Patch 1.3 = No Disk

[FAdmiral]

Is it just me or has the 1.3 patch eliminated the need to have
the disk in the drive to play. I used to get the disk check upon
starting but now it just loads directly without checking for the disk.

JIM

[MobyGrape]

If it's just you, add me to that list:yep:

[Fearless]

Yep, no disk needed anymore. :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

Nope it is everyone. If you watch the patch load in the very last file is the no cd exe file.:up: Nice added little bonus:D

[FAdmiral]

Nice added BIG bonus if you ask me...............

JIM

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice added BIG bonus if you ask me...............

JIM

And here we thought the developers packed up camp and split. No one listening to us. We should be ashamed:oops: Yeah it is a great big bonus:rock:

[Camaero]

Those guys really rock for that!!!

[CaptainHaplo]

Indeed they do - makes me happy being able to put my DVD up and not have to worry about getting into (more) trouble for discussing no cd cracks... Plus will cut down on the number of folks asking about why something is goofy when they used one. A thanks to the devs (and to ubi who had to ok it..)!

[Von Tonner]

Yes, I agree. It is great not having to have the disk loaded everytime you want to play BUT. Does this not open a huge barn door to piracy? And if it does, that surely will impact on revenue for UBI. UBI must know this and also know that loyalty from legit customers has been severley undermined given the original copy to the point where some might rationalise "you screwed me, so now my buddy gets my disk and patch".

So, my worry is, maybe they have decided that that is it with subsim and it is time to move on and are prepared to accept the loss in future sales.:hmm:

[kiwi_2005]

Yes, I agree. It is great not having to have the disk loaded everytime you want to play BUT. Does this not open a huge barn door to piracy?


IMO No. This game was already cracked way before patch 1.3 so i dont see a difference - also people will still go out buying the game not knowing about whats in patch 1.3 (no-cd) until they install the patch, even then they still might not know. Some gamers new to subsim games wont even install the patches or know about them. Hence a mate of mine still plays Silent Hunter 3 version 1.0, to him the game aint broken so no need to fix it.


And if it does, that surely will impact on revenue for UBI. UBI must know this and also know that loyalty from legit customers has been severley undermined given the original copy to the point where some might rationalise "you screwed me, so now my buddy gets my disk and patch".
So, my worry is, maybe they have decided that that is it with subsim and it is time to move on and are prepared to accept the loss in future sales.:hmm:

No again. One game comes to mind that has put out a no-cd was "X2 The Threat" also another - Nexus. I dont think they will see a loss in future sales cause not everyone that plays games is into these nocds/cracks etc., so they wont know about it. eg Some will still put in the dvd after patching it to 1.3 not knowing you dont need it. Im one of them! :) i didn't even know about the nocd in patch 1.3 until i read it here...

[XanderF]

If it's just you, add me to that list:yep:

Same, here.

I'd read (in another post, IIRC), that this just removes the check for the DVD. IE., the DVD is still needed to prevent the "Fade" protection scheme from breaking the game after you've played it for a while. It just doesn't check for the DVD first, anymore.

If so, this inclusion of the "no DVD check" might be accidental, in the same way the periscope animations broke in this patch.

[Tobus]

It't the ever continuing debate: does no-cd patching improve pirating? I don't think so, because you simply can't prove people who dl'ed a game would have bought it also if they hadn't had the opportunity to dl in the first place.

A big thumbs up from me to UBI for this feature!:up:

[XanderF]

It't the ever continuing debate: does no-cd patching improve pirating? I don't think so, because you simply can't prove people who dl'ed a game would have bought it also if they hadn't had the opportunity to dl in the first place.

A big thumbs up from me to UBI for this feature!:up:

Well, the case of 'Starsiege: Tribes' is pretty damning. Multiplayer-only game with no CD check - at it's peak, it had over 1 million people playing on the public servers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_%28series%29). Which is pretty remarkable, when you think about it, given the game only sold about 200,000 copies, took a full CD to copy, and this was before the time of widespread broadband.

For the non-math-savvy, that's 4 copies stolen for every 1 sold.

[Reaves]

You still need the DVD for the game to run properly.

One example is the characters in the command room "losing" their eyes. :dead:

[switch.dota]

I've had 7-8 hrs straight of playing with no problems. DVD nowhere near my PC :P

[Lagger123987]

This is new to me, still have the disk in still, going to remove it then and keep SH4 disk in a safe place.

[maerean_m]

The game only uses the data on the harddrive. The dvd was used only for copyright checking, and since that protection is gone, you can put the dvd aside.

The missing eyes are a bug, unrelated to the dvd.

[stabiz]

And this was because Ubisoft was sick of people calling about the fade protection, according to one of the romanians in another thread, not because they listen to us. :rotfl:

Edit: The brand new Company of Heroes also has this nice feature. Its a godsend.

[AVGWarhawk]

And this was because Ubisoft was sick of people calling about the fade protection, according to one of the romanians in another thread, not because they listen to us. :rotfl:

They were listening and got tired of listening so they created a no cd exe. Kind of like the bill collectors calling all the time....you get tired of listening to it so pay the bill.;)

[Jmack]

its a nice feature ... but i guess it means that the game is being " abandoned "

[Sailor Steve]

I'm surprised anyone would ask. It was mentioned several times in the official threads, and much discussed there.

[orangenee]

I can now switch explorer off BEFORE I play now, the disc check was far too unreliable to do it before, so I only have the disc in for the autorun screen now.

[Stryker412]

Company of Heroes, Microsoft Flight Sim X, and Supreme Commander all don't require the disc. I don't think it hurt their sales. I wish more companies would do this.

[tycho102]

I'm also really happy with the no-DVD patch. Very much appreciated.

[Hitman]

My two cents:

Cent#1: I have always thought that the main user of naval games is on average much older than in other popular games, and normally has also both a sense of honesty and enough money to buy legitimate copies of the games, so that the official No-DVD exe is IMHO a correct policy to please that kind of user.

Cent#2: In turn, IMO -and I have of course not conducted any marketing poll- the guys (Usually younger) who use pirate naval games are mainly those who would NEVER have bought them, but use the pirate version because of being "free" for them. I.e. they download the game and try it, but would never have bought it instead if there had not been an cotsless alternative. So on average I don't think that it hurts the game sales, as most pirates would not have bought a legitimate copy. However, they might get hooked to teh concept and be interested in buying further releases, so the idea is not completely mad IMO.

[Hartmann]

It means that the game is "finished" and terminated by ubi.

probably no more patches, improvements or other related games.

i hope that they can release a SDK some day and allow the future evolution of two of the more importants naval sims of the history.:roll:

[elanaiba]

This assumption of "game is finished" is really getting annoying.

[joea]

This assumption of "game is finished" is really getting annoying.

:hmm:

[GT182]

The only reason the SH4 DVD was needed prior to 1.3 was so the copy protection system could verify you were running a legit copy SH4. Same reason for SHIII. So more than likely I'd say yes, no more patches..... end of SH4 game support. But stranger things have happened. They might continue if you're nice, seeing there are more problems.

Will this be the way of the future for Ubi? Let's hope so as SOW Battle of Britain is coming out soon. And I do know Oleg doesn't like CP in his creations.

[Jmack]

its what i mean ... i guess no further patches will be released for this. so what was the point of including the no cd .

i believe that they consider this game a finished business as far as their obligations as publishers or releasers


i hope im prooved wrong on this one

[Sailor Steve]

It means that the game is "finished" and terminated by ubi.
Does that mean that they still have plans for SH3, since they didn't do this for that game?

[Seeadler]

It means that the game is "finished" and terminated by ubi. Does that mean that they still have plans for SH3, since they didn't do this for that game?
Here in Germany one gets since a longer time SHIII already with NODVD in a game collection box. And as far I know is the low budget SHIII Exclusiv version from Rondomedia also with NODVD.

What is still missing is a NODVD in form of a official SHIII patch.

[Ilpalazzo]

Whoa that's cool. I just checked and my disc is in the case. I thought I left the disc in my drive since I reinstalled it. That's cool.

Now since they are doing that how about they fix the transparent crew and the zombie crew with no eyes or the creepy crew with huge eyes and whatever else I left out. This better not be the last patch there are still technical issues to be fixed.

[Zinmar]

This is a tad off but do I need to install all the patches or just the 1.3?

[orangenee]

This is a tad off but do I need to install all the patches or just the 1.3?

Just 1.3, it has all the fixes from the previous versions on it as well. Though do a fresh install then patch it to be safe.

[Jmack]

It means that the game is "finished" and terminated by ubi. Does that mean that they still have plans for SH3, since they didn't do this for that game?


sh3 was released a while ago with the x1 addons and i bet it still sells well
imagine if they did a release with GWX 1.04

LOL

[Stew U-582]

I noticed after 1.3 I didnt need the disk but then I found it kept crashing after about 15 min so I went back to using the disk and started the game by inserting the disk and selecting play and it seemed to solve the CTD's

has anyone else experienced this?

[BlackSpot]

I noticed after 1.3 I didnt need the disk but then I found it kept crashing after about 15 min so I went back to using the disk and started the game by inserting the disk and selecting play and it seemed to solve the CTD's

has anyone else experienced this?

VERY interesting - I'm getting CTD with 1.3 - I'll try this! Thanks.

[QuillOmega0]

No-CD is awesome, now I don't have to hunt it down, not that I keep it under lock and key or anything.

Wish they did the same thing for SH3.

[RickC Sniper]

The game only uses the data on the harddrive. The dvd was used only for copyright checking, and since that protection is gone, you can put the dvd aside.


You guys need to read the thread. Your ctd's are caused by something else.

I'm not getting any ctd's, but then I never did with this game from version 1.0 on.


@Elanaiba. That is the second time I have seen you hint that devs may indeed still be working on this game. I hope it is so. :ping:

RickC

[FAdmiral]

It means that the game is "finished" and terminated by ubi.

probably no more patches, improvements or other related games.

i hope that they can release a SDK some day and allow the future evolution of two of the more importants naval sims of the history.:roll:

Guys, Guys, Guys, I mention something about fishing and right away some of
you want to open up a 5 gallon can of worms....

JIM

[Elder-Pirate]

Back in the early days of 1.1 & 1.2 I had crashes both CTD & System crashes. I have a few post on subsim ranting about the sim sucks here or there. I originally had 1 GB ram with no crashes but kind of slow. I then installed two more one GB sticks RAM and wow, game speed up ( for awhile :damn: ) then CTD,CTD. Found out I had the wrong RAM. Purchased the correct one GB Sticks of ram and to this day approximately 115 hours of real life game play later I have never had a CTD or system crash and SH4 has never ran better. I run "PULL DOWN PACIFIC MAP for SH4 for Patch V1.3 REVISION A" by CAPTAIN COX and a couple more fixes typed in.

So I believe if your computer has a problem with SH4 1.3 it is not the fault of stock SH4.
It's easy to blame the DEVs ( :oops: ) but this is not their fault.

And NO the disc is not needed period for 1.3 except to keep the disc jewel case filled maybe.

I have never had the "fade" or bug eye problem. Just to many people whom are not having CTD's nor buggy eyes for this to be a SH4 problem!

Kind of like putting the wrong type gas in you car and you wonder why it won't run right. Oh right, blame the auto mfg. :roll: