GWX: Penalty on Renown for sinking a Hospital Ship carrying ammunition?

[Stealth Hunter]

So I was playing the game and found a hospital ship in the sea with a tanker and passenger liner. First idea was: "Don't fire on her, just go for the passenger liner and tanker." I did this. However, a torpedo accidentally launched when I hit the enter key afterwards. It hit the hospital ship and let out a god awful explosion. Suddenly I realised, from the distinct look of the explosions, the traitor was carrying ammunition!!! I got back to port and suffered a penalty for it. The thing is: she was carry ammo to ENEMY troops (confirmed this when I found that her course was for Lock Ewe; I sank her in the Irish Sea, about 6 KM from the port).

Now, I would like to know why this is so. A hospital ship carrying military supplies is against the articles of naval warfare and therefore, I should not of been charged for it. A screenshot is below of her sinking and the explosion WHICH, after evaluating it over and over and over again, was in fact caused by ammo, not internal cargo exploding or fuel or coal dust (verified in the GWX Manual, page 35 "DAMAGE"; you know the drill on an ammunition ship: fire, explosions all over the place, quick sinkings, sometimes the ship splitting in half...)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/Silent%20Hunter%20III/sh32007-07-2122-30-41-43.jpg
I didn't catch the entire thing. FRAPS was being a b*tch. If you had seen it, you would of seen the masts, lifeboats, and other deck appendages pop off in a massive fire storm of shrapnel and objects. The ship sank in, and I clocked this, 46 seconds EXACTLY after ONE torpedo accidentally launched and hit her.

[GoldenRivet]

You slammed into the forward deck it looks like. There would have been operating rooms in the stern and center of the ship... with storage of medical supplies forward.

Among the medical supplies was one of the chief anesthetics of the era... Ether.

though ether will put your patient out cold for surgical operations it had one fatal flaw... it was extremely combustible. More than one operating room exploded when only flasks of the liquid anesthetic was exposed to heat or flame taking everyone inside with it resulting in a ban on the substance.

That hospital ship was probably carrying enough vials of ether to take out two or three hospital ships if exposed to explosive conditions.... which it obviously was.

i hope the ship did not contain hundreds of seriously injured German and Italian POWs en route from North Africa... nothing like recently having your legs amputated and finding yourself on a quickly sinking ship well below deck.

Good luck in your future operations herr Kaleun... i would not recommend firing on such ships in the future. The rules are in place because there is no way to tell if medics are treating your own men or not.

[CapZap1970]

:hmm:
"Could you please come with us?? Somebody wants to have a word with you at the Naval Intelligence Office...."
Boomer!! :rotfl:
I don't know how much it will cost you, but you better start bagging more ships to counter the negative renown for that!! :smug:
CapZap

[Stealth Hunter]

It's OK, I've bagged 643,238 tonnes in the last 5 hours.

EDIT: And don't worry about who it was carrying. I sent all those damned Allied bastards to hell, even if they were wounded. And I'd do it again if it weren't for the penalties!! Even if they were for the Reich, they were weak to fall so easily and allow themselves to be taken aboard a hospital ship! They could be interrogated and betray the Reich!

[CapZap1970]

It's OK, I've bagged 643,238 tonnes in the last 5 hours.
:o :o
I bet even Mohr is willing to know your method to get that tonnage!!!!
CapZap

[Stealth Hunter]

Practice. Precision. Patience. Stealth. Silence. Intelligence. Faith. Luck.

These are my allies. They are my friends. I am a naval officer of the Kriegsmarine and an honored soldier of the Germany. All foes to her an inferior. Our beloved Führer is a God in the form of a mortal. I shall show no mercy, no sorrow, no feelings for the enemies of the Third Reich. I shall be an eagle of the sea: swift and precise in my attacks while being clever, and altogether deadly. I shall remain loyal to the Reich no matter what. WE SHALL PREVAIL!:lurk:

That's my gaming philosophy.

[GoldenRivet]

whatever works for you silent... but i have a feeling your either using stock or your early on in the war or your realism settings are under 30%...

i dont know, maybe your that good... but your gaming philosophy will not serve you well in GWX post 1943.

best of luck

[Stealth Hunter]

Thank God I'm still in 1942 under Heinz Ziepel.

Well, nothing lasts forever.:cry: GWX won't be good to me in '43, but I'm going to live or die by my code. Made it there once before and I can sure as hell do it again.:arrgh!:

And... if it is to be, I'll die within my precious U-100, the Golden Knight of Germany.

[IrischKapitan]

November 30th 1945
Nurenberg.
Heinz Ziepel was sentenced to death on the on the charge of war crimes


This is wat awaits you if you survive the war ...... :yep::yep:

[GakunGak]

November 30th 1945
Nurenberg.
Heinz Ziepel was sentenced to death on the on the charge of war crimes


This is wat awaits you if you survive the war ...... :yep::yep:
So, either way you die?
Earlier on a sea bed or later in a war tribunal...:nope:

[Jimbuna]

You slammed into the forward deck it looks like. There would have been operating rooms in the stern and center of the ship... with storage of medical supplies forward.

Among the medical supplies was one of the chief anesthetics of the era... Ether.

though ether will put your patient out cold for surgical operations it had one fatal flaw... it was extremely combustible. More than one operating room exploded when only flasks of the liquid anesthetic was exposed to heat or flame taking everyone inside with it resulting in a ban on the substance.

That hospital ship was probably carrying enough vials of ether to take out two or three hospital ships if exposed to explosive conditions.... which it obviously was.

i hope the ship did not contain hundreds of seriously injured German and Italian POWs en route from North Africa... nothing like recently having your legs amputated and finding yourself on a quickly sinking ship well below deck.

Good luck in your future operations herr Kaleun... i would not recommend firing on such ships in the future. The rules are in place because there is no way to tell if medics are treating your own men or not.

Very well put Herr Kaleun :arrgh!:


And don't worry about who it was carrying. I sent all those damned Allied bastards to hell, even if they were wounded. And I'd do it again if it weren't for the penalties!! Even if they were for the Reich, they were weak to fall so easily and allow themselves to be taken aboard a hospital ship! They could be interrogated and betray the Reich!


Bloody glad my 84 year old father (ex merchant navy and still alive) aint a subscriber here :nope:

Thank God doenitz was sane :lol:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

:shifty:

Yay. Yippeee skippeee.

I guess the floodlights on the evil hospital ship were dangerous.

Furthermore, the "Enter" key to fire torpedoes in GWX has been disabled since the original release... TO PREVENT ACCIDENTAL firings!!! (Should be "Ctrl+Enter" in clean GWX installation.)

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.

Its your game though. Do as you wish. Blow everything up. After all, the explosions are PRETTTTTY!!!!

<munches on another handful of nails>

[GoldenRivet]

:shifty:

Yay. Yippeee skippeee.

I guess the floodlights on the evil hospital ship were dangerous.

Furthermore, the "Enter" key to fire torpedoes in GWX has been disabled since the original release... TO PREVENT ACCIDENTAL firings!!! (Should be "Ctrl+Enter" in clean GWX installation.)

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.

Its your game though. Do as you wish. Blow everything up. After all, the explosions are PRETTTTTY!!!!

<munches on another handful of nails>

My wife and her whole "gang" are EMTs, Ambulance mechanics, firefighters, or work in the billing/ accounting or dispatch office where i live.

keep the sirens blaring and keep up the good work out there :up:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

:shifty:

Yay. Yippeee skippeee.

I guess the floodlights on the evil hospital ship were dangerous.

Furthermore, the "Enter" key to fire torpedoes in GWX has been disabled since the original release... TO PREVENT ACCIDENTAL firings!!! (Should be "Ctrl+Enter" in clean GWX installation.)

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.

Its your game though. Do as you wish. Blow everything up. After all, the explosions are PRETTTTTY!!!!

<munches on another handful of nails>

My wife and her whole "gang" are EMTs, Ambulance mechanics, firefighters, or work in the billing/ accounting or dispatch office where i live.

keep the sirens blaring and keep up the good work out there :up:

"...so that others may live."

Please pass my regards to the crew. Keep on "Blowin' and goin'!!!" :up: :up: :up:

[Stealth Hunter]

:shifty:

Yay. Yippeee skippeee.

I guess the floodlights on the evil hospital ship were dangerous.

Furthermore, the "Enter" key to fire torpedoes in GWX has been disabled since the original release... TO PREVENT ACCIDENTAL firings!!! (Should be "Ctrl+Enter" in clean GWX installation.)

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.

Its your game though. Do as you wish. Blow everything up. After all, the explosions are PRETTTTTY!!!!

<munches on another handful of nails>

Yes, yes they are pretty...:o

EDIT: Either way, it's good to do evil things.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

:shifty:

Yay. Yippeee skippeee.

I guess the floodlights on the evil hospital ship were dangerous.

Furthermore, the "Enter" key to fire torpedoes in GWX has been disabled since the original release... TO PREVENT ACCIDENTAL firings!!! (Should be "Ctrl+Enter" in clean GWX installation.)

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.

Its your game though. Do as you wish. Blow everything up. After all, the explosions are PRETTTTTY!!!!

<munches on another handful of nails>

Yes, yes they are pretty...:o

EDIT: Either way, it's good to do evil things.

Just remember you said that when you are trapped in an overturned car with gasoline dripping in your face.

Maybe the emergency workers that show up and crawl in there with you to cut you out should adopt the same attitude instead... and toss in a zippo.

Grow up.

[Stealth Hunter]

Whoa, dude. I'm talking about the game, not life outside it.:o :rotfl:

It's OK. We all make mistakes.:up:

[Andyman23]

Practice. Precision. Patience. Stealth. Silence. Intelligence. Faith. Luck.

These are my allies. They are my friends. I am a naval officer of the Kriegsmarine and an honored soldier of the Germany. All foes to her an inferior. Our beloved Führer is a God in the form of a mortal. I shall show no mercy, no sorrow, no feelings for the enemies of the Third Reich. I shall be an eagle of the sea: swift and precise in my attacks while being clever, and altogether deadly. I shall remain loyal to the Reich no matter what. WE SHALL PREVAIL!:lurk:

That's my gaming philosophy.

calm down its a game, your not a real uboat commander

[GoldenRivet]

besides its hard to "accidentally" shoot anything in GWX with the Control Enter function... you would litterally have to hold down both keys at the same time on accident to accidentally fire right??? ;)

[Stealth Hunter]

All I know is that they fired... the screenshot shows the rest.

As for my philosophy, sure, I know I'm not a real U-boat captain, but it would have been quite something. And it's always fun to use a bit of imagination.;)

[Jimbuna]

besides its hard to "accidentally" shoot anything in GWX with the Control Enter function... you would litterally have to hold down both keys at the same time on accident to accidentally fire right??? ;)

Precisely :arrgh!:

[antikristuseke]

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.


Too bad you werent the EMT who put four stiches in the back of my head when i took ehh, pub battle damage last thursday. Would have been a strange meeting to say the least.

[FC Raptor]

Stealth Hunter. FYI , I was on a patrol and spotted 2 Hospital ships, As i have only been playing SHIII (GWX) for about 4 weeks I wanted to see what would happen if I sunk those 2 Hospital ships.

I saved my game before I attacked cause i had a feeling somthing bad would happen to me when i got back to port.

So.... I sunk both of them :cry:. I hit esc and warped back to my base, the next screen i got was DEAD. end of career.

It didnt say how I died but it doesnt take much imagination to figure it out.

So, shoot as many as you wish, but don`t be surprised if your career comes to an abrubt end.

my 2 cents.

[CapZap1970]

Stealth Hunter. FYI , I was on a patrol and spotted 2 Hospital ships, As i have only been playing SHIII (GWX) for about 4 weeks I wanted to see what would happen if I sunk those 2 Hospital ships.

I saved my game before I attacked cause i had a feeling somthing bad would happen to me when i got back to port.

So.... I sunk both of them :cry:. I hit esc and warped back to my base, the next screen i got was DEAD. end of career.

It didnt say how I died but it doesnt take much imagination to figure it out.

So, shoot as many as you wish, but don`t be surprised if your career comes to an abrubt end.

my 2 cents.
Hi FC Raptor... welcome to the Forum. :up:
Thanks for that fine piece of info, since I never knew that sinking hospital ships would cause your career to end. Maybe it was because the renown lost for sinking them was higher than the renown you had available, or something like that. I will give it a try and see if the same happens to me. ;)
CapZap

[Jimbuna]

So.... I sunk both of them :cry:. I hit esc and warped back to my base, the next screen i got was DEAD. end of career.

Pleased to hear it :yep:

Could also have been a sniper from the Gestapo waiting at dockside :arrgh!:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

This Emergency Medical Technician is not impressed and has nothing good to say.


Too bad you werent the EMT who put four stiches in the back of my head when i took ehh, pub battle damage last thursday. Would have been a strange meeting to say the least.

