Why do we keep buying from these idiots?

[SUBMAN1]

More Chinese crap is on the market again:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aS2NWxBlHNUw&refer=asia

My question is, how much dangerous product gets through for the little we catch? I bet it is only something like 5% to 10% of the dangerous product is found! Or worse!

-S

[STEED]

Boycott China

Don't buy any of there stuff what so ever. :smug:

[SUBMAN1]

Boycott China

Don't buy any of there stuff what so ever. :smug:
I do! Tired of anything I buy from there only lasting a week or two.


Google is your friend! Not quite the type of picture I was looking for, but this will work:

http://www.byteland.org/boycottchina/boycott_made_in_china.jpg
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2r0AKoYNYdI-SM:http://www.byteland.org/boycottchina/boycott_made_in_china.jpg)

[STEED]

I need a bigger monitor to see that. :lol:

I got no time for China, after what I been seeing on the news this year about China. :down:

[sunvalleyslim]

I'm with you Subman and Steed. Their products are pure crap...........

[Safe-Keeper]

I need a bigger monitor to see that. :lol: I just imported one from China:yep:.

Seriously, though, I've been thinking of boycotting China for numerous reasons, including, but not limited to, their takeover of Tibet; their threats of invasion directed towards Taiwan; the Tiananmen Square massacre; the repression of free speech and thought; their brutal punishment for even minor crimes; their lack of free trials; their lack of regulations, which in turn means many workplaces such as mines are inhumane death traps; the Chinese process of turning democratic Hong Kong (as we know, it unfortunately became theirs again some time ago) into another puppet dictatorship, and the list goes on.

But as their goods appare to make up 99% of what I see in Norwegian stores... it'd be... slightly impractical to do so:cry:.

[Camaero]

It is quite hard, if not impossible to totally boycott China, but I always try to buy American or anything other than Chinese as it is.

:down:

[antikristuseke]

The metalworking company i work in has a competitor in china who allways seems to **** up their shipments. While bulk orders are given to china, since we dont have the capacity to make the same number of units (im not allowed ot go into too much detail with the products we make), so far we have had to pick up their slack every time, ofcourse more work and money for us, but its starting to become ridiculous. I have been working 12 hour or longer days for the past three months just to keep all our orders filled.

[HMCS]

Boycott China

Don't buy any of there stuff what so ever. :smug:

******* that!! Boycott freakin Wallmart and all those other A-holes for buying their crap in the first place.

Also Target, Sears and anyone else who does.

Ever try furnishing an Apt. without buying Chinese? It's tough. All your kitchen doo dads are made there. Lucky me-we have lots of upper-scale kitchen ware places around with fancy German and French kitchen gear ($350 for a La Crueset stewing pot, $25 for a silicone spatula), so I was glad to pay big bucks, and give it to Europeans instead of the Chinese.

Hey, I got my principles.

[bradclark1]

I need a bigger monitor to see that. :lol: I just imported one from China:yep:.

Seriously, though, I've been thinking of boycotting China for numerous reasons, including, but not limited to, their takeover of Tibet; their threats of invasion directed towards Taiwan; the Tiananmen Square massacre; the repression of free speech and thought; their brutal punishment for even minor crimes; their lack of free trials; their lack of regulations, which in turn means many workplaces such as mines are inhumane death traps; the Chinese process of turning democratic Hong Kong (as we know, it unfortunately became theirs again some time ago) into another puppet dictatorship, and the list goes on.

But as their goods appare to make up 99% of what I see in Norwegian stores... it'd be... slightly impractical to do so:cry:.
You forgot to mention the sale of organs from executed prisoners.

[P_Funk]

Seriously, though, I've been thinking of boycotting China for numerous reasons, including, but not limited to, their takeover of Tibet
Thank You! Nobody EVER remembers that one except for like Lisa Simpson and the Beastie Boys.:down:

[Sea Demon]

It's stories like this that continue to confirm to me that China will have problems in the future and will not be surpassing anybody economically in the long run. It's not enough that they have population problems, hardcore pollution and environmental degradation problems, their manufacturing sector is now showing it's true colors as an unreliable (and perhaps dangerous) place to import your consumer goods from. Many Americans, myself included have been advocating cutting off the Chinese way before any of these revelations came to fruition.

[P_Funk]

It's stories like this that continue to confirm to me that China will have problems in the future and will not be surpassing anybody economically in the long run. It's not enough that they have population problems, hardcore pollution and environmental degradation problems, their manufacturing sector is now showing it's true colors as an unreliable (and perhaps dangerous) place to import your consumer goods from. Many Americans, myself included have been advocating cutting off the Chinese way before any of these revelations came to fruition.


