Poop from the Pope

[Heibges]

Vun Bible, vun Religion, vun Leader.....I mean Pope.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/10/ap/world/main3039566.shtml?source=search_story

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/10/world/main3037922.shtml?source=search_story

[P_Funk]

What a peacemaker.

"I have come here today to inform you that our brothers and sisters around the world are all GOING TO HELL!"

[bradclark1]

What a peacemaker.

"I have come here today to inform you that our brothers and sisters around the world are all GOING TO HELL!"
Didn't you know? He speaks for God.

[Officerpuppy]

Well, I think he is the most conservative pope in quite a while and he has no problem showing it.

[Chock]

What a total jerk. Really living up to his chosen name it seems isn't he? (not).

I think most people know I'm no fan of religion, but even I can see that man is about as divine and concilliatory as plank of wood.

:D Chock

[darius359au]

Cardinal Ratzinger aka Pope Benedict XVI was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is the warm fuzzy name for The Inqusition.

Its only the second time in the history of the papacy that the head inquisitor's gotten the job.

[bookworm_020]

Any bets on when he'll bring back indulgences???:hmm:

Where is martin Luther when you need him most!

[Reaves]

Didn't you know? He speaks for God.
So does the Brittish Queen apparently.

Let's face it, all organised religions are nothing but a business full of judgementle hypocrits.

God would be disgusted with us all.

[P_Funk]

Didn't you know? He speaks for God.
So does the Brittish Queen apparently.

Let's face it, all organised religions are nothing but a business full of judgementle hypocrits.

God would be disgusted with us all. Exactly. Its like what Ghandi said about Christianity.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

[joea]

He can say whatever he wants, doesn't bother me as long as I am not forced to be Catholic. Nor would I force any *insert religion or non-belief here* to become Orthodox.

[Skybird]

He's doing his job, and as a side-effect also meets public demands:

There IS a demand for more leadership and clear definition of religious basis instead of far-leading arbitrariness and indiscriminate tolerance (people want leadership), there IS a certain ammount of demand for holding traditional masses in Latin again (the rite is what gives people a home), and there IS a very urgent need for the Christian West to speak with less diverse voices, that partially are even lacking any clear orientation at all (as should be clear with regard to Islam's challenge of Europe). One must not be Catholic to see all this.

There must be reasons why Protestantism in the past years and decades has lost attraction much faster and to a wider degree, than Catholicism. And there must be a reason why people in germany's protestantic north are less at home in their religion and seem to live in a subjectively-felt more broken spiritual health, than people in the catholic south - a regional difference that travellers, and literats and artists time and again have described in their works, since generations. One can think of church and freedom, rulership, catholicism and the pope whatever one wants: but more people in the south seem to get more satisfaction from their way of catholic religion, than people in the middle and the north. Their world seem to be more "unhurt". Especially the rite and celebration in Catholicism is what makes it attractive for many. And the lack of this (the lack of clear structure, so to speak) is what has turned many people away from protestantism.

Let noone assume I say this because I'm a Catholic - I'm not, and will never be.

[micky1up]

what do ypu expect from a ex member of the hitler youth and a man who previous department in the vatican was the same that started the inqusitions

[Skybird]

Yes, all Germans are Nazis, and eating Jewish babies for breakfast is our most preferred way to start the day.

Watching this old German war movie, "Die Brücke", maybe would cure you a bit from your disease, Mickey.

From wikipedia:

Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth) — membership being legally required after December 1939 — but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings

Ratzinger wurde 1941 mit 14 Jahren – wie alle Seminaristen seit 1939 – zwangsweise in die Hitler-Jugend (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler-Jugend) aufgenommen. Nahezu alle Jugendlichen wurden zu diesem Zeitpunkt gemäß der Dienstpflicht des Gesetzes über die Hitler-Jugend (1936) in die Jugendorganisation integriert. Ein Zeitzeuge berichtete der FAZ (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Allgemeine_Zeitung), dass die Seminaristen für überzeugte Nazis ein rotes Tuch waren und verdächtigt wurden, Widerstand gegen das Regime zu leisten.

[Takeda Shingen]

Any bets on when he'll bring back indulgences???:hmm:

Where is martin Luther when you need him most!

The indulgences never left. They are still a part, albeit a small part, of the Roman Catholic Large Catechism.

Regarding committies, it is correct: Up until the late 19th century, the Congregation for the Doctorine of the Faith was called The Holy Office of the Inquisition. Ratzinger is, in effect, the former Grand Inquisitor of the Church.

Regarding the death of Protestantism, the effect is the opposite in the United States. In the past decades, Protestant denominations, particularly the Southern Baptist, Mormon and non-denominational congregations, have experienced a ground swell of new membership, while Catholic, Orthodox and more traditional Prostestant branches have seen a decline. This has been the cumulative effect of the type of proclaimations seen from the Doctorine of the Faith earlier this week, as well as scandals of various nature.

For the record, the Pope did not issue the statement in question. That was done by The Doctorine of the Faith, which is able to act on its own accord, much like the State Department or Homeland Security in American government. However, the Pope has to pass off on any statement made, so it did recieve his nod. It seems to have blown away the past decade of ecumenical dialogue that had passed between Catholics and non-Catholics. What a silly thing to do, and quite off the wall, as it were.

[Skybird]

It seems to have blown away the past decade of ecumenical dialogue that had passed between Catholics and non-Catholics.

Not really. His predecessor John Paul II. also have made statement like this, and confronted the German protestant church some years ago in preparation of a super-confessional conference. Like now, it caused quite an uproar when John Paul claimed the leading and dominant role of the the chatholic church and said something like catholicism being the true home of all other confessions as well. The Protestant representatives back then nevertheless travelled to Rome - explicitly saying that they do that not in acceptance of the vatican's demand for being the only and final authority in Christian religions, but in spite of this - as they necessarily must have seen it - affront. In fact, the demand of the Vatican to be the only true church there is, never was gone away, only became a little bit more silent for reasons of sheer pragmatism.

And my occasional sympathy for this or that detail of the churches is for pragmatic reasons only as well, and acceptance of what many people seek in when "doing" a religion. And that is not so much about experiencing the Divine themselves, but getting confirmed in what they believe is the divine essence of their life. In other words: not God is wanted, but confirmation of what one believes God is. Saying that with quite some years of daily experience in teaching meditation.

Who was it who said something like "The church is all that Jesus has taught - not."

[joea]

Trying to create some watered done super-confession that everyone can agree on is wrong and not what most people want. :yep:

Just agree not to step on each other's toes (why I support secularism in public life) but don't empty your faith out to compromise. Like SB says, the divine is not contained by 4 church walls.

[Prof]

What's the big deal? The Catholic Church has some pretty fundamental differences with other Christian groups, so it's not surprising that the Pope doesn't view them as real churches.

In fact, pointing out these differences is probably more useful than saying "You believe what you want, I'll believe something contradictory, but we're both right." which is, frankly, ludicrous.

[micky1up]

Yes, all Germans are Nazis, and eating Jewish babies for breakfast is our most preferred way to start the day.

Watching this old German war movie, "Die Brücke", maybe would cure you a bit from your disease, Mickey.

From wikipedia:

Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth) — membership being legally required after December 1939 — but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings

Ratzinger wurde 1941 mit 14 Jahren – wie alle Seminaristen seit 1939 – zwangsweise in die Hitler-Jugend (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler-Jugend) aufgenommen. Nahezu alle Jugendlichen wurden zu diesem Zeitpunkt gemäß der Dienstpflicht des Gesetzes über die Hitler-Jugend (1936) in die Jugendorganisation integriert. Ein Zeitzeuge berichtete der FAZ (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Allgemeine_Zeitung), dass die Seminaristen für überzeugte Nazis ein rotes Tuch waren und verdächtigt wurden, Widerstand gegen das Regime zu leisten.




well explian this massive insult to every other church on the planet disgusting is what i think it is



and the excuse" i was only doing as told" was used numerous time to condone the actions of evil



i think he should get his own house in order before slagging others child abuse and handing out money to buy back condoms in africa who are trying to control the population lvls to stave of famine and HIV whilst his organisation sits on countless billions the poor of the world stave

[Chock]

Well, that's an iteresting point, if you take it to be true (personally I don't).

If there can be only one true religion, then by definition, the vast majority of religions must therefore not be the true one. So however devout their followers are, it is all going to be for nothing. Which is frankly an hilarious notion and also made stronger by the very beliefs which people cling to.

That's why one of my favourite scenes in a movie ever, is the one in Monty Python's The Life of Brian, where John Cleese proclaims: 'He's the true Messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few!' - Never a truer word spoken in jest.

In my opinion, all followers of any religion should be forced to watch him say that line repeatedly, until they get it:rotfl:

However it still presents the world with a problem.

Perhaps the best microcosm of this situation is the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose belief states that 144,000 people are going to go to heaven, which is a bit of a bummer for the rest, considering it was estimated in 2006 that there are 16 million JW's worldwide. Admittedly the JW beliefs change from time to time, owing to that other farce of religion - interpretation of what the scriptures actually mean - but the 144k figure remains static. However, it's interesting to note that in order to get around this slight fly in the ointment, the Governing body of the JW (its 'Vatican' if you will) has chosen to claim that if you aint one of the 144k, you will apparently instead be living in a renewed Earthly paradise.

Phew! that was a close one eh? Seriously though, what it indicates is that interpretation of whatever religion you choose, is best when it is done pragmatically, and I suspect that Staffelfuhrer Benedict could learn a thing or two from that way forward when it comes to going for world peace, instead of rubber stamping partisan isolationist statements such as the one which kicked off this thread.

Even as a someone who is not a supporter of religion, it would be foolish not to acknowledge that many people are. And so, since we are forced to live in a world where this claptrap permeates, it would be wiser for the various religious leaders to take a pragmatic bi-partisan approach, since as preposterous as religion is in concept, being 'the opium of the people' (as Uncle Karl once said), it is useful to control people's behaviour, and clearly does so for both good and bad.

Anyway, here's another thing religion is good for too - jokes:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/amc0223l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/J/Jehovah_s_witnesses.asp&h=400&w=379&sz=39&tbnid=OoGX2U5OBXTlYM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djehovah%2527s%2Bwitnesses%26um%3D1&start=3&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=3

:D Chock

[Skybird]

and the excuse" i was only doing as told" was used numerous time to condone the actions of evil

That boy was 14 (FOURTEEN! That is a 1 (one) followed by a 4 (four) years old when the laws left him no other choice than to join the HJ. I'm sure superheroic kid named Mickey would have taken the opportunity to overthrow the whole regime at that age of 14. Or what?

What's more, read that quote that he was not enthusiastic about it, boycotted courses, and that the seminarians (?) were highly suspicious to the Nazi for not being in line and even working against the Nazis.

If you criticise somebody, okay, there certainly is a lot in Catholicism, and the church, one can disagree with - but do not tell lies about somebody in an effort to let him look bad and denounce him just simply because you wish him to look bad. Stick with the truth, that is good enough to convince people - if your argument is strong enough. If you need to denounce and to discredit and to mud-throw and to tell lies, than you have nothing worthy to say. Ratzinger is an intellectual. Plenty of opportunities for you to tell people for what arguments of your own you do not agree with him on a given issue.

I just read his latest book. I do not agree with much he says, and already on his basis (taking the four gospels literally that is) we are lightyears apart. But accepting that this is the basis on which he begins, I had to admit that from that fundament on he thinks very logical and reasonable. This is what make him predictable and transparent for me, and makes it possible to understand his behavior on the basis of his motives. I do not expect him to lead beyond the ground on which he stands, but see him acting and arguing consequently and in conformity with what he states his fudnament is. In so far he is trustworthy, and reasonable, and that is what I respect. Sure, if I would demand him to ignore his office, act in the interest of other faiths, organizations, and violating the rules of his own organization, I necessarily must become upset about him not meeting my expectations. but he is no arbitrary figure, he is a pope, which is a clearly defined job with clearly defined obligations, policies and demands. So if I am upset about him not leaving all that behind him, my anger is not because he is a problem, but because I have a problem. It is my fault, then.

So, stop telling stupid lies about the man. Feel free to give arguments why you challenge the church's views and policies. The man is not the issue - the office, and what it means, is.

