Harbour Raiding Tips & Tricks...

[Steel_Tomb]

Wheres Mohr when you need him! I just got into the middle of scapa but was joined by five friends...needless to say it ended in all hands lost! Another DiD career over, but this was in 1939! I'm a newbie when it comes to raiding ports, so could do with a few helpful pointers. I was in a Type VIIB U-Boat.

A perfect run, all evasive maneuvers were pointless, four DC's to the rear quater and had the conning tower mashed by the DD as it ran over the top of me! Not pretty! Tried to blow balast and surrender, but I think the hull imploded!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/timmy3822/SH3Img16-7-2007_188.13_218.jpg

[IrischKapitan]

I've raided scapa once (i'll never do it again......) in Nov. 39' and I sunk HMS Illustrious :rock:. The trick of gettin out was stay perpendicular to the shore at P/S depth, when a DD lines you up, (Hard a por or starboard at the last minute) there is a chance that it will run aground :smug:. Off course I raided scapa in a II boat (the best for harbour raiding:yep:)
Just dont do it after 40 (its pretty impregnable then..)

Try these links for info also

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=116800&highlight=harbour+raiding

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107616&highlight=harbour+raiding

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=106460&highlight=harbour+raiding

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Wheres Mohr when you need him! I just got into the middle of scapa but was joined by five friends...needless to say it ended in all hands lost! Another DiD career over, but this was in 1939! I'm a newbie when it comes to raiding ports, so could do with a few helpful pointers. I was in a Type VIIB U-Boat.

A perfect run, all evasive maneuvers were pointless, four DC's to the rear quater and had the conning tower mashed by the DD as it ran over the top of me! Not pretty! Tried to blow balast and surrender, but I think the hull imploded!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/timmy3822/SH3Img16-7-2007_188.13_218.jpg

here i am mate.
what side did you enter ? east south or west ?

[Steel_Tomb]

I came in through the South entrance, got past about 5 DD's but one of them picked me up not far from where the ships are docked, called for some friends, including a few aircraft, which although couldn't damage me, were a constant neusance.

[Indiana_Jones]

Go in from the East. in GWX there's sunk ships there used as blockage, but you sneak on in :D

Also, don't ever surface. Ever.........

and keep my ur periscope use to a minimum, they tend to shoot it off lol

-Indy

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

I came in through the South entrance, got past about 5 DD's but one of them picked me up not far from where the ships are docked, called for some friends, including a few aircraft, which although couldn't damage me, were a constant neusance.

the south enterance had a subnet :shifty:
unless you dont play GWX

i enter east and exit west.

@ indy: you have no idea :arrgh!:
i dont do anything else than surfaced trough the harbour

[Steel_Tomb]

Lol Mojr, your the kind of guy who on sight of a lone DD goes flank speed on the surface firing away with the deck gun! :P. :arrgh!:

I'll try it the way you do it. When is the best time to go in? When I go in all I get is a troop transport and a DD parked up:down:, I want some carriers or BB's!

[Penelope_Grey]

Right if you want to go in, and get away with it here is what you will do.

Firstly, wait till nightfall. Sneak in at a reasonably slow speed on the surface and if needbe, put the boat low in the water.

If you sight a destroyer be prepared to go to Periscope depth and silent running. Don't rush wait for him to pass, he will be using hydrophones not ASDIC unless you alert him somehow.

When clear come back to the surface and continue sneaking, going up and down as necessary. Keep your battery charged up at all costs, you may need it.

When you sight juicy targets fire and then leave. Don't stick about or you are asking for hurt.

Generally speaking shallow water = death for U-boats.

[Happy Times]

Well Prien used the Eastern entrence of Scapa through the blocade ships. This is modeled in GWX. What isnt is the lack of patrols inside the Scapa. I have changed this from mission editor for myself, no patrols inside the Scapa until october 13th 1939 and novice crews in everything parked there. Remember that Prien was also surfaced during the raid. So untill Priens raid there will be the chance to try to do the same in the game. Maybe with even better results.:arrgh!:

[TarJak]

Here try this:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96843

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Lol Mojr, your the kind of guy who on sight of a lone DD goes flank speed on the surface firing away with the deck gun! :P. :arrgh!:

I'll try it the way you do it. When is the best time to go in? When I go in all I get is a troop transport and a DD parked up:down:, I want some carriers or BB's!

if your a biginner i say... go surfeced to the harbour at night :up:
and about the BB's and carriers... :hmm:
dont know the date's but they are there some times

flank for a lone DD eh... naaaah. slow speed at a TF and blast them to damnation :arrgh!:

Mohr

[Jimbuna]

I would advise you take the advice given by TarJak :yep:

Here is a list of moored capital ships dates/locations based on stock:

1939/09/15 - 1939/10/10, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1939/10/04 - 1939/10/14, Battleship Revenge, Scapa Flow
1939/11/01 - 1940/01/05, Battleship Nelson, Loch Ewe
1939/11/05 - 1939/12/05, Battleship Revenge, Loch Ewe
1940/03/01 - 1940/05/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/03/07 - 1940/04/25, Aircraft Carrier Illustrious, Scapa Flow
1940/04/01 - 1940/06/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/05/17 - 1945/01/01, Fiji Light Cruiser, Loch Ewe
1940/05/24 - 1940/06/30, Dido Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/12/11 - 1940/12/31, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow
1941/02/01 - 1941/02/17, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/02/10 - 1941/03/20, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/03/15 - 1945/04/30, Fiji Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1942/02/03 - 1942/02/28, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow
1942/02/15 - 1943/09/03, Aircraft Carrier Illustrious, Loch Ewe

[mowgli99]

Yep once again mohr i am raiding like an expert all around. Perhaps i could be as good as you, although i have yet to take on a concoy surfaced. I've taken on a dd and armed trawler surfaced once:lol: . --Mowgli

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Yep once again mohr i am raiding like an expert all around. Perhaps i could be as good as you, although i have yet to take on a concoy surfaced. I've taken on a dd and armed trawler surfaced once:lol: . --Mowgli

nice to hear that from one of my students :know: :rotfl:
what DD type ? :hmm: there are some easyer than others
anyway... you also passed your first test... 2 to go

[mowgli99]

i believe it was river class. What are the other tests:hmm: . Take on a tf and convoy right?

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

exactly :arrgh!:
when passing these test you get 2 even more dangerous tests MWARHARHAR
but if your as good as me (wich i think that is) you will pas these to

[Sailor Steve]

So untill Priens raid there will be the chance to try to do the same in the game. Maybe with even better results.:arrgh!:
Excellent! And after Prien's raid there should be no chance of getting into any British base. Ever.

[Kaleun_Saxi]

I have to say that I find harbour raids quite easy and enjoying. I'm playing GWX, am in late 1940, have just returned from three harbour raids on one patrol, having been in Loch Ewe (good), Firth Of Clyde (boring) and Liverpool (more boring). Loch Ewe is very hardly defended (one Elco, one Trawler), so you can do what you like as long as you stay submerged (the Fiji will kill you otherwise), and in Firth of Clyde it was the same defense (but with a sub net to pay attention on). Liverpool was a threat, three Trawlers and one Elco chased me through the channel to the habour, but they eventually all ran aground thanks to the AI stupidity. Liverpool hadn't got big ships, just a big tanker and a large freighter, but they were American, so I didn't attack. If you are already in the harbour, it's fun playing around.

Last patrol I was in Dover, starting from Calais, and successfully killed the whole harbour, with a little help from two wings of JU-88s. There were many DDs, Trawlers and Elcos, but due to AI's stupidity they all crashed against the quays and sunk themselves. Also it's nice to surface in the inner harbour if you can make a direct line between you and two warships. The last warship will kill the one in the middle, and I am protected by the buildings in between both harbours. :rotfl:
Even new arriving DDs crashed on the quays, some sank, some stayed there unmanoeuverable. I had plenty of time getting all those Freighters with the deck gun and the huge Liner and CL with three torpedoes each. Happy hunting.

After shooting all torpedoes and returning through the channel to my new base in Lorient (yes, I made it through the Channel, just navigate close to the French coast and you'll survive) I spotted a large convoy, having the Revenge BB in the middle. I could only kill it with my AA guns, but didn't risk it. What a pitty I didn't have any torpedoes left.

Anyway, I am harbour raiding quite often and don't find it that difficult. So far. Now it's early 1941... things will get worse, I think. :down:

[Avatar]

Raiding during a storm makes it easier too.
Once I made a southern entrance raid and all of the DD's were pointing toward land as if they beached themselves in fear of U-53! :arrgh!:

must have been a glitch
I'm playing gwx1.03 loaded via SH3 cdr.

[maillemaker]

Yeah, harbor raiding really isn't that tough, even in GWX. The hard part is making the approach on the surface and getting as close as you can before you have to submerge, because you'll need your batteries and air to get you all the way in.

But once you are in, you are set. The AI is not very bright in harbor, and it is trivial to get them to crash into land or the docks. You can even surface, using the docks as a shield, and wait until all the ships have run out of ammo. Then you can sail out and finish everyone off with the deck gun! :)

If you want to play reaslistically the only hard part will be timing when you first submerge so you have enough air and batteries to make it in and out. If you can avoid detection on the way in and out, you're home free. It's not so tough - stay at 2 knots or less.

[Sailor Steve]

...and Liverpool (more boring).
Liverpool was a main concentration point for North Atlantic convoys. There should be 50-100 merchants there at any one time, and more escorts than you could hope to survive. Same with Loch Ewe, or any main naval base.

[Kaleun_Saxi]

...and Liverpool (more boring).
Liverpool was a main concentration point for North Atlantic convoys. There should be 50-100 merchants there at any one time, and more escorts than you could hope to survive. Same with Loch Ewe, or any main naval base.

you're right, there SHOULD be more ships. Until now, the most crowded harbour I raided was Dover, about 15 ships, followed by Scapa Flow and Loch Ewe.

Funnily enough, someone raided Firth Of Clyde before me, most of the ships were already sunk when i approached. The big ones, of course :x

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

...and Liverpool (more boring). Liverpool was a main concentration point for North Atlantic convoys. There should be 50-100 merchants there at any one time, and more escorts than you could hope to survive. Same with Loch Ewe, or any main naval base.
you're right, there SHOULD be more ships. Until now, the most crowded harbour I raided was Dover, about 15 ships, followed by Scapa Flow and Loch Ewe.

Funnily enough, someone raided Firth Of Clyde before me, most of the ships were already sunk when i approached. The big ones, of course :x

wasnt me :roll::arrgh!:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

I would advise you take the advice given by TarJak :yep:

Here is a list of moored capital ships dates/locations based on stock:

1939/09/15 - 1939/10/10, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1939/10/04 - 1939/10/14, Battleship Revenge, Scapa Flow
1939/11/01 - 1940/01/05, Battleship Nelson, Loch Ewe
1939/11/05 - 1939/12/05, Battleship Revenge, Loch Ewe
1940/03/01 - 1940/05/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/03/07 - 1940/04/25, Aircraft Carrier Illustrious, Scapa Flow
1940/04/01 - 1940/06/01, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/05/17 - 1945/01/01, Fiji Light Cruiser, Loch Ewe
1940/05/24 - 1940/06/30, Dido Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1940/12/11 - 1940/12/31, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow
1941/02/01 - 1941/02/17, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/02/10 - 1941/03/20, Auxiliary Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1941/03/15 - 1945/04/30, Fiji Light Cruiser, Scapa Flow
1942/02/03 - 1942/02/28, Battleship King George V, Scapa Flow
1942/02/15 - 1943/09/03, Aircraft Carrier Illustrious, Loch Ewe
im in Loch Ewe at the moment and was shocked when seeing this. this time im glad its night
all i realy can say is... JACKPOT!!! :arrgh!:
note: look at the date...
note to self: dont do a surfaced attack now! :stare:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/evangelionunit03/SH3Img21-7-2007_176.49_718.jpg


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/evangelionunit03/SH3Img21-7-2007_176.39_468.jpg

ladie's and gentlemen. your looking at the home fleet!
the Nelson
the Rodney
the Hood
the Illustrious
and about 4 DD's

[Jimbuna]

Go on...be a man...surface and bare your rear tube at em :arrgh!:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i whiped them out... but this time i didnt use the DG... IM NOT THAT MAD! :dead:

fired 2 torpedo's at the big BB's and the DD's just blew up :huh: