Heard it here first!

[dean_acheson]

"Turtle" discovered in New Jersey.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3444500&page=1

[Officerpuppy]

Thats not NJ :p But your right, when I saw it on the news earlier, the first thing that came to mind was turtle.

[dean_acheson]

That's funny. Sorry about the mistake. Reminds me of one time I was in a bar on Long Island, one patron, after making fun of the way I talked, asked me where I was from. I told her "Missouri," and she asked "isn't that by California?" I replied, "yes ma'am."

;)

[Oberon]

Hasn't anyone told them that HMS Eagle sailed out of New York decades ago? Or where they heading for the Queen Mary to strike a blow in the name of American independence? :hmm:

Good reconstruction of the Turtle though, I hope they release footage of the inside.

[waste gate]

More pix plus video. Amazing. These three fellas are in big trouble.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_215124825.html


“All three males are expected to be charged with a number of violations and both vessels will be secured by the Harbor Unit,” the NYPD said.

[bradclark1]

Philip Riley doesn't sound like Mohamed.

[waste gate]

Philip Riley doesn't sound like Mohamed.

More like Sinn Fein and the IRA. Remember them?

And since they were close to a Brithish flag ship......doesn't take much to put two and two together.

[bradclark1]

I haven't heard the IRA has a problem with the U.S..

[waste gate]

I haven't heard the IRA has a problem with the U.S..

But the Queen Mary is British.

[Heibges]

I think quite the oppostite. You know those Boston Irish. :)

[bradclark1]

I haven't heard the IRA has a problem with the U.S..

But the Queen Mary is British.
Think the inflatable that was with it gave the terrorist operation away? Politicians! Can't do a thing right.

[waste gate]

I haven't heard the IRA has a problem with the U.S..

But the Queen Mary is British.
Think the inflatable that was with it gave the terrorist operation away? Politicians! Can't do a thing right.

I think, unlike the islamists, the Irish know that there aren't 72 virgins waiting for them and don't have a death wish for themselves. An escape route is part of the planning. Thus the inflatable.

Perhaps that inflatable did give them away. I wasn't there and don't know.

[bradclark1]

I think, unlike the islamists, the Irish know that there aren't 72 virgins waiting for them and don't have a death wish for themselves. An escape route is part of the planning. Thus the inflatable.

Perhaps that inflatable did give them away. I wasn't there and don't know.
I would think that if it was a terrorist attack a scuba outfit with some plastique would serve much better then a hand cranked submarine with a hand cranked drill. I would also suspect that if it was a serious plot that the NYPD would be crowing about how a diligent officer thwarted a plot to sink the Queen Mary and I also suspect that the IRA would not do anything in America to cause ire with the government or risk alienating any purse strings that the Sinn Fein and the IRA have over here.

[waste gate]

OK, so it was a wakeup call. Why didn't these three tell someone (a news agency perhaps) about the 'turtle'?

[August]

OK, so it was a wakeup call. Why didn't these three tell someone (a news agency perhaps) about the 'turtle'?

Apparently the coast guard had previous dealings with them and their boat. They also have a website:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keylimecom/sets/72157600904315117/

[waste gate]

Then what is the issue? Why were they arrested and are facing charges?

I would expect them to be cleared within the hour.

[swifty]

All I can say is I feel so much safer now knowing the NYPD is able to defend against 18th century technology. I'm glad they confiscated the sub just think if plans for it showed up on the Internet that could create a negligible risk USS Constitution.

[Rilder]

Did it fire its torpedoes? :p

[Oberon]

Did it fire its torpedoes? :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Torpedoes? What are they?

[Hakahura]

Can't believe all the fuss this has caused.
People (NYPD) need to get some perspective.
If authorities over react to incidents such as this then terrorism has certainly won already.

[Tchocky]

Can't believe all the fuss this has caused.
People (NYPD) need to get some perspective.
If authorities over react to incidents such as this then terrorism has certainly won already. This kind of defeatism only emboldens our enemies.

I've stocked up on Bald Eagle brand Duct Tape, have you?

[Hakahura]

Not a defeatist attitude.

IMHO if you permit the terrorists to alter your life... then you lose.
They want to change your life, as a result of their actions... don't let them.
I mean you have to keep some perspective and not over react to evey little thing.

Yes vigilance is essential but not at the expense of liberty.
In a free society surely these things should be balanced?

Is it not the right of every madcap inventor/artist to sail his turtle without persicution?

[AntEater]

Funny, for such a crazy stunt we used to say "this sort of thing is only possible in America, it would be banned in Germany" Well, today it might make headlines here, and have some cops scratching their heads, but nobody would get arrested. Times change, it seems

[Reaves]

I wonder if they'll let them sail it in Guantanamo?

[joea]

Not a defeatist attitude.

IMHO if you permit the terrorists to alter your life... then you lose.
They want to change your life, as a result of their actions... don't let them.
I mean you have to keep some perspective and not over react to evey little thing.

Yes vigilance is essential but not at the expense of liberty.
In a free society surely these things should be balanced?

Is it not the right of every madcap inventor/artist to sail his turtle without persicution?

Psss: Tchocky was joking. :know:

[Hakahura]

Hmmm I was a bit slow there.

Sense of humour pop up blocker must have been enabled on my browser.

[dean_acheson]

Funny, for such a crazy stunt we used to say "this sort of thing is only possible in America, it would be banned in Germany" Well, today it might make headlines here, and have some cops scratching their heads, but nobody would get arrested. Times change, it seems

Oh, come'on Anty :)

They picked him up, he got drug down to the station, he go to court and plead guily to a operating a watercraft w/o a liscense or something and pay a 100 dollar fine. The guy was on a newscast at a bar that night. It isn't like he'll get charged with some kind of felony or something. Some PA is on the phone with a Coastie right now in New York laughing about this whole thing right now.

What I thought was funny was when I started this thread I didn't know that the dude was trying to build a replica of the Turtle, I just put that there b/c I thought that that was what it looked like. ;)

[swifty]

He should have never been detained and have property seized. NY law only requires water craft to be registered if it is motorized. Because it was human powered it is exempt. I appears the reason they mad such a big deal is because the NYPD screw up. It's there job to guard the harbor if they were watching closer they should have stoped him before he breached the security zone. He was a boater in destress and should have been towed ashore and give a warning.

[Puster Bill]

He should have never been detained and have property seized. NY law only requires water craft to be registered if it is motorized. Because it was human powered it is exempt. I appears the reason they mad such a big deal is because the NYPD screw up. It's there job to guard the harbor if they were watching closer they should have stoped him before he breached the security zone. He was a boater in destress and should have been towed ashore and give a warning.

Yep. And, because it is less than 14 feet long, you don't need to title the hull, either.

I can't even find a boo-boo under USCG regs: As long as they had a PFD for each person, they should be good to go. You only need lights, a horn, etc., if the craft is over 16 foot, or if you are operating at night or in a fog.

[August]

He should have never been detained and have property seized. NY law only requires water craft to be registered if it is motorized. Because it was human powered it is exempt. I appears the reason they mad such a big deal is because the NYPD screw up. It's there job to guard the harbor if they were watching closer they should have stoped him before he breached the security zone. He was a boater in destress and should have been towed ashore and give a warning.

Maybe he gave them a bunch of guff when they told him to move his butt out of the exclusion zone so they decided to run him in...

[dean_acheson]

The Coasties could have depthcharged him.

[August]

The Coasties could have depthcharged him.

But would it have come to a sea trial?