Do you think there will be another SH game in the atlantic?

[Steel_Tomb]

I know the lads from the Atlantic sharks mod are making SHIV into the atlantic. But I was wondering if you guys thought Ubi might go back to the atlantic for "SHV". After the initial failure of SHIV there might not be another SH game, call it wishfull thinking. If you look at it though, there seem to be more people looking at SHIII + GWX than SHIV atm. Do you think that if Ubi did the next one right and actually finished it without a crazy amount of game killing bugs (VERY wishfull thinking I know lol) they would set it in the atlantic. I love the graphics in SHIV, but think the immersion and gameplay isn't a patch on SHIII modded to include GWX and a few other little bits and pieces.

[IrischKapitan]

I would love another atlantic SH. The ghraphics of SH4 and the gameplay of SH3
would be a perfect match, but as you said wishful thinking........

I'm more looking foward to GWX 1.04 at the minnute :yep::yep::arrgh!:

[STEED]

I lost count how many times that question has been asked. :rotfl:

[silentrunner]

I hope there will be another Atlantic silent hunter. I wish they would make an Atlantic version with allied subs.

[silentrunner]

I would love another atlantic SH. The ghraphics of SH4 and the gameplay of SH3
would be a perfect match, but as you said wishful thinking........

I'm more looking foward to GWX 1.04 at the minnute :yep::yep::arrgh!: I agree sh4 has out of this world graphics and sh3 runs incredibly great.

[Sailor Steve]

IF they were to release a new SH3 upgraded to SH4 graphics and gameplay standards, and IF the crew management was upgraded similarly, and IF the interiors were fixed so things were where they belong, and IF it were as moddable and adaptable as they are now, then I would certainly buy it.

If they did do it I'm sure that most of my other ifs would be there, since they've already done such a good job.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I just hope the series continues, where it takes place, doesn't really matter.


RDP

[Stealth Hunter]

Hell be damned before SH4's graphics come back. I have an 8800 Ultra, and the bastard lags like HELL.

[Takeda Shingen]

Hell be damned before SH4's graphics come back. I have an 8800 Ultra, and the bastard lags like HELL.

What's your CPU? How much RAM do you have? I run SHIV at max, and have yet to lag, even in port.

[Goose_green]

Not so much another Atlantic Silent Hunter, I would think they would/could do something a little more modern, maybe not with today's subs, maybe some form of Cold War type scenario something fictional like an expanded version of the submarine plot line from Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising".

[Stealth Hunter]

Hell be damned before SH4's graphics come back. I have an 8800 Ultra, and the bastard lags like HELL.

What's your CPU? How much RAM do you have? I run SHIV at max, and have yet to lag, even in port.

CPU is an Intel Core Duo AMD 64 4200+ Processors. RAM is 2048 MB HD and 360 GB.

[looney]

I don't know if atlantic in allied subs would be much fun. Hardly any axxis shipping around.

Only in the med.sea there was some action using allied subs. For the rest many unsucsefull missions ie no enemy shippings

[Stealth Hunter]

I think they ought to move to World War I... or start a game themed on SHIPS this time instead of subs. Perhaps make it World War I, though (Battle of Jutland, anyone?). Think of the cool ships there would be... AND the even cooler command room looks!

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i want a SH game with different campaigns for different ppl. like a German,Brittish,American AND japanese campaign. all fully detailed and most important FINNISHED :yep:

[Stealth Hunter]

BUT WHAT ABOUT FOCUSING ON SHIP WARFARE?! Think of it, it would be like the SH3 Crew Management screen, only a battleship, or carrier, or cruiser, or destroyer. Sinking would be even better!:stare:

[Sailor Steve]

An SH3/4-based ship game would be wonderful, but it would be a little odd to call it SILENT HUNTER.

[Takeda Shingen]

An SH3/4-based ship game would be wonderful, but it would be a little odd to call it SILENT HUNTER.

Perhaps we could order the Yamato to rig for silent running. The crew hoists the sails and everyone walks on tiptoe.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

An SH3/4-based ship game would be wonderful, but it would be a little odd to call it SILENT HUNTER.
Perhaps we could order the Yamato to rig for silent running. The crew hoists the sails and everyone walks on tiptoe.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Steel_Tomb]

LOL thats the best one I've heard this week. Would need some rather large sails to shift the yamato!

[silentrunner]

BUT WHAT ABOUT FOCUSING ON SHIP WARFARE?! Think of it, it would be like the SH3 Crew Management screen, only a battleship, or carrier, or cruiser, or destroyer. Sinking would be even better!:stare: Yes using a BB would be cool; there is Battlestations Midway but that game is not realistic enough to be a real sim.

[silentrunner]

BUT WHAT ABOUT FOCUSING ON SHIP WARFARE?! Think of it, it would be like the SH3 Crew Management screen, only a battleship, or carrier, or cruiser, or destroyer. Sinking would be even better!:stare: Yes it would be cool to be on a BB there is Battlestatons Midway but it is not realistic enough its too arcade like.

[S Rafty]

I dont think there will be. SHIV seems to have failed.

SHIII will always be a classic. If anything they will probs move onto ships.

[Jimbuna]

I fear there won't :cry:

[Brag]

Although it would be relatively easy for UBI to combine the graphics of SH4 and GWZ SH3, I doubt they'd do it. The same people who would buy the new game will keep buying SH-3.

It looks like SH4 bombed.

It is very doubtful we will see a new subsim/game for many years to come--keep Gwixing, it's as good as it will get.

[rascal101]

I'd love an Atlantic SH4 add-on, a chance for Ubi to make some extra dosh, without all the hype of a new game. All the hard core sub simmers would buy it, they wouldnt be able to help themselves, I know I couldnt!

Personally re ships I'd love to see a suface action sim, but I'm a tad perverse. I'd like to see how the latest graphics and game development could handle a decent fighting sail sim, based around the the Napoleonic Wars and the American War of Independance.

I'd love to see some decent ship modeling and a realistic career and game play, but you know what, I'll never ever see it........cos it games developers are loosing interest in new games. Last time I visited my gamer store there was virtually nothing new of interest to any one one over 10 yo -

Seems games developers are still firmly entrenched in the idea that games are for kids and geeks. There is so little to engage an active mind or at least some one who is not interested in the pap served up nighly on TV. Oh well there's my little rant, I feel better now!

Although it would be relatively easy for UBI to combine the graphics of SH4 and GWZ SH3, I doubt they'd do it. The same people who would buy the new game will keep buying SH-3.

It looks like SH4 bombed.

It is very doubtful we will see a new subsim/game for many years to come--keep Gwixing, it's as good as it will get.

[Takeda Shingen]

It would seem that most of the 'SHIV has bombed' crowd has not played 1.3+TM. It's a totally different game. Of course, there are a number of people on this particular forum who have never given SHIV a chance because it is not set in the Atlantic. Yet there are others that hold to this silly notion that it is a competition between GWX and SHIV, and that if you play one, that you are being disloyal to the other. Foolishness.

Flame away, but it's true.

[Stealth Hunter]

:down: :stare:

[Jimbuna]

It would seem that most of the 'SHIV has bombed' crowd has not played 1.3+TM. It's a totally different game. Of course, there are a number of people on this particular forum who have never given SHIV a chance because it is not set in the Atlantic. Yet there are others that hold to this silly notion that it is a competition between GWX and SHIV, and that if you play one, that you are being disloyal to the other. Foolishness.

Flame away, but it's true.

SHIV will come good....given time and modding effort. :yep:

It bloody well better had because I bought it!! :lol:

[Takeda Shingen]

SHIV will come good....given time and modding effort. :yep:

It bloody well better had because I bought it!! :lol:

:lol: True. I've got some cash invested in it as well. I also agree that it will be good as well, like SHIII. A lot of us have forgotten the latter's slow, and occasionally painful development. It was a long road (two years) to get to 1.4b + what will be GWX 1.4. As you know very well, great mods are always works in progress, and they take long hours to complete.

[Steel_Tomb]

I downloaded TM1.4, with the silent service mod plus a load of skins and small tweeks like a stealthy sub sound mod and it is a different game. I must say I am more inclined to play it for a week or so to give it a chance. But I will leave it for months when GWX 1.04 is released!

[S Rafty]

I'd love an Atlantic SH4 add-on, a chance for Ubi to make some extra dosh, without all the hype of a new game. All the hard core sub simmers would buy it, they wouldnt be able to help themselves, I know I couldnt!

Personally re ships I'd love to see a suface action sim, but I'm a tad perverse. I'd like to see how the latest graphics and game development could handle a decent fighting sail sim, based around the the Napoleonic Wars and the American War of Independance.

I'd love to see some decent ship modeling and a realistic career and game play, but you know what, I'll never ever see it........cos it games developers are loosing interest in new games. Last time I visited my gamer store there was virtually nothing new of interest to any one one over 10 yo -

Seems games developers are still firmly entrenched in the idea that games are for kids and geeks. There is so little to engage an active mind or at least some one who is not interested in the pap served up nighly on TV. Oh well there's my little rant, I feel better now!

Although it would be relatively easy for UBI to combine the graphics of SH4 and GWZ SH3, I doubt they'd do it. The same people who would buy the new game will keep buying SH-3.

It looks like SH4 bombed.

It is very doubtful we will see a new subsim/game for many years to come--keep Gwixing, it's as good as it will get.

American war of Independance (Second British Civil war :P) would be so interesting. Would be better though if it was Trafalgar etc. Chance to blast the French and rebels out of the water with a mighty ship of the line ^_^

But alas closest you'll get to that is Imperial Glory. I think there will be no decent sub sims for years now.


As for games that make you think. Armed Assault is pretty good...but allot of new games dont require much thought. Though the XBOX 360 looks like its going to get allot of decent thinking games. The new Bioshock for sure!

[rascal101]

I second this mans comment. Speaking as one highly critical of SH4, so much so I stopped sub simming for ages, couldnt fact the faults of either sh3 or 4, now the TM & 1.3 mod have reveresed all this, Im back in there and I never thought I'd say this, I am enjoying SH4, these mods plus one or two others have made it playable and enjoyable.

It would seem that most of the 'SHIV has bombed' crowd has not played 1.3+TM. It's a totally different game. Of course, there are a number of people on this particular forum who have never given SHIV a chance because it is not set in the Atlantic. Yet there are others that hold to this silly notion that it is a competition between GWX and SHIV, and that if you play one, that you are being disloyal to the other. Foolishness.

Flame away, but it's true.

[mstgnymike]

personally i think that an american silent hunter in the atlantic would be crap. First of all Germany didnt send commerce ships througout the atlantic like america, uk and a hell of other countries did so the first problem would be reduction of targets. So this leaves you with the only option of going after german warships and germany barely even had a surface navy. So in all you wouldnt have as much fun as you think you would.

[ramileous]

I think the next SH should allow us to sail submarines of any country, japan, USA, Germany, England, Italy etc etc. Allow us to play as destroyers too, i mean how hard could it be to add that feature? Okay, i am sure its hard but take five to ten years to develop the next game while we enjoy Sh3-4

Also expand the game period and make it so open ended that it allows for alternate scenarios (10% chance germany begins to win the war, 20% chance invasion of russia never happens) Let us play until 1954 even :rock:

Some may say "what, allied subs in the atlantic? How boring" But what may be boring to some may not be to others. What made the silent hunter series so great was its open endedness. Why not expand the possiblities even more and attract more buyers, win win for everyone.

[Stealth Hunter]

I think the next SH should allow us to sail submarines of any country, japan, USA, Germany, England, Italy etc etc. Allow us to play as destroyers too, i mean how hard could it be to add that feature?

That would be EXTREMELY time consuming. Just look at the detailed diagrams for crew management on SH3 and SH4. Probably took 4 months just to MAKE 1 drawing, and THEN they had to scan them and program them and tweak them and that whole deal must of taken about a year and a half entirely (thank god for multi-tasking).

Hopefully, we'll see a community mod that does allow you to control ships for SH3 in the future, because I'm fairly sure, with a community of IGN users at my knees, that SH4 doomed Ubisoft for at least the next 2 or maybe even 3 years in the Silent Hunter franchise. However, I'm also sure the idea has been brought up somewhere along the line and it's in the talks, but it's pretty unlikely to happen, as Ubisoft has never, and will never, be known for its generous negotiations with the gamers and also is a lazy cow, just like Lucas Arts has been for the past 3 years.

[rascal101]

Err I think you missed the point there, I want to go back to the Atlantic as a German, I want to be norty again!!

personally i think that an american silent hunter in the atlantic would be crap. First of all Germany didnt send commerce ships througout the atlantic like america, uk and a hell of other countries did so the first problem would be reduction of targets. So this leaves you with the only option of going after german warships and germany barely even had a surface navy. So in all you wouldnt have as much fun as you think you would.

[mstgnymike]

Err I think you missed the point there, I want to go back to the Atlantic as a German, I want to be norty again!!

personally i think that an american silent hunter in the atlantic would be crap. First of all Germany didnt send commerce ships througout the atlantic like america, uk and a hell of other countries did so the first problem would be reduction of targets. So this leaves you with the only option of going after german warships and germany barely even had a surface navy. So in all you wouldnt have as much fun as you think you would.

Oh of course i would love to go back as a boat kaleun:arrgh!: but for the ppl who want an American atlantic its just plain boring:shifty:

[Sailor Steve]

Oh of course i would love to go back as a boat kaleun:arrgh!: but for the ppl who want an American atlantic its just plain boring:shifty:
That's cool. When SH4 was announced a lot of Atlantic lovers said Pacific was boring. I want to see continual new versions of both.

But not for a while; I still have to get tired of these, and for me that could take years.:sunny:

[java`s revenge]

I only want to have a destroyer command for
sh3 and sh4.

[silentrunner]

I just hope the series continues, where it takes place, doesn't really matter.


RDPAMEN TO THAT

[Jimbuna]

The next one would ideally for me be the nuclear sub age (under the polar cap) SSN v SSBN :arrgh!:

[ramileous]

this world war 1 game coming out looks outdate already, but maybe the next silent hunter should be a beautiful sim for WWI subs? But then it might be boring since subs worst enemy was its own ship breakdowns.

[Sledgehammer427]

i had this crazy idea a long time ago...:hmm:
how about a silent hunter set on the future? or even the present, i would love to see the realism of sh3 and sh4 (combined) make it into todays setting, with americas new virginia class subs, the russians with their akulas and alfas and things. i think it would be cool to have a crew management screen with the menacing black steel tube. and make it completely dynamic (like,you command a typhoon and you get an order to tactically nuke washington dc or something, or maybe even go off and do it yourself)

thats what i think they should do, world war two is (generally) a fun era to play in, but the creators horizons should expand, silent hunter 4 is a better sh1, and sh3 is a better sh2, why not have Sh5 be like that?

[rascal101]

I just want a 'menacing black steel tube', Just think, if the Germans had had the 'menacing black steel tube' of doom, I recon the outcome of the war would have been a whole lot differenter

i had this crazy idea a long time ago...:hmm:
how about a silent hunter set on the future? or even the present, i would love to see the realism of sh3 and sh4 (combined) make it into todays setting, with americas new virginia class subs, the russians with their akulas and alfas and things. i think it would be cool to have a crew management screen with the menacing black steel tube. and make it completely dynamic (like,you command a typhoon and you get an order to tactically nuke washington dc or something, or maybe even go off and do it yourself)

thats what i think they should do, world war two is (generally) a fun era to play in, but the creators horizons should expand, silent hunter 4 is a better sh1, and sh3 is a better sh2, why not have Sh5 be like that?

[rascal101]

I guess I'll never see a fighting sail game, no one would have the patience to learn how to sail and how to fight, and with every one adicted to speed, such a game would be too slow for most....Woe is me!!

I'd love an Atlantic SH4 add-on, a chance for Ubi to make some extra dosh, without all the hype of a new game. All the hard core sub simmers would buy it, they wouldnt be able to help themselves, I know I couldnt!

Personally re ships I'd love to see a suface action sim, but I'm a tad perverse. I'd like to see how the latest graphics and game development could handle a decent fighting sail sim, based around the the Napoleonic Wars and the American War of Independance.

I'd love to see some decent ship modeling and a realistic career and game play, but you know what, I'll never ever see it........cos it games developers are loosing interest in new games. Last time I visited my gamer store there was virtually nothing new of interest to any one one over 10 yo -

Seems games developers are still firmly entrenched in the idea that games are for kids and geeks. There is so little to engage an active mind or at least some one who is not interested in the pap served up nighly on TV. Oh well there's my little rant, I feel better now!

Although it would be relatively easy for UBI to combine the graphics of SH4 and GWZ SH3, I doubt they'd do it. The same people who would buy the new game will keep buying SH-3.

It looks like SH4 bombed.

It is very doubtful we will see a new subsim/game for many years to come--keep Gwixing, it's as good as it will get.
American war of Independance (Second British Civil war :P) would be so interesting. Would be better though if it was Trafalgar etc. Chance to blast the French and rebels out of the water with a mighty ship of the line ^_^

But alas closest you'll get to that is Imperial Glory. I think there will be no decent sub sims for years now.


As for games that make you think. Armed Assault is pretty good...but allot of new games dont require much thought. Though the XBOX 360 looks like its going to get allot of decent thinking games. The new Bioshock for sure!

[drussxx]

its a great pity that when they brought out SH4. that it was not in the same format as SH3 with GWX. i love SH3. and was really looking forward to SH4.such a let down. if only they can expand on the SH3 format for the american and pacific theatre of the war. the graphics of SH4 are 1ST class.pity both could not be combined. then everybody will be happy.as for going back to WW1. submarines were extremley primitive then. making a game for that era would not be practable.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Of course there will. Silent Hunter V: The Kisers U-Boats. :rock:

[Fenris_Wolf]

To be honest I would like to command the Bismarck in the next whatever game as a commerce raider. It will be historically accurate too if the tommies manage to stop me (and if I happen to have enough explosives to scuttle my ship). :D

Just bring it :up:

And hello, first post :rock:

[Steel_Tomb]

i had this crazy idea a long time ago...:hmm:
how about a silent hunter set on the future? or even the present, i would love to see the realism of sh3 and sh4 (combined) make it into todays setting, with americas new virginia class subs, the russians with their akulas and alfas and things. i think it would be cool to have a crew management screen with the menacing black steel tube. and make it completely dynamic (like,you command a typhoon and you get an order to tactically nuke washington dc or something, or maybe even go off and do it yourself)

thats what i think they should do, world war two is (generally) a fun era to play in, but the creators horizons should expand, silent hunter 4 is a better sh1, and sh3 is a better sh2, why not have Sh5 be like that?

Ever heard of Dangerous Waters? Something simplified like SH series for that wouldn't work, as its all about reading waterfalls and sensors instead of periscopes etc wouldn't be right.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Welcome to SUBSIM:up: Fenris_Wolf


RDP

[HMCS]

I would really love to see a Japanese WW2 subsim. They had a fantastic array of different boats, Kaiten and the best damn torpedoes of the war. A number of them could launch a/c! Talk about fun.

The range of missions would also include resupply of distant bases, as well as fighting off the USN behemoth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Navy_submarines#B1_Type_.2820_un its.29

[madmike81]

Or maybe something like this:

The Normandy invasion is thrown into the sea and war drags on for another 5 years.

Why not just take a stab at how things would have went from there.

Axis Technology going through its paces, up against the ever increasing numbers of Allied ships.

