Just curious, but who haven't moved on to SH4?

[xboxer]

Anyone? :hmm:

Or have bought a copy of SH4 and hated it and went right back to SH3?

Personally, I have both but I find it tedious to refamiliarize myself with a new sub game. In SH3, I knew the places, controls and tactics almost by heart.

I have yet to start learning to play SH4 properly and remember the places well enough.

I don't know why but I feel I don't have the energy for it anymore.

[joea]

:huh: :doh:

[Canovaro]

Why go? The fatherland needs you! ;)

[Solidfart]

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)

[ichso]

When SH4 works as good as SH3 now and when I finally have a PC to run it properbly then it will be out as a low price budget version. Then I will complete my Silent Hunter compilation :)

[danlisa]

Never left & don't intend to.:yep:

[ReM]

SH IV is somewhere on the shelf, collecting dust....played it a few times, but it hasn't captured like SH III did (even when stock!)...

I might start playing it someday, but for now I really couldn't care less.

U-boats all the way.....

[ichso]

.......Quote edited due to forum rules... _Seth_

That's Ubi's own fault when they don't publish any demo versions ;).

[Hadrys]

....edited due to forum rules.... That's Ubi's own fault when they don't publish any demo versions ;).
I don't like demos, often they differ from the final product and don't show everything. I can't imagine SH demo...

[Kaleun_Saxi]

I bought the deluxe version, but it's not working well on my machine, so I've got to buy a new one first (new graphic card, more memory), so far the game works but too slow. Seems to be quite good, SHIV, but for the moment I'm playing SH3GWX1.03 and am very satisfied.

[HunterICX]

......read hunter's answer to this.. That's Ubi's own fault when they don't publish any demo versions ;).
I don't like demos, often they differ from the final product and don't show everything. I can't imagine SH demo...
:down: We dont like people that post that they tried games illegaly
read the Subsim rules.

[TarJak]

Not left yet not planning to move yet. Waiting for patches and a price decrease before I do.

[Hadrys]

:down: We dont like people that post that they tried games illegaly
read the Subsim rules.

Just checked it out, good point "They have to eat too, you know." but in this particular example I would love to have SH4 box on my shelve next to SH3 but also I would be pissed as hell if I would bought such a "great product" to dump it into trash. I have to eat too so I should start selling crap to people naming it best subsim ever? This is my POV and EOT.

[NealT]

Not gone yet and do not plan to anytime in the near future. Going to wait until the patches catch up and settle the game down to where it is playable. Then, going to have to upgrade my computer just so I can play it...

THEN going to wait until the GWX team does their thing and really makes it shine :up:

[STEED]

Well I got SH4 Patched to 1.3 and enjoying it. OK, it's like the old stock SH3 with ships sinking to fast but it's still good and in another year or two a Dev Team will do to it what the super mods did to SH3.

PS: I play both SH3 & SH4 so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :p

[xboxer]

In a fresh from the box version of SH4, the developers really don't deserve to be paid at all. :down:

But since 1.3 has been getting rave reviews, I'm willing to give it another shot. I don't know if I'm going to get my money's worth from SH4, I'm only on the first patrol. But I am optimistic.

SH3 has definitely given me my money's worth.

[maillemaker]

I've got so many hours of time left in SHIII before I'm bored with it I can't imagine buying another game yet.

[JuanCudz]

There's no way I'm heading for the Pacific unless 'The Lion' gives me a type IXD2 and sends me to Penang.
GWX:FTW!

[Captain Nemo]

I haven't bought SHIV primarily because I am enjoying SHIII/GWX too much. The other reason is I would most probably have to upgrade my graphics card to make SHIV playable and I just can't be bothered with that at the moment. I agree with others on this forum that the Battle of the Atlantic is a much more challenging campaign than the Pacific. Having said that, it was Silent Service on the Commodore 64 which was set in the Pacific that got me into sub sims in the first place.

Nemo

[HunterICX]

:down: We dont like people that post that they tried games illegaly
read the Subsim rules.
Just checked it out, good point "They have to eat too, you know." but in this particular example I would love to have SH4 box on my shelve next to SH3 but also I would be pissed as hell if I would bought such a "great product" to dump it into trash. I have to eat too so I should start selling crap to people naming it best subsim ever? This is my POV and EOT.

:roll:
I can name a few guys that will not agree with you.
still whatever you have on your hard drive just keep it for yourself and dont bother to share if it breaks the rules.

[_Seth_]

:down: We dont like people that post that they tried games illegaly
read the Subsim rules.
Just checked it out, good point "They have to eat too, you know." but in this particular example I would love to have SH4 box on my shelve next to SH3 but also I would be pissed as hell if I would bought such a "great product" to dump it into trash. I have to eat too so I should start selling crap to people naming it best subsim ever? This is my POV and EOT.
I understand your viewpoint, and can agree to a certain degree.. But this is the way of computer games.... If it isnt a demo, you dont know excactly what you are getting. But this is NOT a reason for DL it illegaly. And please; Do not start a discussion about such borderline issues, mates.... Keep it clean.! :up:

[ichso]

Whether Haydrs is right or not. But it's true: a serious community can't propagate illegal content or accept it's members doing that.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:

[Brag]

I'm too busy fighting a war in my U-boat :arrgh!:

[CapZap1970]

Tried it with 1.3 patch... works nice, looks nice, but it doesnt' have the atmosphere created by SH3.
CapZap

[SmokinTep]

Haven't picked it up yet. Probably wait awhile.

[papa_smurf]

Never even bought it, even when I saw the previews and screen shots. I'd rather fight for the Fatherland.

[Von Taticus]

Maybe I'll try SH4 when I' ve won the battle of the atlantic in my type XXI :huh:

[Sailor Steve]

Personally, I have both but I find it tedious to refamiliarize myself with a new sub game.
Same here. That's why I still play Silent Service on my Atari with 512kb of RAM and no hard drive.

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)
You should stay current on the threads; a lot of people are loving it with patch 1.3. (Oh, and welcome aboard!)

I'll say the same thing I've said the last several times this question has been asked: I can't play anything right now, but when I can I'll be playing both until something truly better comes along.

And take a look at the old archives. All the old SH3 threads have comments like "It sucks!" "It's unplayable!" "It's even worse than SH2...and that sucked, too!"

[Keelbuster]

I gave up on 4, and am still playing 3. I'll wait a year or two until the modders (god bless them) make sh4 worth playing.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Well I got SH4 Patched to 1.3 and enjoying it. OK, it's like the old stock SH3 with ships sinking to fast but it's still good and in another year or two a Dev Team will do to it what the super mods did to SH3.

PS: I play both SH3 & SH4 so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :p
This ^^, SH4 more, but GWX is not going anywhere soon. Like both theatres.


RDP

[irish1958]

I can't even try SHIV as those mutton-heads at UBI made the specs for the game too hard. Neither of my computers can play the game without terrible mouse lag and low options. UGH!:arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!:

[Iron Budokan]

I bought two copies when it came out. But now SH4 is off my computer and on the shelf. I'm sticking with SHIII from here on out. :up:

[Steel_Tomb]

I'm sticking with SHIII, I like SHIV but it needs some major work to it for it to be as fun as SHIII. Plus I prefer u-boats over the yank subs anyday.

[joea]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:

What a mature post, better change your sig. :shifty:

[STEED]

Tried it with 1.3 patch... works nice, looks nice, but it doesnt' have the atmosphere created by SH3.
CapZap

That's because your on the winning team. :rotfl:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:
What a mature post, better change your sig. :shifty:

im to lazy for that :shifty:

[Deputy]

I gave up on 4, and am still playing 3. I'll wait a year or two until the modders (god bless them) make sh4 worth playing.

Exactly what I posted over on the SH4 forum in the thread "Is this it?" For SH4, that IS IT. No more patches will be forthcoming from Ubi. Also, I paid $10 for SH3 new in the box at Amazon.com. The cheapest price I could find for SH4 was $32.51 and that was for a USED version. No way I'm paying that price for something that won't be fixed until the modders get done with it. I can stay in the Atlantic and not be bugged with bugs :smug:

[Lible]

Tried it...
Launched the game after having watched/read a SH3/SH4 differences guide.
Set the options
Started my career
Got told about the war, was assigned to that island.
Ok, finally I'm in my cabinet... Sub upgrades, let's see what the americans have to offer - what? what the hell am I going to do now, this stupid interface..
Ok, seems I don't have anything to set, off to sea!

I won't continue

Taking it all together - the UI is CRAP.. sorry, I'm not usually talking like this, but really, it is, compared to SH3. The 2D jokermen look really bad. The game has very high spec reqs (That's not a big problem tough, water is a hard thing to render). And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.

[Schöneboom]

So far I've not been tempted by SH4 -- somehow the PTO doesn't really grab me. And I've nothing against Gato/Balao boats, the only subs I've actually set foot in (USS Pampanito & Bowfin). Well, there's always next year...

[Wilcke]

Play both, especially after SH4 got the 1.3 patch, very nice and enjoyable. Also, Ducimus just released his Trigger Maru 1.3 Mod, which adds a lot of value to gameplay. Werner Sobe also released a mod addressing the very fast sink times and is about done; making the sinkings very realistic.

Overall with the devs kicking in the patch and the Modders doing their magic we finally have a product. The glass is half full!:up:

Wilcke

[ichso]

So far I've not been tempted by SH4 -- somehow the PTO doesn't really grab me. And I've nothing against Gato/Balao boats, the only subs I've actually set foot in (USS Pampanito & Bowfin). Well, there's always next year...
What's PTO ?

