Stuck with same mission? [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

sportcap

07-23-07, 04:02 PM

I keep getting the same mission over and over again, troop insertion in Philippines. Mid 1943 to dec 43... Would be nice to recieve another mission, last time i just went off the harbor and back again to get incomplete but next mission troop insertion in phillipines.. :damn:

Von Manteuffel

07-24-07, 06:55 AM

Have you updated to 1.3?

This was a known issue before, but was specifically addressed by the devs and supposedly fixed in the latest patch.

sportcap

07-24-07, 07:11 AM

yes, had 1.2 and went to 1.3 but i continued on my career from 1.2 might have to start a new one?

John Channing

07-24-07, 07:17 AM

If you don't complete your objectives there is a good chance you will get the same mission again, plus you will probably be retired early.

They still need the troops there!

JCC

sportcap

07-24-07, 07:27 AM

I have completed the mission 2 times, third attempt i just left harbor and went back to see if i would receive a new mission but got a new troop insertion mission.

RockNut

07-27-07, 10:41 AM

I have completed the mission 2 times, third attempt i just left harbor and went back to see if i would receive a new mission but got a new troop insertion mission.

This is still an issue with patch 1.3.

Need another great example?

USS Albacore, Gato Class, based out of Pearl:
Patrol 1: East China Sea
Patrol 2: East China Sea
Patrol 3: East China Sea
Patrol 4: East China Sea

All completed successfully, lost of kills each time. At this point I got so annoyed that I saved the game just before entering Pearl Harbor and then played around to see what happens.

1) Medal awarded, refused new sub, stay at Pearl, new patrol assigned.
Patrol 5: East Cina Sea - AGAIN!!! Several re-loads of saved game confirm this.

2) Two more tries: stayed at sea for another week AND another month before entering Pearl, yet again, next patrol assigned in both cases to (you guessed it): East China Sea.:cry: Several re-loads of saved game confirm this, too.

3) Alternatively, I took the new boat (Balao) and get transferred to Brisbane. No need to tell you where my next patrol zone was assigned: East China Sea. Several re-loads of saved game confirm this, again.

What am I to conclude from this??? The next mission is already coded somewhere before I even enter port?:down:

John Channing

07-27-07, 11:04 AM

Just so I am clear on this when you say you completed your Objectives you mean the icon turned Grey?

JCC

Peto

07-27-07, 11:16 AM

I've had this too. Patched to 1.3 and start new career. Out of Perth: 6 patrols to Java Sea. Completed objectives each time (icon went grey) and sank ships. And those shallow water patrols are a buggar! At least I didn't have to deliver supplies to the same address over and over.

Started a new career after installing TM 1.4. Hopefully this problem will go away. If not--I'll try deleting SH4 files from My Documents. Maybe the problem is lingering in there? Hmm. Just thought of that. Others might give that a try as well...

Cheers!

Peto

RockNut

07-27-07, 11:21 AM

Just so I am clear on this when you say you completed your Objectives you mean the icon turned Grey?

JCC

Yes, icon turned grey and objectives were checked as completed in the message log. For all 4 missions!. Well over 10,000 tons of shipping sunk within the prescribed area each time.

Maybe I was too good and they sent me back for more because of my past success? I doubt it...

TDK1044

07-27-07, 11:28 AM

The TM 1.4 mod changes the campaign layers and makes the missions more varied.

corleonedk

07-27-07, 11:33 AM

Iwe had this bug on my last 2 careers also,and no havent figured out how to solve it.Other than starting a new:damn:...Both times all objectives where meet.

John Channing

07-27-07, 11:42 AM

And once you completed your initial objective did you radio in a Patrol report?

JCC

Ducimus

07-27-07, 11:45 AM

The TM 1.4 mod changes the campaign layers and makes the missions more varied.

I left that as an optional mod in the support directory, it is not enabled by default.

TDK1044

07-27-07, 11:49 AM

Seek and ye shall find!:D

TDK1044

07-27-07, 11:51 AM

And once you completed your initial objective did you radio in a Patrol report?

JCC

Good point, John. Many times I've been given a second assignment on the same mission.

John Channing

07-27-07, 12:46 PM

It has been my experience that you will keep getting new objectives as long as you have completed your current one, have fuel and torpedos on board.

I am on my 10th patrol (so much for the "retirement bug") and my fourth objective of this patrol.

JCC

corleonedk

07-27-07, 01:32 PM

Can only speak for myself,but yes i radioed in several times,to try and pick up anything new..

Whit my limited knowledge i been digging a little into this,by looking at my safegame files.And been able to get another mission,by altering the careertrack.upc..If you look at these lines.
PlayerCurrentObjectiveCode=Caroline Islands
PlayerDefaultObjectives=ID94
PlayerCurrentObjectives=ID66

I was able to force another mission by changing 1st and 3rd line to

PlayerCurrentObjectiveCode=East China Sea
PlayerDefaultObjectives=ID94
PlayerCurrentObjectives=ID99

Then loading the save game and had a new mission..It was taken from an older save game,i have no idea where the objective codes and ID codes are hidden elsewhere..Maybe a moder can dig into this,and work on something that can force another mission.

John Channing

07-27-07, 01:47 PM

After you completed your initial objective and radioed in did you not receive a second objective?

Did you have any torpedos left?

JCC

RockNut

07-27-07, 02:11 PM

After you completed your initial objective and radioed in did you not receive a second objective?

Did you have any torpedos left?

JCC

Assuming this is directed my way:

I patrol my assigned area until all torps are gone. So after completion of the 10,000 ton requirement I stick around. I try to be realistic that way.

I did not send a radio report after I got the message that the initial patrol requirement was fulfilled. Why bother? I was just informed that I completed them. I also do not send a message after I'm out of torps. I just return home.

For the record: no torps left when departing patrol zone for port, but of course the refit at Midway on the return trip stocks up my reloads, so torps are present when entering Pearl harbor.

Do I need to send a patrol report via radio for the program to give me the next objective on the current patrol? Without that SH4 does not recognize a successful patrol after returning to port and thinks I'm a lousy captain to then assign me the same objective again? That would be freaky! After all, I can check in-game if my objective is completed or not - so I would assume SH4 can track that...

John Channing

07-27-07, 03:08 PM

This is only a theory I am developing but based on the fact that I am on my 10th patrol, never had a retirement, on my 3rd sub and never had a repeating objective I think I may be getting an idea of how the game mechanics work.

Once you complete an objective you should always radio in. This lets the game know what your status is and will either assign you a new objective (if you have ordanance left) or allow you to return home and move to the next mission/objective. If you don't it appears that the game does not recognize the completed objective and re-assigns it.

Now we can all sit around saying the game should do this and the game should do that... and we could also recognize the fact that if my Granny had wheels she would be a Buick, but my reality is that this way has worked flawlessly for me since 1.0.

It is also important to remember that there are two measurement systems running. One is overall tonnage for which you earn "renown" points. The second is completing objectives (and getting that recognized) which keeps you from being retired. This part is not a theory, but a fact.

Try it out and see if it works for you.

JCC

By the way... simply being sent to the same patrol area is not a repeating mission. Historically lots of boats were sent where the action was. Being sent to the exact same spot would be a repeated objective. And more that three times to the same area, or 3+ insertions/recons would be as well.

RockNut

07-27-07, 03:42 PM

By the way... simply being sent to the same patrol area is not a repeating mission. Historically lots of boats were sent where the action was. Being sent to the exact same spot would be a repeated objective. And more that three times to the same area, or 3+ insertions/recons would be as well.

I'm well aware that subs often got the same patrol area. So this didn't exactly kill me, unlike the agent insertion in japan that I got orders for on Dec 9 1941... Talk about 'realistic' missions.

The 1st 4 patrols were all at the exact same location: East China Sea, between the 'a' in China and the 'a' in Sea as marked on the map. Now the 5th patrol actually sent me slightly further SW. So I guess that's an improvement.

Will try the radio thing now that I refused the sub and moved on with patrol 5. Completing the objective as I write.

Thanks!

corleonedk

07-27-07, 03:48 PM

After patrolling the islands for 48 hours,and getting the grey light.And checking mission log,to confirm it says objective completed.Having a tonnage of 11k and a few torpedoes left,i set sail home to pearl harbor.Doing a few radio messages on the way,to let them know i completed the objective..I never got another objective,and all i can do is dock.Only to be send right back to those islands whit the same order again,cant really see what else i can do to prevent it.

RockNut

07-28-07, 08:16 AM

To complete the insanity: patrol 5 was assigned to East China Sea, objective completed, report radioed and new mission assigned during patrol. After doing a successfull photo recon I ran into a convoy that absorbed the rest of my torps. I sent another patrol report and returned to port.

Care to guess where they sent me next? Yes, East China Sea, AGAIN!!! Same location as patrol #5.

So it looks like it makes no difference if I send a patrol report or not and complete a second assignment and also report that. Upon return to port I still got the same mission.

Now it's personal between me and SH4: How many times will this happen??? I will play this career to the bitter end, just to see if they ever assign me anything but what is fast becoming my least favorite spot on the map.

Go4It

07-28-07, 11:41 PM

I've been having same missions too. 5 insertions ( same location ) followed by DIFFERENT 2nd objective. Each time radio in after I complete the objective.

I also don't have the torpedo path to target in the attack map.

This is all on a CLEAN install patched directly to 1.3 using 1.3 compatible mods < hope there 1.3 compatible....

corleonedk

07-28-07, 11:59 PM

Well after using my way,and finishing the china sea mission.Very good mission btw,ran into both a task force and a convoy..I was afraid it would return to the loop,and send me to the islands again..But it didnt,gave me a whole other mission.So ill just use this method when it does it to me,seems to work.

Mauz

07-29-07, 02:11 AM

I have the same bug as well - I have been already sent out three times to the South China Sea (last patrol command gave me four (!) objectives overall, two in SCS, two in Luzon - they kept throwing me back and forth).

Not that I'm frustrated by this - it's a good area to patrol: lots of convoys, little aviation. So I wasn't really upset when command ordered me to inflitrate that sea for the fourth time in a row. That is until I looked at the patrol start date.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6097/sh4bugpq5.jpg
Oooh, time travel! How frustrantingly undelightful. :damn: As if the forced retirement bug was not enough.

Judjing by the slideshow command showed me upon entering the base (same one for the second time) this date is around the battle of Iwo Jima. What I have installed - patch 1.3, TM 1.4, Die Slowly 1.6, the "wave mod".

Looks like it's back to reinstalling action for me. :nope:

Bear

07-29-07, 09:50 AM

Huzzah, Huzzah I shall go forth to seek and find different missions. I have completed "Photo Recon" in Osaka Harbor four times since Patch 1.3. I have photographed Osaka so many times people are wanting to hire me to do weddings. :lol: To their credit (Dev) I have found different situations three out of four times I went there.

I was using the missions from "Favored to Taste 2.5, but since they were supposed to fix the mission "thingy" with patch 3 I didn't try to put the missions back in.

Can I use the missions from TM without having to use the whole mod? Yes, I have read that it is a good mod but I am not yet a purist.

Von Tonner

07-29-07, 11:42 AM

I have completed "Photo Recon" in Osaka Harbor four times since Patch 1.3. I have photographed Osaka so many times people are wanting to hire me to do weddings.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:T hat really cracked me up:rotfl::rotfl:

MobyGrape

07-29-07, 12:35 PM

I have experienced this same result..completed china sea, received 2nd assignment ..completed..then docked at Pearl..saw and heard the next assignment about support in Java Sea area..the Japanese had their eyes on Port Morsby. then I went to my office}virtual in game}..resupplied my torps ..and then clicked the map for patrol 2...game loaded..Yep China sea, Not Java.:nope:

tater

07-31-07, 04:44 PM

Yeah, you could be sent to the same spot many times, just like you could flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row. Each patrol chosen is from the list. The date is checked, and then from a given start port, there might be 8 different regions you might get sent. Within those regions, some have many missions, some have very few.

Here's an idea I just had. There is the mission objective "patrol" which is to spend X amount of time within Y radius. 'Sink" missions usually have an absurdly high tonnage. I wonder if there are any secondary objectives, and failure messes with the %? Need to check. Like you are to patrol and sink merchant shipping, and the cutoff for success with such shipping is 10k, and you sink 2 1700 ton ships...

Dunno, the patrol stuff is complicated.

tater

07-31-07, 04:45 PM

Mauz, that is not a "patrol" that is a deploy... that means it calls a "sink" mission I think, and those have absurdly high totals be default... wonder if that is a problem.

RockNut

08-01-07, 08:51 AM

I broke the loop!!! Finally!!!

Here's the summary:

Patrol 1: East China Sea
Patrol 2: East China Sea
Patrol 3: East China Sea
Patrol 4: East China Sea
Refused new sub, stayed at PH, ALL four patrol to identical location, all of them successful by sinking well over 10,000 tons in the assigned area.
Patrol 5: East China Sea
Patrol 6: East China Sea
Patrol 7: East China Sea
Accepted new sub, transfer to Brisbane. Patrols 5-8 to same location 300 mi SE of 1-4, but still East China Sea. All were successful by sinking over 10,000 tons in the assigned area.
Patrol 8: East China Sea

Assigned for patrol 9: Bismarck Sea.

Now let's see how often I have to patrol there.

tater

08-01-07, 09:28 AM

Is there any place/time more likely to see this bug? The interaction between PatrolObjectives, Flotilla, and the dynamic campaign files is... complex to say the least. It might literally be as simple as a copy and paste job. At some point in building the campaign, they might have copied another section and altered it, but not changed a date or something like that. So very easy to do and so very hard to find.

kompo001

08-01-07, 03:11 PM