Let's all sing "Kumbaya"

[The Avon Lady]

Protocols of the Elders of Moron (http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2007/7/18/3102903.html). :nope:

And here I've been waiting around for The Incredibles to show up! :roll: Then again...... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdW_GxefIU4) :o

[Heibges]

As much as I felt Jimmy Carter got a raw deal during his presidency, I felt it strange he chose to blame all his failures in the Middle East on Israel.

[Jimbuna]

As much as I felt Jimmy Carter got a raw deal during his presidency, I felt it strange he chose to blame all his failures in the Middle East on Israel.

He should have stuck to farming peanuts :lol:

[The Avon Lady]

As much as I felt Jimmy Carter got a raw deal during his presidency, I felt it strange he chose to blame all his failures in the Middle East on Israel.
He should have stuck to farming peanuts :lol:
Not if Jimmah's momma would have had her way:

"When I look at my four children sometimes I say to myself, Lillian, you should have stayed a virgin."
- Lillian Gordy Carter

:yep:

[XabbaRus]

Kumbaya my lord kumbaya.....

Well Avon did say sing...

[HunterICX]

Kumbaya my lord kumbaya.....

Well Avon did say sing...

*hic* KumBaYaaaaAarrAAA My LooOoorD, *hic* KumbAyAaaaaaaaa Me Looo*hic*OooORd! *Hic*:()1:

[geetrue]

Kumbaya? I always like that song.
I use to sing Kumbaya down at the rescue mission in San Diego back in the 80's :lol:
Still don't know what it means, but it felt good to sing it.

As far as Jimmy Carter ... he was one of the first people I had to forgive after I became a christian. I'll never understand how he made that mistake of sending special forces to Iran.

Then when he joined in and said we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq ... I didn't know if it was his personal convictions or the democratic party.

We may never know, but I forgive him. :yep:

[Heibges]

His big mistake was inviting the Shah here for cancer treatment, he ended up in Mexico, and not just letting him pay for his crimes in Iran.

It probably took until 1987 for the Army to get itself "right" after Vietnam. But by 1990 we were firing on all cylinders.

[mbthegreat]

"Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu are bad people"

blimey even you should find that one hard to swallow AL

[Heibges]

Just because they love their own people, doesn't mean they love the folks of another country.

[The Avon Lady]

Just because they love their own people, doesn't mean they love the folks of another country.
BINGO (http://mattymay.blogspot.com/search?q=tutu)!

I think they did great things for S. Africa (though I was appalled by many things I saw there last year) but that does not make the saints the new world order promotes them to be.

This is especially true regarding Israel, where Tutu has shown he's no less an anti-Semite that Carter (http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/11/desmond-tutu-to-head-un-mission-to.html).

Mandela has fewer outbursts but is of the same thinking. And it shows (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/677lkhfy.asp).

Watch S. Africa turn into another socialist tyranny in the near future if the economy's down-spiral cannot be reversed. I sure hope not. It's a wondeful land, a wonderful people, and so bounitful in resources. Yet it is rotting away.

UPDATE: Change of mind. Mandela is indeed just another tyrant. For those that forgot, myself included, remember Lesotho (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9886).

May G-d bless and keep these "peace" czars .................................... far away from us! :D

[mbthegreat]

This is especially true regarding Israel, where Tutu has shown he's no less an anti-Semite that Carter (http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/11/desmond-tutu-to-head-un-mission-to.html).

When did "worried about Israel's humand rights abuses" become "anti-semetic"?

[Heibges]

“When people tend to preen themselves in the West about how wonderful they are, you have to say OK, just hold back. Within a few years you in the West produced two world wars. You in the West produced a country that was the first to use weapons of mass destruction on another country. Your country dropped bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You: you highly educated, highly civilized, you produced the Holocaust, eh?”

Actually this I rather agree with, and don't see where it is anti-Semetic.

Europe did almost destroy itself twice last century.

The United States did drop two WMD's.

France, Italy, and every country in Eastern Europe collaborated viciously with the Nazi's. Why does it seem that all the concentration camp guards that turn up are from Poland, and Lithuania, and Ukraine?

OT: Sorry, couldn't resist.

Shining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfout_rgPSA

[August]

His big mistake was inviting the Shah here for cancer treatment, he ended up in Mexico, and not just letting him pay for his crimes in Iran.

Carter did a lot of things wrong but cutting an asylum deal with the Shaw in order to get him to leave power without the knock down drag out war that would have resulted had he nowhere to go probably saved the lives of thousands of Iranians if not more.

It probably took until 1987 for the Army to get itself "right" after Vietnam. But by 1990 we were firing on all cylinders.

More like 1982-3. We felt a palpable difference soon after Reagan took power but yeah by 1990 we were light years beyond the army i joined in 1977.

[Heibges]

His big mistake was inviting the Shah here for cancer treatment, he ended up in Mexico, and not just letting him pay for his crimes in Iran.

Carter did a lot of things wrong but cutting an asylum deal with the Shaw in order to get him to leave power without the knock down drag out war that would have resulted had he nowhere to go probably saved the lives of thousands of Iranians if not more.

It probably took until 1987 for the Army to get itself "right" after Vietnam. But by 1990 we were firing on all cylinders.

More like 1982-3. We felt a palpable difference soon after Reagan took power but yeah by 1990 we were light years beyond the army i joined in 1977.

I'm sure Carter saved lives, I just meant that it's something the Iranians still have beef about. It was a brave thing that Carter did, and probably even the right thing, but maybe just not the thing that was good for US/Iranian relations.

I love the Army and I didn't mean to imply that the Army was a bunch of yahoos after Vietnam, just that they lost a lost of experienced soldiers, especially NCO's and it took a long time to replace them. I heard the Army say the other day that it takes them "8 years to grow a major".

[August]

I'm sure Carter saved lives, I just meant that it's something the Iranians still have beef about. It was a brave thing that Carter did, and probably even the right thing, but maybe just not the thing that was good for US/Iranian relations.

Well I think the Iranians would not have hated us any less had Carter gone to Iran and personally shot the Shah. We were the designated external threat the mullahs used to rally the people to their side and nothing we could have done would have changed that.

I love the Army and I didn't mean to imply that the Army was a bunch of yahoos after Vietnam, just that they lost a lost of experienced soldiers, especially NCO's and it took a long time to replace them. I heard the Army say the other day that it takes them "8 years to grow a major".

I didn't mean to imply that you were implying anything dude :D. Actually I love the Army too and i was pretty much agreeing with you, but the US Army in 1977 when I enlisted was pretty close to being a bunch of yahoos. Racial conflicts, drug use, incompetance, antiquated equipment, lack of training, all were rampant during those years and it wasn't until the early 80's when it turned around.

Of course Vietnam ended for most of our military in 73 and that puts it right in the target timeline you mention.

[Heibges]

It's really a very sad story, because in 1987-1991 or thereabouts (I joined in 1988), the Army was looking to RIF many of the folks who joined in 1974, whom they know longer considered desirable, and wanted to get out of paying retirement to. :nope:

[August]

It's really a very sad story, because in 1987-1991 or thereabouts (I joined in 1988), the Army was looking to RIF many of the folks who joined in 1974, whom they know longer considered desirable, and wanted to get out of paying retirement to. :nope:

Yeah I probably would have been one of them had i not got out in '84 which was lucky for me because starting over at 24 is a heckuva lot easier than 31.

[dean_acheson]

"But the war began before the idea could get off the ground."

woohoo hoo hoo! hahahahaha!

o... stop.... sides.... are..... splitting.....

boy, that sure will make the rest of the day easier, knowing that we have a set of elders, including a ChiCom to tell us how to live our lives.

Now I wonder why they didn't include G.Bush or M. Thatcher in this group?

Oh, that's right. They aren't comsimps or socialists.

[The Avon Lady]

Oh, that's right. They aren't comsimps or socialists.
STOP THE PRESSES!!!
Something worse and stupider is brewing (http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/LIFE03/707160342/1008/LIFE).
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
This is especially true regarding Israel, where Tutu has shown he's no less an anti-Semite that Carter (http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/11/desmond-tutu-to-head-un-mission-to.html).
When did "worried about Israel's humand rights abuses" become "anti-semetic"?
Don't bother reading.

[Jimbuna]

Probably my eyes :dead: ....but I couldn't see a date :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

Probably my eyes :dead: ....but I couldn't see a date :nope:
Then you'll be perfect for each other! :yep:

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1858/crosseyedlq6.jpg

[Jimbuna]

She's pretty :rock: I sure hope she thinks I am too :hmm:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4999/photo4do8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Heibges]

I had a professor in college whose eyes did that. He would be talking to you, but looking at the person on either side of you.:D

[mbthegreat]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
This is especially true regarding Israel, where Tutu has shown he's no less an anti-Semite that Carter (http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/11/desmond-tutu-to-head-un-mission-to.html). When did "worried about Israel's humand rights abuses" become "anti-semetic"? Don't bother reading.[/quote]

On the contrary, I read the article first when you posted it and now that you mention it again, no where in the artice is Tutu quoted saying anything anti-semetic, I suppose you mean things such as

"The Jewish lobby is powerful, very powerful"Which is a statement of fact, not of opinion, it is no more anti-semetic than saying "black people represent a large proportion of the vote" is racist.

"and to criticize [Israel] is to be immediately dubbed anti-Semitic", in fact you have proved Tutu correct.

As for the Nazi / Apartheid comparison, I think, apartheid certainly is a fair comparison to make, and you may well be closer to genocide than you think, let's look at "The Eight Stages of Genocide"

1. Classification - Us and them, well we've got that.

2. Symbolisation - The "them" are "muslims", they are generic.

3. Dehuminisation - From a site linked by the article we are talking about http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Dhimwits.htm this woman is a "dog", and you can find plenty of other examples.

4. Organisation - We have a state with an advanced military which is given tens of millions of dollars by other states, sounds pretty organised to me.

5. Polarisation - "Extremists drive the groups apart", need I say more....

6. Preparation - "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity." "They are often segregated into ghettoes". Well we have Gaza and the West Bank, and a big old wall seperating "Us" from "Them".

7. Extermination - Hopefully, and most probably this will never happen.

8. Denial - We already have some pre-existing denial that Israel can do any wrong, in the form of our very own AL.


These things are always much more likely than you think.