle...

On 3 August (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_3) 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) three men were stopped by police while piloting and escorting a replica of the Turtle within 200 feet of the Queen Mary 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_2) without authorization at New York City's Red Hook Brooklyn cruise ship terminal. The replica was created by New York artist Philip "Duke" Riley and two men from Rhode Island, one of whom claimed to be a descendant of David Bushnell.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_%28submarine%29#_note-0)

lol Queen Mary 2!

[cruiser2132]

I'd say one of the Enigma guesses was closest. They had a Bismarck expansion in the works, once.

[nikimcbee]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b8/250px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg

just imagine the the TDC mods for the turtle!:rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

:hmm: Okay here's my other guess:

'Sink the Developer!' - An action game/submarine sim that announces it is in production with a flashy website promising a list of features that encompasses everything including the kitchen sink, only to disappear when the bugs cannot be worked out before the backers get cold feet and drop it in favour of their back up plan... Bravo Delta Zulu Combat Assault Squad - a cheesy Gulf War-themed side scrolling shoot em up which goes on to sell three copies, before being ported to a console as a budget title.

:D Chock

:rotfl: :hmm: :rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

http://www.joecartoon.com/games/6

Here's the beta:cool:

[denis_469]

http://www.joecartoon.com/games/6

Here's the beta:cool:

:rotfl:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

http://www.joecartoon.com/games/6

Here's the beta:cool:

MEIN GOTT!
now i need somthing to get that terrible thing out of my head :doh: :rotfl:

[Skybird]

I'm hearing whisperings of a sequel to a well-known subsim action game. Some of the veteran dev team will be returning to create the game. More details coming....
See, that google earth image of the submarine's propeller at least has motivated somebody to show that propellers can be done better! They are going to mod the US Navy, that is my guess. The Navy even cannot manage to get those blades straight. Was about time they asked UBI how they could improve their platforms.

[klh]

I was hoping for Destroyer Command II....

:yep: Yeah, DC2 would have been my wish too.

[codmander]

expansion pak for das-boot------ sh3:rock:

[fausterwwii]

Subwars 2150?

JCC

That'd be cool. That was actually a fun game.

[Orion Shadow]

Dont think I've seen anything here for a 688 LA 2

[hobnailboot]

(putting on tin helmet and heading/running for the bunker).....something by X1:rotfl:

[Officerpuppy]

No no no....I know what's it going to be.

A new sub game by Rockstar Games.

Your newbie in a drug smuggling ring and you've recently been given command of a drug smuggling sub, your mission, make money, deliver the goods and sink the competition by any means nessary. You can make call at different drug lairs, sneak into enemy sub pens and stuff like that.

Plus you can custimize your character with new clothing, better guns, hire more exeprienced crewmen, preff people who survived against the US costguard, and don't forget being able to "pimp" out your drug smuggling sub, give it a new color scheme, add all the latest techology drug money can buy, even name it! :rotfl:

[Marka Ragnos]

Sub Command 2 or Dangerous Waters 2 with silent hunter 4 graphics and and and and *drools*

[sqn40slippky]

Does this mean another super dooper pc purchase..........? mine wont entertain SH4!!!!!! A real disappointment.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

My guess is "Bass Pro Shops: Trophy Bass 2008" :smug:

[Sailor Steve]

just imagine the the TDC mods for the turtle!:rotfl:
If you gain enough renown you get an extra flotation cask. Of course the first game year is spent building the thing. Not much of a dynamic campaign.

"Captain, ship...um, log...um, something in the water, sir!"

[u48]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm SH5 Would be nice.....AS A BRITISH SUB !....You could play both theatres, against the Germans and the Japanese. All is in place already with SH3 and SH4. If not, give us Destroyer command 2......Salute !

[fgsr1969]

well weve seen it from the german side weve seen it through american scopes perhaps we will see it form japans point of view.

[Razman23]

I dont know what the title would be but the plot of the game is that you have to save the princess while a large ape rolls barrels at you. :smug:

[melendir]

Action sub game.....

My guess would be "Grand Turtle Boat"...
Featuring "Little people" who use submarine builded from Turtle's shield/hide/skin (whatever) to pursue the ever cruel Sea Bass Warriors of Marias Pass.

Even close? :o
Hopefully not... why "action sub game" :cry:
Why not "ultimate hyper realistic 688/Sub Command/Dangerous Water" sequel :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Sub game eh? Let me date myself - GATO 2! :D

Or how about Seawolf 2?

Red Storm Rising 2?

Harpoon 2653?

Ticonderoga 2? (I could only wish)

For real though - I wish it to be Fleet Command 2

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Subwars 2150?

JCC
That could be entertaining too! I'm still holding out my vote on Gato 2 though!

[Flick]

Oh I think I got it...... :D

Remake of Silent Service and for those that are not familiar with the orginal game you can download it from here for free... However it's only in 16 colors.

http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/silent-service.php

:lol:

[Hawk U-375]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b8/250px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg

just imagine the the TDC mods for the turtle!:rotfl:


Don't laugh it's been done.....:doh: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-submarine0803,0,1508669.story

[Jhereg]

Hopefully it will be an update of GNBNA with subs modeled also, I neeeeeed an updated GNBNA:yep:

I look at SH4 and can see the potential for a Naval Sim along those lines.

[nikimcbee]

My guess is "Bass Pro Shops: Trophy Bass 2008" :smug:

Now, with depth charges!:rotfl:

[d@rk51d3]

I'm hoping for Revolutionary War era submarine combat!

Just imagine crawling up at less than 1 knot to a naval ship and spending minutes boring through to the hull to plant an explosive keg which might blow you up too if you didn't get away fast enough!

Awesome! :know:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b8/250px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg
just imagine the the TDC mods for the turtle!:rotfl:

That and the number of joysticks required to operate the unit...... 2 to drive the screws, another for the drill / auger. You'd be sweating in no time.

(anybody who's played "America's Cup" on the C64 will know what I mean. They were joystick snapping good times!)

[Kapitan_Phillips]

(anybody who's played "America's Cup" on the C64 will know what I mean. They were joystick snapping good times!)

I was more of a Track and Field fan. Yes, I'll get arthritis, but I can still hurl a 16bit colour shotput further than you. :rotfl:

[Marka Ragnos]

i'm pretty sure it's dangerous waters 2, sonalysts are having new titles under development!

[Deamon]

ERT 2

[Razman23]

i'm pretty sure it's dangerous waters 2, sonalysts are having new titles under development!

A cross between DW and Harpoon? Only with nicer graphics?

[TwistedFemur]

Captain NEMO

[Kapitan_Phillips]

i'm pretty sure it's dangerous waters 2, sonalysts are having new titles under development!

But if we are to take Sage Neal's description of "action", that might not work. I wouldnt classify DW as an action game :p

[The General]

Personally, I think that a true subsim has to set the player aboard a Submarine for the majority of the sim. I've never played Destroyer Command, but from the title I'm guessing you're aboard a Destroyer atleast half the time, making it a Destroyer sim, not a SUBsim. Dangerous Waters is a Naval sim, not a Subsim. So, that should narrow it down a little, but I think Neal still refers to any game featuring a submarine, as a 'Subsim', bless his polyester socks.

As most people who voted in my poll will know, I would like to see a new Cold-War era Subsim, but I would be happy with any new dedicated Submarine simulation.

[Henchman]

How about it be.... DAS BOot The game!





Das Boot already exists. :D

http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=280

I hope there´s no sequel to this...


I loved this game... Good old Amiga! Yes, it was just a series of missions versus a campaign, and it may not have been 100% simulation material, but still - it was not an arcade game by any means. The graphics were awesome (for the time) - a true 3D world. It even had real 3D icebergs. It was way ahead of it's time. There are more screenshots here. (http://www.lemonamiga.com/?mainurl=http%3A//www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php%3Fid%3D1695)

Anyway, not to stray from the topic, my money is on a new "Janes" EA simulation probably something 688(i) ish.

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was a pretty cool game
however, there was Tankers, Cargos, Freighters, hell a bunch of 'em!
then there were the destroyers, 2 classes. depth charging was none or not threatning.
toropedoes weere fast an furious, though.
no naval ships, except destroyers.

many hours of my yhoouth were spent playiong this gam,e.

subsim.com is my favorite communication to reality:doh:

[SUBMAN1]

Oh I think I got it...... :D

Remake of Silent Service and for those that are not familiar with the orginal game you can download it from here for free... However it's only in 16 colors.

http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/silent-service.php

:lol:
That game was way advanced over Gato. Gato I think was the first sub sim, but I could be wrong. 4 color graphics were phenomenol! :D

http://www.subsim.com/images/gato2.jpg

http://www.subsim.com/images/gato1a.jpg

This was the first sub simulator for a personal computer. The graphics were very limited, CGA with stick figures for ships, of which there were five enemy types. Although it simulated Gato class subs, there were only four bow torpedo tubes available. All functions were generated by the keyboard (mouse? what's a mouse?). The mission area was very limited--a group of islands in the Pacific, which was subdivided into 20 "quadrants". You pressed the "M" key for new missions and they were transmitted by Morse code. You were instructed to keep in mind "the enemy may break Allied code at some point. Some messages may be enemy fakes designed to trap you." How's that for early efforts at realism? Resource management was one of the game's subtler features. Your primary strategic objective was to complete as many missions as possible with the supplies you carry before returning to the quadrant where your subtender waits.
Gato was the Pong of submarine simulations. When the first players encountered Gato, you can imagine they thought it was pretty significant. They had to start somewhere.



Spectrum Holobyte 1983 4.77 MHz, CGA, 128K RAM, 5.25" disk

[Flick]

Oh I think I got it...... :D

Remake of Silent Service and for those that are not familiar with the orginal game you can download it from here for free... However it's only in 16 colors.

http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/silent-service.php

:lol:
That game was way advanced over Gato. Gato I think was the first sub sim, but I could be wrong. 4 color graphics were phenomenol! :D

http://www.subsim.com/images/gato2.jpg

http://www.subsim.com/images/gato1a.jpg

This was the first sub simulator for a personal computer. The graphics were very limited, CGA with stick figures for ships, of which there were five enemy types. Although it simulated Gato class subs, there were only four bow torpedo tubes available. All functions were generated by the keyboard (mouse? what's a mouse?). The mission area was very limited--a group of islands in the Pacific, which was subdivided into 20 "quadrants". You pressed the "M" key for new missions and they were transmitted by Morse code. You were instructed to keep in mind "the enemy may break Allied code at some point. Some messages may be enemy fakes designed to trap you." How's that for early efforts at realism? Resource management was one of the game's subtler features. Your primary strategic objective was to complete as many missions as possible with the supplies you carry before returning to the quadrant where your subtender waits.
Gato was the Pong of submarine simulations. When the first players encountered Gato, you can imagine they thought it was pretty significant. They had to start somewhere.



Spectrum Holobyte 1983 4.77 MHz, CGA, 128K RAM, 5.25" disk





I believe you are right about GATO being the 1st sub sim. I totally forgot about that game. (CGA) graphics:rotfl: compared to what is out there now.

[Sea Demon]

i'm pretty sure it's dangerous waters 2, sonalysts are having new titles under development!
But if we are to take Sage Neal's description of "action", that might not work. I wouldnt classify DW as an action game :p

Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but both DW and Fleet Command have alot of action in them. And DW is a subsim, but alot more too. I would agree that DW can't be termed as an "action" game. But a Fleet Command 2 fits the bill hopefully. We'll see........:up::D

[donut]

Heres having hope:sunny: UBI is not as corrupt as they have made themselves appear:down: ,& the devs are straight up,as they appear.:up:

[frenzied]

I'm guessing ERT2, but hoping for a sequel to Subwar 2050. That was a very fun game, very different.

[NefariousKoel]

I'd wish for another Fleet Command .. or even numerous others.

My intuition tells me it's another Rising Tide, which would be the last choice on my long list. :shifty:

I'm not getting my hopes up since the word "action" already popped out like an abortion on the end of a rusty clothes hanger. :doh:

[con20or]

I guess for CAOD3, with wolfpacks. :rock:

God how I want wolfpacks.:arrgh!:

So lonely...:cry:

[Snakeeyes]

Ahm waiting to see who can come the closest with wild-ass guesses :cool:
It's a three-way tie between Viking Rafter 2, SUBROC Algae Killer 2, or Seawolf Vs. Greenpeace 2.

I'm hoping for the third personally.

[Syxx_Killer]

The wrod "action" continues to hit me upside the head. My first thought, and continued thought, is that it is an Enigma Rising Tide sequal. Hopefully I'm wrong because ERT never appealed to me, but I guess we will see, huh? :yep:

[Linton]

Sub Command 2 with every playable sub you want with silent hunter quality graphics.
It will also include air attacks by flying pigs!

I would really like to see an RN version of SH-I could pretend to be myself!!:D

[peewee]

Silent Service XXXVVIIIIIII for the Amiga 96000000+ (the game will be on 354 floppy disks and have a 2000 page instruction manual)

[Packerton]

Neal woulden make such a deal out of it if it wasent Aces of the Deep 2!

OH PLEASE BE TRUE.

[d@rk51d3]

Neal woulden make such a deal out of it if it wasent Aces of the Deep 2!

OH PLEASE BE TRUE.


That gets my vote.:rock:

[Syxx_Killer]

Neal woulden make such a deal out of it if it wasent Aces of the Deep 2!

OH PLEASE BE TRUE.

That would be absolutely amazing if it were true. I spent ALOT of time with CAOD back in the day. I loved the theme music. Would sure be cool if they were making another AOD and also had updated theme music from the old one. :rock:

[D'biter]

Sub Command 2 with every playable sub you want with silent hunter quality graphics.

it would be pretty cool, to have a modern sub sim with good graphics

[XanderF]

Only thing I could possibly think:

Silent Service III (but the SS series was only Pacific, and we just got ShIV, so...unlikely)
New Sonalysts sim (688i/Sub Command/DW successor...however, these games have done progressively worse in market each release, so...unlikely)
Red Storm Rising II (Cold War rather passe anymore, so...unlikely)

...and now for...

Aquanox (best guess, and heck, it's already in development (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/aquanox/index.html?tag=result;title;0))

[UglyMowgli]

and how about Ship Hunt II for PDA?
for me steel tide 2 : the return of a new hope.

[XLjedi]

Hey would someone mind waking me :zzz: when there's actually an announcement on this thread... I had to unsubscribe.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

SILENT STEEL 2


:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

[Garion]

OOH... been cleaing out the attic and found my old copy of Subwar 2050 by Microprose.. :cool:

It was an action sub game :)

Cheers

Garion

[Janus]

Hunt for Red October II for NES.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

SILENT STEEL 2


:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:


You really bummed us Captain :shifty:

[stuntcow]

Sub Battle Sim 2. Can remember spending many hours playing that one. That was when it was a jump up from Gato.

[Perseus]

Pfff.

This is *********g boring.

Neal, if you've got something better besides 'well-known' game, such as a name, please spill it.

With the subsim genre in dire waters as it is these days I don't really see why you would have to make this a guessing game. We subsimmers are at the very bottom of the barrel as it is, anyway.

So please, if you have info: spill it. If you do but can't cos you made a promise or something: pretty stupid cos you now have everybody racked. And you *still* need to come forward.

[hachiman]

Pfff.

This is *********g boring.

Neal, if you've got something better besides 'well-known' game, such as a name, please spill it.


As Smokey sung "I second that emotion!"

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Pfff.

This is *********g boring.

Neal, if you've got something better besides 'well-known' game, such as a name, please spill it.

As Smokey sung "I second that emotion!"

make that 3
:shifty:

[UglyMowgli]

And the winner is :

http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/public/html/se_jutland.html

http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/public/Images/Jutland/Jutland%20Screens/Jutland_Batch_01_03_250x188.jpg

Projected Release: Late Summer - Early Fall 2007

[donut]

SOON !, ONKEL Sir:huh:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

SILENT STEEL 2


:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

You really bummed us Captain :shifty:


I'd gladly watch another set of those outtakes from disk 4.

*grabs underwater phone*
"USS Submarine!"
*returns underwater phone*

"Its a big boat that went by!"

:rotfl:

[THE_MASK]

When you say its on the horizon , would that be a 8km or 16km horizon ?

[FAdmiral]

When you say its on the horizon , would that be a 8km or 16km horizon ?

Thats hard to say, most Dev Teams still think the Earth is flat !!!

JIM

[Onkel Neal]

When you say its on the horizon , would that be a 8km or 16km horizon ?

I would say, the Thursday horizon :ping:

[Flick]

:sunny: Thursday! :)

[Flick]

When you say its on the horizon , would that be a 8km or 16km horizon ?

I would say, the Thursday horizon :ping:

Forgot to ask :damn: will it be stat playable at wpl? :D

[SUBMAN1]

I believe you are right about GATO being the 1st sub sim. I totally forgot about that game. (CGA) graphics:rotfl: compared to what is out there now.

But ya know? It was still fun!

[SUBMAN1]

K - getting bored with this thread. Are you going to tell us already Neal? Or are you waiting till Thurs?

-S

[FAdmiral]

:sunny: Thursday! :)

NO, I have had plenty to drink already !!

JIM

[Kaleun Klink]

My bet's on the famed "lost" SH: Silent Hunter 3.5 -- Milk Cow! The rigors of keeping station! The tension of resupplying fighting boats! The pride of knowing "job well done"!

[fxn]

I wouldn't mind having a Seawolf sequel. Was my first naval sim back in the day, drew me into playing sims.

[sniperdoc]

God... I hate re-surfacing this old post... but since I'm new to the community and never heard the answer to the thread's original question, I guess I'm curious...

But, I would like to put in my two cents about a Sub Sim that I'd love to see with SH4 type graphics and sounds...

688 Attack Sub for the PC by John W. Ratcliff (Electronic Arts)

I remember I had a patch that came with the game... and I'm not talking a patch you install to update the game... it was a real patch you could sew onto a jacket/shirt/etc... :rock: :sunny:

But, I remember shortly after (more like 9 years later), 688i Hunter/Killer came out, and I loved that game... there still is no game anywhere close that has the immersive environment that this game provided. I loved sitting at the Sonar station and just listening for contacts... That was what made me join the Navy and want to become a Sonar technician, but alas, I wasn't/am not a U.S. Citizen, and so I became a FMF Corpsman... heh... either way... I loved what I did.

Anyways... it'd be great to see a more up to date 688i or maybe even a Akula Simulator with the sounds and graphics of SH4.

I'd love to see biological contacts again... really being able to hear Torpedo tube doors opening... etc... that'd be great.

Sniperdoc

[nikimcbee]

I found the answer:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i16c1ed3bf76536b4c669651706799643
:rotfl:
You will be sucked into a 486 computer, and must fight for survival on the high seas in Sid Meyer's Silent Service. When you are sunk, you really are sunk!:arrgh!:

[tomagabriel]

Tihs can be any knid of sub sim as lnog as it is abuot modren subs.:yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Don't make me come over there!!!!:x:x:x:x:x

Tell us already!!! Please?

-S :stare::stare::stare::stare:

[Onkel Neal]

Don't make me come over there!!!!:x:x:x:x:x

Tell us already!!! Please?

-S :stare::stare::stare::stare:

http://www.subsim.com/graphics/subman.jpg

[kiwi_2005]

Avon was wrong GOOGLE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!

[chopped50ford]

I would like to see a Virginia class sub simulator...

Not to highjack the thread but, Anyone know of any good battleship or DD (destroyer) type sims out there?

[FlyingThermos]

Red shirt crew member never comes back alive. Is red some kinda hint?

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Red shirt crew member never comes back alive. Is red some kinda hint?

:hmm:
find all sub game's wich have the word red in it.
we might find it then

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[FlyingThermos]

There a sequel to the book Red Storm Rising? If there is then maybe that's the answer. But i'm reaching as I never read RSR or played the game.

[goldorak]

Lets hope its a Cold War subsim. :smug:
The market is already saturated to death with WW II games.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Lets hope its a Cold War subsim. :smug:
The market is already saturated to death with WW II games.

buy Panzers Phase 3 ;)

[NefariousKoel]

God... I hate re-surfacing this old post... but since I'm new to the community and never heard the answer to the thread's original question, I guess I'm curious...

But, I would like to put in my two cents about a Sub Sim that I'd love to see with SH4 type graphics and sounds...

688 Attack Sub for the PC by John W. Ratcliff (Electronic Arts)

I remember I had a patch that came with the game... and I'm not talking a patch you install to update the game... it was a real patch you could sew onto a jacket/shirt/etc... :rock: :sunny:

But, I remember shortly after (more like 9 years later), 688i Hunter/Killer came out, and I loved that game... there still is no game anywhere close that has the immersive environment that this game provided. I loved sitting at the Sonar station and just listening for contacts... That was what made me join the Navy and want to become a Sonar technician, but alas, I wasn't/am not a U.S. Citizen, and so I became a FMF Corpsman... heh... either way... I loved what I did.

Anyways... it'd be great to see a more up to date 688i or maybe even a Akula Simulator with the sounds and graphics of SH4.

I'd love to see biological contacts again... really being able to hear Torpedo tube doors opening... etc... that'd be great.

Sniperdoc

Ummm... Sniperdoc? You're joking, right?

You do know that there's been two newer versions of 688i with more playables?

Check the Dangerous Waters/Sub Command forums here. :shifty:

[sniperdoc]

Sorry I'm draggin' this OT...

I was aware of Sub Command: 688/Seawolf/Akula but didn't know if they increased the eyecandy any...?

Plus, I couldn't play 688i on XP anymore... didn't recognize the Soundcard properly. So, I didn't want to buy it and then have compatibility issues. Just FYI... I am an IT Geek, so I've dealt with situations like this and quite frankly don't wanna mess with the Autoexec's and Config files... Blaster=220 etc... eeech!!!

What's the other Subsim?

[geezer29]

Microsoft SubSim X? :-? -- Geezer

[FIREWALL]

Microsoft SubSim X? :-? -- Geezer

Welcome geezer29 That's as good a guess as any. Maybe Microsoft wants to get into the act with a SubSim.

[Deep6]

USS Hyman Rickover ?

The red shirt guys name was Ricky in the description.

Isn't it Thursday somewhere in the world already? :lol: :damn:

[XanderF]

There a sequel to the book Red Storm Rising? If there is then maybe that's the answer. But i'm reaching as I never read RSR or played the game.

There is no sequel to that, BUT...

...well, there is no saying that the 'sequel' game couldn't be a re-imaging of the first title. I mean, it's not like 'Silent Service', 'Silent Service II', 'Silent Hunter', and 'Silent Hunter 4' aren't all covering the exact same material 4 times.

And with UbiSoft - one of only 2 companies anymore making sub sims - having such a great deal of luck with anything branded 'Tom Clancy', a subsim/action game 'Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising' might do VERY well in the market.

[SteamWake]

"Barbies pretty dolphin.. friends for life" :know:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Microsoft


The first word you ever post on this forum and its that :rotfl:

Welcome aboard :arrgh!:

[KypFisto]

You'd think that after a week at least some other inkling of a hint might work its way down to the masses.

[Bill Nichols]

USS Hyman Rickover ?

The red shirt guys name was Ricky in the description.

Isn't it Thursday somewhere in the world already? :lol: :damn:

That would be USS Hyman G. Rickover.

:ping:

[Deep6]

That would be USS Hyman G. Rickover.

:ping:

That is what I get from cutting and pasting from another site. lol :up:

[CDR Resser]

ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH ... ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

Come on Ornery Ole Onkel Neal. Surrender the pink!!!!!!
A little hint wouldn't kill you, would it.
The suspense is killin me.

CDR Resser

[Onkel Neal]

You'd think that after a week at least some other inkling of a hint might work its way down to the masses.

It has now.
Ok, here are the details from Tesseraction Games:


Tesseraction Games has a new owner.
Enigma: Sink The Hood is officially in pre-production.

This time out we are working to increase the playability of Enigma as a command simulation and a ship simulation; with a new host of ship simulation features. Imagine a difficulty slider with Enigma 1 on one end and Aces of the Deep on the other: that's the goal.

We will be using a state of the art rendering engine, a well known 3rd party physics engine, and support for joysticks and proprietary controllers.

What's going to be different about E2 vs E1?

- No hardware copy protection
- Multiplayer
- TAG will host servers
- Players can host servers (current plan is for 16 players)

- Terrain with Harbors, Ports, Facilities, and emplacements.

- Crew and Officer representation

- massive upgrade to graphics; particularly the ocean and ocean effects

- There will be no difficulty setting this time round, only realism settings: this will include items like reload times, required equipment operations (like hydrophones...), contact plotting, and radio useage.

- Ability to run silent

- no Time Compression and no "edge of battle" placement. Distance traversal will be handled like SWOTL and other games (warping available while out of range of any contacts).

- Drills and training will make a difference to performance of officers and crew

- Improved (and historically accurate) fire control systems (ships)

- Extended voice recognition systems (E1 was cited as having best voice recognition in any game by multiple reviewers) and voice response.

- comprehensive support for the modding community; everything from ships, instruments, controls, sky, clouds, terrain, fauna, structures, audio, all the way to particle effects.

There is much more to come, watch for announcements here at Subsim.

[CDR Resser]

Hey, what do you know, it worked.:rotfl:

[FlyingThermos]

That's cool with me. I enjoyed ERT a lot and a version with more realistic weapons and tactics modeling is something I would enjoy a lot. I just hope there is some sort of simulated dynamic campaign. The only thing I didn't like about ERT was doing the missions over and over again tell you did it just right and completed it.

[Janus]

No time compression = no dynamic campaign
What do you think?

[Flick]

:hmm: Enigma 2


Destroyer Command II would have been a nice Thursday morning surprise. :)

[Marka Ragnos]

http://www.jeuxvideo.fr/images-enigma-rising-tide-sink-the-hood-1955-0-0.html

a few screenshots!

[goldorak]

It looks very promising.
Now my little rant : why do we have ANOTHER WW II sim ? :shifty:
Lets see a little bit of courage and start making games that explore the cold war era. :|\\

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:

[PhantomLord]

Yeah...me too

I´ll go and search for my good old Destroyer Command. :)

[dcb]

Any word about a scripted or dynamic campaign?

[Syxx_Killer]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:

Ditto. :dead:

[bradclark1]

- Multiplayer
We've heard that before.:arrgh!:
I'll get it though unless it's above my specs.

[SUBMAN1]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:

I'll have to concure. I already have enough WWII garbage. Getting tired of it.

-S

[EAST]

We aren't yet prepared to release details on this, but the campaigns will be handled very differently from Enigma 1. I can say that rather than the randomized variables approach to dynamic missions, we are looking at a dynamic environment approach; the world goes on with or without you.

FYI: We create WWII related games because we love the era.

[hyperion2206]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:

Dito:dead:

[Apeboy]

Hey East,

Man, you got some sticktoitiveness. Congrats on being able to get your project back on track!

If there has been one aspect of naval sims that has been ignored it is surface combat. I for one am looking forward to it. Good luck.

Will Sink the Hood be exclusively the RN vs. Bismarck or will we see some US vessels as well?

[KypFisto]

I was hoping for a modern day subsim but I suppose I'll check this one out if they release a demo for it.

[XanderF]

EAST (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=210890) vbmenu_register("postmenu_644827", true);
The Old Man
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/dasboot_capt.jpg

Join Date: May 2002
Location: Eugene, OR. USA
Posts: 1,344


Huh.

Eugene, huh?

Man, after Sierra shut down the Tribes team, I wasn't aware there WERE any game developers still working down there! Geeze, if I'd known a subsim developer was in the area.... :damn:

(AKA, Greetings from PDX!)

[The Noob]

Dont be so pessimistic, it does sound pretty good, especially if they get something like a dynamic campain. Even if its not top notch, i want to remind you that the SH3 dynamic campain sucked, but the modders made it "pwn", and if this game has the same modding potential, it could turn out even better than SH3.

[FAdmiral]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:

And yet another decision before all the facts are in !!
Remind me NEVER to be under your command.....

JIM

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:
And yet another decision before all the facts are in !!
Remind me NEVER to be under your command.....

JIM

ok. you can be my WO (they used die in every patrol)

and i didnt like Enigma anyway :shifty:
i prefer SH2 or 1914 Shells Of Fury above that game :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

I'll give it this - if ships with big guns can be under my command (ones that I can shoot of course), then I'd have to say that maybe I might just like it. If its another subsim only like SHIII, then well, I've had enough of WWII in this regard.

-S

PS. A good Destroyer model will change my mind for sure. Like Destroyer Command in a modern form!

[FAdmiral]

i will skip this sim...:shifty:
And yet another decision before all the facts are in !!
Remind me NEVER to be under your command.....

JIM

ok. you can be my WO (they used die in every patrol)

and i didnt like Enigma anyway :shifty:
i prefer SH2 or 1914 Shells Of Fury above that game :yep:

Well, to be honest, I didn't like or buy the first Enigma either.
But maybe, just maybe, this new version will be something that
I really like and would buy. I certainly HOPE so but time will tell
once I hear/see a lot more about it....

JIM

PS. MORAL: I will keep an open mind !!

[Sea Demon]

Even though I was hoping for something from the Sonalysts developers, I think this game sounds compelling. I never got the first version of Enigma. I'll have to look into it. What they intend to do with this second in this sim series sounds like it will be entertaining. When they finish this new game, I'll buy it.

[NefariousKoel]

Sorry I'm draggin' this OT...

I was aware of Sub Command: 688/Seawolf/Akula but didn't know if they increased the eyecandy any...?

Plus, I couldn't play 688i on XP anymore... didn't recognize the Soundcard properly. So, I didn't want to buy it and then have compatibility issues. Just FYI... I am an IT Geek, so I've dealt with situations like this and quite frankly don't wanna mess with the Autoexec's and Config files... Blaster=220 etc... eeech!!!

What's the other Subsim?
Check out Dangerous Waters, it's the newest that also adds playable Perry class FFs, Russian and Chinese Kilo SSs, Seahawk helos, and P-3 Orions. There's not a whole lot more eye candy over SC but it's much better than 688i by quite a ways.


Sorry for the OT, but the second Enigma is worth keeping an eye on. I won't make any hasty decisions. Some form of dynamic campaign is needed in any sim and the "warp-to" option is good (if it's still dynamic).

[SUBMAN1]

Even though I was hoping for something from the Sonalysts developers, I think this game sounds compelling. I never got the first version of Enigma. I'll have to look into it. What they intend to do with this second in this sim series sounds like it will be entertaining. When they finish this new game, I'll buy it.

The first version was infected by StarForce - my main reason for not buying it. I see they say no hardware copyprotection on this new rev however. THis is fine with me as long as its not infected by SecureROM which in my opinion is now worse than StarForce ever was. They have totally flubbed up BioShock with SecureROM, making it a candidate for the worst game release in history. They said they were making a patch to remove SecureROM from BioShock, but I haven't seen it yet. I do see a crack to remove the SecureROM, but I still don't think I want to purchase BioShock until I get something official. To do otherwise is to support this sort of garbage. Now I'm rambling....

-S

[goldorak]

The first version was infected by StarForce - my main reason for not buying it. I see they say no hardware copyprotection on this new rev however. THis is fine with me as long as its not infected by SecureROM which in my opinion is now worse than StarForce ever was. They have totally flubbed up BioShock with SecureROM, making it a candidate for the worst game release in history. They said they were making a patch to remove SecureROM from BioShock, but I haven't seen it yet. I do see a crack to remove the SecureROM, but I still don't think I want to purchase BioShock until I get something official. To do otherwise is to support this sort of garbage. Now I'm rambling....

-S

Not at all. I have the exact same feelings regarding intrusive copy protection schemes.
It took me 2 years to finally buy SH 3, that is until they released a non starforce official version.
I sadly passed over Bioshock because of the "activation" scheme.
If I buy a product, I'm entitled to install it as many times as I want to, even 10 years from now.
Something that with the present copy protection is not possibile.
How hard is it to learn from Stardock, or from THQ who released COH without copy protection.
Or even Supreme Commander whose copy protection was officially eliminated after some patches.
Same thing with Epic and Id games.
I find it a nonsense to piss off your legitimate customers, you know the guys that actually spend those 40-50$ to buy the game. :shifty:

[SUBMAN1]

Not at all. I have the exact same feelings regarding intrusive copy protection schemes.
It took me 2 years to finally buy SH 3, that is until they released a non starforce official version.
I sadly passed over Bioshock because of the "activation" scheme.
If I buy a product, I'm entitled to install it as many times as I want to, even 10 years from now.
Something that with the present copy protection is not possibile.
How hard is it to learn from Stardock, or from THQ who released COH without copy protection.
Or even Supreme Commander whose copy protection was officially eliminated after some patches.
Same thing with Epic and Id games.
I find it a nonsense to piss off your legitimate customers, you know the guys that actually spend those 40-50$ to buy the game. :shifty:

Yeah - that is one thing that ticks me off about BioSHock to no end - suppose 10 years from now and I want to run it for old times sake, and they no longer have an activation server running? How is that benefitting me exactly? The pirates still have their cracks and can play fine, but I'm out in the cold. I'm still ticked by that.

-S

[Lego]

hey guys :D I'm new here, but I used to post on the old Tides Of War Enigma forums, and then on the Deep 6 Enigma forum (which seems to be taken down?)

Anyways, I was wondering....

any more concrete/recent news about ERT: STH? because I cant wait to get my hands on it!! :rock:

[Marka Ragnos]

I look forward to a trailer :)

I havent played any other Enigma game, but i will keep an eye on this one.

[EAST]

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Huh.

Eugene, huh?

Man, after Sierra shut down the Tribes team, I wasn't aware there WERE any game developers still working down there! Geeze, if I'd known a subsim developer was in the area.... :damn:

(AKA, Greetings from PDX!)

Actually there were 5 or 6 that started out of Dynamix just before and after the closure:

Garage Games
Fireline
Buzz Monkey
Bravetree
Tesseraction Games
Pipeworks

Looks like we'll be re-locating our offices from here, but we've been here for 6 years.

[GlobalExplorer]

- Multiplayer


LOL


- Ability to run silent


Like in ERT or for real?

[Rick Martin]

OK, been reading all these comments and you're all wrong except for a few who came close. Its the "Turtle" powered by cold fusion and armed with Mk. 48 ADCAP torps. For surface actions the gun is a M1911A1 .45 cal pistol. Seriously, WW1 with the quality of SH3 GWX, or Cold War fast attacks, boomers, Akulas, Typhoons etc. Not really too interested in another arcade style game like ERT. I can get that kind of action down at the pistol range. :rotfl: :arrgh!: Rick Martin

[CB..]

i agree with folks...re copy right protection gizzmos and other strange activation clauses...

a little while ago i found Half Life 2 "episode one" at the local supermarket..so i gave them the thirty quid...got it home installed it...and found i could not play it..(i was NOT ALLOWED to play it..quite deliberately in fact..prevented from playing it..)
UNTILL i went online to download a multiplayer engine add-on and no doubt a load of other "interesting artifacts".....eventualy even tho i had no interest at all in multiplayer...boredom got the better of me and i went online to download the neccessary "load of old bollocks".....and to add insult to injury...the damn stuff wouldn't download correctly after three or four abortive attempts..i gave up...put the game disc in it's box....walked over to the rubbish bin....took the lid off and threw the idiotic game into the bin.....

being a moody blighter this is what i decided to do..
no regrets at all....it's NOT the first game nor will it be the last that i do this too...

notice tho there were no conditions on Valve getting my money lol
i didn't say they can only access the money if they first come round and polish all my shoes.....or redecorate my lounge...some game companys seem to actualy believe the sun shines out their a***

[caymanlee]

a combination with Fleet Command and Dangerous Waters ,upgrade graphics better than SH4 , would be the idealest guess:rotfl:

[Nats]

I always preferred Silent Service over Silent Hunter. So my wish would be for Silent Service 3 and for it to be set in the Atlantic but including all the imortant features missed out of SH3 like wolfpacks, proper sea currents/navigation, underwater life, better damage effects and more exciting death-throes etc

[C DuDe]

You'd think that after a week at least some other inkling of a hint might work its way down to the masses.

It has now.
Ok, here are the details from Tesseraction Games:


Tesseraction Games has a new owner.
Enigma: Sink The Hood is officially in pre-production.

This time out we are working to increase the playability of Enigma as a command simulation and a ship simulation; with a new host of ship simulation features. Imagine a difficulty slider with Enigma 1 on one end and Aces of the Deep on the other: that's the goal.

We will be using a state of the art rendering engine, a well known 3rd party physics engine, and support for joysticks and proprietary controllers.

What's going to be different about E2 vs E1?

- No hardware copy protection
- Multiplayer
- TAG will host servers
- Players can host servers (current plan is for 16 players)

- Terrain with Harbors, Ports, Facilities, and emplacements.

- Crew and Officer representation

- massive upgrade to graphics; particularly the ocean and ocean effects

- There will be no difficulty setting this time round, only realism settings: this will include items like reload times, required equipment operations (like hydrophones...), contact plotting, and radio useage.

- Ability to run silent

- no Time Compression and no "edge of battle" placement. Distance traversal will be handled like SWOTL and other games (warping available while out of range of any contacts).

