Repeated saves crashing

[Saintaw]

Greets,

Running home to my saved campaign (I found two juicy tankers and some heavy cargos)... to be dissapointed because all of the 8 saves I have dune during yesterday's evening will get me a CTD. The only one working is my 'Patrol start' right off the base of Pearl harbour.

This is the 2nd time it has happened to me (got the game a week ago) and I noticed others here suffering from reload crashes. (Rebooting didn't work, the only mod I am using right now is Beery's camera mod... since the crash happens only at a 'certain point' I don't think it's related to a mod.)

This is the error message I get:

AppName: sh4.exe AppVer: 1.2.0.0 ModName: messagenet.dll
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 00001e9c


Has anyone come up with a solution for this? If not, it looks like I will be relegated to 'quick missions'

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[ReallyDedPoet]

What are the conditions you are saving in? I have had no problems with that particular mod up to this point.

Saving near units and also saving while submerged can be problematic.

Also a thread related to your error message, have a look: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115643&highlight=saving+problems


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[TDK1044]

I've used the same 'save' procedures in both SH3 and SH4 hundreds of times with no issues. I always save on the surface and at the map station. I rotate the same two files about every five minutes. In other words, I'll save to TDK1, then to TDK2 and then back to TDK1 again. If I'm forced to save while submerged, I have a save called 'Submerged', and I know to save to either TDK1 or TDK 2 as soon as I'm on the surface.

I have yet to have any problems saving this way, and I'm now over 70 hours into SH4.

[Saintaw]

Thanks guys,

I read about the 'submerged' thing before and purposedly(sp?) did saves in different situations (the saves range from day one to day four). I also had no damage. I thought it might be disk space, but I have well over 12 gigs free on that drive.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Thanks guys,

I read about the 'submerged' thing before and purposedly(sp?) did saves in different situations (the saves range from day one to day four). I also had no damage. I thought it might be disk space, but I have well over 12 gigs free on that drive.

Did you check out the thread related to you error message, a few posts down there is reference to that error.


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[Saintaw]

I just did, thanks :)

Msn service is disabled, the only thing I see now that I might have other units around... am off to try to run the game 5 minutes, then load it.

Cheers,

[aurgolo]

according to my experience in SH3 and SH4 there are no big issues linked to game saves even if you are submerged or in action or close to action.

the only thing i noticed is that you must save progressively and never overwrite an existing save

according to this i save a patrol 20 or 25 times but never overwriting existing files (i start from 1 to 20 or 25)

in this way i never had a CTD reloading a game,

on the contrary each time i tryied to overwrite an existing file i always had a CTD later during reloading


i do not know if anyone had the same experience

ciaociao

[stabiz]

I've used the same 'save' procedures in both SH3 and SH4 hundreds of times with no issues. I always save on the surface and at the map station. I rotate the same two files about every five minutes. In other words, I'll save to TDK1, then to TDK2 and then back to TDK1 again. If I'm forced to save while submerged, I have a save called 'Submerged', and I know to save to either TDK1 or TDK 2 as soon as I'm on the surface.

I have yet to have any problems saving this way, and I'm now over 70 hours into SH4.

Same here, if you use the paranoia from SH3 you will be fine.:rotfl:I have yet to have a savegame crash since I started doing this.

[stabiz]

the only thing i noticed is that you must save progressively and never overwrite an existing save

according to this i save a patrol 20 or 25 times but never overwriting existing files (i start from 1 to 20 or 25)



I always overwrite, no probs.

[Bear]

Very strange problem - I save often and will overwrite a save until I have a new situation that requires a new name (ie convoy or task force). I start with a destination save and overwrite the file until a new action. I have saved even when I was in serious trouble - I hate to admit it but an island jumped out in front of me once and I had serious hull damage, but I was not sunk because I was stuck on the island bow down to the conning tower. I saved there, went back to an earlier save. Deleted the save where I struck the island and this time stayed awake to miss the island. I have never had any problems with the save feature. Knock on wood. Damn no wood on this boat.

[Saintaw]

No matter what I tried yesterday... it failed to load the above savegames. I finaly screamed 'F**K THIS' and went for a new campaign after installing RUB.

One good side of this illustrious defeat was that I had to tell my better half that i couldn't stop playing till i got safely 'home' and that no i couldn't come down to watch 'Dr house' with her.

Conclusion? No nookie but am still sitting very tired in the office today ;)

[ReallyDedPoet]

No matter what I tried yesterday... it failed to load the above savegames. I finaly screamed 'F**K THIS' and went for a new campaign after installing RUB.

One good side of this illustrious defeat was that I had to tell my better half that i couldn't stop playing till i got safely 'home' and that no i couldn't come down to watch 'Dr house' with her.

Conclusion? No nookie but am still sitting very tired in the office today ;)

Sucks to be you right now :yep: You'll get over it I am sure.

Let us know how the new campaign goes.


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[Juju]

No matter what others say here, not overwriting saves fixed this very same problem for me and several others. And it's easy to try.

[GT182]

Did you by any chance add that mod while at sea? That will most definately cause a CTD and you'd lose all saves. The only thing tho that throws off that assumption tho is you being able to run the " 'Patrol start' right off the base of Pearl harbour".

[Saintaw]

I tried the incremental save with the new RUB campaign: Still have a crash as soon as I have sunk something i think... the saves proior to any action are working, but as soon as I've 'seen some' ... it goes for the CTD.

I'll try a complete uninstall / reinstall this week end...

[THE_MASK]

according to my experience in SH3 and SH4 there are no big issues linked to game saves even if you are submerged or in action or close to action.

the only thing i noticed is that you must save progressively and never overwrite an existing save

according to this i save a patrol 20 or 25 times but never overwriting existing files (i start from 1 to 20 or 25)

in this way i never had a CTD reloading a game,

on the contrary each time i tryied to overwrite an existing file i always had a CTD later during reloading


i do not know if anyone had the same experience

ciaociao
My whole SH4 campaign so far is saved over and over the one save name . Not a problem . I save on the surface , with no contacts , in 1 TC . This is what the devs have told us .

[Saintaw]

I 'solved' this by completely uninstalling and reinstalling the game. I deleted the previous saves but it looks like untill now I can load all the new saves (even underwater/combat). Looks like some files are getting corrupted over time.

Talk about a solution...:shifty:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Whatever works, good luck with it. Nice Bonnet by the way :lol:


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[Saintaw]

LOL thanks! I just noticed that... I need to get involved into frantic posting in ordrer to get rid of the gay bonnet!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Is Navy Dude next:hmm::o


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[Saintaw]

:nope::damn:

2 days after a complete reinstall... it does the same thing again.
Am pondering what could have happened in these two days. The only thing I can think of is that I have drives defragmenting when the screensaver comes on... could the defrag corrupt the safe game files?
:hmm:

[Saintaw]

Dayum... Be gone foul hat!!!

[THE_MASK]

I turn the radar off before i save , no contacts , on the surface in 1TC , outside views . I just use a single name as a save name , Sober for example . I did a test and had a contact while on the surface and sure enough , CTD . Reloaded the same save and was able to continue then resaved when no contacts were around and continued my career . Before you uninstalled SH4 did you delete any mods by uninstalling from the JSGME then delete the SH4 folder that appears in your My Documents folder then uninstalled SH4 then reinstalled SH4 . Have you added mods while in patrol . What are the mods you have . What is your computer specs etc etc etc .

[Saintaw]

Cheers Sober,

I did a clean uninstall/reinstall (including the files in the 'My document' folders). I also upgraded to the latest omega drivers... and disabled my anti-virus.
Didn't install mods while at sea, and am currently running with: Trigger Maru, the CBS news thingabob and the 'Silent service' one recommended ont he Trigger maru post. All have been installed with JSGME.

From memory, my system specs are:
AMD 3200
ATI X800 pro (AGP)
2 Gb ram
SB audigy 4
Sata raid 4*240GB
...

I could post a Dxdiag when I get home if it helps.
I'm musing over the fact that I have .NET 2.0 running on my system (can't do without it... job related)... but I doubt it's that since the files only get corrupted over time.

(During the 1st days I was even able to load saves where I was underwater in the midst of a Kongo BB convoy...)

[THE_MASK]

I have audigy sound card and the updated audigy drivers give me no end of trouble . The ones microsucks try to give you on there update site crash my computer . The only ones that work for me are the original ones that come with the audigy card . I also go into the creative program folder and delete the stupid load up thing . I have a similar system so i cannot see how this would affect it . Try a diffrent mod maybe , RFB and diffrent mods to the one you are using . Dont save with contacts . See how that goes maybe .

[ReallyDedPoet]

Cheers Sober,

I did a clean uninstall/reinstall (including the files in the 'My document' folders). I also upgraded to the latest omega drivers... and disabled my anti-virus.
Didn't install mods while at sea, and am currently running with: Trigger Maru, the CBS news thingabob and the 'Silent service' one recommended ont he Trigger maru post. All have been installed with JSGME.

From memory, my system specs are:
AMD 3200
ATI X800 pro (AGP)
2 Gb ram
SB audigy 4
Sata raid 4*240GB
...

I could post a Dxdiag when I get home if it helps.
I'm musing over the fact that I have .NET 2.0 running on my system (can't do without it... job related)... but I doubt it's that since the files only get corrupted over time.

(During the 1st days I was even able to load saves where I was underwater in the midst of a Kongo BB convoy...)

Just saw this, hope you get it up and running, Sober has some good suggestions.


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[Saintaw]

I rolled back to some Oct 06 drivers for my Audigy4, it seems to work so far. I noticed one difference: the "Save replay" checkbox wasn't greyed out as it usualy was before... hmmm :hmm:

More testing tomorrow!

Edit: Begone now, foul hat!!!

[THE_MASK]

I notice that your post count is stuck on 164 , so i would say that you are stuck with the bonnet forever :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Edit: Begone now, foul hat!!!

Here is what you have to look forward to:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/old_man.jpg

Good luck with it :o


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[Saintaw]

:shifty: Will be stuck with social obligations this evening... of course, just when i thought I had this solved...

With all them weird avatars, I'm going to start thinking this website/forum owner is well...

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/11/04/Little_051031092813208_wideweb__300x375.jpg

PS: Anyone know why the "save replay" thingie would have been greyed out?

[THE_MASK]

I have never needed the replay thingy .

[ReallyDedPoet]

Same here as far as the replay thing, has never been greyed out.


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[Saintaw]

UPDATE:

Returning from my social obligation (albeit a bit drunk, I'll admit to that!)... I decided to go for a quick run before heading for the bunk... load up a save I had done right at the patrol start... fiddle a bit with the sub and decide to save and call it a day. "Save replay" option greyed out again, unlike the day before... I suspect this one will lead to a crash when loading.

the only good news so far is that I got rid of the bonnet...

[ReallyDedPoet]

UPDATE:

Returning from my social obligation (albeit a bit drunk, I'll admit to that!)... I decided to go for a quick run before heading for the bunk... load up a save I had done right at the patrol start... fiddle a bit with the sub and decide to save and call it a day. "Save replay" option greyed out again, unlike the day before... I suspect this one will lead to a crash when loading.

the only good news so far is that I got rid of the bonnet...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/old_man.jpg

You calling this good :roll:, seek help " Macho Man ".

That CTD thing you are experiencing, boggles the mind :doh:

There has to be a solution somewhere for this:hmm:


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[Saintaw]

*hums 'D...I...S....C...O...'*

Errrrm, nevermind :D

Yes, it's irritating me as well (the bug, not so much the hat issue)... I see no difference between the parameters of yesterday and two days ago. I am thinking that maybe "it doesn't" like me loading games while in patrol, looks like It works only when I load a game while in the "briefing room"...

Would be helpfull if we could get some info from the devs regarding the grayed out "save replay" thingabob...

[ReallyDedPoet]

This guy, wonder if you sent him a PM?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=589032&postcount=26


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[SteamWake]

could the defrag corrupt the safe game files?
:hmm:

Quite possible if it gets interrupted in the middle of it (power loss etc.).

The only time you should need to defrag a drive is just before the installation of a large program or after a few days/weeks of heavy use with a lot of data changes / addittions.

[Saintaw]

Thanks RDP, sent the man a pm :)

SteamWake,
I'm working with very large video files daily, hence my need for continuous defrags... bar from putting that particular folder as 'read only', I have no idea on how to get the defrag software to skip a particular folder.

I'll try mounting SH4 on a separate drive during the upcoming week end.

Cheers!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Thanks RDP, sent the man a pm :)

SteamWake,
I'm working with very large video files daily, hence my need for continuous defrags... bar from putting that particular folder as 'read only', I have no idea on how to get the defrag software to skip a particular folder.

I'll try mounting SH4 on a separate drive during the upcoming week end.

Cheers!

Good luck with it:up:


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