Can you prove it? Show me the proof!

[Wxman]

French TV reporter asked Arafat at a press conference:

"I would like you to explain to me why the Fatah trains children to use arms and go to the streets taking chances with their lives?"

Arafat: "Can you prove it? Show me the proof!"

How's this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCV33i9Caw) for starters? Nor is this concept an isolated phenomenon to Fatah as Australian born Adele Balasingham, widow of the late Tamil Tiger terrorists leader, Anton Balasingham, can tell you. She recently assumed the mantle of international spokesperson for the the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka, and is intimately involved in training cadres of "freedom birds" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh30mUhI92c) (aka "virgin killers"), as Balasingham is want to refer to them as.

How many Jews did Mamma kill? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7d1RIA_y6o) (Al Aqsa TV interviews the surviving kindergarten aged children of their homicide bomber mother).

Al-Aqsa TV broadcast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHUdwePfbM) eulegizing Rim Al-Riyashi "myarterdom" that killed 5 Israeli soldiers in the form of her 5 y/o daughter singing a song longing to be with her and walking in her footsteps.

3 y/o interviewed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTqheFnBM0) on Iqra TV (Saudi Arabia)[/URL] - May 7th, 2002 - concerning the Prophet Muhammad and the Jews.

An Australian journalist gives a tearful account (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2QhQQpHck) of "Palestinian" children suicide bombers.

"Palestinian" children's TV show: this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3dvYhFk_Y) mouse is a louse.

14 y/o homicide bomber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPU4UN03t7E)

Story of homicide bombers from 8 y/o to zero hour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmx0rdpX46A)

female suicide bomber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XEkJY62VA) that just couldn't get 'er done (though she gave it the good ol' college try that's for sure).

Tamil Tiger terrorist homicide bomber attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqNUCV3_OHE) results in 100 Sri Lanken casualties.

Suicide Killers : by Pierre Rehov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b32piz5fMk8) (French Jewish film maker, most known for his movies which are almost exclusively based on the Israeli-Arab conflict).

Former "Palestinian" terrorsts speaks: "Why we want to kill you":

Part I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3ZeuQnvgk)

Part II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3G2kBv8W2M)

Lebanese born Islamic terror-survivor, Brigitte Gabriel - former MidEast TV anchor - warns America:

Part I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJN6CAtw9s)

Part II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqHQW6mpId0)

Part III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-A7TIv2RMw)

Part IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=116XOArlNq4)

E. Baghdad VBIED video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gik2_vOT8) - as filmed by 47th & 319th EOD on 05 Sep 14 - of suicide bomber that just couldn't get 'er done (but man, oh man, that definitely left a mark and had to hurt). Too bad, scumbag, enjoy your virgins.

Inside the mind of a failed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pek5xISalL) homicide bomber (CNN report in Afghanistan).

"Palestinian" Red Cross ambulance used to transport suicide belt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq0gA7BQzzw) containing 20 sticks of dynamite.

[Tchocky]

...so, "yes" is the answer here?

[robbo180265]

LIBTL?:D

[The Avon Lady]

Wxman, you're working way too hard to come up with links. What you need is a one stop shop (http://www.memritv.org/subjects.asp). :yep:

[Jimbuna]

...so, "yes" is the answer here?

Most definitely :yep:

[ASWnut101]

Wxman, you're working way too hard to come up with links. What you need is a one stop shop (http://www.memritv.org/subjects.asp). :yep:

In some cases, the more the better.

[HunterICX]

Wxman, you're working way too hard to come up with links. What you need is a one stop shop (http://www.memritv.org/subjects.asp). :yep:

:hmm: they should change your member title from Uber Mom to
Uber Linking Mom AL:rotfl:

[robbo180265]

Wxman, you're working way too hard to come up with links. What you need is a one stop shop (http://www.memritv.org/subjects.asp). :yep:


I do love your posts sometimes A/L:up:

[U-533]

Ok ...

Dere ya go.

I believe de Wxman has given enough proof.

De only people still thinking de Muslims are really de peaceful people are still swimming in de river.

What river you ask... it's called DeNial.

:sunny:

[Heibges]

While I fully agree that their are some highly dangerous groups within the Muslim world, you can't say that all Muslims are violent.

[The Avon Lady]

While I fully agree that their are some highly dangerous groups within the Muslim world, you can't say that all Muslims are violent.
That would hold true if you switched the word "Muslims" with "Germans" and we were in the late 30's. So what have you proved?

Here's an article I found way back in web archives:

Pride and prejudice
By HILLEL HALKIN

Perhaps it's naive to think that the Arab society I'm embroiled with in a century-old conflict is going to function any better because I'm nice to it.

I was called a racist the other night. I've been thinking about it.

I was sitting at a table at a dinner in Jerusalem of the board of governors of the American Jewish Committee, which was to be followed by a panel discussion in which I had been asked to participate. On my left was a rabbi, originally English, who lives in Israel, and next to him, a board member of liberal views.

The rabbi, whom I knew, has been active for years in interfaith dialoguing with Christian and Muslim clergy. Engaged in conversation with the woman on my right, I wasn't listening to what he and the board member were talking about - not, that is, until, during a lull with the woman, my left ear heard him say that Islam and the Arab world were being blamed these days for so many of the world's problems.

"With justification," I said, turning in his direction. It's a bad habit of mine: I sometimes find it hard to keep my mouth shut.

It wasn't a lengthy comment, but it was enough. The rabbi said something about the foolishness of generalizing about subjects as diverse as Arabs and Islam. I said that, diverse or not, they were depressing subjects. He asked what I meant. I said it was obvious what I meant: Wherever one looked at Arab and Muslim countries, one saw backwardness, fanaticism, and the inability to modernize and democratize.

"You're generalizing," the rabbi repeated.

"Of course I am," I said. "It can't be an accident that nearly all the Arab world is a sink of human misery. Its whole culture is screwed up."

"You're a racist!" the board member exclaimed.

The rabbi nodded. At last he had heard a generalization he agreed with.

Am I?

It would be easy to be indignant. Who, me? Me, who lived for a year in a black neighborhood in the American South and marched in Selma and went to jail with Martin Luther King? Racist?

Too easy. In the first place, that was 40 years ago. And secondly, Arabs and Muslims aren't Afro-Americans. And I really have been having, lately, some not-very-nice thoughts about them. Not about Arabs and Muslims as individuals - I honestly don't think I have a problem there. I've never thought, and don't think today, that, on an individual basis, the Arabs I've known have been any less dependable, intelligent, or honest than Jews, or that Jews are less likely to be scoundrels or idiots.

When it comes to my feelings about someone, his being Arab has nothing to do with it. I've liked and trusted, and disliked and distrusted, Arabs and Jews pretty much equally. I've felt as comfortable in Arab homes as in Jewish ones, and I've been enraged when I've heard Jews say stupid things like "All Arabs are liars," or "Every Arab will stab you in the back." As if we lacked Jewish liars and back-stabbers!

But that's individually. Get a lot of Arabs together, in a crowd or in a country, and something happens to them, something not good. That's my perception, as it is that of many Israelis.

It's also that of many non-Israelis. There is by now a vast literature, much of it written in recent years, about whether Arab and Islamic culture (the two things, of course, are not identical but neither are they easily differentiable) are intrinsically responsible for the authoritarianism, poverty, anger, self-pity, paranoia, lack of freedom, intellectual stagnation, religious fanaticism, repression of women, conformism, mob psychology, and near total absence of self-criticism that characterize most Arab countries today or whether these things are the product of political and economic circumstances and can change as they do.

The issues are complex and weighted with implications - the possible outcome of the American intervention in Iraq being one of them - and it's silly to pretend that there are simple answers.

BUT WE in Israel have had our own special experience, and it has predisposed us to answers of our own. Many of us, despairing over the behavior of the Palestinians, as well as of their Arab supporters elsewhere, have given up all hope of our two societies being able to coexist - and when you give up hope, it's natural to justify it by deciding that the other side is congenitally incorrigible and constitutionally incapable of changing. That, really, is what support for the security fence is all about. Many Israelis who once thought it was possible to get along with Arabs as a polity, rather than merely as individuals, have lost faith in this. I'm afraid to say I'm on the verge of becoming one of them.

Does this make me prejudiced against Arabs? Perhaps it does. It's certainly a convenient way of telling myself that I don't have to change because, no matter what I do, I'll still never be accepted by them. Prejudice is the cheapest form of self-satisfaction. If someone else is worse, you're automatically better.

But on the other hand, it may not be a question of prejudice at all. It may be simple realism. Perhaps Arab and Muslim societies, whatever their past glories and achievements, are maladapted to the modern world. Perhaps it's laughably na ve to think that the Arab society I'm embroiled with in a century-old conflict is going to function any better because I'm nice to it.

My ecumenical rabbi and my liberal board member, after all, are also prejudiced - against thinking. It's not as if they're saying, "Well, we'd like to believe that you're wrong about Arabs and Muslims, but it's not our beliefs that matter; it's what history, sociology, and political science can tell us, so let's look at them carefully before drawing any conclusions." What they're saying when they cry "racism" is "Stop! You can't be right about Muslims and Arabs because .well, because you can't be. If you are, we'll have to re-examine our basic multicultural assumptions, and that's something we're not prepared to do." There is no small amount of self-satisfaction in such political correctness, too.

The rabbi was correct. Glib generalizations are dangerous. Iraq is not Palestine, and Tunisia is not Yemen, and Islamic Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey are not Arab. Each of these countries has its own features that may make it more or less successful in coping. Yet each also shares common traditions and a common faith - and not to generalize at all about these is equally absurd. It precludes the very possibility of rational thought, and rational is what we need to be right now.

We shouldn't be afraid to consider the possibility that if Jews adopt friendlier policies toward Arabs and Muslims, then Arabs and Muslims will adopt friendlier policies toward Jews, and we shouldn't be afraid to consider the possibility that this is nonsense. There's nothing racist about having an open mind.

[P_Funk]

When it comes to my feelings about someone, his being Arab has nothing to do with it. I've liked and trusted, and disliked and distrusted, Arabs and Jews pretty much equally. I've felt as comfortable in Arab homes as in Jewish ones, and I've been enraged when I've heard Jews say stupid things like "All Arabs are liars," or "Every Arab will stab you in the back." As if we lacked Jewish liars and back-stabbers!

We shouldn't be afraid to consider the possibility that if Jews adopt friendlier policies toward Arabs and Muslims, then Arabs and Muslims will adopt friendlier policies toward Jews, and we shouldn't be afraid to consider the possibility that this is nonsense. There's nothing racist about having an open mind.
I believe that more or less that agrees generally with what Heibges said. At the very least it doesn't contradict it. Though the sense of the greater muslim world as a whole being the dangerous force compared to the harmlessness of the individuals is the main difference it seems from the idea of isolated sects of extremism.

[tycho102]

Yeah, I saw the Mickey Mouse thing too (Farfour?). It's pretty stupid but not much different than all the other stuff. They've got mujahideen who lie down and play dead as the Red Crescent ambulance whisks them away, only to jump up and help some other "wounded" mujahideen in the next video.

It's about like watching a child's cartoon. I am amazed, every single day, that adults are saying and doing this sort of behavior.

There's not much else to say about Farfour or whatever it is they're calling Mickey Mouse. It all stems back to peace in our time.
http://tron-chaser.net/images2/m_chamberlain.jpg

[The Avon Lady]

Yeah, I saw the Mickey Mouse thing too (Farfour?).
Farfour is dead. Long live Nahoul (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26264_Video-_Killer_Bee_Replaces_Death_Cult_Mickey)! :rock:

[Jimbuna]

It all stems back to peace in our time.

Now there was a guy who belonged in a cartoon if ever there was :lol:

[The Avon Lady]

It all stems back to peace in our time.

Now there was a guy who belonged in a cartoon if ever there was :lol:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2277/chamberlainbigeo7.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chamberlainbigeo7.jpg)

[Jimbuna]

It all stems back to peace in our time.

Now there was a guy who belonged in a cartoon if ever there was :lol:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2277/chamberlainbigeo7.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chamberlainbigeo7.jpg)

:roll: .....................:rotfl:

[Heibges]

It all stems back to peace in our time.

Now there was a guy who belonged in a cartoon if ever there was :lol:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2277/chamberlainbigeo7.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chamberlainbigeo7.jpg)

That doesn't look like Eddie Money to me. :lol:

[Jimbuna]

It all stems back to peace in our time.

Now there was a guy who belonged in a cartoon if ever there was :lol:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2277/chamberlainbigeo7.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chamberlainbigeo7.jpg)

That doesn't look like Eddie Money to me. :lol:

More likely 'the laughing stock of Europe'

[mbthegreat]

French TV reporter asked Arafat at a press conference:

"I would like you to explain to me why the Fatah trains children to use arms and go to the streets taking chances with their lives?"

Arafat: "Can you prove it? Show me the proof!"


I'm confused, Arafat (assuming you are talking about Yasser) has been dead for what, 3 years?

[The Avon Lady]

French TV reporter asked Arafat at a press conference:

"I would like you to explain to me why the Fatah trains children to use arms and go to the streets taking chances with their lives?"

Arafat: "Can you prove it? Show me the proof!"