Would you like it if I take the freedom - according to your behavior's logic - to label you as a My Lai-sympathizer - just because you have done nothing to stop it? And I think you maybe have been even older when that massacre happened, than Ratzinger was when he was ordered to join the HJ?! My God, Mickey, how could you let that happen. Have you only been told to do so, and followed somebody's orders not to intervene?

[micky1up]

and the excuse" i was only doing as told" was used numerous time to condone the actions of evil

That boy was 14 (FOURTEEN! That is a 1 (one) followed by a 4 (four) years old when the laws left him no other choice than to join the HJ. I'm sure superheroic kid named Mickey would have taken the opportunity to overthrow the whole regime at that age of 14. Or what?

What's more, read that quote that he was not enthusiastic about it, boycotted courses, and that the seminarians (?) were highly suspicious to the Nazi for not being in line and even working against the Nazis.

If you criticise somebody, okay, there certainly is a lot in Catholicism, and the church, one can disagree with - but do not tell lies about somebody in an effort to let him look bad and denounce him just simply because you wish him to look bad. Stick with the truth, that is good enough to convince people - if your argument is strong enough. If you need to denounce and to discredit and to mud-throw and to tell lies, than you have nothing worthy to say. Ratzinger is an intellectual. Plenty of opportunities for you to tell people for what arguments of your own you do not agree with him on a given issue.

I just read his latest book. I do not agree with much he says, and already on his basis (taking the four gospels literally that is) we are lightyears apart. But accepting that this is the basis on which he begins, I had to admit that from that fundament on he thinks very logical and reasonable. This is what make him predictable and transparent for me, and makes it possible to understand his behavior on the basis of his motives. I do not expect him to lead beyond the ground on which he stands, but see him acting and arguing consequently and in conformity with what he states his fudnament is. In so far he is trustworthy, and reasonable, and that is what I respect. Sure, if I would demand him to ignore his office, act in the interest of other faiths, organizations, and violating the rules of his own organization, I necessarily must become upset about him not meeting my expectations. but he is no arbitrary figure, he is a pope, which is a clearly defined job with clearly defined obligations, policies and demands. So if I am upset about him not leaving all that behind him, my anger is not because he is a problem, but because I have a problem. It is my fault, then.

So, stop telling stupid lies about the man. Feel free to give arguments why you challenge the church's views and policies. The man is not the issue - the office, and what it means, is.

Would you like it if I take the freedom - according to your behavior's logic - to label you as a My Lai-sympathizer - just because you have done nothing to stop it? And I think you maybe have been even older when that massacre happened, than Ratzinger was when he was ordered to join the HJ?! My God, Mickey, how could you let that happen. Have you only been told to do so, and followed somebody's orders not to intervene?



p.s SKYBIRD was he or was he not a member of the hitler youth ?


i never said he gassed 6 million jews did i ?



all i said was that the excuse of we had no choice and i was doing as told has been used many a time to detract away from guilt and responsibility if more people had stood up to her hitler maybe he wouldnt have got to power in the first place



and yes if the average foot soldier had stood up to those in charge maybe that mai li massacre wouldnt have happend


all evil needs to spread is for decent people to do nothing but then again the pope at that time failed to denounce the nazi's that says it all


do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change? the recent spanish elections after the madrid bombings the populas changed the goverment you just cant bury your head in the sand all the time the masses or mob (roman term) can be very powerfull but individuals must be brave to make that happen and it can happen and it has happend in the past


what a very bleak world your picture paints SKYBIRD one man can make a differnce

[Skybird]

do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change?
What I reject here is the attempt to discredit the current office holder in the Vatican by giving the impression that he has been a Nazi: when you said "What do you expect from an ex member of the Hitler youth". That's the message from what you said, and if you meant something different, choose your words more carefully next time.

[waste gate]

At age 14 no human being is in a position to support or not support any political unit, regardless of its basis, good or evil.

At age 14, most humans are interested in being liked by their peers, and wondering why their bodies are changing. Politics are no more on their minds than the man in the moon.

Joining the Hitler Youth has no more political signifigance then as joining the Boy Scouts has now. To a 14 year old it was nothing more than bonding and fun with ones peers.

[micky1up]

do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change?
What I reject here is the attempt to discredit the current office holder in the Vatican by giving the impression that he has been a Nazi: when you said "What do you expect from an ex member of the Hitler youth". That's the message from what you said, and if you meant something different, choose your words more carefully next time.

but you dont condem him for saying every other church isnt a real church ( i seem to remember the nationalist party banned all other organisations do you?) i make similarities not accusations


i will discredit him im my eyes he runs a currupt organisation that could do alot more to help the world but doesnt that has major in house problems but preaches to the rest of the world from a false position

[waste gate]

do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change?
What I reject here is the attempt to discredit the current office holder in the Vatican by giving the impression that he has been a Nazi: when you said "What do you expect from an ex member of the Hitler youth". That's the message from what you said, and if you meant something different, choose your words more carefully next time.

but you dont condem him for saying every other church isnt a real church ( i seem to remember the nationalist party banned all other organisations do you?) i make similarities not accusations


i will discredit him im my eyes he runs a currupt organisation that could do alot more to help the world but doesnt that has major in house problems but preaches to the rest of the world from a false position

Now I understand. Your problem is with the Catholic Church. If Ratzinger wasn't the Pope it would be someone else and you'd have a problem with that person because the man in charge is easier to malign. BTW the Pope has no responsibility to folks like yourself. His only responsibility is to Catholics.

[Heibges]

Look at Gunter Grass. He was not only in the Hitler Youth, but also a tanker in the Waffen SS. Yet he is a Hippy Icon in America, and I am told important to the Left in Germany.

[Skybird]

do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change?
What I reject here is the attempt to discredit the current office holder in the Vatican by giving the impression that he has been a Nazi: when you said "What do you expect from an ex member of the Hitler youth". That's the message from what you said, and if you meant something different, choose your words more carefully next time.

but you dont condem him for saying every other church isnt a real church ( i seem to remember the nationalist party banned all other organisations do you?) i make similarities not accusations


i will discredit him im my eyes he runs a currupt organisation that could do alot more to help the world but doesnt that has major in house problems but preaches to the rest of the world from a false position
Feel free to do so, I even encouraged you to voice your arguments on why you may want disagree with the Catholic church. But that is not my debate here, but yours. I only was about your somewhat thoughtless linking to Ratzinger's "Nazi past". Beside that I was ready to leave it to those initial one or two general comments of mine, that had nothing to do with you. I do not enter a deeper theological or historical debate here - soviel Freundschaft für den Vatikan fühle ich dann doch nicht. As I said earlier, I see and judge the latest policy-chnages and declarations of the Vatican in the light of pragmatism concerning certain present challenges, threats and communal demands - and here is were my interest in catholicism very much ends. And concerning these factors, I pragmatically prefer a far more strong Vatican as a major part of the Western cultural defense network, as long as it is headed by a sharp mind and transparent decision-maker like the current pope. He tries to bring some unreasonable disbalances back into balance, as I see it. In that he has my support - not for theological, but pragmatic reasons. Hell, for me religions needs to be atheistic, while he takes the gospels literally - how much similiarities could he and me probably have on exclusively theological issues, eh...? :lol:

Nothing more to say, so I'm out here.

[micky1up]

do you reject the idea that people power can affect political change?
What I reject here is the attempt to discredit the current office holder in the Vatican by giving the impression that he has been a Nazi: when you said "What do you expect from an ex member of the Hitler youth". That's the message from what you said, and if you meant something different, choose your words more carefully next time.

but you dont condem him for saying every other church isnt a real church ( i seem to remember the nationalist party banned all other organisations do you?) i make similarities not accusations


i will discredit him im my eyes he runs a currupt organisation that could do alot more to help the world but doesnt that has major in house problems but preaches to the rest of the world from a false position
Feel free to do so, I even encouraged you to voice your arguments on why you may want disagree with the Catholic church. But that is not my debate here, but yours. I only was about your somewhat thoughtless linking to Ratzinger's "Nazi past". Beside that I was ready to leave it to those initial one or two general comments of mine, that had nothing to do with you. I do not enter a deeper theological or historical debate here - soviel Freundschaft für den Vatikan fühle ich dann doch nicht. As I said earlier, I see and judge the latest policy-chnages and declarations of the Vatican in the light of pragmatism concerning certain present challenges, threats and communal demands - and here is were my interest in catholicism very much ends. And concerning these factors, I pragmatically prefer a far more strong Vatican as a major part of the Western cultural defense network, as long as it is headed by a sharp mind and transparent decision-maker like the current pope. He tries to bring some unreasonable disbalances back into balance, as I see it. In that he has my support - not for theological, but pragmatic reasons. Hell, for me religions needs to be atheistic, while he takes the gospels literally - how much similiarities could he and me probably have on exclusively theological issues, eh...? :lol:

Nothing more to say, so I'm out here.

so alienating every other church in the land is going to bring a stronger catholic church which is already in decline? absolutly not this is a error of monumental preportions

[micky1up]

660million is a hell of a lot for a church without discrepecies lol i bet the pope wished he didnt open his mouth

[Iron Budokan]

I remember when John Paul II died. I was attending a science ficiton convention in Memphis that weeked as a guest author. If I hadn't been somewhat busy with panels and meeting other writers and fans I would have sobbed the entire weekend. As it was I just cried several times over that Saturday and Sunday.

John Paul II was a good Pope. He reached out to the Jewish people and the Muslims. This guy we have now is a lunatic. Even his brother said he didn't deserve to be Pope. That should tell you something right there.....

[geetrue]

I prayed for years for the Catholic church and the abuses I have seen, from praying to saints instead of to God, worship of statues, etc.

In hindsight I was telling God what to do, because one day, about three years ago, I was praying and in the middle of the prayer I just stopped and asked God, "What prayer will you hear for the Catholic church"?

I never got an answer to prayer that fast in all of my life ... the Lord said, "Pray for the Catholic church to stop thinking that they are the only church going to heaven".

That's when I realized that I had been telling God what to do with His church. I have been praying the prayer He gave me ever since. This public admission of the Catholic church by the head of the Catholic church will now have millions of people praying the same prayer that Jesus gave me to pray.

I have met many people in the Catholic faith who don't think they are the only people going to heaven.

Saved/born again and on your way to heaven is because you believe Jesus paid for all of your sins on the cross at Calvary ... It's as simple as that.

[Lord_Kitchener]

Saved/born again and on your way to heaven is because you believe Jesus paid for all of your sins on the cross at Calvary ... It's as simple as that. Flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee but my Father who is in heaven. Righto old boy! You score 100! Tchocky and Pfunk add me to the list of crazies:D

[Tchocky]

Duly added :D

[The Avon Lady]

Duly added :D
Had you been Skybird, you would have had us linked to the PDF version by now.

[August]

so alienating every other church in the land is going to bring a stronger catholic church which is already in decline? absolutly not this is a error of monumental preportions

How? Will the other religions stop referring new people to the Catholic Church? Will the Protestants declare Jihad against the Vatican? How exactly will alienating other churches hurt the Catholics?

[Heibges]

Invasion of the Vatican, and plans to set up a Democratic Papal Council, are being created at the Pentagon as we speak.

The Pope will no longer serve for life, but a 2 year term.

KDR has been awarded the contract to administer the Vatican Bank.

[geetrue]

so alienating every other church in the land is going to bring a stronger catholic church which is already in decline? absolutly not this is a error of monumental preportions

How? Will the other religions stop referring new people to the Catholic Church? Will the Protestants declare Jihad against the Vatican? How exactly will alienating other churches hurt the Catholics?

The protestant church will pray God's will be done ...


Philippians 4:5-6
Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication,
with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;


Jesus said if someone slaps you on one cheek to turn the other cheek to him also ...

Jesus said to forgive even as you have been forgiven ...

The church itself is the body of Christ and we are to conform to His image of being meek ... like little lambs.

The doctrine of God can be summed up in this simple sentence: "Love one another, forgive one another, hold no grudges against one another?

[Prof]

Saved/born again and on your way to heaven is because you believe Jesus paid for all of your sins on the cross at Calvary ... It's as simple as that.I agree with you (do I get added to the list of crazies?).

Could you now point out how Catholicism is also in agreement with this statement?