What I don't get is why is everyone so concerned with their economic transgresions. Why is it that Cuba is so evil that they don't deserve to trade with the rest of the world but corporations are allowed set up shop in probably the largest human rights violator in the world?

[XabbaRus]

The thing is if we boycott china that means a hell of a lot less things in the shops to buy and although I agree with the sentiment unfortunately most people won't see the point.

[Sailor Steve]

Boycott China

Don't buy any of there stuff what so ever. :smug:

******* that!! Boycott freakin Wallmart and all those other A-holes for buying their crap in the first place.

Also Target, Sears and anyone else who does.

Ever try furnishing an Apt. without buying Chinese? It's tough. All your kitchen doo dads are made there. Lucky me-we have lots of upper-scale kitchen ware places around with fancy German and French kitchen gear ($350 for a La Crueset stewing pot, $25 for a silicone spatula), so I was glad to pay big bucks, and give it to Europeans instead of the Chinese.

Hey, I got my principles.
This will include RCA, Phillips and most other 'American' electronics companies. Also Sony: a quick look at a PS2 box will say "Made in Japan, Malaysia or China".

[Sea Demon]

What I don't get is why is everyone so concerned with their economic transgresions. Why is it that Cuba is so evil that they don't deserve to trade with the rest of the world but corporations are allowed set up shop in probably the largest human rights violator in the world?

Agreed. We should not allow corporations to continue prop up the Chinese CCP, nor should we allow the enabling of any gross dictatorial human rights violators.

The thing is if we boycott china that means a hell of a lot less things in the shops to buy and although I agree with the sentiment unfortunately most people won't see the point.

I agree to a certain extent. But this decrease in consumer goods would be temporary. It would take some time, but you could move your manufacturing sectors to Latin America, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, etc. There are other low cost manufacturing alternatives. China is not the only ones that can manufacture and export cheaply. And even if my prices on consumer goods increased somewhat, I'd be happy that my money would not be propping up China's regime. I'd gladly pay more so they get less. Not to mention, their exports are becoming very undesirable. Low quality, and poisonous in some cases. No thanks. If it comes to getting tainted products or nothing at all......I'll gladly take nothing. The U.S. government should consider that the American people are thinking like this more and more.

[bradclark1]

What I don't get is why is everyone so concerned with their economic transgresions. Why is it that Cuba is so evil that they don't deserve to trade with the rest of the world but corporations are allowed set up shop in probably the largest human rights violator in the world?Because we have a large Cuban population that doesn't want the freeze lifted until Castro/regime is gone. It was brought up some years ago but so much hell was raised the idea was dropped.

[Heibges]

I don't know why I think this is so funny...

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart

[Reaves]

China, the land of opportuni... ahem I mean slave labour??


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/03/content_5447761.htm


31 more sentenced in slave labor case

By Xie Chuanjiao (China Daily)
Updated: 2007-08-03 06:45
A further 31 people, including four government officials, were sentenced on Tuesday for their role in the forced labor scandal in North China's Shanxi Province in June.
The officials - industrial and commercial department employees Wei Shihong and Guo Weimin, and police officer Xi Zhiqiang from Hongtong county, plus labor and social security worker Shang Guangze from Yongji city - were each sentenced to jail terms of between two and three years after local courts found them guilty of power abuse and dereliction of duty.
The Shanxi Provincial High People's Court sentenced 27 others, including brickyard managers and foremen, to jail terms of up to five years for their use of child labor and the physical assault of workers.
To date, 95 Party officials in Shanxi have been punished over the slave labor scandal. Some were expelled from the Party and removed from government posts, while others received disciplinary warnings for lax supervision and dereliction of duty.
Gan Yisheng, a spokesman for the CPC Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, yesterday said officials accused of criminal acts had been referred to the judiciary departments.
"As far as I know, all the trials concerning the slave labor scandal have been conducted in accordance with the law," Gan told a press conference in Beijing.
"Although most of the officials we have punished were of a low rank, we are very serious about settling this case, by disciplining and bringing to justice those found to be guilty.
"We are not trying to replace national laws with Party rules."
In mid-July, 29 suspects involved in the scandal were sentenced by local courts.
Zhao Yanbing, a worker at a brick kiln in Hongtong county, was sentenced to death after being convicted of beating a mentally handicapped man to death in November.
The kiln's foreman, Heng Tinghan, who abducted 31 people and forced them to work long hours without pay, was given life imprisonment; while kiln boss Wang Bingbing, who was found guilty of illegally detaining the laborers, was given a nine-year sentence.
The scandal came to light after more than 400 parents posted an online petition and turned to reporters for help to find their missing children, many of whom were kidnapped or cheated into working at the Shanxi kilns.
To date, more than 570 people, including 41 children, have been rescued in Shanxi and neighboring Henan Province, and nearly 160 people have been arrested, sources said.

[samniTe]

how are they idiots?


they make a KILLING off of us.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i get sick of you guy's. :stare:
you only think about the bad stuff. think on the good stuff to for crist sake.
where you think the good computer stuff comes from eh ? your ass ?
and those matchbox cars, kids love to play with them, most of the toys for kids is made in asia.

i agree those dolls are ugly. but think about it. how were you as a kid eh ?
you also liked to play with little cars or liked to have those dolls in your bed at night.
did you ever bothered about where they came from ? NO! you were a kid. you probaly didnt even know where Asia was

for adults they may sell pure crap. but do you play with it ?
the only thing you play with is a computer wich is made of parts MADE IN ASIA!

and now i post this reply before i puke

[Iceman]

I think it is very arrogant, or ignorant, to assume that all the current focus on Chinas
way of doing business has not been known for some time now...like it is some surprise that substandard crap is coming from them....crap in crap out, it is simple logic...I am not saying China is not smart on the contrary they appear to me to have they're **** together....make cheap,sell cheap and a buttload of it...it makes for a strong economy..for them....America is simply trying to slow the death of our own econmy by trying to slow the flood of cheap goods from them...any waywe can....that is survival instinct kicking in.

China is an Awesome country with great peoples and traditions and products.Imagine what the world could accomplish if we actually worked together instead of always competing.

[joea]

China is an Awesome country with great peoples and traditions and products.Imagine what the world could accomplish if we actually worked together instead of always competing.

:yep: Yea won't happen though. :nope:

[SUBMAN1]

The thing is if we boycott china that means a hell of a lot less things in the shops to buy and although I agree with the sentiment unfortunately most people won't see the point.
DOesn't really change anything for me. I specifically buy absolutely nothing from them. I get my hard drives from Signapore. I get my stereo equipment from America. I even check the made in label on my shoes! They don't get a penny out of my pocket, or rarely we should say - if something slipped by un-noticed.

The end result? I save money.

Why? My crap doesn't break and will last 20 years!

The point is, it is entirely possible to buy what you want made in other places. I even made sure my case fans in my system were made in Japan!

-S

[Heibges]

China is an Awesome country with great peoples and traditions and products.Imagine what the world could accomplish if we actually worked together instead of always competing.

:yep: Yea won't happen though. :nope:

We would have attained the Communitst Ideal?:D

[Iceman]

China is an Awesome country with great peoples and traditions and products.Imagine what the world could accomplish if we actually worked together instead of always competing.

:yep: Yea won't happen though. :nope:

We would have attained the Communitst Ideal?:D

Hey whatever works though right?...Don't throw communism into an idea of unity,dork.

[P_Funk]

i get sick of you guy's. :stare:
you only think about the bad stuff. think on the good stuff to for crist sake.
where you think the good computer stuff comes from eh ?
What crack have you been smoking? 2 months ago I bought a new flat screen LCD that was made in China. I plugged it in... worked for a few hours... then it died!

[samniTe]

china is gonna poop on us one day ];

[peterloo]

Being a Chinese, I feel that it is UNFAIR :down: if you only read a part of the story and start moroning or cursing others.

I'm not trying to hinder the problem. The problem EXISTS, and the contributers, I'd say, 50% Chinese 50% Westeners like you guys.
Read the essay below (by me) to find out the another part, yet often omitted part, of the story so you can have a full look at the problem

Recently days, EU and China has a heated debate concerning the quality of Chinese exported goods. EU claims that Chinese exported goods are unsafe in nature, and contains harmful substances which corrode away the Europeans’ health slowly and silently. However, Chinese government argues that they have already imposed a strict rule regarding the quality for goods for export, and their random checks have not discovered any problem of this type. In this essay, I will express my opinion about this issue.

From alpha to omega, Chinese goods are blamed for being unsafe and containing some banned chemicals. While this may be a truth or rumor, obviously, the deficient in the quality control of goods and the frequency of occurrence of problems puts the customers’ confidence at stake. Frequent reports of discovery of problematic goods also prove that there are differences between Chinese and Europeans’ ruler on the matter of product safety.

I strongly think that foreign merchant and cross-country cooperation heads are responsible for this trade crisis, instead of the scapegoat installed by them. You may wonder why? Let me tell you. Seeing the lower labour cost in China than in their home countries, foreseeing the opportunity lied below this ancient land, and meeting the moment when China opens its gate to welcome foreign investors, the factories owned by foreigners bloomed in China. Nowadays, quite a large proportion of Chinese factories are under foreign cooperation. In order to please the foreigners, the rules of regulations are not as strict as that of the Western countries, and thus, the investors can save millions of dollars every year. So, next time, before blaming the Chinese for being selfish and producing these goods, please do yourself a favour to blame those runners of the firms in China. Justice as the foreigners are famed, I’m sure you can figure out what is the truth and what’s the fallacy.

Wake up! Stay wise! Don’t be snared by the lies told by those irresponsible people. Remember, not only Chinese people should be blamed but the action done by the Western investors in China should be considered as well. It’s what we need to understand! That we all hope that a peaceful diplomatic relationship between China and Western countries is a fact, and we know those crises are sometimes inevitable. Fortunately, we can understand each other’s part of the story, and by this, we can build an unbreakable bridge overcome all the odds happening between us.

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You may agree, or choose not to agree. But please, be mature, be openly-minded, DON'T flame my post or Neal will lock this thread. Understand?

(Post colour changed due to request from Commander Joea)

[peterloo]

Arguments for possible "loopholes" in my essays

(1) Q: the factories found guilty for using toxic paints are run by Chinese NOT Westerners
A: Selfish as large cooperations like Disney are, they pay as little as possible to gain the maximum possible rip-off. The factories thus cannot affort to use better paints. Let say, if Disney pay $0.50 for each doll, how much can the factory spend on the paint? It's the Disney who gain the lion share of the total sales! Killing the customers by poison is definitely a perfect way to wand off customers, isn't it? Chinese arn't fools, are they? (Don't let me find a racist here) Why should we use these lead-containing paints, provided that there are enough input for the factory?(in terms of money)

[Reaves]

Arguments for possible "loopholes" in my essays

(1) Q: the factories found guilty for using toxic paints are run by Chinese NOT Westerners
A: Selfish as large cooperations like Disney are, they pay as little as possible to gain the maximum possible rip-off. The factories thus cannot affort to use better paints. Let say, if Disney pay $0.50 for each doll, how much can the factory spend on the paint? It's the Disney who gain the lion share of the total sales! Killing the customers by poison is definitely a perfect way to wand off customers, isn't it? Chinese arn't fools, are they? (Don't let me find a racist here) Why should we use these lead-containing paints, provided that there are enough input for the factory?(in terms of money)

:yep:

It certainly isn't the Chinese people I have a problem with. IMO they are robbed and used and it's the corporations and Chinese government who allow that to happen. Unfortunately areas with large population and high unemployment are great for manufacturers to gain low cost employees to make the goods, obviously they are tight in the materials used for those same products.

[Rilder]

I was just watching the news that was bitching about lead infected toys and I just noticed I have way to many of those lead poisoning symptoms... I'm dumb, irritable and can't remember anything... :p

[joea]

Excellent points Peterloo. Next time don't use white text as those of us with haylazblue can't read it easily.

[peterloo]

*Bump* (Keep my essay going)

Thanks for those Kaptains supporting me.

Kaptain Rilder, although that is part of the symptoms, it may not refer to lead-poisoning. You arn't dumb. I don't think your IQ is so low that one can call you a dumb. IF you think you've got a bad memory, or even a scatterbrain, stay clam, you may be just too nervous or overloaded with your daily work!

[Rilder]

*Bump* (Keep my essay going)

Thanks for those Kaptains supporting me.

Kaptain Rilder, although that is part of the symptoms, it may not refer to lead-poisoning. You arn't dumb. I don't think your IQ is so low that one can call you a dumb. IF you think you've got a bad memory, or even a scatterbrain, stay clam, you may be just too nervous or overloaded with your daily work!


It was more of a joke, but my memory does suck.

Hey whats my name again? :lol:

[fatty]

Being a Chinese, I feel that it is UNFAIR :down: if you only read a part of the story and start moroning or cursing others.

I'm not trying to hinder the problem. The problem EXISTS, and the contributers, I'd say, 50% Chinese 50% Westeners like you guys.
Read the essay below (by me) to find out the another part, yet often omitted part, of the story so you can have a full look at the problem


peterloo, as a Chinese-speaking Westerner, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

The Chinese government and manufacturers are certainly to blame for still allowing unsafe ingredients and labour to go into their products for export, but Western companies looking to take cheaper routes to save a few mill are equally to blame for continuing to funnel money into these cheaper yet irresponsible manufacturers. Somewhere in between there needs to be some serious quality control implemented.

The idea of lumping the entire nation of China into a category of 'idiots' is not really worth the effort of debating. I would suggest instead to boycott companies like Mattel whose CEOs can't live without 100ft yachts and ergo cut costs in operating budgets.

[SUBMAN1]

More toy recalls - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090401584.html?hpid=sec-business

-S

[bradclark1]

NBC news said tonight that the department that checks toy safety has been reduced to one tester for the entire country under the Bush administration. I guess that helps clear-up some of the whys.
To make matters worse the Elmo Tub Sub is one of the recalls.:huh:

[GlobalExplorer]

Dont get me started about China .. at parties I start yelling at people when everyone starts raving about how China will be the coming superpower and whatnot - and I keep telling that most Chinese I met were peasants - completely oblivious to western terms of taste, quality or even personal integrity and honor - how anyone can make comparison to the technological developments we have seen from Japan or Korea is beyond me! Apart from that the contemporary system in China is a perversion - a so called "communist" society providing infinite, cheap working power for a globalized capitalism of the 21st century.

I'm really tired of the hype we hear about this country. I predict their big crisis will come soon when nobody in the west wants to do business with them anymore (like many Asians who never really liked or trusted the Chinese), nobody lets them copy their technology anymore, and especially when their own workforce gets tired of the exploitation. Lets not forget this system is based on the backs of a billion of modest working slaves. As soon as they start demanding just a little bit of their share the social unrest should grow and become unstoppable in the end. I mean have you seen how these people live and work today? I am not talking about office workers in the emerging zones, I am talking about the other 90% of the population that create the riches for the other maybe 10%.

[bradclark1]

completely oblivious to western terms of taste, quality or even personal integrity and honor
Since when would that have anything to do with how many guns you have? Unless they have a second revolution they will become a superpower like it or not and they've shown they can be savage to their own people.

nobody lets them copy their technology anymore
One of the big problems with China is that legal doesn't stand in their way when they can steal it or buy the means to get it. Ask our last president and our aero-tech industry.

[Swede]

I need a bigger monitor to see that. :lol: I just imported one from China:yep:.

Seriously, though, I've been thinking of boycotting China for numerous reasons, including, but not limited to, their takeover of Tibet; their threats of invasion directed towards Taiwan; the Tiananmen Square massacre; the repression of free speech and thought; their brutal punishment for even minor crimes; their lack of free trials; their lack of regulations, which in turn means many workplaces such as mines are inhumane death traps; the Chinese process of turning democratic Hong Kong (as we know, it unfortunately became theirs again some time ago) into another puppet dictatorship, and the list goes on.

But as their goods appare to make up 99% of what I see in Norwegian stores... it'd be... slightly impractical to do so:cry:.

HO LE FCK!

What is your effin problem.

You would seriously boycott a countre because they dont play a democratic game? Thats ridicilous. And whats this free tibet BS? Read up a bit, Tibet is a lot better off under chinese rule, and their healthcare,education and unemployment have all improved. Now as some of you may now, im not exactly Mr Commie lover, but when i hear pathetic sniffeling like this i cant help myself.

Yes made in china stuff is sh1t, but its cheap. the only reason anyone could legitimately boycott china is so that our own people would have jobs, and to strenghten the european/american economies.

PS, quit whining and being so leftist/liberal, get some balls or ill send Karl XII back over

[Camaero]

Swede blows my mind.

[The Avon Lady]

Swede blows my mind.
Hot air will do that to you. :yep:

I agree with Safe-Keeper and can sum his post up in one simple sentence:

I could if I would but I can't so I won't.

[peterloo]

Someone bumped aged topic to the surface... a blow ballast?

You've got the right to boycott the Chinese products, I know, but I know that you dared not, for your purse's own good sake.

I'm not trying to hinder the problem, as IT EXISTS

made in china stuff is sh1t, but its cheap
If they are that annoying, trash 'em, buy American one. Don't let me find you own any Chinese products, as they stinks as faeces in your mind...
again, please don't collectively label all of them as <bad language> as this is some sort of racism. It's just like calling all Chinese are idiots, as what the poster had done. I perfer milder language so that we can make a discussion.

the Chinese process of turning democratic Hong Kong (as we know, it unfortunately became theirs again some time ago) into another puppet dictatorship, and the list goes on.

They arn't surpassing democracy in Hong Kong. I live in Hong Kong, so I know much more than you know. I know that Hong Kong's democracy is developing in a well-manner. Of course, there will be others posting silly story in order to damage our dignity..

In fact, it's impossible for them to stop democracy, like the failure to stop the new ideas like nationalism once the enlightenment had begun in the West just prior to French/American revolution. This idea (nationalism) had a huge impact on the world, uniting Italy/German, caused World Wars, ...

Again, for the toys problem. The problem exists, but it seems that some of the political leaders like Hillery uses it as an aid, to increase their prestige for the upcoming election, and the problem seems to be exaggerated by folds deliberately.
We need to co-operate in our quest to a solution, NOT restless blames or discriminations. Please read what I've posted a month ago before you start your complaint(page 2, yellow texts)

Finally, please don't make any additional comment on commonism. That's meaningless, as we know, we can't change it. Also, please stop cursing China's rising power. That's also meaningless. If you wish to catch up, you need to work hard. I'm afraid that nobody will wait for you if you're lagging behind in developments.

[The Avon Lady]

Spot the contradiction. First:
They arn't surpassing democracy in Hong Kong. I live in Hong Kong, so I know much more than you know. I know that Hong Kong's democracy is developing in a well-manner. Of course, there will be others posting silly story in order to damage our dignity..
Then:
Finally, please don't make any additional comment on commonism. That's meaningless, as we know, we can't change it.
:hmm:

[Skybird]

Why am I not surprised by Swede not really being concerned about mass murder (of over one million people), mass torture, genocide and ongoing anihilation of a complete culture, labelling all that as "being better off"...

-----

And the message of Peterloo, summarized:

Do not oppose communism, it is useless.

Do not oppose China, it is useless.

The party systematically trying to cut back initial democratical structures in Hongkong and hindering democratic condidates is a lie. Do not oppose the party. Democracy does well in Hongkong.
Actually, international business men more and more often tend to disagree, but don't care as long as the dollar rolls.

If you don't do like <see above>, you oppose Chinese dignity.

Well, actually I hold Chinese culture in high respect, and personally owe quite a bit to it, concenring my education, though being aware of it'S centuries-long stagnation and stasis before the europeans arrived and confronted them and took advantage of their frozen helplessness. But the age of cultural dignity in China ended when the party took over, and Mao Tse Tung started to orchestrate one of the greatest mass killings in history. so my respect and hope is with the old roots of Chinese culture, that it has the potential to rise again and overcome this current communist stigma. The present status and orientation I explciitly exclude from my respect for China. Like I also exclude the giant crime it commits in Tibet.

[GlobalExplorer]

nobody lets them copy their technology anymore
One of the big problems with China is that legal doesn't stand in their way when they can steal it or buy the means to get it. Ask our last president and our aero-tech industry.

Everybody knows that they have no reservations to copying anything right now. What interests me much more is what the rest of the world can come up with in order to prevent copying of technology / ideas in the future. Right now nothing can be done about it, but when there is a big problem like people who steal everyones ideas and give nothing in return then the others will look for a solution until they found one.

Like personally, I never allow a Chinese to ever get to see anything of my work if I can avoid it. I've had my fill of them at fairs - they did nothing but ask questions, take pictures of our booth and did not even pretend they gave a **** about what we were doing.

[Swede]

If they are that annoying, trash 'em, buy American one. Don't let me find you own any Chinese products, as they stinks as faeces in your mind...
again, please don't collectively label all of them as <bad language> as this is some sort of racism. It's just like calling all Chinese are idiots, as what the poster had done. I perfer milder language so that we can make a discussion.

I didnt say i wouldnt buy chinese, in general its a tradeoff between price and quality. And whats with the stinks like feaces in your mind bit... If you want milder language, study english a bit more and then get back to me.

Heres my card,

*throws petepoo his made in china buisness card*

[GlobalExplorer]

I agree no one should say Chinese are idiots, but this was meant more towards your leadership, and in that context I would agree.

If they are that annoying, trash 'em, buy American one. Don't let me find you own any Chinese products, as they stinks as faeces in your mind...
again, please don't collectively label all of them as <bad language> as this is some sort of racism. It's just like calling all Chinese are idiots, as what the poster had done. I perfer milder language so that we can make a discussion.

But why is it racist to say that Chinese products are low quality and cheap?

They arn't surpassing democracy in Hong Kong. I live in Hong Kong, so I know much more than you know. I know that Hong Kong's democracy is developing in a well-manner. Of course, there will be others posting silly story in order to damage our dignity..

Again, why would someone damage your dignity if they said otherwise?

I live in Hong Kong, so I know much more than you know.

.. know more? I grew up in East Germany which means I have lived myself in an un-free country. And I knew many opportunists who were exactly like you, who thought "I am for it as long as there is a benefit for me".

Finally, please don't make any additional comment on commonism. That's meaningless, as we know, we can't change it. Also, please stop cursing China's rising power. That's also meaningless.

Meaningless on the ground of .. what .. ? You think its meaningless to have an opinion of your own? Look at my comment above about living in the GDR - I mean they did brainwash me too - the only difference seems that it never worked.

[Skybird]

Just for curiousity, GlobalExplorer, I spend the complete 80s in Berlin, until three weeks before the wall fell down, we lived close to the socalled Kaisereiche in Friedenau (the districts are differently arranged now, I understand). Where do you live there?

[FIREWALL]

To get back on topic. I wonder how Mattel wil deal with this loss. More layoffs to make up for this.

The stockholders must be screaming bloody murder.:rotfl:

[peterloo]

Something needs to be clarified. Seems that I'm the one being gunned in this forum

.. know more? I grew up in East Germany which means I have lived myself in an un-free country. And I knew many opportunists who were exactly like you, who thought "I am for it as long as there is a benefit for me".

China has changed quite a lot in these days, allowing freedom and democracy to be practiced in a progressive way. Imagine how many bribes will happen if we sudden allowed free election of party heads by citizens, without something like ICAC in Hong Kong. Also, East German is under Soviet rule, while Hong Kong is independent from PRC rule in a certain extent, under the famed "one country two systems" slogan. They're different in nature

I know that you may be refering to the "universal suffage" argument in Hong Kong. But, as what has been writen in the Basic Law, universal suffage is what we will eventual achieve. Article 23? lol, if PRC government was taking away our freedom, they would have took that in practice, instead of listening to us, and put a halt in the legislation progress.

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For the Chinese product = [censored] one, I'm sorry as I misused the word "racism" here, but I've to tell you, not all Chinese product are craps. There are still some nice ones, just remain hidden from you
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Globalexplorer seems to be furious about the copyright issue. But something to remind you, type "software cracks" in google and many FOREIGN websites will surface. Wil Chinese hackers run a site in a foreign language in order to post their work? No, I guess you may say. That means that, pirated softwares IS NOT the problem by Chinese solely. Foreign crackers and hackers also plays a role as well, but their contribution to software privacy seems to be deliberately hindered by mass medias.

Yet I must admit that most victims of privacy is Americans, however, the troublemakers are comprised of a variety of people, includig Chinese and Westerners

If you try to argue by some Chinese arms are copied from foreign technology, and say that copying others' armaments is evil. I've to tell you, gunpowders were invented by Chinese, and they should be protected by patents as well. You gave us nothing in return, did you? (except a credit, that's it) Germans copied Barzookas to make their Panzershreks, but I don't see Hitler paying Americans a single penny. That's all for what I should say.
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A final clarfication - I just don't want anymore post saying that PRC government is evil. Something happened in the past is history, and altering it is IMPOSSIBLE. I believe that every country commits mistakes.
Sino-American relationship is vital to our future developments. We were enemies, but now, we arn't. American and Japanese (Germen) were enemies, but now, they're friends.
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Thanks for listening to my naggy clarfication. Now, you may reply.

[peterloo]

I've to apologise for being a little bit vicious in my argument, but I'm overpressured by restless arguments coming from my fellow members, so I've to say sorry in advance.

[joea]

Good post Peterloo.

[Swede]

they tuhk our jeerbs!:doh:

[SUBMAN1]

Swede blows my mind. Hot air will do that to you. :yep:

I agree with Safe-Keeper and can sum his post up in one simple sentence:

I could if I would but I can't so I won't.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You owe me for a new keyboard! I have beer all over it! :D

-S

[August]

Seems that I'm the one being gunned in this forum

Welcome to the super power club China. Expect everyone and their brother to be criticizing your every move from here on out. :D

[peterloo]

Thanks again for those supporting me. :up:

Again, I've to say again, China is NOT immune to faults, neither in the past, present, nor in the future.

Sometimes I do critize China's moves, for example, asking Japan to apologise their militarism past and stop vandalising history but the leaders are constantly whitewashing what happened in 4/6/1989. :nope:

I can type June Forth incident here, but I can't do it without being imprisoned in mainland. Should I attempt it, I will be traced and police will knock at my door in an instant. This, again, shows Hong Kong is enjoying the freedom of speech :sunny:

NOBODY is resistant to faults, as they arn't GOD. Mao? Reluctant to admit mistakes, he indirectly caused the death of millions by starvation, after the fruitless Great Leap Forward. How about Stalin who led the Soviets against Nazi regime? How about Napoleon who lost most of his man in the bitterness of winter? How about the US generals who protected Unit 571 with intention for his sole gain, preventing the course of justice?

I just hope that we can understand each other's part of story, put ourselves into the others' shoes. You can't live without me, neither do I. What the world needs now is resolution, a reduction in the rift placed between us, NOT restless blames.

[Swede]

the fact that you guys manufacture most of our goods at subhuman wages is a pretty good start to bonding our cultures.

