depth charges...

[Steel_Tomb]

I was just play TM1.4 and I was wondering if the DC's have been toned down? They still seem a tad too powerful, much more than SHIII.

[Ducimus]

They have max radius of 15 (default is 40), and a depth percision of 18 (default is 5). Not too disimilar from Sh3 mods.

So yeah theyve been toned down. I upped explosion range so you'll feel the boat shake more when they're close, but that doesn't increase their damage, only the force/magnitude of the shockwave that rocks the boat.

What your probably REALLY seeing, is how much more accurate the DD's are in placing those ashcans in Tmaru. In terms of Evasion, ive sort of taken a NYGM approach. In otherwords, if your creeping along, thinking that klingon cloaking device will save you, and not doing any evasive manuevering, your going to catch one.

[Steel_Tomb]

The annoying thing was I was bellow a thermal layer at 1knt silent running, no active sonar either just BANG "diesels destroyed", "we have heavy flooding sir!" = blow ballast and dead.

[Ducimus]

What year, and what was the weather conditions?

edit: Just FYI, a thermal layer is not like a thermal layer in SH3 via SH3 commander.

A thermal layer in SH3 , was really just a sensor modification that cut the maximum depth a sensor could detect anything at a random depth. Sometimes 160, sometimes 230. After that point, the game was blind.

A thermal layer in SH4, is a SIGNAL STRENGTH REDUCTION. They can still hear or ping, but the strength of the contact will be lessened.

[PULSEOX]

I'm having a different experience with TM 1.4. that I find frustrating...I'm under the thermal layer- they stopped dropping charges....sound man is reporting warship bearing 010..moving away...

They keep moving away...there's no charges dropped-I'm above crush depth..and out of nowhere...pressure hull damamged, periscope destroyed. diesel damamged,etc,etc,etc.

Seems like it happens everytime I dive-whether they're finding me or not?

[Steel_Tomb]

41, but the sea state was pretty calm, I'm still getting used to the different measurements. Used to reading metres from my many moons playing SHIII. Was really miffed about getting killed, had a 16000 tonne carrier and two 9k tonne passenger liners sunk!

Going a bit O/T here, but can someone instruct me on the ways of calculating speed/AOB please?

[Ducimus]

Im still fine tuning the AI. (that is to say, its the accuracy of the DD's , and not so much the DC's) The mod isnt meant to be easy, but i dont want it momumentally difficult either. Im aiming for just "hard". Newer players to submarine simulations will be put off by Tmaru, because it really demands alot of knowledge on the part of the player.


As for measurments, yeah it takes some getting used to if your used to JUST metric. If you use a hodgpodge of the two (like we do in the US, and dont ask me why i really dont know why we do it, were just weird that way), its not so bad. I really like depth measured in feet, but prefer visual distances in meters. I wish i could have both at once :88)

edit:

speed. You can use the nomograph, or the 3 minute rule. Under the Imperial system, the time mark is 3 minutes instead of 3 mins and 15 seconds in metric.

[Raptor_341]

Can someone tell me why at 80m my pressure hull is breached by a single depth charge that is falling at LEAST 50m or more from the sub? Using TM 1.6.2 - 1000 pound charge of something? 8 partols, can't count how many aircraft i'd downed, junks, small ships, and even 4 DDs. Then sunk below the thermal layer after running silent, at 80 meters will one charge! And i saw the dam thing fall and explode from my OB scope. All this = blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die.

[Rockin Robbins]

Can someone tell me why at 80m my pressure hull is breached by a single depth charge that is falling at LEAST 50m or more from the sub? Using TM 1.6.2 - 1000 pound charge of something? 8 partols, can't count how many aircraft i'd downed, junks, small ships, and even 4 DDs. Then sunk below the thermal layer after running silent, at 80 meters will one charge! And i saw the dam thing fall and explode from my OB scope. All this = blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die.
If you're taking on planes and DD's you've doubtless taken some damage. Your submarine collects hitpoints, not reported as damage by your crew, which reduce your sub's depthkeeping ability and hull strength. Your hull was most probably reduced and 240 feet was close to your new crush depth. When the depth charge went off, it put you over the edge and "blow tanks, surface, fire deck gun, leave sub, die." Of course, you don't make it clear whether the depth charge killed you or you surfaced and were killed off by the guns of whatever was up there, you are not clear at all on what happened, so I am making some assumptions here that may not apply.

