Save the USS Ling!

[WilhelmSchulz.]

The USS Ling (SS-297) is in danger, they want to kick her out of her home to make room for Condos. Sign the pention to save her. Print it and have some frends sign it too.
Save The USS Ling (http://mysite.verizon.net/resx5uqm/savetheling/id14.html)

[pythos]

I am really getting tired of these A hole developers wanting to develop land, even at the cost of a historical object like this. What the hell is wrong with these people. Do they not appreciate history? Condos suck anyways, the world does not need more of those monstrosities.

Sorry for my ire, but I am hearing more and more of this non-sense. I wish people had concern for principals than for money.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Agried, and to be honest after visting her the other day I dont see why they want to build condos there. Buisnise disctrict. :roll:

[RockNut]

The sad truth is that appreciating history does not make (much) money. To paraphrase my wife's history teacher: "If you want to understand why anything happens, follow the money".

That said, I hope the Ling will find a permanent home.

I look around the Houston, TX, area and see housing and malls go up in a matter of weeks and shake my head - how does the economy support it???

Back to WW2 related stuff, though not subs: Anyone ever visiting Houston should see the San Jacinto battlefield monument and the USS Texas battleship on exhibit there. Well worth the experience.




I am really getting tired of these A hole developers wanting to develop land, even at the cost of a historical object like this. What the hell is wrong with these people. Do they not appreciate history? Condos suck anyways, the world does not need more of those monstrosities.

Sorry for my ire, but I am hearing more and more of this non-sense. I wish people had concern for principals than for money.

[Fish40]

I am really getting tired of these A hole developers wanting to develop land, even at the cost of a historical object like this. What the hell is wrong with these people. Do they not appreciate history? Condos suck anyways, the world does not need more of those monstrosities.


I totally agree! Here in NY, we face a similar dilemma, although not with a military relic. Two historical amusement parks, Coney Island (wich I'm sure everyone has heard of), and Playland, wich is in Rye, NY on the Long Island Sound are both in danger of becoming condos. Dose no one respect history and tradition, or is everything about the almighty dollar? F that! Where dose it end?

[Ducimus]

The sad truth is, there are alot of people in this world who dont have an understanding, interest, nor care in history. There are people in this country who

- do not know what july 4th is about other then beer and fireworks.
- when the civil war was or why it was fought
- what war nazi's were fought against in.

the list goes on. It truly is sad. My own spouse is guilty of all of the above. "I just don't get this history stuff" she tells me. *sigh* I schitt you not, one 4th of july, i had to print out an entire phamplet for her and her family and closest friends becuase NONE of them knew what the 4th of july is really about. Suffice to say, the USS Ling's in great peril. Historical ignorance is the becoming the norm from what ive seen in my own daily life with the people around me.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

As I remember the Ling got some sort of award for being a historic ship. With that how can they kick her out? :nope:

[edjcox]

This may well be an opportunity hidden.

Liberty National Park is not far down stream.

There are a number of wharves and docks there. Placing a Submarine exhibit there might be just the thing and the numbers of tourist flocking through could financially support the Museum.


On the other hand I have seen time and time again where these kind of things are simply dumped...

Very unique displays I could see an entire area in Liberty park housing this...

Probably and uphill battle, but they do have a lot of empty space that needs filling..


:smug:

[woofiedog]

Wouldn't some of the golf courses make for better condo devolpment.

It's Very sad that a part of national heritage is in the way of the dollar bill. :nope:

[Kongo Otto]

I am really getting tired of these A hole developers wanting to develop land, even at the cost of a historical object like this. What the hell is wrong with these people. Do they not appreciate history? Condos suck anyways, the world does not need more of those monstrosities.

Sorry for my ire, but I am hearing more and more of this non-sense. I wish people had concern for principals than for money.

:up: Totally agree.
They don´t appreciate history, they don´t appreciate anything.
This people have no respect for nothing,except the Dollar bill.
If they could, they would build condos at Auschwitz or over the USS Arizona Memorial.
You can find this bunch of greedy bastards all over this planet.
Its a global problem.

[Snuffy]

People who fail to apprecaite the past are doomed to a repetative future.

[SteamWake]

Couldent the boat simply be relocated ?

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Couldent the boat simply be relocated ?

She could but that would coast money. The allmighty dolor in the way of history agian. :nope:

[SteamWake]

Couldent the boat simply be relocated ?

She could but that would coast money. The allmighty dolor in the way of history agian. :nope:


Well it will cost money to scuttle it as well. I find it hard to belive they would just scrap it.

Dont let the anti capitolist tilt cloud your judgment. Surely there is a comprimise.

[AVGWarhawk]

Damn....she is a beautiful boat!!!! I'm sure she will find a home. Unchecked development is a very bad problem. They come, they build, they disappear with the profits....no one really checks on anything and permits to build are just a joke.

[Ducimus]

Damn....she is a beautiful boat!!!!

She sure is:
http://www.williammaloney.com/Dad/WWII/SubmarineLing/SubmarineLingindex.html

[chopped50ford]

i wonder what it would take to make her sea worthy?

[SteamWake]

i wonder what it would take to make her sea worthy?

A hellua lot more than it would take to move her.

[Ducimus]

A miracle, wing, and a prayer. Too old, too fatiuged. Look at some of the pictures in the link i posted above, particuarlly the exterior hatch's. I wonder how much is erroded under the waterline. Being covered in silt may have preserved her under the waterline.. or maybe not, i really dont know.

[AVGWarhawk]

i wonder what it would take to make her sea worthy?

Speaking from experience as I work on the USS Torsk, if the USS Ling every submerged again, she would not come up. Over the years the Torsk has been put in dry dock and 1 inch steel plates welded to the hull were it has gotten thin. She is due for another dry dock for a small hole in the starboard side ballast tank. Not to mention the air intake for the diesels inside the sail would leak like sieve. The Torsk too would not surface if she was submerged today. As far as a couple of tugs to transport the Ling....not a problem. Many a sub/boat have been sold for scrap in Philadelphia and towed. One sub was towed from PA to TX for scrap. The issue here is money. Does she generate enough cash to sustain herself? Is there a museum curator that oversees the Ling? If so, these are the people you need to talk with. At this point, it would best served to start locating a better spot for Ling and hopefully a spot were the city council is passionate about preserving the Ling. It is up to these folks to raise the cash to move her and set up as a museum. There is a lot of red tape to cut through. For example, the Torsk is a WW2 submarine. Her original sail was the two AA guns with radar mast as you see in this game. She was made a guppy with the snorkel installed and the sail was streamlined as you see it today. We had a sail from WW2 but the City of Baltimore said the sail did not fit with in with the shapes of the building around her. Great....the fate of a submarine based on if it fits in with the building structures!!!! No account for what she is and what she did. That, my friend, is today world.

Anyway, find out who is involve with the Ling. Get yourself involved. Get the newpaper involved. You will definitely feel better about it in the long run. I certainly do when I work on the Torsk.

[SteamWake]

Property owner is one Malcom Borg a media magnate in New Jersey. According to the article he has been leasing the space for the sub at a rate of $1.00 us a year for a long time.

Now he wants it off his property. I dident read into that anywhere they just wanted to scrap the ship. In fact I read where efforts to relocate her were being made but had money and logistic issues.

Here is a link to his newspaper site.

http://www.njmg.com/history.php

[AVGWarhawk]

In fact I read where efforts to relocate her were being made but had money and logistic issues.


Like I stated in earlier post....it all ends up with the all mighty dollar and how much you have:shifty:. If you get a chance to see how the USS Batfish got were she is today and the ficticious loans/bonds/political maneuvering etc that were set up to move her, it will make your head spin. I strongly recommend finding a local museum curator and have them get involved. Sure, no talk of scraping but when they see what money can be made from scraping the boat things tend to get a new light on them.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Bump!

Please make this a Sticky. Please?

[SteamWake]

Ill help with the bump effort its the least I can do.

It seems a real shame that a piece of history would become scrap metal.

But then again its not the Enola Gay (shrug). But I would think that something could be worked out.

Actually I think they should leave it right where it is build around it and call the development Subsim arms

[SteamWake]

I had a bit of a brainstorm the other night while watching TV

Has anyone contacted the discovery channel regarding this boat ?

It would make a great documentary interspersing recovery efforts with dramatization of action the sub saw while in service.

They have a big budget and I think this would be right up there alley !

ps; I want to take all credit (an profits) from the idea ! :p

[WilhelmSchulz.]

A post from a Ling museum person on UBI.

We still need signatures. Besides the Ling, the NJ Naval Museum has a Memorial to the submarines and submariners lost while serving our country, 2 rare miniature submarines (Japanese & German) and other artifacts.
Please download the petition SaveTheLing (http://mysite.verizon.net/resx5uqm/savetheling)