[The Avon Lady]

Swede blows my mind. Hot air will do that to you. :yep:

I agree with Safe-Keeper and can sum his post up in one simple sentence:

I could if I would but I can't so I won't.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You owe me for a new keyboard! I have beer all over it! :D
Luckily I've got a spare one, made in ................................... :roll:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I should boycott China too. I hate how they sell tat on E-Bay.

Buy this digital camera! Only £5!!!*

*Postage and packing £45.

[TteFAboB]

Buy this digital camera! Only £5!!!*

*Postage and packing £45.

**Batteries included!***

***Batteries will most likely leak and/or explode within the first few minutes of operation. Please wear safety gloves, goggles and helmet while using your camera.

[peterloo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips
Buy this digital camera! Only £5!!!*

*Postage and packing £45.


**Batteries included!***

***Batteries will most likely leak and/or explode within the first few minutes of operation. Please wear safety gloves, goggles and helmet while using your camera.


Mmm... It's like TV advertisements, where there will be small words showing in a corner of the TV. I don't think this has any problems. For example: The ad may say something like "Need money? Borrow 'em from xx bank! The rate** is just 0.8%" and there will be small words saying "**this is the monthly rate. The annual rate is 9.6%" at a small corner of the screen.

Frankly speaking, the interest rate of deposit > the rate of loans if 0.8% were the annual rate. The bank suffers a loss. Why would they do this? They run the firm to gain, instead of being a charity and helping others

Remember, the more you pay, the more you gain. Don't expect to get a decent camera will 50 pounds - a decent one costs more (ok, perhaps the camera is second handed, but again, as it is used, you've to lie your confidence to the seller. A second hand one maybe brand new, or it maybe in a complete mess)

Furthermore, you may check the "trust level" in ebay. Despite the warning from the low level, you continue your transaction, then you DESERVE to be suffered

For the battery, yes, I must admit, some Chinese batterys are of low quality, as they are being counterfeit. However, again, if you know that the battery stinks, why don't you buy it in a shop, instead of buying it via ebay? For lithium battery, their performace degrades after repeated use. Why would you put it at stake by using a degraded one, which is supposed to have hidden problems? No offence, but again, you can either choose "quality" or "low price"

p.s. Some Chinese batterys are decent, and you may find 'em in your gadgets. Only some of them are in poor quality. But you can distinguish them by the difference of price. It's just like choosing between coffee or tea in a restaurant

Hope to solve your problems. Remember, NO PAY, NO GAIN!

[GlobalExplorer]

peterloo: (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=227589) Dont worry buddy, its ok that you defend your people, and as you're the only chinese in this discussion, I think you have shown courage. Still I think you adressed none of the real issues, which are Tibet, what happened at the Tiamin Square, why there are no democratic parties, and what would Karl Marx have to say about a communist state that invites Western companies to exploit their working class, and thus make profits on an unprecedented scale.

Just for curiousity, GlobalExplorer, I spend the complete 80s in Berlin, until three weeks before the wall fell down, we lived close to the socalled Kaisereiche in Friedenau (the districts are differently arranged now, I understand). Where do you live there?

Berlin is pretty large. I have lived at different places in Bln Friedrichshain, close to Simon-Dach Strasse, and in my home town of Neuenhagen, which is a bit outside to the East. The places you mention are more in the South-West and I dont know them very well. But Berlin is still "eine Reise wert" :yep:

[Hakahura]

I should boycott China too. I hate how they sell tat on E-Bay.

Buy this digital camera! Only £5!!!*

*Postage and packing £45.

You don't have to be Chinese to sell tat (surely not a strong enough word) E-Bay

[bookworm_020]

The Chinese government has passed new laws saying it is illegal to sell toys to the U.S. that have lead paint

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-09/13/content_6102210.htm

So the rest of us still can enjoy the tang of lead on our toys:doh:

[bradclark1]

The Chinese government has passed new laws saying it is illegal to sell toys to the U.S. that have lead paint

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-09/13/content_6102210.htm

So the rest of us still can enjoy the tang of lead on our toys:doh:
:rotfl: Well, you'll still be able to brush the lead taste away with the anti-freeze flavoured toothpaste too.:lol:

[The Avon Lady]

Hellsapoppin (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070917/wl_asia_afp/chinaaccidentballoons_070917030645). :nope:

[JALU3]

Mattel appologies to PRC (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/99b42156-683a-11dc-b475-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F99b42156-683a-11dc-b475-0000779fd2ac.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drudgereport.com%2F)

Now I have to wonder what they apologized for? The lost revenue to China, or the fact that they produced substandard goods which Mattel sold in the United States?