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[antikristuseke]

heh, too bad the cut isnt long ennough to get more than your initials in, only about 4cm or so im told

[Kpt. Lehmann]

heh, too bad the cut isnt long ennough to get more than your initials in, only about 4cm or so im told

Who said it needed to be long enough LOL? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Brag]

So.... I sunk both of them :cry:. I hit esc and warped back to my base, the next screen i got was DEAD. end of career.

Pleased to hear it :yep:

Could also have been a sniper from the Gestapo waiting at dockside :arrgh!:

The Kriegsmarine will not tolerate nor harbour war criminals :up:

[CapZap1970]

So.... I sunk both of them :cry:. I hit esc and warped back to my base, the next screen i got was DEAD. end of career.

Pleased to hear it :yep:

Could also have been a sniper from the Gestapo waiting at dockside :arrgh!:

The Kriegsmarine will not tolerate nor harbour war criminals :up:
It was no sniper... it was Bernard fooling around with the periscope...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t1/capzap1970/screenshots/sn.jpg
CapZap

[S Rafty]

With the war crimes comment.

Sickening Dornitz (sp?) was sent down for 11 years. Thats totally bang out of order... That American Air Force Captain but a bomb into a lifeboat bn towed by a U Boat...

Its sickening to know they were sent down. The SS sure, attacks on civilians is a war crime. But history is written by the victors...it jsut dumb sucks that they wanted revenge at the courts, becuase they couldnt get it as sea.....

As for a hospital ship. I wouldnt open up. Mainly b/c it may have Kameraden onboard.


Annoyed me so much reading about the attack on the U-Boats carrying the red crosses and helping all those survivors.

[S Rafty]

With the war crimes comment.

Sickening Dornitz (sp?) was sent down for 11 years. Thats totally bang out of order... That American Air Force Captain but a bomb into a lifeboat bn towed by a U Boat...

Its sickening to know they were sent down. The SS sure, attacks on civilians is a war crime. But history is written by the victors...it jsut dumb sucks that they wanted revenge at the courts, becuase they couldnt get it as sea.....

As for a hospital ship. I wouldnt open up. Mainly b/c it may have Kameraden onboard.


Annoyed me so much reading about the attack on the U-Boats carrying the red crosses and helping all those survivors.

[iambecomelife]

You can set merchant ships' cargoes to Freight, Ammo, and Fuel in the mission editor, and I doubt that any mod maker would set the Hospital Ship to carry anything other than "Freight" (a catch-all term for non-volatile cargoes). The explosion was probably either the ship's own fuel supply or a boiler explosion. Boiler explosions were sometimes violent enough to break a ship in half, and a submarine crew might mistakenly think it was ammunition exploding. Sometimes when I hit a ship carrying Freight the explosion is just as violent as the one for a vessel carrying Ammo or Fuel.

[Binky1st]

Thats not Ammunition going up on that Hospital Ship, its all the bed pans exploding :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Jimbuna]

Could certainly of been some form of .....internal combustion :p

[Dimitrius07]

Practice. Precision. Patience. Stealth. Silence. Intelligence. Faith. Luck.

These are my allies. They are my friends. I am a naval officer of the Kriegsmarine and an honored soldier of the Germany. All foes to her an inferior. Our beloved Führer is a God in the form of a mortal. I shall show no mercy, no sorrow, no feelings for the enemies of the Third Reich. I shall be an eagle of the sea: swift and precise in my attacks while being clever, and altogether deadly. I shall remain loyal to the Reich no matter what. WE SHALL PREVAIL!:lurk:

That's my gaming philosophy.

Can you relax please :stare:. I hope your philosofy is only in the game ;)

[Andyman23]

With the war crimes comment.

Sickening Dornitz (sp?) was sent down for 11 years. Thats totally bang out of order... That American Air Force Captain but a bomb into a lifeboat bn towed by a U Boat...

Its sickening to know they were sent down. The SS sure, attacks on civilians is a war crime. But history is written by the victors...it jsut dumb sucks that they wanted revenge at the courts, becuase they couldnt get it as sea.....

As for a hospital ship. I wouldnt open up. Mainly b/c it may have Kameraden onboard.


Annoyed me so much reading about the attack on the U-Boats carrying the red crosses and helping all those survivors.

is this what you're talking about?

http://www.uboataces.com/battle-laconia.shtml

i agree, it is pretty disgusting