Car bomb found in London

[robbo180265]

Breaking news, a car bomb has been found in the center of London.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252276.stm

Pretty scary stuff

[P_Funk]

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said....
Hehehehe. I think thats the official begining of the new era.:p

But seriously it'll be curious to see how this plays out. I'd like to avoid immediately jumping on the Jihad train. But considering the timing it seems very plausible. But what doesn't seem to make sense is how it was said that the car was careening wildly.

[robbo180265]

I'm guessing that it would have been set to go off on Friday night - the place would have been packed then.

It's obviously linked to Gordon Brown taking over - just look at the photofit the police have released;)

http://www.moneymad.org/photofit.jpg

[Oberon]

Doubt it was an Al'Qaeda job, sounds more like the old Soho bombings, or a radical Al'Qaeda wannabe. Let's face it, anyone can be a terrorist if they want to be. All it takes is some explosives and a public place.

[baggygreen]

Lets just be thankful that it was found and defused in time.

[robbo180265]

Lets just be thankful that it was found and defused in time.

Couldn't agree more with you matey:up:

[The Avon Lady]

I'd like to avoid immediately jumping on the Jihad train.
Don't worry. When they say jump, you'll jump!

(And it wasn't me. :nope: I have 100s of people who can testify that I was heavily overdosed on shopping in a mall elsewhere in London at the time).

[ASWnut101]

A really cheap attempt at a bombing. Petrol? Gas cylinders? I know Al`Quida is not that cheap...I wouldn't be surprised if it was set to go off last week, and just failed.

Most likely (as said before), another "wanna be" terrorist.



But yes, thankfully no one was hurt.

[Tchocky]

Was that a report card, ASW?

Must do better

:)

Still, it would have done plenty of damage. Welcome to TB's almost-nightmare, Gordon.

[ASWnut101]

:rotfl:

No, just an analysis.


"Dammit, why'd they fail this time?"

[The Avon Lady]

Another suspicious vehicle (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1183053065919&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull) found, in Park Lane/Hyde Park area. Sounds like it's not armed, for the moment.

[robbo180265]

Nothing about another car on the Beeb website-yet

This is an interesting read though

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6253802.stm

I wonder if it was an aborted attack? Maybe the fumes got to the driver?

[The Avon Lady]

Nothing about another car on the Beeb website-yet
Yes there is (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252276.stm). Read into the article.

[The Avon Lady]

Nothing about another car on the Beeb website-yet
Yes there is (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252276.stm). Read into the article.

Not often I catch you out A/L - but that's the original link I posted,which probably means you didn't read it:smug:
The article was updated:

"Last Updated: Friday, 29 June 2007, 14:52 GMT 15:52 UK"

:roll:

Otherwise, I don't get your point. :hmm:

[robbo180265]

Your absolutly right - sorry:up:

They must have added it to the original page, or I just didn't see it


"Sources close to the investigation said that the Park Lane closure is linked to the discovery of a vehicle at an underground car park.
It is also believed to be linked to the investigation into the Haymarket car bomb. At the moment it is not known if the vehicle at Park Lane contains a device".

Well spotted that lady:up:

[The Avon Lady]

I'd like to avoid immediately jumping on the Jihad train.
There's so much to chose from (http://sodahead.com/poll/6600/?link=w2_6600_13446)! :yep:

[Heibges]

History of the Car Bomb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_bomb

http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs03242007.html

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10079

[robbo180265]

I'd like to avoid immediately jumping on the Jihad train.
There's so much to chose from (http://sodahead.com/poll/6600/?link=w2_6600_13446)! :yep:

There's one option not on that list.

A cynical hoax by a new(ish) government that wishes to control its population;)

Actually I voted for the Paris Hilton option - and so it seems did a lot of people

[Heibges]

Update:

Looks like they have ID'd the guy.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/terror-plot-inv.html

[Jimbuna]

Bring back the death penalty anyone ? :hmm:

[HunterICX]

Bring back the death penalty anyone ? :hmm:
I say crusify that fella
:stare:

[Biggles]

Damnit! I'm going to London next week! This is terrible! Nail 'em up I say! Nail some sense into 'em! What's the point anyway? Blowing up a car won't bring anything good to this world! It must be terrible living in places where these thing actually happens. In Stockholm, we never, EVER think of these things....or well the police does, but not the locals...

[Wxman]

quite frankly, this is all a bunch of hogwash. There's nothing to see here, and as Michael Moore said: "There is NO terrorist threat." Haven't you ever seen Fahrenheit 911? Get with the program. Remember, John Edwards claims it’s only a bumper sticker.

God damned Bhuddists!

Wait, due to the overwhelming outcry and public denunciation by leading mainstream "moderate" Bhuddist figures that their religion is being hijacked by a small hard core faction of Zen Bhuddists, not much more has been been heard from those clowns.

Probably the Quakers this time. No, wait, the Quakers were dealt a serious black eye when the ringleaders were all publicly excoriated for holding secret Hindu meditation debaucheries. Wolf Blitzer was making a big deal mocking their tone as they were led of to the gallow "Oh, ve, woe be us, we were just following Ghandi's orders."

Perhaps its those Amish & Mennonite extremist militants that are at it again! Profiling anyone with a draft horse may be the only answer. Oh, wait, no profiling and because no wiretaps without court order, they'll be impervious to scrutiny; they go through pre-paid cell phones like there's no tomorrow (maybe they know something we don't: like there isn't going to be a tomorrow). And getting somebody on the inside is almost next to impossible because their code of conduct makes Omerta look like kindergarten stuff.

http://static.flickr.com/97/237972481_6f8e24fa0a_m.jpg

"Busted again, eh Jebbediah?"

"Yup, Saul, best we be taking the fast mule cart out of town..."

Based on a total lack of any evidence whatsoever, and a strict presumption of innocence, they're beyond any reproach. The only other possibility then are those bastard Baptist terrorists from Pakistan (bBtfP). You know how those Bible thumpin'-Christians get when nobody listens to them shriek "The End IS Near!"

Unfortunately, car bombs are the weapon of choice for Jehovah's Witnesses. So that really gets us nowhere.

Any one want to take bets on who would load up a perfectly good Mercedes with a bomb. Personally I would be extremely reticent to finance any sort of terrorists, unless George Sorass was funding me. CNN was running a banner that the Mercedes Benz contained 200 liters of fuel in containers. Imagine how much money Mercedes can get out of the slander/libel lawsuit that CNN made allegations Mercedes doesn't get very good mileage (and they'll end up having to buy all sort of carbon-offset credits). Oy, vey. This is getting better and better.

Anybody want to bet that some recent scientific discovery has thrown all the Darwinist's panties into half a knot? Yeah, well, see, there you go.

Posts on a left-wing political forum - Demomokratic Underground - are intimating that this was a US plant from Bush, intended to get Gordon Brown's support in the war on terror. No wonder those neurotic people are referred to as moonbats.

However, have no fear, London Yard is on top of it:

“Officers are keeping an open mind about who was behind the foiled attack.”

CNN journalists aren't so keen on open-mindedness when reporting "news", their policy is that speculation is far better than reporting facts as news:

"London has a long history of bomb attacks and alerts during decades of violence mounted by Northern Irish guerrilla groups. Lone attackers have also previously targeted the city's gay and immigrant communities."

So there you have it, the thwarted attacks is suggested as being designed to wound, maim and kill gays and immigrants. I bet the gay and immigrants population in car-bomb areas are presently just quivering, what do you think? I know if I was a gay immigrant in those areas I'd be positlively trembling [snap] with glee. Can you even imagine how many gays and immigrants would've been killed if those car bombs went off? Though I didn't know that all that many gays and immigrants drove Mercedes. God Damned gays and immigrants. I'm either in the wrong lifestyle, or have the wrong heritage. F'g ay!

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Um. Well, quite frankly, I fear for the safety of any Brazilian (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/23/AR2005072300987.html") that may be get caught up in all this. That incident is the benchamark example proof-case that no firearm in the hands of anyone is a safe firearm.

I've never been to London, but I heard there are literally hundreds of thousands of evil parked cars parked everywhere, just waiting to pollute the atmosphere with greenhouse gases! The judicial system will be burning the midnight oil processing the warrant requensts to investigate this issue.

Its a quagmire I tell you. I believe that an immediate withdrawl from London should be initiated immediately as a first step and show of good faith. A dialogue should be established with the perpetrators immediately. Perhaps a nice big financial incentive aid package could be worked out to delay the next incident.

Without any doubt whatsoever though, Satanists are pretty much lilly-White in all this.

I found this to be the best comment of the day though:

Doubt it was an Al'Qaeda job, sounds more like the old Soho bombings, or a radical Al'Qaeda wannabe. Let's face it, anyone can be a terrorist if they want to be. All it takes is some explosives and a public place.

Oberon, I respect you immensely as a long time poster, and having an impecable posting history/credentials. But, Dude, that comment was the high point of my day. I'm going to borrow robbo180265 & P_Funk's replies to me on this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=99027&page=2) thread at post #33, #34 for my sentiment:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/kkk.jpg

In the Madrid explosion, the unknown perpetrators used explosives in nail-filled knapsacks, remotely detonated. And in the 2004 London "limousine plot", fuel/nail bombs were contemplated being used. Both these cases are unsolved, and everybody is looking at GWB and wondering why in the F*$@k are YOU the anti-christ? What makes YOU so special? Didn't Mommy love you enough?

All seriousness aside, why in the F*&#$^g world is everybody pussyfooting around without accusing the GD A**holes we know tried this? The Brits won't have any trouble (whatsoever) finding who is responsible - with all their Big Brother invasion of privacy/ no warrant video search cameras. BTW, the Brits have the finest bomb squad around. 10-2-1....can you say: Rushdie Rage

I'm certain that it being Friday.... and sermon day at the mosque...has nothing at all to do with this?

Why is everyone afraid to say the word “ Muslim Terrorist”

Why is Geraldo Riveria considered a reporter on Fox when he nothing more than a overinflated gasbag?

A crack-whore (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/29/terror/main2997517.shtml) told me that:

"Al-Hazeen decries the recent knighthood of controversial author Salman Rushdie as a blow felt by all British Muslims. "This 'honoring' came at a crucial time, a time when the whole nation is reeling from the crusaders attacks on all Muslim lands," he said, in an apparent reference to the British role in Iraq."

You know what they say 'bout crack-whores.

Ferdinand and Isabella are condemned by historians for deporting the Moors from Granada. And they're condemned by historians for invading the lands of the Natives. Liberals will never see the irony

Anyways, sounds to me like an idea whose time has come — again! Sounds to me like all people who cross any border should be shown the Q'ran, and asked if they believe it to be God's Word. Then they should be asked what their interpretation of various verses are. Specifically , foremost, and with excruciating focus the light's intensity should be narrowly focused right into their eyes (so that it gets into their brains) and so as to shed light upon those very troubling verses that appear to be pertainant to the doctrine of jihad.

The foremost question that deserves an answer is: do you subscribe to the doctrine that this book - God's Holy Writ - encourages you to kill government officials and Jews in general, homosexuals, beat woman, and otherwise obstruct democratic process? Does this book contain an exhortation from God that if somebody would be converted from belief that this is indeed the true Word of God, that some sort of corporal punishemnt is merited?

This is not a freedom of religion issue, i.e., civil rights, this is a national security issue; allowing people entry into the country that answer those questions in the affirmative are jeapeordizing the security of everybody living in the country that they're entering. And I believe the military has every right to take those individuals out back and execute them. Their corpses can be expatriated.

If it is discovered that such and such is now speaking sedition and talking insurrection, then neither they (nor whom hosts them shall be immune from prosectution from the full extent of the law). That is once the military gets their mitts off of 'em.

All such laws that abrogate liberty should be "for now" laws, and have a distinct sunset clause. Such laws are absolutely needed, and are absolutely necessary for being reviewed publicly from time to time.

