View Full Version : If I upgrad to Vista...
...will I hate myself? :damn:
It's that dang 64 bit processor that keeps talkin to me...
waste gate
07-05-07, 09:17 PM
I don't know if you will hate yourself or not, but I'll tell you that three weeks ago my sister purchase a notebook computer. She opted for XP as the OS. All the S-ware she owns works and no questions.
Tchocky
07-05-07, 09:28 PM
I'm going to wait for a Service Pack or two until I upgrade.
I plan to keep this computer for as long as possible, so eventually I'll ahve to get rid of XP. Also, I like some of Vista's features like ReadyBoost.
SUBMAN seems to be the person to ask here.
I don't know if you will hate yourself or not, but I'll tell you that three weeks ago my sister purchase a notebook computer. She opted for XP as the OS. All the S-ware she owns works and no questions.
Yeah uhh.. thanks...
My brother installed Vista on his laptop about a month ago too... and he really likes the animated desktops. Figured you'd like to know.
Aside from you sister's software miraculously continuing to work on the OS it was designed for... are you implying that her suite of software would not function properly under Vista?
I'm thinking perhaps I might get some performance gains outta my 64 bit processor. However, I fear that I might be upset that some of my favorite games will no longer work.
:hmm:
Yes, to be honest you probably will, but having said that, there are advantages to using Vista.
If you can get it free via a pre-install on a new laptop or desktop purchase (as I did), then you are laughing. I had to do this, because for one I needed a laptop, and secondly, since I teach people software applications, it would be kind of stupid if I had no experience with Vista. Also this is the only really sensible option if you are in Europe, as Vista is massively overpriced in comparison to its retail cost in the US.
Advantages are that you will be up to speed on the 'latest thang', and of course many new applications load and run very much better and quicker on Vista (FSX is a good example of this, where it is notably faster than on XP). It's pretty too, if that sort of thing floats your boat, personally I run XP and Vista in Classic mode so I couldn't give a toss about pretty window menus. Powerboost is one of Vista's best features however, and very cool if you are running short of RAM, so that might be a decider for you if you run HUGE files in stuff like Photoshop or 3DSMax.
Disadvantages, probably quite a bit of the software you already own won't like it. Vista also has totally paranoid default security settings too, which are frankly bloody annoying. Also note that Microsoft are already working on Vista's replacement and well along the way with it, so it's looking like like it won't have the longevity of XP, which given the mixed response that Vista has received, is probably going to be around for quite some time.
Virtually all MS operating systems are crap when released as you probably know, so things might change, but I wouldn't expect to see Vista as MS's flagship OS in five years time, that's my guess.
If you buy Vista to run on your current computer, you may possibly see a performance drop however, since the fact that they wanted to make Windows pretty like OSX, it's now more of a resource hog, so you can be just like a Mac owner now, with an overpriced and underpowered machine :rotfl:
Anyway, just a few heads up about what I've found, others might disagree with my assessment, so, in the end, I guess it's up to you.
:D Chock
waste gate
07-05-07, 09:55 PM
I don't know if you will hate yourself or not, but I'll tell you that three weeks ago my sister purchase a notebook computer. She opted for XP as the OS. All the S-ware she owns works and no questions.
Yeah uhh.. thanks...
My brother installed Vista on his laptop about a month ago too... and he really likes the animated desktops. Figured you'd like to know.
Aside from you sister's software miraculously continuing to work on the OS it was designed for... are you implying that her suite of software would not function properly under Vista?
I'm thinking perhaps I might get some performance gains outta my 64 bit processor. However, I fear that I might be upset that some of my favorite games will no longer work.
:hmm:
The S-ware may very well have worked w/ Vista. But sinse she was using it for business, and doesn't have a dedicated IT team, why take the chance?
I was doing no more than conveying an experience.
JSLTIGER
07-05-07, 10:10 PM
I'm using Vista (albeit x86, not x64 (which I'm kicking myself for, by the way)) just fine here. I happen to like it and haven't really come across any problems with it thus far. My grandfather had a minor issue with an HP printer driver for an older printer (which I was able to jury-rig), but other than that, both he and I have not run into any real problems. Be warned though...it IS different from XP and takes some time to get used to.
blue3golf
07-06-07, 07:17 AM
I bought a new computer with Vista on it, took forever to get used to the new quirks, I got some old games that don''t work on it but then again they were questionable on XP.
@JSLTiger
Since I got this I can't get the printer to work and its an old HP Deskjet. What did you guys do to fix it?
So does SH3 run OK on Vista?
Probably the only game I would really miss...
Takeda Shingen
07-06-07, 07:44 AM
So does SH3 run OK on Vista?
Probably the only game I would really miss...
Yes, it runs beautifully for me, but you have to download a driver for Starforce so that it will recognize the new OS.
You can get it here: http://www.star-force.com/protection.phtml?c=83&id=963 It includes x64 compatibility.
Ughh... that's right... I've got starforce...
Why'd you have to go and remind me? ;)
SUBMAN1
07-06-07, 11:11 AM
Only half your old software will work, and you will take a performance hit, and do not get the 64 bit version - it is driver restricted. I've loaded machines up with the 64 bit version and it is more headache than it is worth! I bet you have a printer at home, and you can't even get a driver for it on the 64 bit version. Stick with 32 bit Vista if you do make the change.
I estimate it will cost about $1000 per machine out here at work to upgrade software that no longer works on the new OS.
I have two machines running Vista personally (I have 10 copies, and out of 10, I only care to use 2), including my personal laptop (Acer 4400) but on my main system I still run MCE 2005.
Think of it like this - Vista to me is similar to Windows ME of the 98 series. You really wanted Windows 98 SE if you could get it, but were stuck buying Windows ME.
As long as they don't force me to use DirectX 10 for something, I'll stick with XP Pro / MCE 2005.
Just my take on it.
-S
JSLTIGER
07-06-07, 01:48 PM
@Blue3Golf:
My grandfather's specific printer was an HP Photosmart P1000. After some checking around on the web, I found out that if its installed manually as a 930C/932C/935C series printer, the P1000 will work. However, this does come at a price, and that is the fact that the built in media-card reader on the printer will no longer work (which, given the fact that one is built into his machine, is irrelevant for him).
Thus far... the poll is in agreement 3:1 with Subman's assessment.
Yeah I got an HP printer, but it's a fairly new "all-in-one". Nice printer n all but the freakin software/driver is on par with malware; runnin all sorts of crap in the background when I don't want it to. Caused me enough headache that I completely uninstalled it.
Now if I wanna print something I save it to my camera flash card and plug it straight into the printer... kinda sad. :nope:
Takeda Shingen
07-06-07, 02:00 PM
Hold on, I was not advocating Vista. I just said that I could get SHIII to run on my machine.
JSLTIGER
07-06-07, 02:00 PM
The only HP printers that support was discontinued for are seven years old or older, so yours is probably fine, aaronblood.
Incidently, where in Palm Beach are you? I'm in Boynton currently.
@Tak:
He was referring to the poll which stands at 9 to 3, or a 3:1 ratio.
EDIT: STOOD*
I'm up by the Gardens Mall
Konovalov
07-06-07, 02:28 PM
I voted yes pretty much for the reasons put forth by Subman. :yep:
kiwi_2005
07-06-07, 06:20 PM
So does SH3 run OK on Vista?
Probably the only game I would really miss...
Silent Hunter 3 runs fine on Vista, I wouldn't run Vista under 2gigs of Ram, you can but my opinion i wouldn't recommend it. Your find some programs run better on Vista even old software than they did on XP.
blue3golf
07-06-07, 10:02 PM
@JSLTIGER
Thanks, I'll have to check it out, I thought all hope was lost
JSLTIGER
07-07-07, 11:48 AM
@Blue3Golf:
No problem. What model is your printer?
Stealth Hunter
07-08-07, 12:48 AM
...will I hate myself? :damn:
It's that dang 64 bit processor that keeps talkin to me...
YES! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T UPGRADE TO IT.
You shall not be warned... again...:lost:
You could go for XP Pro 64bit. I did that when I got a new processor. Not a huge difference for the things I do, but now the cpu stopped whispering to me "please get a 64bit os". ;)
Cheers Porphy
JSLTIGER
07-08-07, 11:37 AM
...will I hate myself? :damn:
It's that dang 64 bit processor that keeps talkin to me...
YES! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T UPGRADE TO IT.
You shall not be warned... again...:lost:
Do you have it? Have you tried it? Or are you just saying that?
dean_acheson
07-08-07, 02:41 PM
I like Vista, once I kinda understood it's little quirks
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kakemann
07-08-07, 03:04 PM
No big problems with vista, except SH4 ----> CTD. So I'm running with a seperate WIN-XP installation. The game works perfect in XP :rock:
One of my mates just switched BACK to XP.
Personally, I have enough problems with XP64. I don't need Vista 64bit to make it worse.
*mumbles about drivers for my pedals.
Antidike
07-10-07, 05:16 AM
...will I hate myself? :damn:
It's that dang 64 bit processor that keeps talkin to me...