I liked the Gato/Balao classes in SH1 though. This wouldn't make me not play SH4. It's just not necessary yet as SH3 became something like a whole new game with GWX too.

[3Jane]

I have not :|\\

[Schöneboom]

What's PTO ?

It's an Allied acronym:
PTO = Pacific Theatre of Operations
ETO = European Theatre of Operations

Mach's gut!

[d@rk51d3]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:


:rotfl:

Now you've done it. I can hear Ubis "Brown Nose Squad" coming....

[joea]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.

[joea]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:

:rotfl:

Now you've done it. I can hear Ubis "Brown Nose Squad" coming....

and yet you're playing a UBI product no need to be a d#$k. :nope:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:

:rotfl:

Now you've done it. I can hear Ubis "Brown Nose Squad" coming....
and yet you're playing a UBI product no need to be a d#$k. :nope:

:hmm:GWX isnt from Ubi so... i say SH3 is from the GWX team :arrgh!:

[Deputy]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.

No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

[joea]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.
No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

Not really, actually you are partly right, the German boats were better, but they could not match Allied production.

The Japanese didn't protect their shipping til it was to late, if the US had proper torpedoes the war would have been over a year earlier.:nope: IE. No Iwo Jima, Okinawa, or Hiroshima.

Anyway, I do think the US radar and TDC were better...but not the torps. :rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

So far I've not been tempted by SH4 -- somehow the PTO doesn't really grab me. And I've nothing against Gato/Balao boats, the only subs I've actually set foot in (USS Pampanito & Bowfin). Well, there's always next year... What's PTO ?

I liked the Gato/Balao classes in SH1 though. This wouldn't make me not play SH4. It's just not necessary yet as SH3 became something like a whole new game with GWX too.

Pacific Theatre Operative or something like that I am guessing :yep:


RDP

[Sailor Steve]

Very close guess. It's Pacific Theater of Operations.

[ichso]

Thanks :).
Why didn't I learn that from SH1 ? :hmm:

[Corsair]

What is SH IV ? :rotfl:

[Deputy]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.
No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

Not really, actually you are partly right, the German boats were better, but they could not match Allied production.



Ummm...isn't that EXACTLY what I said????

[d@rk51d3]

buyed it. played it. threw it away :nope:

1. those fraggin subs drink fuel like hell. i once had to go to japan (from pearl harbour) and didnt had fuel to return... AND I DID GO ON AHEAD SLOW :damn:
2. ITS NO FUN!
3. ITS CRAP!
4. it didnt had U-124 :cry:

:rotfl:

Now you've done it. I can hear Ubis "Brown Nose Squad" coming....

and yet you're playing a UBI product no need to be a d#$k. :nope:


:roll: I rest my case.

[Reverie]

mmeeeeeeee!!!!! :D

Reverie

[Reverie]

did i win ? :yep:

Reverie

[HunterICX]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.
No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

Not really, actually you are partly right, the German boats were better, but they could not match Allied production.

The Japanese didn't protect their shipping til it was to late, if the US had proper torpedoes the war would have been over a year earlier.:nope: IE. No Iwo Jima, Okinawa, or Hiroshima.

Anyway, I do think the US radar and TDC were better...but not the torps. :rotfl:


Germany chose Quality over Quantity
mix that with Hitler declaring war on multiple fronts like Russia which became his doom. if Hitler leaved Russia alone and nothing happend between the 2 nations it would have been different probally we would have spoken german all over europe.

Hitler himself has a part in the loss of the war, as he was stuborn and a complete maniac. thought he has been in WW1 he had No Military intelligence over strategics and important decisions.
I really hate him for letting thousands of men rot in stallingrad for his cause.

just be glad that it happend this way. as I wouldnt have a good night rest with hitler's picture hanging above my bed...:dead:

[java`s revenge]

I do play both.

Sh3 + gwx 1.3
open hatch mod
ultimate sound pack
lite harbor traffic
special effects
sfx louder
clean big dials


Sh4 + trigger maru 1.3
hud kit
interior kit
sonar metric scale kit
optics kit
natural sinkings mechanics 2.2
greenlamp
2rtr usperiscope


I only don`t like the graphics in shiv.
The ships do like drawings that floats on the water.
It looks like cutted carbon models glued on a background.
The sea and ships looks more realistic in sh3 than in sh4.

Oops this gives reactions ,,,,,

[ichso]

I only don`t like the graphics in shiv.
The ships do like drawings that floats on the water.
The sea looks more realistic in sh3 than in sh4. :rotfl:
Better look at a drawing than at a schedule :up: :D

BTW: What else don't you like ? The highly detailed 3D models ? The awesome particle effects ? The beautiful enviromental lightings ? ;)

[java`s revenge]

With sh3 i sometimes get the feeling that i am really at sea.
The waves, sound etc.

At night when you look at the stars and around you you feel really lonely.

With shiv i dont get that feeling.

[ichso]

With sh3 i sometimes get the feeling that i am really at sea.
The waves, sound etc.

At night when you look at the stars and around you you feel really lonely.

With shiv i dont get that feeling.

Ok. That maybe, I don't know. But some people said that at least since GWX came up the immersion is a lot better in SH3 than in 4.

Graphics don't make a whole game, that's right :)

[java`s revenge]

That`s right GWX is top.

So in future i hope there will be a gwx for sh4.

I do play sh4 but i prefer sh3+gwx.

[xboxer]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh:

[ichso]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh: Oh it's so many things :rotfl:

- a compilation of minor mods
- a supermod
- much fun for most of the people here
- a huge improvement of SH3
- a whole new game
- some people's hobby
- some people's life

:sunny:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh: Oh it's so many things :rotfl:

- a compilation of minor mods
- a supermod
- much fun for most of the people here
- a huge improvement of SH3
- a whole new game
- some people's hobby
- some people's life

:sunny:

the last counts for me :arrgh!::rotfl:

[ichso]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh: Oh it's so many things :rotfl:

- a compilation of minor mods
- a supermod
- much fun for most of the people here
- a huge improvement of SH3
- a whole new game
- some people's hobby
- some people's life

:sunny:
the last counts for me :arrgh!::rotfl:

You have a life ? I thought you were suicidal :doh::roll:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh: Oh it's so many things :rotfl:

- a compilation of minor mods
- a supermod
- much fun for most of the people here
- a huge improvement of SH3
- a whole new game
- some people's hobby
- some people's life

:sunny:
the last counts for me :arrgh!::rotfl:
You have a life ? I thought you were suicidal :doh::roll:

GWX is my suicidal life... :arrgh!:
my RL is boring... its probaly gonne kill me :nope:

[Redbear]

I haven't left and don't intend to (even if I get a computer that can run it!)

[java`s revenge]

What is this GWX everyone is talking about???? :doh: :doh:

Xboxer here is the link to download gwx

http://isaf.us/gwx/

Download the 5 bin files + gwx.exe

After you have installed this download also
gwx103.exe. That`s a patch on gwx.

You will never look back at the stock sh3.

[Deputy]

[quote=joea]

Germany chose Quality over Quantity
mix that with Hitler declaring war on multiple fronts like Russia which became his doom. if Hitler leaved Russia alone and nothing happend between the 2 nations it would have been different probally we would have spoken german all over europe.

Hitler himself has a part in the loss of the war, as he was stuborn and a complete maniac. thought he has been in WW1 he had No Military intelligence over strategics and important decisions.
I really hate him for letting thousands of men rot in stallingrad for his cause.

just be glad that it happend this way. as I wouldnt have a good night rest with hitler's picture hanging above my bed...:dead:

A popular notion but not really true. Germany had upped it's production of Type VII and Type IX U-boats considerably by mid-war. The problem was those types were obsolete and vulnerable to Allied countermeasures by the middle of the war. Hitler would NOT have been able to leave the Soviet Union alone for a number of reasons. He badly needed oil to run his war. The SU had big oil reserves. And it was just a matter of time before the SU declared war on Germany. So Hitler opted for the surprise attack benefit. It had worked in western Europe and it actually worked quite well in the SU. Now if you want to blame overextended supply lines and a worse-than-normal Soviet winter, I agree with you. Hitler a "complete maniac" with no intelligence about strategic decisions...I don't think so. No man can conquer as much as what he did and fit that description.
Did he have twisted ideas about race/religion...most definitely. But I wouldn't lay all the blame at his feet. The Allies from WW1 deserve a good deal of the blame for causing WW2. If they had done like the Allies of WW2 had done and helped Germany rebuild instead of trying to punish it by driving it into bankruptcy with those idiotic "war reparations", the war in Europe might never have happened.

And I'm still holding off on buying SH4 until the price drops :lol:

Dep

[Steel_Tomb]

The problem with the Soviet front is that Hitler was obsessed with Stalingrad. If he had just encircled Stalingrad and left it to starve like Leningrad he would have been ok. Once Moscow had been taken the Soviets would have been more or less knocked out of the war. IIRC Army group centre was only about 30miles from the gates of Moscow? At the start of the war Hitler was a very clever man, but by the time Stalingrad came around he was a complete loony and hooked on god knows how many drugs. This ultimately led him to making disasterous decisions towards the end of the war. Its like if the generals had sent down the panzer division waiting north of the normany beach heads the invasion would have failed and the allies pushed back into the sea, but the generals didn't order the panzers to move because they were afraid Hitler might order them shot or something, especially after Rommel and other top ranking generals were pushed aside or accused of treason etc.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

whats this "IIRC" actualy ? i have seen it a few times but cant figure :doh:

[ichso]

whats this "IIRC" actualy ? i have seen it a few times but cant figure :doh: If I remember correctly this means: 'If I remember correctly' :lol:

[...] Hitler would NOT have been able to leave the Soviet Union alone for a number of reasons. He badly needed oil to run his war. [...]
I don't like referring always to Hitler when talking about this war.
He had many people around him who made important decisions and he just gave the general orders, following their advices.

In fact, there are known a few occasions when Hitler made decisions all by himself which ended up in a disaster. And don't remember yet, it's a while ago since I read that. They were minor things, I don't mean
the invasion of russia (for example).

[Deputy]

The problem with the Soviet front is that Hitler was obsessed with Stalingrad. If he had just encircled Stalingrad and left it to starve like Leningrad he would have been ok. Once Moscow had been taken the Soviets would have been more or less knocked out of the war. IIRC Army group centre was only about 30miles from the gates of Moscow? At the start of the war Hitler was a very clever man, but by the time Stalingrad came around he was a complete loony and hooked on god knows how many drugs. This ultimately led him to making disasterous decisions towards the end of the war. Its like if the generals had sent down the panzer division waiting north of the normany beach heads the invasion would have failed and the allies pushed back into the sea, but the generals didn't order the panzers to move because they were afraid Hitler might order them shot or something, especially after Rommel and other top ranking generals were pushed aside or accused of treason etc.

You seem to be forgetting the Russian Winter. They weren't prepared for Winter fighting and the option to starve out Stalingrad was simply NOT possible. Moscow wasn't taken because the supply lines were too long to safely protect. I wouldn't believe all the crapola that is circulating concerning Hitler's drug addictions and sanity. Don't forget the VICTORS get to write the history books and the view is almost always slanted against the losers. Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.

As to the Normandy beachhead...no way those Panzer divisions could have made one bit of difference. First of all, the Allies had complete air superiority, so moving them during daylight was impossible. Plus consider the size of the force opposing those Panzer divisions. The beachead was far too big and the numbers were far to great for the German divisions in France to be able to offer any meaningful resistance. As for Rommel...he WAS treasonous because he supported the attempt on Hitler's life.

[EAGLE_01]

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)

Sorry to cut in, but your missing out. With one of thje mod packs; (TMaru or RFB) and whatever else you would like to add from the TONS of available mods, SH4 not only works, it's darn near what I think the Dev's wanted to release. You should check it out..BUT it would be too cool if you GWX guys got a hold of it!:yep:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

whats this "IIRC" actualy ? i have seen it a few times but cant figure :doh: If I remember correctly this means: 'If I remember correctly' :lol:



ah ok... thanks mate :up:

[Solidfart]

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)

Sorry to cut in, but your missing out. With one of thje mod packs; (TMaru or RFB) and whatever else you would like to add from the TONS of available mods, SH4 not only works, it's darn near what I think the Dev's wanted to release. You should check it out..BUT it would be too cool if you GWX guys got a hold of it!:yep:

I haven't bought sh4 yet. I don't know anything about sh4 mods. But I've been reading threads about sh4 and official patches. With 1.3 it doesn't appear to work yet. But if mods fix it perhaps I should buy it and try it. 50 euros is bit steep. Perhaps when the price drops.

[Iron Budokan]

Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.


So I guess Lincoln was lying when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and everyone, even modern day history books and scholars and people with a functioning brain-stem, still buys into the fabrication the Civil War was about slavery. That Lincoln, what a jokester. Fooled everyone into thinking the seminal reason the Union was fighting the South was because of slavery...and all because of the Emancipation Proclamation which says the war was about ending slavery, but that was all obviously either faked or just a little ol' misunderstanding on Lincoln's part. :roll:

[_Seth_]

Interesting reading here,mates.:yep:.. But try to keep on topic, guys.. I would hate to move this to the general topics forum.. :up:

[Tontoman]

Haven't moved to SHIV. Watch Das Boot for the XXth time and got the bug. Reinstalled SHIII on my new system and installed GWX. It's a whole new game... with GWX changes and the new system running 1680x1050 4xAA I'm happy like a pig in.. :rock: . Maybe once the GWX crew or something as complete is done for SHIV.

PS. Thanks GW :up: .

T.

[Kongo Otto]

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.
No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

Not really, actually you are partly right, the German boats were better, but they could not match Allied production.

The Japanese didn't protect their shipping til it was to late, if the US had proper torpedoes the war would have been over a year earlier.:nope: IE. No Iwo Jima, Okinawa, or Hiroshima.

Anyway, I do think the US radar and TDC were better...but not the torps. :rotfl:


Germany chose Quality over Quantity
mix that with Hitler declaring war on multiple fronts like Russia which became his doom. if Hitler leaved Russia alone and nothing happend between the 2 nations it would have been different probally we would have spoken german all over europe.

Hitler himself has a part in the loss of the war, as he was stuborn and a complete maniac. thought he has been in WW1 he had No Military intelligence over strategics and important decisions.
I really hate him for letting thousands of men rot in stallingrad for his cause.

just be glad that it happend this way. as I wouldnt have a good night rest with hitler's picture hanging above my bed...:dead:

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

[rik007]

I played a few mission in carreer mode ('always partol Chinese sea') and stopped. After 1.3 I played it one evening. By now I'm back at SH3. Ubi should have perfected the Atlantic theatre adding more immersion such as wolfpacks, enigma, snow etc. Slaughtering Japs is no fun at all.

[Jimbuna]

GWX obviously :lol:
I have purchased a copy of SHIV via SS but will wait until it's a little more playable :arrgh!:

[Deputy]

Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.


So I guess Lincoln was lying when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and everyone, even modern day history books and scholars and people with a functioning brain-stem, still buys into the fabrication the Civil War was about slavery. That Lincoln, what a jokester. Fooled everyone into thinking the seminal reason the Union was fighting the South was because of slavery...and all because of the Emancipation Proclamation which says the war was about ending slavery, but that was all obviously either faked or just a little ol' misunderstanding on Lincoln's part. :roll:

The Lincoln vision can certainly be gleaned from views such as the one he expressed in an 1862 letter to the New York Daily Tribune: "My paramount object...is to save the union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it..." The imperative of keeping the races apart is another reoccurrence in Lincoln’s addresses.

Ol' "Honest Abe" was a real joker allright. He didn't hesitate to violate Constitutional rights when it suited his purposes. As in the Constitutional right of Habeus Corpus.
The Emancipation Proclaimation...here's the lowdown on that scam...

For one, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation guaranteed that slaves were freed only in the parts of the Confederacy inaccessible to the union army. Union soldiers, for their part, were permitted to confiscate slaves in rebel territory and put them to work for the union army. In areas loyal to the union, slaves were not emancipated. After the war, Lincoln offered little land to the freed men; most of the land was parceled off to his constituent power-base, the railroad and mining companies.

The economic undertow offers better insight into the Lincoln mission. The South, which supplied 75 percent of exports, was on the cusp of becoming a low tariff, free trade zone. Lincoln feared this would disadvantage the North, and in particular his rich industrialist supporters. Much like the Canadian equalization payments through which the government plunders the West, Lincoln imposed punitive tariffs as a means to distribute wealth from the South to northern manufacturers.

If you are gonna use examples, make sure you know what you are talking about FIRST. :nope:

Dep

[Deputy]

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

FYI....he was a Corporal at the end of WW1. And that Corporal went on to conquer ALL of Europe and part of Africa. Yeah....he really didn't know squat about tactics. :roll:

[Jimbuna]

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

FYI....he was a Corporal at the end of WW1. And that Corporal went on to conquer ALL of Europe and part of Africa. Yeah....he really didn't know squat about tactics. :roll:

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

[Deputy]

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D And Sweden was a non-entity that neither side bothered with. Ditto for Switzerland...although they weren't exactly "enemies" of Germany.

[waste gate]

I tried to move to SH4. It was so buggy I gave up b4 1.3 was released I should try again but its hard given my earlier frustration........one of these days perhaps.

[Jimbuna]

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D And Sweden was a non-entity that neither side bothered with. Ditto for Switzerland...although they weren't exactly "enemies" of Germany.

You forgot to include Russia (not even the capital) :hmm:

[ichso]

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D

:shifty::shifty::nope:
Reducing the hole matter to a matter of >>him<< (Hitler) simplyfies it way to much. What a untrue and yet common phrase. I hate that :damn:

Sry for not keeping the topic, but it's annoying to see people talk about ww2 like that :down:

[Deputy]

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D And Sweden was a non-entity that neither side bothered with. Ditto for Switzerland...although they weren't exactly "enemies" of Germany.

You forgot to include Russia (not even the capital) :hmm:

Most of the European area of the Soviet Union was conquered.

Spain was already a Fascist state that sympathized with Germany when WW2 started. Do people not read history books are all of you reading the PC versions?

[Ubåtskapten]

SH3 with GWX ofcourse!:arrgh!:

The GWX team have done such a great job with adding both realism and eyecandy to this game taking it to another level. And the Pacific theatre does not interest me as much as the Atlantic and the U-Boats anyway.

[camabear]

My wife bought it for me, but my system is just to slooow. So I won't move on until I can afford an upgrade. I really like U-Boats too, so I am going to stick with this for quite a while. This is a great game.

[BROJD]

Seems to me SH IV would be the opposite of SH III -- where SH III slowly increases in difficulty as the Allies gain control of the sea lanes, SH IV would get easier as the war went on as the Japanese Navy was whittled down.

The Happy Hunting Grounds would have been off China and Japan in 1945.

Where is the fun in the shooting gallery at the end of your career?

[Scape]

That's my thoughts exactly... where's the sport in that?

SH# w/GWX I hear SHIV has better crew management but that's not enough for me to switch considering how good a mod GWX is.

[ichso]

Seems to me SH IV would be the opposite of SH III -- where SH III slowly increases in difficulty as the Allies gain control of the sea lanes, SH IV would get easier as the war went on as the Japanese Navy was whittled down.

The Happy Hunting Grounds would have been off China and Japan in 1945.

Where is the fun in the shooting gallery at the end of your career?

That was the exact same thing with SH1. It's historical accurate but perhaps less playable. Other games tend to get more difficult as you progress ;)

[urfisch]

me. has not moved to sh4...except for modding it.

[Jimbuna]

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D And Sweden was a non-entity that neither side bothered with. Ditto for Switzerland...although they weren't exactly "enemies" of Germany.

You forgot to include Russia (not even the capital) :hmm:

Most of the European area of the Soviet Union was conquered.

Spain was already a Fascist state that sympathized with Germany when WW2 started. Do people not read history books are all of you reading the PC versions?


It must have been that little bit he didn't conquer that led to his demise then.
I don't have a problem with reading thank you....in fact I am fortunate enough to have a living father who fought through this terrible era :yep: and his recollection is that Russia played a major role (attacking from the eastern EUROPEAN direction)
Do I detect an element of baiting ? :hmm:
If you are in fact retired as is suggested in your forum info, we at least have something in common. I am as yet not retired though.
In this forum as in my RL position I try to adhere to what the majority of people recognise as acceptable prctice/behaviour. I also strive to conform with the rules of this forum and treat fellow contributors with courtesy and respect.

Regards
Jimbuna

[Deputy]

It must have been that little bit he didn't conquer that led to his demise then.
I don't have a problem with reading thank you....in fact I am fortunate enough to have a living father who fought through this terrible era :yep: and his recollection is that Russia played a major role (attacking from the eastern EUROPEAN direction)
Do I detect an element of baiting ? :hmm:
If you are in fact retired as is suggested in your forum info, we at least have something in common. I am as yet not retired though.
In this forum as in my RL position I try to adhere to what the majority of people recognise as acceptable prctice/behaviour. I also strive to conform with the rules of this forum and treat fellow contributors with courtesy and respect.

Regards
Jimbuna

I am just surprised that so many people are willing to be spoonfed their opinions is all. No disrespect or baiting involved. There are many things that led to Hitler's demise, not just one country. Considering the WHOLE WORLD was allied against him, it's surprising he lasted as long as he did. One has to wonder...the Soviet Union far exceeded Germany with the number of people they executed/tortured/oppressed during their existence. Yet people are more than willing to sing the praises of that Communist country. I don't think the rules of the forum require that everyone have the exact same opinion and be led around like sheep.

[Jimbuna]

It must have been that little bit he didn't conquer that led to his demise then.
I don't have a problem with reading thank you....in fact I am fortunate enough to have a living father who fought through this terrible era :yep: and his recollection is that Russia played a major role (attacking from the eastern EUROPEAN direction)
Do I detect an element of baiting ? :hmm:
If you are in fact retired as is suggested in your forum info, we at least have something in common. I am as yet not retired though.
In this forum as in my RL position I try to adhere to what the majority of people recognise as acceptable prctice/behaviour. I also strive to conform with the rules of this forum and treat fellow contributors with courtesy and respect.

Regards
Jimbuna

I am just surprised that so many people are willing to be spoonfed their opinions is all. No disrespect or baiting involved. There are many things that led to Hitler's demise, not just one country. Considering the WHOLE WORLD was allied against him, it's surprising he lasted as long as he did. One has to wonder...the Soviet Union far exceeded Germany with the number of people they executed/tortured/oppressed during their existence. Yet people are more than willing to sing the praises of that Communist country. I don't think the rules of the forum require that everyone have the exact same opinion and be led around like sheep.

Well, we can certainly agree on what atrocities Stalin committed :yep: I for one am not the type of person to sing the praises of any country really...least of all the USA or UK at times. :nope:
If evererybody studied history in depth you would probably get a myriad of reasons about why man goes to war, and in almost every case there would be a religious or political element involved.
Perhaps that is one of the major strengths of this forum 'freedom of speech' and the chance to 'publicly post your opinion'......but always in the spirit of respect and courtesy toward others. :sunny:

[_Seth_]

Moved to GT forum...