You know...a kind of alternate history of sorts.

[Takeda Shingen]

Ever heard of Dangerous Waters? Something simplified like SH series for that wouldn't work, as its all about reading waterfalls and sensors instead of periscopes etc wouldn't be right.

Agreed. Modern submarine warfare is all about sensor performance, which the Sonalysts simulations do magnificently. The Silent Hunter series, which has always been more focused on gameplay, would not fit well with this type of hardcore simulation.

Also, I don't know how well this type of sim go over with the SH fan base. You're not going to be blowing the enemy out of the water in a modern or Cold War-era simulation. The routine will be:

Sprint, drift, deploy towed array, read narrow band, turn 90 degrees, read narrow band, return to base course, read narrow band, launch XBT, go the other side of the layer, read narrowband, turn 90 degrees, read narrowband, return to base course, read narrowband, return to original depth, read narrow band, retrieve towed array, repeat.

[Dowly]

Agreed. Modern submarine warfare is all about sensor performance, which the Sonalysts simulations do magnificently.

Well, they 'ought to! They do electronics for RL moderns subs too IIRC! ;)

[Takeda Shingen]

Agreed. Modern submarine warfare is all about sensor performance, which the Sonalysts simulations do magnificently.

Well, they 'ought to! They do electronics for RL moderns subs too IIRC! ;)

They can't give you everything, though. There are some aspects of the systems modeled that are used in the military training programs that are, for obvious reasons, not released in the public version.

[Dowly]

Agreed. Modern submarine warfare is all about sensor performance, which the Sonalysts simulations do magnificently.
Well, they 'ought to! They do electronics for RL moderns subs too IIRC! ;)
They can't give you everything, though. There are some aspects of the systems modeled that are used in the military training programs that are, for obvious reasons, not released in the public version.

Indeed, but what I meant was that even if the systems in DW arent the same as in RL subs, they work as they should. :up:

[HunterICX]

:D A Surface Sim build on the SH engine.

lets turn the table and blast the Uboats to bits with depthcharges.
or Hunt down the bismarck with the british King George battleship.
:yep:

[Dowly]

:D A Surface Sim build on the SH engine.

lets turn the table and blast the Uboats to bits with depthcharges.
or Hunt down the bismarck with the british King George battleship.
:yep:

[BastardModeOn]There's already a surface sim build on SH engine! SH2's engine, but you didnt mention which one you meant! Na Na Na Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :p[BastardModeOff]

[Jimbuna]

Welcome aboard Kaleun Fenris_Wolf :arrgh!:

pay no attention to the old far*s :lol:

[silentrunner]

The next one would ideally for me be the nuclear sub age (under the polar cap) SSN v SSBN :arrgh!:Yeah it would be great to command a L.A. class sub or a Typhoon.

[Steel_Tomb]

Although I'd love to see something like a Destroyer command 2, a surface ship isn't really "silent hunter" is it lol. BOOM BOOM BOOM go the main guns, "they'll never know we were here sir!" lol.:arrgh!:

[Jungmann]

All these posts about another Silent Hunter got me thinking. They release SH3, Modders make the Far east playable. They release SH4, modders are trying to make the Atlantic playable. So those that buy the games always seam to want to be able to play in other areas of the world and with different nationalities.

Wouldn't it be intresting if the developers instead of picking a nationality, just developed a subsim, which was designed like Microsofts flightsim. Where it is easy to add extra subs (in this case), play as any nationlity, where the models can be enhanced or added by modders? They could concenrate on making a very accurate naval enviroment spanning the whole worlld with a fully customisable career structure.

Just a dream, but perhaps oneday.

[Steel_Tomb]

I think the reason the atlantic sharks want the atlantic in SHIV is for the updated graphics engine. The problem with that vision, is that ubi would have released one sim, and then have no options to entice more people to buy future editions of the series. Remember Ubi don't give a sh*t about the community and how easy it is to mod their games. They just want the profit, even if it means releasing a game 2 or 3 months too ealy...*cough* SHIV! *cough*.