Bad news will come of choosing vista, my family's computer has vista and is kinda of slow and just yesterday dad was playing SH III and the computer suddenly restarted, it's never done it before I blame that damn vista! People are now also asking the computer shops to put on XP instead of vista.
Vista is made for Satan himself! Which means Satan is very bad at choosing between wanting a slow computer with a cool looking start bar, or, a fast/er computer with a not so cool start bar.:hmm:
Point made!:yep:
SUBMAN1
07-10-07, 11:15 AM
When actual MS employees that work on the OS don't like it, you know it's probably not the best OS they have ever released. I have friends that work on that project, and even though they don't hate it, they make comments like "well its Vista" in sarcastic ways. That tells me more than anything about how good an OS it is.
XP and 2000 were way better upgrades.
-S
One of my mates just switched BACK to XP.
Personally, I have enough problems with XP64. I don't need Vista 64bit to make it worse.
*mumbles about drivers for my pedals.
I do have the Saitek X52 FCS which I really like...
Do they have compat drivers for XP64? ...or should I just not even bother.
SUBMAN1
07-10-07, 04:36 PM
I do have the Saitek X52 FCS which I really like...
Do they have compat drivers for XP64? ...or should I just not even bother.
Are you being serious? Expect a big fat NO on that. HOwever, you might get lucky, but your chances are 100 to 1 that you will be SOL.
Penelope_Grey
08-20-07, 07:00 PM
Well I recently bought myself a new laptop, or rather it was bought for me, and I had a choice of XP pro, the latest version of XP like... or Vista, in either premium or Ultimate versions....
I chose XP.
Stealth Hunter
08-20-07, 09:42 PM
...will I hate myself? :damn:
It's that dang 64 bit processor that keeps talkin to me...
YES! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T UPGRADE TO IT.
You shall not be warned... again...:lost:
Do you have it? Have you tried it? Or are you just saying that?
Got a free version for purchasing a Gateway. Installed it, and hated it. Rejected almost everything I'd played on XP, about 60% of which had no tweaking solution. I threw it out (hey, it was free) and went back to my beloved XP.
One of my mates just switched BACK to XP.
Personally, I have enough problems with XP64. I don't need Vista 64bit to make it worse.
*mumbles about drivers for my pedals.
I do have the Saitek X52 FCS which I really like...
Do they have compat drivers for XP64? ...or should I just not even bother.
Of course. Five seconds of googling (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/down/64bit.htm)
SUBMAN1
08-20-07, 10:10 PM
One of my mates just switched BACK to XP.
Personally, I have enough problems with XP64. I don't need Vista 64bit to make it worse.
*mumbles about drivers for my pedals.
I do have the Saitek X52 FCS which I really like...
Do they have compat drivers for XP64? ...or should I just not even bother.
Of course. Five seconds of googling (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/down/64bit.htm)
That's cool. Bought time they did something. No one else releases drivers for anything else. I've hit my head against the wall 100+ times. I probably need to go to the mental hospital over XP64, mainly because my division GM - I put him on it and 'nothing' has drivers after I assured him that everything would work! Hahahahah! Just put my head in a bin of sand from that! I want to be an osterich!
Anyway, I gave him a new laptop loaded with XP Pro. All is well now. I no longer want to jump out a window! :D
Anyway, I took his old laptop for myself. Its got an x700 in it, and I put some decent RAM in, and now I have another Vista test bed (+ I added Dangerous Waters to it, and that workd OK so far of the 10 min I spent on a laptop with it). I've solved most of my headaces with VPN and the like in Vista. I can get most things to work right well, but it is such a bloat! Xp does things 5 to 10 times faster. I think Vista either runs up against bloat for the same task, or hits a DRM barrier. I still hate Vista.
I officially name Vista the ME II of Windows operating systems! Basically - wait till Windows 11 comes out. It should be what Vista was supposed to be.
-S
kiwi_2005
08-21-07, 08:11 AM
Well i reverted to a dual install, after only having Vista on, realising some games just wont play no matter what tweak/hack you try to do. So did a whole reformat and installed WinXP Pro on C: drive, with Vista on D:. I like vista, but i also need XP for the time being.
GlobalExplorer
08-21-07, 12:28 PM
I officially name Vista the ME II of Windows operating systems! Basically - wait till Windows 11 comes out. It should be what Vista was supposed to be.-S
Yep. Thats what I keep saying all the time.
Moreover you can always have multiple os installations on exchangeable racks.
does your old setup work?
yes: why change anything at all??? No sense in it!
no: what makes you think it will work after an update?
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