[mr chris]

Perhaps that is one of the major strengths of this forum 'freedom of speech' and the chance to 'publicly post your opinion'......but always in the spirit of respect and courtesy toward others. :sunny:

Jim i think we both know that this forum is far from a place where Free speach is allowed.;) If you point out something that leaves the powers that be around here with egg on there face. It is a one way ticket to a PM mauling by the modderators, Then a ban for using one yes one out of line sentance. Very far from a place where Freedom of speach is welcome. :yep:

As for moving to play sh4 , You have got to be kidding i would not even think of playing that piece of trash again after what i encountered when it was realesed

[TteFAboB]

I haven't moved because I'm waiting for a super mod.

[Jimbuna]

Perhaps that is one of the major strengths of this forum 'freedom of speech' and the chance to 'publicly post your opinion'......but always in the spirit of respect and courtesy toward others. :sunny:

Jim i think we both know that this forum is far from a place where Free speach is allowed.;) If you point out something that leaves the powers that be around here with egg on there face. It is a one way ticket to a PM mauling by the modderators, Then a ban for using one yes one out of line sentance. Very far from a place where Freedom of speach is welcome. :yep:

As for moving to play sh4 , You have got to be kidding i would not even think of playing that piece of trash again after what i encountered when it was realesed

G'dey matey.....apologies for the weekend, but each time I was on TS the Kpt. etc. etc. needed a word. I have the latest ******* d/l and it looks fine in MP.....anytime your available (trips back to the UK permitting) of course ;)

[mr chris]

Well im free tonight matey but am off back to the UK tomorrow so if your free and around tonight just drop me a line.

[Takeda Shingen]

Moved to GT forum...

*grumbles indecipherably*

I should start charging for dumping rights.

[Chock]

I got SH4 immediately and I do like it, and indeed play it too, but in my opinion it does not seem a huge leap forward from SH3. Sure it has the eye candy, but even an ardent fan wouldn't claim that it has much that SH3 cannot do.

I realise that it has a small budget in comparison to many other games, but in my opinion, looking at developing a game in that way is a bit like putting the cart before the horse. A truly innovative game which pushed gaming concept boundaries would have found a big audience (regardless of what game type it was), as it has done with other genres, and from UBI's marketing, it's clear that they were hoping for SH4 to pull something like that off.

If I had been in charge of what to put into a new sub sim, I would have been inclined to model more of the systems, so that you had to make trim dives and solve problems etc, such as running out of food, or whatever. I'd also have had it so that the crew were more interactive, too. What would have been real fun would have been to have to deal with crew insubordination and disappointment with you if you did badly or made poor tactical choices. Perhaps even have an XO that questions your decisions or makes suggestions as to tactics and the like. Stuff like that would certainly have moved the genre along.

SH4 is okay in my opinion, but it is no showstopper, although I will admit that I may be biased since I prefer the Atlantic theatre.

:D Chock

[_Seth_]

Moved to GT forum...
*grumbles indecipherably*

I should start charging for dumping rights.
:rotfl::rotfl:The check is in the mail! :up:

[ReallyDedPoet]

SH4 is okay in my opinion, but it is no showstopper, although I will admit that I may be biased since I prefer the Atlantic theatre.

:D Chock
Two great sims, SH3 or GWX as it should be called :yep:, and SH4.

This mod, just out today, is a showstopper, have a look:

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/water_test1.jpg

If you get a chance, check out the thread: Living Breathing Ocean.


RDP

[Skybird]

Gotten burned by premature releases one time too often, I decided to wait and monitor the community and feedback for SH4. Planned to get it once it was properly patched. But 1.3 feedback still does not motivate me, and my interest for it has dropped to almost zero meanwhile - simply too much time passing by. So by now I assume I will never buy it.

Instead I reinstalled SH3 again, after a very long brake. GWX was new for me, and thus I had a new, solid, proven game. So why spending money on SH4?

The periscope I use most is that of the Leopard anway. :D

[Penelope_Grey]

I get little bursts where I am into Silent Hunter 4 and then... poof, gone... I think its a beautiful looking game and all the rest, but, it does so little to retain me. I have to say I just can't sit and play it like I do SH3

[Finnbat]

Like many others here, I must agree that the SH4 dont make it to homeport.
I have it, but dont play it. SH3 is so much more better with Grey Wolf mod.
Sad thing... was waiting so long for this new one.

[HunterICX]

Moved to GT forum...
*grumbles indecipherably*

I should start charging for dumping rights.
:rotfl::rotfl:The check is in the mail! :up:

And seth, if you have a Topic about Uboats flying around its a 5 € fee to dump it in the flight sim section :rotfl: