Kosovo IS Serbija....

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6293880.stm

the world is finally realizing ( or at least most.... dam U.S...:nope::shifty:) that the KLA is a al qaeda funded terrorist organization and the new revised plan ^^^^^ is a major victory for us orthodox balkan people!:rock::rock::rock: we won a small battle in a war which we will win ...:rock::rock::rock::rock:

[waste gate]

( or at least most.... dam U.S...:nope::shifty:)

What is this about? More US bashing? Look at your own gov't first my dear.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

yes because they are smart (sarcasm...) to support terrorists ;) :shifty::shifty:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/fr033199.htm


even ur own country says its a terrorist group

'We condemn very strongly terrorist actions in Kosovo. The UCK is, without any questions, a terrorist group,' Gelbard said."

"The group was founded in the early 1990s during a backlash against Serbian efforts to eliminate ethnic Albanian political influence inside the former Yugoslavia. President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group." The KLA engaged in tit-for-tat attacks with Serbian nationalists in Kosovo, reprisals against ethnic Albanians who "collaborated" with the Serbian government, and bombed police stations and cafes known to be frequented by Serb officials, killing innocent civilians in the process. Most of its activities were funded by drug running, though its ties to community groups and Albanian exiles gave it local popularity. By 1999, however, the United States had embraced the KLA's cause, if not the group itself, working instead through the ethnic Albanian nationalist politician Ibrahim Rugova. Clinton spearheaded a NATO air war and subsequent invasion of Kosovo aimed at stopping Serbian ethnic cleansing there in 1999"


KLA is supposedly disarmed..... so why are churches and schools, hospitals being burned???? by the KLA (clearly in uniform and armed)


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_18_15/ai_81139195
^^^ one of the best articles ive read to date...


more articles

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015235.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015321.php

congratulations america you are supporting the very thing you wish to destroy.....

[waste gate]

yes because they are smart (sarcasm...) to support terrorists ;) :shifty::shifty:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/fr033199.htm


even ur own country says its a terrorist group

'We condemn very strongly terrorist actions in Kosovo. The UCK is, without any questions, a terrorist group,' Gelbard said."

"The group was founded in the early 1990s during a backlash against Serbian efforts to eliminate ethnic Albanian political influence inside the former Yugoslavia. President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group." The KLA engaged in tit-for-tat attacks with Serbian nationalists in Kosovo, reprisals against ethnic Albanians who "collaborated" with the Serbian government, and bombed police stations and cafes known to be frequented by Serb officials, killing innocent civilians in the process. Most of its activities were funded by drug running, though its ties to community groups and Albanian exiles gave it local popularity. By 1999, however, the United States had embraced the KLA's cause, if not the group itself, working instead through the ethnic Albanian nationalist politician Ibrahim Rugova. Clinton spearheaded a NATO air war and subsequent invasion of Kosovo aimed at stopping Serbian ethnic cleansing there in 1999"


KLA is supposedly disarmed..... so why are churches and schools, hospitals being burned???? by the KLA (clearly in uniform and armed)


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_18_15/ai_81139195
^^^ one of the best articles ive read to date...


more articles

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015235.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015321.php

congratulations america you are supporting the very thing you wish to destroy.....

I'll have a look at your links elite_hunter_sh3. They are large reads so please bear with me.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

no problemo :up: this is a topic that has to be looked over thoroughly.... as terrorism is a issue (problem) that we dont want roaming around in our countries....:shifty:

[fatty]

the world is finally realizing ( or at least most.... dam U.S...:nope::shifty:)

Didn't the U.S. "realize it" but then change their minds?

[GakunGak]

It all depends on US and Russia to find a solution for this problem. An independence is something I would not recommend at all, not even considering.
I was personally amazed to see Putin stand stronglly for this issue....:up:
We are yet to see what will happen, but in the end, not both sides will be satisfied 100%, I predict.... One side will have to explode and....
Who knows, maybe a new era of wars, political assasinations, CIA international involvement, civil unrest, new concentration camps, escalating into WW3, all major countries nuclear capable firing all of their arsenal and then...
End of the world...:hmm:
Man, what a fantasy I have....:doh:
@SH3: you failed to proper name the thread: KOSOVO is Serbia....
Although we were Yug, S&M, and seperate now, I still like S&M in a fetish way... ;-)

[elite_hunter_sh3]

@gakunGak.. i used to be obsessed with the old socialist all powerful lol yugoslavia.... my parents telling stories of government paying for university... getting u a job and a house.... i got obsessed.. then realized that dream can never come true due to differences of religon, country nationalism etc.... so S&M was the best bet... but o well... S*** happens :arrgh!::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


kosovo - KOSOVO is te same i was too lazy to move my finger to press caps or hold shift button lol... :doh::arrgh!::arrgh!::rotfl:

[GakunGak]

@gakunGak.. i used to be obsessed with the old socialist all powerful lol yugoslavia.... my parents telling stories of government paying for university... getting u a job and a house.... i got obsessed.. then realized that dream can never come true due to differences of religon, country nationalism etc.... so S&M was the best bet... but o well... S*** happens :arrgh!::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


kosovo - KOSOVO is te same i was too lazy to move my finger to press caps or hold shift button lol... :doh::arrgh!::arrgh!::rotfl:
I noted you SERBIA, NOT SERBIJA.
Go figure....
Political propaganda makes wonder...
I still play Republic: The Revolution....
http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/republic/
Going to sleep now....:ping:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

laku noc! :arrgh!: still know some words lol

[GakunGak]

laku noc! :arrgh!: still know some words lol
Ako se ne varam, zivis u Baru/Budvi?
Tako da moras da znas neke rijeci...:lol:
As they say in Jersey, whatever.:yep:
Downloading Ship Simulator 2008 now....:up:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ha lol herceg novi and niksic...



K back to topic... U.S supports KLA a terrorrist group... why?? because they want to undermine the nation of Serbia and to destroy thousands of years worth of relics and churches over 500 years old of religious importance to christianity....:shifty::shifty:

[Heibges]

I thought it was because the president of Serbia was a War Criminal. Didn't he die in prison in Belgium?

[darius359au]

I thought it was because the president of Serbia was a War Criminal. Didn't he die in prison in Belgium?
yep , fact that serbs are the minority in Kosovo doesnt seen to matter either ,its not just the U.S thats looking at independance for Kosovo , the EU is to and the only ones against it are the Russians and Serbia.The resolution had to be changed because Russia said they wouldnt even look at it and will veto no matter what.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

the serbian president was NOT a war criminal.. a few rogue generals were... the serbian president sent serbian troops to kosovo to protect the serb minority from being wiped out by the ethnic albanian jihadist terrorists....

[Heibges]

I thought it was because the president of Serbia was a War Criminal. Didn't he die in prison in Belgium?
yep , fact that serbs are the minority in Kosovo doesnt seen to matter either ,its not just the U.S thats looking at independance for Kosovo , the EU is to and the only ones against it are the Russians and Serbia.The resolution had to be changed because Russia said they wouldnt even look at it and will veto no matter what.

This is some WWI style intrigue we have here. Russia and Serbia on one side....

[joea]

ha lol herceg novi and niksic...



K back to topic... U.S supports KLA a terrorrist group... why?? because they want to undermine the nation of Serbia and to destroy thousands of years worth of relics and churches over 500 years old of religious importance to christianity....:shifty::shifty:

Nonsense, the US didn't want to destroy churches, just choosing the wrong "allies" as usual (the KLA who certainly do, and don't forget who trained Bin Laden). The real goal was to eliminate Russian influence in Europe and as Serbia is a Russian ally...well.

[joea]

BTW the KLA mafia in Kosovo gets a lot of "funding" in other countries like Switzerland:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/total_coverage/kosovo/viviano.html

http://members.tripod.com/Balkania/resources/terrorism/kla-drugs.html

http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/06/bnd-slaves-and-millions.html

[The Avon Lady]

ha lol herceg novi and niksic...



K back to topic... U.S supports KLA a terrorrist group... why?? because they want to undermine the nation of Serbia and to destroy thousands of years worth of relics and churches over 500 years old of religious importance to christianity....:shifty::shifty:
Nonsense, the US didn't want to destroy churches
I understood Elite Hunter as saying not that the US is destroying them but by the US's support for an independent Kosovo, they are passively allowing the destruction of Christianity there.

Suggested reading: The jihad in Serbia (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011437.php).

[GakunGak]

Now the China allies with us and the Russians.....
For those suspecting of me, I don't hate American People, I just hate their dictator and his masonic neo-con goverment....:smug:
BOT: Having KOSOVO indenpendent, it will be a new terrorist state with all kinds of mob business, including a safeground for most wanted terrorists...
The fact I would want everyone to consider is that:
Research BOTH sides and then judge from what you learn...
I thought myself 9/11 6/6 is a terrorist attack until I saw loose change, terror storm and many other documentaries.....:yep:
My favorite president of the year: Hugo Chavez!:rock:

[The Avon Lady]

Now the China allies with us and the Russians.....
For those suspecting of me, I don't hate American People, I just hate their dictator and his masonic neo-con goverment....:smug:
BOT: Having KOSOVO indenpendent, it will be a new terrorist state with all kinds of mob business, including a safeground for most wanted terrorists...
The fact I would want everyone to consider is that:
Research BOTH sides and then judge from what you learn...
I thought myself 9/11 6/6 is a terrorist attack until I saw loose change, terror storm and many other documentaries.....:yep:
My favorite president of the year: Hugo Chavez!:rock:
Sad, sad. :nope:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/386/tinfoilhatareaat3.jpg

[joea]

Now the China allies with us and the Russians.....
For those suspecting of me, I don't hate American People, I just hate their dictator and his masonic neo-con goverment....:smug:
BOT: Having KOSOVO indenpendent, it will be a new terrorist state with all kinds of mob business, including a safeground for most wanted terrorists...
The fact I would want everyone to consider is that:
Research BOTH sides and then judge from what you learn...
I thought myself 9/11 6/6 is a terrorist attack until I saw loose change, terror storm and many other documentaries.....:yep:
My favorite president of the year: Hugo Chavez!:rock:

Buddy "Loose Change" is pure claptrap and even lies...governments are not the only ones who spread b.s.

[Happy Times]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6654/itsaconspiracywp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[elite_hunter_sh3]

america makes decisions based on wut thier billionaires and wut saudi arabian royalty wants.......:shifty::shifty::shifty::shifty:

[The Avon Lady]

I posted this elsewhere: 9/11 for Dummies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jgaddguhs4). :88)

[The Avon Lady]

america makes decisions based on wut thier billionaires and wut saudi arabian royalty wants.......:shifty::shifty::shifty::shifty:
Sounds like the rest of the world. :roll:

Doctor, smelling salts - STAT!

[GakunGak]

I posted this elsewhere: 9/11 for Dummies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jgaddguhs4). :88)
O RLY:
I like this bettter:


I don't.

The Management

[The Avon Lady]

:down: Pic in sickening taste. :down:

[GakunGak]

:down: Pic in sickening taste. :down:
True indeed: fact or myth....:hmm:
Hokay, if you like this better....
http://dukeofprunes.co.uk/picts/random/911conspiracy.gif

[Takeda Shingen]

I have not had to lock a thread in nearly two weeks. Let us keep this one within reason and taste.

Thank you,
The Management

[GakunGak]

I have not had to lock a thread in nearly two weeks. Let us keep this one within reason and taste.

Thank you,
The Management
Point taken seriouslly, sir!:know:

[August]

Oh no the Masons!

[GakunGak]

Oh no the Masons!
Oookay, Illuminati if you like more.....:lol:

[August]

Oh no the Masons! Oookay, Illuminati if you like more.....:lol:

I'm a Mason...

[The Avon Lady]

Oh no the Masons! Oookay, Illuminati if you like more.....:lol:

I'm a Mason...
Du bist a Yid?

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3205/ultimatejewwb9.jpg

:p

[Heibges]

Oh no the Masons! Oookay, Illuminati if you like more.....:lol:

I'm a Mason...

My Grandfather was a Shriner, a 33rd Degree Mason. :up:

Even my father, who thought that Moses was assassinated, didn't believe in a Masonic conspiracy.:lol:

[The Avon Lady]

Even my father, who thought that Moses was assassinated, didn't believe in a Masonic conspiracy.:lol:
I find it easier to believe in the latter than the former. :hmm:

[GakunGak]

Oh no the Masons! Oookay, Illuminati if you like more.....:lol:

I'm a Mason...

My Grandfather was a Shriner, a 33rd Degree Mason. :up:

Even my father, who thought that Moses was assassinated, didn't believe in a Masonic conspiracy.:lol:
God Almighty......:o :o :o :o :o

[August]

Du bist a Yid?



:p

No but i've dated Yiddish women...

[The Avon Lady]

Du bist a Yid?



:p
No but i've dated Yiddish women...
Dating by language. Original idea! :know:

("Yiddish" is a language. "Jewish" is a religion. "Yid" in Yiddish simply mean "a Jew". "Yid" in English is usually a considered a derogatory reference to a Jew. Who asked me? Nobody, but I'm a yente. :yep: More language assistance can be found here (http://www.vidlit.com/yidlit/)). :D

[August]

No need as that's all ancient history now. Besides it has nothing to do with the country of Kosovo.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

im sorry but you are wrong.. Kosovo is a PROVINCE not a country... and i pray to god every day that it never becomes a country.... if it does say hello to the new european afghanistan... safe haven for terrorists and bin laden....:shifty::shifty::shifty:

[August]

im sorry but you are wrong.. Kosovo is a PROVINCE not a country... and i pray to god every day that it never becomes a country.... if it does say hello to the new european afghanistan... safe haven for terrorists and bin laden....:shifty::shifty::shifty:

http://www.freemyspacegraphics.com/Graphics/Funny_Animations/images/funny_myspace.gif

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i dont recommend going into a argument when u dont know the facts and even look at the evidence... another person brainwashed by media and CNN......:shifty::shifty::shifty:

ya so back to topic.... Russia will veto enything about kosovo that serbia doesnt agree to... then what.. i wonder how long it will stay like that till either the world realizes that kosovo belongs to serbia and that the UN and nato shud drive out the KLA and the albanians from kosovo... OR.. we get screwed over again and kosovo is allowed to split, becomes a haven for al qaeda and we watch as america bombs kosovo due to terrorism and destorys more churches and historical relics in the process...

[August]

i dont recommend going into a argument when u dont know the facts and even look at the evidence... another person brainwashed by media and CNN......:shifty::shifty::shifty:

That means a lot coming from a guy who likes to deny his governments complicity in the Bosnian massacres, as he espouses the blessings of communism from the safety of a democratic western nation, all the while boasting about his daddys Hummer.

ya so back to topic.... Russia will veto enything about kosovo that serbia doesnt agree to... then what.. i wonder how long it will stay like that till either the world realizes that kosovo belongs to serbia and that the UN and nato shud drive out the KLA and the albanians from kosovo... OR.. we get screwed over again and kosovo is allowed to split, becomes a haven for al qaeda and we watch as america bombs kosovo due to terrorism and destorys more churches and historical relics in the process...

Oh no, not the historical relics? :o

[elite_hunter_sh3]

That means a lot coming from a guy who likes to deny his governments complicity in the Bosnian massacres, as he espouses the blessings of communism from the safety of a democratic western nation, all the while boasting about his daddys Hummer.

Oh no, not the historical relics? :o


for the last goddam time stop trying to stray off topic... my dads recretional vehicle has nothing to do with this... either stick on topic or dont post at all....:shifty::shifty::shifty::shifty::roll:

[August]

y dads recretional vehicle has nothing to do with this...either stick on topic or dont post at all....:shifty::shifty::shifty::shifty::roll:
Ok. It's your peoples history, especially its recent past, that has a lot to do with the western worlds attitudes regarding the Kosovo issue. So what can you do or say to change this?

Oh and you might start with your language.

[joea]

Oh no, not the historical relics? :o

No need to mock August, a lot of historical monuments have been destroyed. Monuments that survived the Ottomans and the Nazis!

[GakunGak]

y dads recretional vehicle has nothing to do with this...either stick on topic or dont post at all....:shifty::shifty::shifty::shifty::roll:
Ok. It's your peoples history, especially its recent past, that has a lot to do with the western worlds attitudes regarding the Kosovo issue. So what can you do or say to change this?

Oh and you might start with your language.
August, as SH3 said, it is a province. Would you like if someone would try to make California a country? How would you feel? Anyhow, Kosovo is important to our culture, especially the monasteries which are too valuable to be destroyed, like 500+ and counting churches and monasteries, graves dug and discaraced, killing and rape of leftover Serbs still there...
See the other side and then decide YOURSELF what is true and what not.
http://media.srpskinacionalisti.com/dl.php?id=166
http://media.srpskinacionalisti.com/dl.php?id=239
All are RM files, real media video.......
If you don't want to consider seeing the other side and then compare and make a final conclusion of all this, then sorry, I cannot speak anymore...
As for the gov you speak about, I also agree with SH3 about rogue commanders who did crimes, BUT OUR SIDE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE AND OUR CRIMES ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE COMPARED to ustasha's and the others....
My final word on this topic, now monitoring replies....

[Happy Times]

I wouldnt blame the Serbs of being the villains of Balkans. Milosevic ruined his country by getting too powerful enemies, US and some Europeans. The Bosniaks, Albanians and Croats have comitted their share of the crimes and we have to remember WW2 speaking of them. This history was put under the carpet untill Tito died and lead to the rise of Serb nationalism after that. I really dont see how we can take Kosovo from Serbia legally. I would like to hear what solutions would Gakun Gak offer to the Kosovo?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

my solution is to keep kosovo part of serbia and for the UN to send in MINIMUM 3 times the amount of troops they have currently... cuz the terrorist bombings of schools, the crime, the drug and himan traffacking, the al qaeda presence is getting too high....we might as well change the name to kosovostan..... clean that place up and under UN supervision start sending in back serb families who have been illegally driven out of there homes... get the UN to find out who legally and originally owned the property.. and whoever owned it, gets it.. serb or albanian...

1999 demographics
http://www.royalistnews.info/admin/data/upimages/KOSOVO1999.jpg

2002 demographics
http://www.royalistnews.info/admin/data/upimages/KOSOVO2002.jpg

2004 ethnic cleansing by albanian terrorist group
http://www.royalistnews.info/admin/data/upimages/KOSOVO2004.jpg

[The Avon Lady]

The UN is absolutely useless. How can you seriously imagine relying on them?

[TteFAboB]

Serbija? That's how you say it in...Serbijian, or is it a typo?

And while we're in the Balkans, how does Hrvatska translate into Croatia?!

[August]

get the UN to find out who legally and originally owned the property.. and whoever owned it, gets it.. serb or albanian...

Wait a tic. Earlier you said:

UN and nato shud drive out the KLA and the albanians from kosovo

So which is it? Personally I believe Serbs want the latter just like in Bosnia.

[The Avon Lady]

get the UN to find out who legally and originally owned the property.. and whoever owned it, gets it.. serb or albanian...

Wait a tic. Earlier you said:

UN and nato shud drive out the KLA and the albanians from kosovo

So which is it? Personally I believe Serbs want the latter just like in Bosnia.
I agree. Now choose sides wisely.

[Skybird]

"recreational vehicles...?" :lol:

Balkans is a messed up place. War crimes has been committed from all participating sides. Milosevic needs to face a major share of the responsibility for the violance. Europe should not be so eager to help install another Albanian-Muslim country in Europe (Kosovo). I consider the Serb's historic attention for Kosovo a bit hysteric or over-nationalistic or pathetic (if I remember correctly what started their mystic transfiguration of that place called Amselfeld was a final military defeat delivered by the Osmans, after several battles before were sometimes won by the Serbs, sometimes by the Osmans), but I agree to leave the place to them, for sheer pragmatism and interests of Europe. A Serbish Kosovo is better for Europe than an Albanian independant one. So although Elite Hunter and GagunGak may raise their eyebrows about my lacking respect for Serbish history and self-understanding, they may nevertheless understand that my reason why I would prefer a Serbish Kosovo is for even more substantial reasons than just sympathizing for a national sentiment. And if the EU would agree on my position, that would make a more solid and trustworthy support for Serbia than just sympathizing lip confessions on historic arguments. Tragedy is that before Milosevic, both ethnicities lived relatively peacefully side by side, for the past decades and longer. That will never come back.

In the end, Yugoslavia suffered the same fate like almost all mutli-cultural societies: formed and held together by force, and braking apart again in violance. I think, not only Kosovo but Bosnia as well will remain to be running sores in the EU's hyper-idealistic plans to turn these places into tolerant multi-cultural societies. Very much off reality that assessement is, imo, and thus a waste of EU tax ressources. but what am I preaching - EU-theocrats always know it better, don't they.

[GakunGak]

get the UN to find out who legally and originally owned the property.. and whoever owned it, gets it.. serb or albanian...

Wait a tic. Earlier you said:

UN and nato shud drive out the KLA and the albanians from kosovo

So which is it? Personally I believe Serbs want the latter just like in Bosnia.
LEGALLY, Still, under 1244 UN Resolution, we still OWN KOSOVO AS OUR province.
For my solution:
1. Serbs must have unrestricted basic human rights, all if possible.
2. At least 1000 military and police units deployed from Serbia
3. Serbs should have right for it's place in the parlament and goverment, to have it's share, at least minimum ammount.
4. More NATO/UN military presence
5. Reconstruction of their homes from the albanian gov
6. Unrestricted use of public service in any form
7. Unrestricted use of religious objects, like churches, monasteries and other
8. Guaranteed right on life!!!!!!!!!
9. Absolutelly NO KLA presence in vincinity of serbian population
10. Social help direct from Serbia.
11. KOSOVO stays as a province of Serbia, under majority of Albanians under supervision from Belgrade.
I belive this may be possible...
--------------
Serbian Radical Party is actually making a "working" plan for this matter......
These are my minimum.:hmm:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

and that means any form of independence HAS to be put to a national referendum.. that means ALL OF SERBIA... including kosovo... that means that its 2 million albanians vs the other 10 million....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6909127.stm

[GakunGak]

and that means any form of independence HAS to be put to a national referendum.. that means ALL OF SERBIA... including kosovo... that means that its 2 million albanians vs the other 10 million....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6909127.stm
That is a tricky maneuver as the Albanians know that they would lose.
This last part of the bbc link you gave made me wonder....

The Serbian pull-out came after Nato air raids, launched to halt a Serb crackdown on ethnic Albanians, some of whom had taken up arms.
:hmm:

[waste gate]

From what I have read this is a European problem that it doesn't want to address.
Grow a pair and stop blaming others and letting them fight what are Europe's problems to fix.

What is wrong with Europe?

EDIT:

I am aware that the US has been involved in this. My feeling is that it never should have been, nor should it be in the future. Let Europe pay for this problem, socially, culturally, monetarily, the whole nine yards, and live with the consequences. It is in Europe's back yard.

Want to know why EU economies are doing so well? Its called a free ride.

[GakunGak]

Serbija? That's how you say it in...Serbijian, or is it a typo?

And while we're in the Balkans, how does Hrvatska translate into Croatia?!
In fact, it's a typo...
We say SRBIJA, outside call it SERBIA.
Also International name for Montenegro is Crna Gora.
For Russia, we say RUSIJA.
For USA, we say Sjedinjene Americke Drzave or Amerika.
:lol:

EDIT: when will USA start using North American Union?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

LOL what union... its USA and Canada province of USA...... :shifty: speaking on the fact on how canadas economy is 90% depenedent on us economy..


@Waste gate: Well said !!:up: thats wut we have beeen saying ever since they started bombing.. in simple terms USA... ITS NONE OF UR ****ING BUSINESS!!!:shifty::shifty: they never shudda bombed yugoslavia.. dont forget it was a illegal bombing jus like the recent iraq war...

[GakunGak]

LOL what union... its USA and Canada province of USA...... :shifty: speaking on the fact on how canadas economy is 90% depenedent on us economy..


@Waste gate: Well said !!:up: thats wut we have beeen saying ever since they started bombing.. in simple terms USA... ITS NONE OF UR ****ING BUSINESS!!!:shifty::shifty: they never shudda bombed yugoslavia.. dont forget it was a illegal bombing jus like the recent iraq war...
Carefull now.....
You should have said US Goverment, because US is like all of the Americans and majority in US DID NOT SUPPORT the agression and demanded an immediate halt of all military strikes on YU....:know:
Actually, NAU is the union of USA, Canada & Mexico and the joint currency is to be called Amero, like euro in European Union....:yep:
BOT: I'm glad Russia and China are backing us up, as it is a great plus for us...

[waste gate]

@Waste gate: Well said !!:up: thats wut we have beeen saying ever since they started bombing.. in simple terms USA... ITS NONE OF UR ****ING BUSINESS!!!:shifty::shifty: they never shudda bombed yugoslavia.. dont forget it was a illegal bombing jus like the recent iraq war...

We should not intervene in Yugoslavia or any other nation in Europe. Using NATO as an excuse to do so is doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

With regard to Iraq being illegal, that is not the case. I give you as an act of congress;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

[GakunGak]

@Waste gate: Well said !!:up: thats wut we have beeen saying ever since they started bombing.. in simple terms USA... ITS NONE OF UR ****ING BUSINESS!!!:shifty::shifty: they never shudda bombed yugoslavia.. dont forget it was a illegal bombing jus like the recent iraq war...

We should not intervene in Yugoslavia or any other nation in Europe. Using NATO as an excuse to do so is doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

With regard to Iraq being illegal, that is not the case. I give you as an act of congress;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
Dear sir, with all due respect, I still fail to understand what chemical weapons of mass destruction the US is pursuing and what kind of mass-destruction weapon is found in Iraq to justify the occupation besides the brutal execution of Saddam Husein?
Hundrends of Iraqi civillians and US soldiers lose their lives dially for exactlly what?
No disrispect, I just want some proper intelligence on this issue....:|\\

[waste gate]

@Waste gate: Well said !!:up: thats wut we have beeen saying ever since they started bombing.. in simple terms USA... ITS NONE OF UR ****ING BUSINESS!!!:shifty::shifty: they never shudda bombed yugoslavia.. dont forget it was a illegal bombing jus like the recent iraq war...

We should not intervene in Yugoslavia or any other nation in Europe. Using NATO as an excuse to do so is doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

With regard to Iraq being illegal, that is not the case. I give you as an act of congress;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
Dear sir, with all due respect, I still fail to understand what chemical weapons of mass destruction the US is pursuing and what kind of mass-destruction weapon is found in Iraq to justify the occupation besides the brutal execution of Saddam Husein?


If you look at the act of congress you will find the following:
a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.





Nothing stated about chemical weapons.

Saddam Husein was executed by the Iraqi government after due process in an Iraqi court, with legal representation by one Warren Christopher among others.

I will freely admit that the US invaded Iraq. It did so for the reasons articulated by the congressional authorization.

EDIT:

The US has an vulontary military force. I have to think that everyone in the military knows their duty.

[GakunGak]

If I remember correctlly, number one reason to invade Iraq was that CIA had instructed the president that there is an enormous ammount of weapons of mass destruction, and after brief inspection, no such weapons were found. Then CIA admited her "intelligence" was an error and even after Saddam Hussein was executed and after Abu Garib or whatever that prison is called, when "Mission Acomplished" is flown from an US Aircraft Carrier, what is the reason, or if you like, a threat left to counter in Iraq even when more and more people in US vote for troop going back home and that number rising more and more rapidlly, still the reason for the military operations in Iraq are exactlly what? No bashing/spamming or any other form of hatred feelings intended, I just don't see the reason for a "war that could last generation after generation".....
Call me a conspiracy theorist fanboy, but still I find no reason for this being done for a good cause or continuing to be doing so....:hmm:
However, that is my opinion on this issue alone and I'm open to all kinds of discussions. :know: :hmm:

[waste gate]

If I remember correctlly, number one reason to invade Iraq was that CIA had instructed the president that there is an enormous ammount of weapons of mass destruction, and after brief inspection, no such weapons were found. Then CIA admited her "intelligence" was an error and even after Saddam Hussein was executed and after Abu Garib or whatever that prison is called, when "Mission Acomplished" is flown from an US Aircraft Carrier, what is the reason, or if you like, a threat left to counter in Iraq even when more and more people in US vote for troop going back home and that number rising more and more rapidlly, still the reason for the military operations in Iraq are exactlly what? No bashing/spamming or any other form of hatred feelings intended, I just don't see the reason for a "war that could last generation after generation".....
Call me a conspiracy theorist fanboy, but still I find no reason for this being done for a good cause or continuing to be doing so....:hmm:
However, that is my opinion on this issue alone and I'm open to all kinds of discussions. :know: :hmm:

I appreciate your weariness after four almost five years of hostilities, but you have yet to read the congressional act which authorized military action in Iraq. If you have read the authorization then you choose to ignore it. Nothing I can do about that but don't confuse the lack of action that Europe has shown in Yugoslavia with
the progress made by the people of Iraq.

[GakunGak]

If I remember correctlly, number one reason to invade Iraq was that CIA had instructed the president that there is an enormous ammount of weapons of mass destruction, and after brief inspection, no such weapons were found. Then CIA admited her "intelligence" was an error and even after Saddam Hussein was executed and after Abu Garib or whatever that prison is called, when "Mission Acomplished" is flown from an US Aircraft Carrier, what is the reason, or if you like, a threat left to counter in Iraq even when more and more people in US vote for troop going back home and that number rising more and more rapidlly, still the reason for the military operations in Iraq are exactlly what? No bashing/spamming or any other form of hatred feelings intended, I just don't see the reason for a "war that could last generation after generation".....
Call me a conspiracy theorist fanboy, but still I find no reason for this being done for a good cause or continuing to be doing so....:hmm:
However, that is my opinion on this issue alone and I'm open to all kinds of discussions. :know: :hmm:


I appreciate your weariness after four almost five years of hostilities, but you have yet to read the congressional act which authorized military action in Iraq. If you have read the authorization then you choose to ignore it. Nothing I can do about that but don't confuse the lack of action that Europe has shown in Yugoslavia with
the progress made by the people of Iraq.
First of all, sorry for not responding quick enough, been testing Ship Simulator 2008...
BOT: I will read the congressional act tomorow as here is 04:11 CET, still, as a pacifist, I belive major conflicts can be resolved without utilising a military force...:know:

[August]

If I remember correctlly, number one reason to invade Iraq was that CIA had instructed the president that there is an enormous ammount of weapons of mass destruction, and after brief inspection, no such weapons were found. Then CIA admited her "intelligence" was an error and even after Saddam Hussein was executed and after Abu Garib or whatever that prison is called, when "Mission Acomplished" is flown from an US Aircraft Carrier, what is the reason, or if you like, a threat left to counter in Iraq even when more and more people in US vote for troop going back home and that number rising more and more rapidlly, still the reason for the military operations in Iraq are exactlly what? No bashing/spamming or any other form of hatred feelings intended, I just don't see the reason for a "war that could last generation after generation".....
Call me a conspiracy theorist fanboy, but still I find no reason for this being done for a good cause or continuing to be doing so....:hmm:
However, that is my opinion on this issue alone and I'm open to all kinds of discussions. :know: :hmm:

Well your opinion is based on a flawed understanding of the facts.

When you say the "CIA had instructed the president" the implication is that this was a one time report, when in fact they were a series of thousands of reports from various sources given to the sitting presidentS AND to Congress over a 10 year period.

Heck, Saddam himself deliberately fostered the notion he had large stockpiles of WMD at his disposal (and more the point the willingess to use them), and went out of his way to obfusicate the weapons inspectors efforts at every turn. Why do you think the Democrats voted for the war? Certainly not because of some lone report from the Republicans, it's because they'd been hearing the same thing over and over during the previous 8 years when they were in power.

Then there is the fact that Hussein had been shooting at the our people patrolling the UN mandated no fly zones, hundreds of times, practically ever since the first Gulf War had ended. Paying Palestinian suicide bombers, letting AQ bigwigs get medical treatment (unofficially of course) and generally making as much of a nuisance of himself as possible.

You add it all that up over a decade WITHOUT the benefit of hindsight, and it was obvious he was a threat that had to be addressed, if not for what he supposedly had already, but for what he had the potential of getting the longer we left him in power. He had the will, there is no doubt about that and with the UN oil for food programs and his containent in general leaking like a sieve it was only a matter of time before he would be again ready to cause real trouble.

As for your "generation after generation" comment, yeah, I'm sorry to say that the war against terror IS going to last for generations, militarily, ideologically, economically you name it. Iraq is but one battle within that war, nothing more and certainly nothing less.

[Skybird]

By terms of international law, the Iraq war was perfectly illegal. That congress did not ask enough question whe deciding on the issue (it was more like that they just waved it through, and today is remembered as the day of shame in congress) does not change that. Progress in Iraq - well, if somebody still is not aware of the shining absence of such progress, then it cvannot be helped, nor does he understand the dynamic of the powers opposing the US in that region. Patraeus cannot acchieve miracles, but that would be what is needed.

Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq war all do not compare. And the Kosovo war helped at least in one thing: to get Milosevic out of office, and bring an end to the ongoing attrocities, and get Serbia stoppng to terrorize all over the place. the nsiping championships at Sarajevo for example were particularly nasty, or the masscre at Srebrenica, and there have been so many more, it seems. hoiw many mass graves media reported that have been found since then? Seen this way, NATO has miserably failed not let fall a hammer to stop this happening in it's backyard much sooner. Omn the other hand, now there is a de facto Albanian Kosovo, and a highly fragile Bosnia, both having the potential for spike future unrest and conflict. If this is an argukment why one should have let the Balkan wars continue, can be argued indeed. I find it difficult, and wether ethics nor logic seem to have a reasonable place in judging this constellation.

I would wish the Balkans area and it's history simply would not be there.

[GakunGak]

@Skybird: I belive you understand that there is only one-story coverup that mass media use as a propaganda against Serbia like we are some kind of terrorists.:doh:
So the war Neo-Cons/Masons/Illuminati/Younameit constructed and because Milosevic failed to comply with their wishes and he was poisoned/murdered/assasinated/younameit in his prison cell in Haag [Dr. Vojislav Seselj, president of the Serbian Radical Party is next on the blacklist, btw...] and now Serbians are terrorists for the mass grave Srebrenica while mainstream media ignored mass torture of Serbian civilians [I can show you the video, if you want....] and that seems not to be enough, but they separated Montenegro from Serbia and that is not enough, but they want to take away KOSOVO, then Vojvodina, then eastern/western/southern parts of Serbia until Belgrade is left of our country... How "DEMONCRATIC" is that? And how are we supposed to like the govs of those countries who do this to us? Suddenly, for a YU breakout, Serbia is to blame because of the single man Milosevic who was taken out of office and standed trial and defended himself the way any Serb should be proud and was killed, and years after that, what, because of Milosevic? So, today somebody bomb us, it was for Milosevic? Give me a break! To stand aside and watch KOSOVO being taken out from us? Oh no, no sir! I am more than ready to give my life for my country NO MATTER WHAT and if it is expected of me, I will do it, no questions asked!
If am suspect of being guilty for defending my country for that it belongs to us, under death punishment, yes sir, I'm guilty by all charges and I'm proud of it! I'm proud of my culture, my faith and my history! One thing I'm not proud at all is my gov as the radicals should take over the ruling once and for all, not those sissy demoncrats that kiss every ass of those that give them a few bucks......:|\\
This is my humble opinion, IMHO!:lol:

[Skybird]

I leave the emotional part to you and your people and your opponents. Why I would prefer to see Kosovo remaining serbian, I have said somewhere earlier. My motives for that are different than yours, but since I nevertheless agree on the desirable outcome concenring Kosovo you maybe nevertheless can live with my position. I am not Serbian and thus must not share national Serbian sentiments.

However, i also say that I see the major part of responsibility for the outbreak of the greatest attrocities and acts of war crimes in Europe since WWII with the government in Belgrade. And this violance at the outer periphery of Europe's sphere of influence had to be brought to a halt, at all costs. Else it would have meant that we had not learned anything from the history of the third reich at all. seen that way, europe already reacted too late, too tame, and again left the major effort to the US, which certainly is no compliment for us Europeans. I must agree with my honoured usual opponents August and Waste Gate that this should have been left to the European part of NATO exclusively, with the US staying away from engaging with additional ressources that are not by default embedded in the European NATO defense structure (AWACS, NATO logistics for example). And I must also agree with them that Europe probably would have (in fact: has) failed in trying that.

However, the many attrocities, mass killings, snipers on rampage, targetted killings of civilians, organized mass rapings, torturings, mass expulsions, burnings, etc etc have been brought to a relative halt, and for the time being, that is what counts. Maybe not for Serbia. But for the actual and potential future victims, no matter their nationality. This does not mean that I have any sympathy for the Albanian militia, which I think of more in terms of a mafia. I also had no sympathy for the Serbian militias marauding the country and terrorizing civilians. Do I demonize all Serbian people? No, I'm not saying all Serbians are devils, and bloodthirsty monsters. But in the name of Serbia, quite some criminal leaders and murderous elements and barbaric militias commited draconic crimes and bloodsheds. And I insist on Serbish people accepting that they allowed these crimes to be commited in their nation's and their hiostory's name, and partially even backwardly try to morally legitimize them from today's present perspective. We are not talking about ancient generations, we are not talking about holding babies responsibly for the deeds of their fathers, but we talk about the still living contemporary witnesses. As long as Serbia does not accept it's share of responsibility in the Balkan mess, it shall not have a legitimate place in the circle of European nations. This is true for Croatia as well. Croatian militias also commited acts of war crimes, and not few.

It's all a Balkanese mess, and apparently there are only loosers: former Yugoslavia, the civilian people in the warzones, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, the EU, and the US as well (having earned plenty of accusations, but no real compensation for the military effort). Company does not save you from misery.

[Skybird]

Dammit, I knew I should have stayed away from this thread, that's why I was late - and now I am in the middle of it again. :lol: Not really my cup of tea.

Therefore I push the emergency-halt-button and leave here.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

IMHO the world shudda left us alone to solve our own problems or bomb ourselves till either 1 side is dead or both sides or dead.......:doh: now they stopped it and theres gonna be alot more stuff going down over there...:shifty::shifty:

[GakunGak]

@SH3: That makes me wonder: Would I still ever be alive?:lol:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

my cousins wudnt prolly be alive... but i wud be.. born in 89 :lol: brother born in 91... and my sister was born in canda in 1995... so... lol :doh::doh:

[GakunGak]

So, is the war always a solution to our problems?:lol:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

well so far peace isnt a solution.... serbs are still being driven out, churches are still being burned... :shifty::shifty::shifty:

[GakunGak]

well so far peace isnt a solution.... serbs are still being driven out, churches are still being burned... :shifty::shifty::shifty:
True enough...:hmm:
So, what are we gonna use?
Napalm? Trident? Bulava?:D Antrax?

[August]

well so far peace isnt a solution.... serbs are still being driven out, churches are still being burned... :shifty::shifty::shifty: True enough...:hmm:
So, what are we gonna use?
Napalm? Trident? Bulava?:D Antrax?

Not quite sure what you're saying here. Is it a threat and if so against who exactly?

[GakunGak]

well so far peace isnt a solution.... serbs are still being driven out, churches are still being burned... :shifty::shifty::shifty: True enough...:hmm:
So, what are we gonna use?
Napalm? Trident? Bulava?:D Antrax?

Not quite sure what you're saying here. Is it a threat and if so against who exactly?
Actually, sir, not a theat, more like a promise...:rotfl:
Gotta watch military rules somewhere around... again....:rock:

[Takeda Shingen]

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