- Drills and training will make a difference to performance of officers and crew

- Improved (and historically accurate) fire control systems (ships)

- Extended voice recognition systems (E1 was cited as having best voice recognition in any game by multiple reviewers) and voice response.

- comprehensive support for the modding community; everything from ships, instruments, controls, sky, clouds, terrain, fauna, structures, audio, all the way to particle effects.

There is much more to come, watch for announcements here at Subsim.




Does this mean they inlisted the ROW team?
And I see Tater & Seeadler got new jobs as well

:rotfl:

[oscar19681]

I,m so dissapointed another wwii sim? I rather stick with sh-3 and all its mods and tweaks. There is no need for another wwii sub/ship sim. I dont understand why they dindt give modern subs a go for a change.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

I,m so dissapointed another wwii sim? I rather stick with sh-3 and all its mods and tweaks. There is no need for another wwii sub/ship sim. I dont understand why they dindt give modern subs a go for a change.

couse some ppl dont like modern subs ;)

i prefer a WW2 sub myselve

[aurgolo]

Subs from WW2 were simple and poor in technology in comparison to new subs era.
This means that subsim related to WW2 are playable and easy to handle (more or less).

Good that they are coming out with a new title in the WW" scenario.

I cannot wait...

[dean_acheson]

Given the way Enigma was, probably a 50s type game, with WWII going on, having started in 1948 after Germany finished up it's naval buildup, and Roosevelt's naval plans came to fruition.

Guppy type boats, no nukes, but good sonar and radar.

There is your wild ass guess.

[Seeadler]

And I see Tater & Seeadler got new jobs as well
yes I have a new job in the entertainment business as a C++ dev but not this project:)

[EAST]

Given the way Enigma was, probably a 50s type game, with WWII going on, having started in 1948 after Germany finished up it's naval buildup, and Roosevelt's naval plans came to fruition.

Guppy type boats, no nukes, but good sonar and radar.

There is your wild ass guess.

In Enigma WWII started in 1937.

[dean_acheson]

Whoops, forgot about that, but does it follow that an Enigma II would have to follow the same story line at Enigma I?

[EAST]

The Enigma design is to follow alternate history until we end up with a completely different political, economic, and scientific landscape (highly unlikely), or we have an eventual convergence (with some differences) of events back to a history resembling the one we are familiar with.

Chapter 2 follows the events immediately after Chapter 1. "Sink The Hood" is the title of the story. This is where some of the ships that haven't been seen in Enigma before will come in; the first carriers, Cruisers, Battleships. You can still choose submarine or surface, and any of the 3 factions to play.

[NiclDoe]

Why cant it be a WWI sub sim with all nations that had subs at the time and you can play as those nations. Like Germany would have good subs like SOF but add US and UK subs.

[biosthetique]

There is a WWI sim, it's called "Shell of Fury" and it does as well as Silent Hunter #1.
A remake of SHIII with SHIV techs. would be aGa a wet dream!

[genen]

That is why I get games via STEAM... the don't have the crappy protection in place. You don't need a DVD to play the game that way, and if you rebuild your PC all you need to do is re-d/l the game and install. Way better than purchasing a DVD

Even though I was hoping for something from the Sonalysts developers, I think this game sounds compelling. I never got the first version of Enigma. I'll have to look into it. What they intend to do with this second in this sim series sounds like it will be entertaining. When they finish this new game, I'll buy it.
The first version was infected by StarForce - my main reason for not buying it. I see they say no hardware copyprotection on this new rev however. THis is fine with me as long as its not infected by SecureROM which in my opinion is now worse than StarForce ever was. They have totally flubbed up BioShock with SecureROM, making it a candidate for the worst game release in history. They said they were making a patch to remove SecureROM from BioShock, but I haven't seen it yet. I do see a crack to remove the SecureROM, but I still don't think I want to purchase BioShock until I get something official. To do otherwise is to support this sort of garbage. Now I'm rambling....

-S

[Cakewalk]

Wonderful, i've been hoping the sequel would be continued.:D This is great news, along with the fact none of that worthless copy-protection is in the sequel. I still have yet to get Enigma 1 to work on Vista due to that copy-protection.

[siffert]

I purchased the UK version of Enigma 1 which had no starforce copy protection.

[CaptHawkeye]

Now you get to have the experience of playing one of the most disappointing naval sims ever made?

Enigma is by no means bad. It's just that it sells itself waaaaay short. What with scripted missions and all.

[kiwi_2005]

Now you get to have the experience of playing one of the most disappointing naval sims ever made?

Enigma is by no means bad. It's just that it sells itself waaaaay short. What with scripted missions and all.

Well enigma did not have realism in mind, I enjoyed playing that game first eye candy naval sim i came across before SH3 came out there was no better looking naval sim than Enigma as far as i know. The sub interior was rubbish but the external views was something else. I still reckon even today Enigma has the best ocean effects better than SH3 & 4. I prefer rolling waves effect in these sims compared to choppy seas. I know i will get this new Enigma even if the realism will turn out to be zero.

[Task Force]

sounds intresting... :up:

[TheSatyr]

I don't think I would touch an ERT 2. I have too many issues with Tesseraction. Too many broken promises if not out and out lies.

[EAST]

Hate responding to a troll post, but...lies?

[Nexus7]

i'm pretty sure it's dangerous waters 2, sonalysts are having new titles under development!

How do you know that ?? Can you explain a little more please ? :)