I'm confused, Arafat (assuming you are talking about Yasser) has been dead for what, 3 years?
Interestingly enough, his death was in the news just last week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCC0XupzsBM).

Actually, I take that back. The major newswire agencies and mass media didn't bother telling anyone (http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=arafat+aids&c=).

[Jimbuna]

I had absolutely no idea that was the cause :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

I had absolutely no idea that was the cause :nope:
Bah! Here's an ol' "we told ya so" (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/4348.htm). :yep:

[Jimbuna]

To be totally honest....for years when he was often on the tv I used to close my ears becuse of the same old repetitive rhetoric :nope:
I wonder how many world leaders have felt the need to be screened, now that the truth is out ? :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

I wonder how many world leaders have felt the need to be screened, now that the truth is out ? :hmm:
They knew it back then anyway. Commentary: Arafat, AIDS and Malevolent Narcissism (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/arafat_aids_and_malevolent_nar.html). Yuck.

[tycho102]

Intestinal cancer can also present some of the same symptoms, especially during treatment. I assumed HIV/AIDS, but not necessarily through homosexual activity. Chairman Mao used to be fond of "cleaning himself off" in the woman he happened to be with at the time.

Don't really have much nice to say about the guy, so I'll leave the post at that.

[The Avon Lady]

You know, I'm just beginning to believe that maybe famous people take more time to die (http://pageoneq.com/news/2007/Washington_Post_says_Reagan_died_three__0718.html) than the rest of us. :dead:

[Heibges]

Politicians the world over just can't keep it in there pants. :D

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/1305038121.html?dids=1305038121:1305038121&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jul+12%2C+2007&author=Jerusalem+Post+staff&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=04&desc=Despite+Katsav%27s+testimony+of+disinterest+i n+%27Aleph%2C%27+phone+records+reveal+that+he+call ed+her+689+times

What did Kissinger say about power being the greatest aphrodesiac?

This case does sound a little more serious than most.

[The Avon Lady]

Politicians the world over just can't keep it in there pants. :D

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/1305038121.html?dids=1305038121:1305038121&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jul+12%2C+2007&author=Jerusalem+Post+staff&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=04&desc=Despite+Katsav%27s+testimony+of+disinterest+i n+%27Aleph%2C%27+phone+records+reveal+that+he+call ed+her+689+times

What did Kissinger say about power being the greatest aphrodesiac?

This case does sound a little more serious than most.
Actually, in the case, no one knows anymore who's telling the truth.

Making 700 phone calls to a senior staffer during a 7 years term is not such a big deal.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt the cause of death will be the same as that of Arafat ;)

[mbthegreat]

Arafat wasn't all bad, the Olso accords would have been a major force for good in the region if the Israelis had stuck to them. The second intifada may never have started if the Olso accords were still in force, and you have to give Arafat (and Rabin) some credit for at least trying to resolve things.

[Heibges]

Politicians the world over just can't keep it in there pants. :D

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/1305038121.html?dids=1305038121:1305038121&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jul+12%2C+2007&author=Jerusalem+Post+staff&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=04&desc=Despite+Katsav%27s+testimony+of+disinterest+i n+%27Aleph%2C%27+phone+records+reveal+that+he+call ed+her+689+times

What did Kissinger say about power being the greatest aphrodesiac?

This case does sound a little more serious than most.
Actually, in the case, no one knows anymore who's telling the truth.

Making 700 phone calls to a senior staffer during a 7 years term is not such a big deal.

They've got some of the girls' mothers coming in to testify? And the mothers' statements in the news read like an episode of "Coffee Talk". It makes what they did to Clinton during the Lewinsky Scandal look like a walk in the park.

I always thought that President Clinton sexually harrassed Monica Lewinksy just because she was a 20 year old girl. He would have been fired at any company in America for doing what he did, and she would have walked out the door with a fat check from Human Resources if she didn't sue the company and him outright. The fact that Monica was a willing participant shouldn't matter.

[The Avon Lady]

Arafat wasn't all bad, the Olso accords would have been a major force for good in the region if the Israelis had stuck to them. The second intifada may never have started if the Olso accords were still in force, and you have to give Arafat (and Rabin) some credit for at least trying to resolve things.
Every claim in your post is a falacy. :yep:

[mbthegreat]

Even statements of opinion such as "may have"?

Or statements refering to irrifutable facts, such as Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem?

Neither side stuck to the agreement very long, but if they had things may be very different, even if all the statements I made were incorrect that sentiment still stands, and therefore none of the statements were a fallacy.