Unlike SH3 where you have god-like knowledge of your sub's status, SH4 is more realistic in that you do not know everything that is wrong. There are a couple of "cheater" programs, Damage Analyzer II comes to mind, that will analyse a save-game and reveal this hidden information.

[Raptor_341]

>> I was mad last night so you will have to disregard that last post. It was my 7th partol, just outside of turk. Late 1942. Samlon class. Seen by two subchasers, fired 4 eels, missed by a second. Dive the boat to at depth of 80m. ( I had taken no damage since the patrol had started, no contacts really even, one duel with a zero that i won without a bomb even hitting close ) So damage is out of the question. Subchaser starts a run, i'm well below the TL now, running silent. He starts charging at LEAST 200 m off the bow. I take a quick look in the OB scope to see if i can see anything at all, and i see a charge go off the forward bow, but it had to be at least 100 m away. 2 charges in total, one nothing, second all i can hear is we have heavy flooding. Pressure hull ripped open in at least 2 sections. I try to maintain depth and damage control for about 5 min, its a losing battle so i blow the main tanks and take her up. Seeing as there is no abandon ship option, i fire a few rounds from the deck gun in anger and then thats it...

I was killed by fire on the surface in answer to your question, but, why are the charges so powerful in SH4. I'm a GWX vet. SH4 is eazy vs. GWX, this is the first real time i took damage, and the last one. Also i am using TM 1.6.2.
Any ideas so is this just SH4?

[-Pv-]

I agree with rockin responding to the posts why I die with one hit or no hits and not at crush depth. Remember any engagement might produce hull damage you are completely unaware of. A depth excursion of only 1 ft below what your damaged sub can take will do you in. Those of you blowing ballast to save your boat- you know you can do that more than once right? With good crew and damage management, you can often buy yourself enough time to at least hold a shallow depth until it's safe to come up and run for port.
-Pv-

[tater]

Even stock DCs would do nothing at all at 100m. The range that they will shake your boat is only 50m, so if the boat shook, what you thought was at least 100m was actually under 50m.

I've been testing DCs a lot lately. Allowing, indeed encouraging them to attack me. I take no damage unless the ashcan is very close with TM values.

Perhaps the 2d charge shacked you? The DCs in SH4 (presumably 3 s well?) have no collider, so they can actually pass inside your hull and explode (there is no hull to them). Perhaps that was the issue, damage has got to be bad when that happens.

tater

[tater]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123307

a beta version up for testing. Feedback welcome, even solicited!

tater

[Rockin Robbins]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123307

a beta version up for testing. Feedback welcome, even solicited!

tater

I've always wanted to try some of your stuff, but only have as part of TM or ROW. Sign me on! Errrrrr.....after I plant this agent in Dalian and return to Pearl. I'm having trouble getting there since juicy targets are all over the place. Have 3 torps left and haven't planted the agent yet.

I've been experimenting with NOT going deep when attacked by escorts. I've been staying at periscope depth and just avoiding with great luck. I know they have my depth pegged because they shoot at my scope:lol:. Can a DD actually hit and damage a scope? I even did it (foolishly) within my 12 cruise campaign I have going. It just seems to me that the stock depth charges aren't too deadly. Maybe I'm just a genius captain, but I doubt it. And the last time I avoided at periscope depth the DD ran out of charges without scoring any detectable damage. A scan by damage analyser II said 50%. Not bad for over 100 DCs! And it left me with a still very capable submarine. I continued my mission without further incident.

[tater]

There are some AI issues to be sure. One problem with TM in that regard (RFB as well, actually) is that increasing the precision error has the unwanted effect of blowing the stern off escorts. Since my DCs are reduced in numbers and effect, I dialed the accuracy in closer to the stock 5m value. Combined with slower sink rates early war, there should be far fewer stern blow ups. In fact, I haven't seen any in a while.

For TM, this mod is actually a mod that makes the game EASIER, be aware. I'd tend to classify it as an optional mod to be used in lieu of some of the techniques suggested in the FAQ to reduce the AI sensor capabilities.

tater