I have one question: do you want to be part of the solution (or part of the problem)? Show me one indication of a systematic threat to our liberties from those who've been entrusted to uphold them (and to protect us), and I'll be the first to light the pitch torches and hand our the tines.

Together we shall overcome.

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[ASWnut101]

My god that is a long post; `gunna take me all night to read it. Loved the Gorilla pic. :lol:

[Wxman]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/kkk.jpg

[Heibges]

I think in some respects, though perhaps not relevant to this situation, that Oberon's statement has a lot of truth. Terrorist groups are not generally centralized and this adds to their strength. One cell that is compromised cannot compromise another cell.

Look at Baader-Meinhof and the SLA. Two totally different groups of people, on two different continents, totally independent of one another, who both used almost the exact same tactics to further their cause.

I think the nature of Al-Qaeda has been simplified somewhat by the government, to make it easier for the American public to understand the War on Terror.

If you want to see how to fight a War on Terror watch "Sword of Gideon" or "Munich"

Here is a copy of Terrorist 101.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/marighella.htm

[Chock]

The really tragic thing about all this is that it is still actually going on at all.

There is no way on earth that one, two or even ten bombs are going to change the policy of any civilised government, and so anyone killed or injured in such an atrocity is a casualty for nothing, and in fact probably has the opposite effect to what the perpetrators desire.

Even those who are not fans of Israel will agree that all bombs on the streets of Jerusalem do, is stiffen the population's resolve.

And ever was it so. It happened in Britain with the IRA bombings, and before that when the Luftwaffe were dropping them all over our asses. All that did was strengthen the government's position against would-be appeasers and make people more determined to kick Hitler's ass. And even when we got around to doing that, ours and the Eighth Air Force's bombs on Germany largely bolstered support for Hitler and put all the German populace's backs against the wall, to the extent that their productivity actually went up as WW2 drew to a close.

The attack on the World Trade Center had the same catalysing effect on the US population.

When will these people ever learn?

:D Chock

[Heibges]

I think the IRA being an "Internal Enemy", strengthened the British resolve in this regard.

Overall, the West has proven itself soft to this type of thing.

The British abandoned the Mandate after just a few bombs from the Palestinians and Jews.

It took one suicide bomb to get the United States out of Lebanon.

The Germans caved after Munich.

But I agree they will get nowhere with Israel using those tactics.

[P_Funk]

The attack on the World Trade Center had the same catalysing effect on the US population.
I dunno. You look at the way GWB took that baby and ran with it you might think that the WTC was a real victory for... well for them. It might just be coincidence but all the big booboos that the US has become involved in following the impetus of the so called "post-9/11 world" you could say that its been severely damaging. It gave George Bush, a man prone to catastrophic decision making, the moral will to lead on into the mess of Iraq. Now there are American troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the horrifying prospect of Bushy picking a fight with Iran. Imagine a Middle East where the US is in combat from the borders of Pakistan, through Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq.

All that from a relatively small event in the sense of scope like 9/11.

[Skybird]

Iraq war has been planned long, years, before 9/11. The plan was locked in a drawer during the Clinton years, waiting for a suitable president. It would have been launched without 9/11 as well. Al Quaeda and bin Laden had nothign to do with the Iraq war. That was and is propaganda only to make justification of the attack easier.

9/11 was the best thing that could had happened to GWB. At that time all world made mockery about him, and Americans themselves did not take him seriously and laughed. Remember his way of entering the office: for minutes the limousine was standing in the rain, and the passengers apparently thinking about wether they should unboard or not, after they had to pass rows of demonstrators. GWB definitely was no popular president. And other presidents found a far more warm welcome. so, it is only ending like it was beginning, when Bush is left alone by so many former political friends today and will sneak out of office as one of the most unloved presidents ever.

9/11 led to Afghanistan intervention, which probably was not on the immediate short-termed angenda. It delayed the war on Iraq, but it did not prevent it. The Iraq war had priority. That's one of the reasons why Afghanistan was neglected so soon after the Taliban were driven out: the military focus was shifted to the Iraq war. Nobody thought about the longterm perspective for Afghanistan. Today's miserbale situation in Afghanistan is the direct and logical conseqeunce from that mistake. What would have been in need was determined longterm engagement on financial, reconstruction and military level. Instead, the military support substatially declined, the financial support fulfilled only halöf of the made promises, and the reconstruction was left to other, especially germany. The German way of civil reconstruction and winning hearts and minds led to the - by far - best results, but due to lacking support by others, outside then German areas the situation detoriated and began to negatively influence the mood in the German sector as well. For historical reasons then German were welcomed with open arms, but today the mood towards them is as hostile as it is towards Americans or british or Canadians as well, with the German bases and patrols being under regular attacks since longer time now.

I again refer to my essay "Trapped in the Afghan Maze", were I dealt with this in detail.

[P_Funk]

Iraq war has been planned long, years, before 9/11. The plan was locked in a drawer during the Clinton years, waiting for a suitable president. It would have been launched without 9/11 as well. Al Quaeda and bin Laden had nothign to do with the Iraq war. That was and is propaganda only to make justification of the attack easier.
Thats basically what I meant. I don't need to say any of that when I say this stuff cause I know you'll be right behind me with the goods.;)

[U-533]

I say we bring back the days of "Profiling".

You know... the ones where if you looked like the enemy then you probably are...

The lines at airports would be shorter because then we wouldn't have to wait for Security to go through a Little ol' Blue haired Lady's luggage while a Arab lookin' guy walks passed with just a wave of the wand.

I've had a few people who work the so called 'Security Gate' at JIA tell me and I quote... "Man, We ain't messin with no dark skinned people. We could get sued or sumpthin'... that and if they was carrin' a bomb they could blow us up...F**K dat man!" Unquote.

I could give you more reason's why I dont fly but this aint a thread for that.

[Tchocky]

You know... the ones where if you looked like the enemy then you probably are... As someone who is regularly searched because of how I look, no thank you

The lines at airports would be shorter because then we wouldn't have to wait for Security to go through a Little ol' Blue haired Lady's luggage while a Arab lookin' guy walks passed with just a wave of the wand.
yeah, that will keep everything fine and dandy for about fifteen minutes, once it's obsderved that all these old ladies are getting through without being searched.

[yankee-V]

All I can say is Bravo to the Metropolitan Police, and to the observant civilians in this case. No, one bomb outside a nightclub isn't going to change anything, except terrorize ordinary folks. Which is probably a big thing for these wanna-be Al Qaeda.

[U-533]

As someone who is regularly searched because of how I look, no thank you


yeah, that will keep everything fine and dandy for about fifteen minutes, once it's obsderved that all these old ladies are getting through without being searched.

Your right about the blue haired lady thing Tchocky ... there aint that many blue haried ladies left in this world:cry: so I guess it's time to be more suspiciuos of them...after all blue haired lil' ol' ladies should stay in the nursing home where thay belong... that way we're safe.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

About how ya look ... luck of the draw I guess...

Unless you invite it by being freaky lookin or associate with people who do.

I got long hair and I'm big as a horse so toothless rednecks are always pickin on me! When they find out how I can fight I earn some respect...but I dont need respect from toothless rednecks...but it sure is fun open'in a can of WHOOPAS* every now an then.:rotfl:

The cops useta pick on me too.. always some rookie wantin ta show he's got a pair to his buddy...didnt take them long to figure out I dont play that... of course it cost me some time got a bullet hole and some scars but hey in the long run they now come to me for advice...lol:rotfl:

[Oberon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm

[Yahoshua]

I'm certain that it being Friday.... and sermon day at the mosque...has nothing at all to do with this?


Friday is also execution day in saudi Arabia, so that may have something to do with it.

[Heibges]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm

JHC!:nope:

[The Avon Lady]

there aint that many blue haried ladies left in this world:cry:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9013/dameednabackwithavengeaba0.jpg

[tycho102]

There's some weird stuff going on with this.

The nails were sitting on the floorboard of the trunk. Any good Hezbollah mujahideen could tell you that is a worthless setup. It would be better to fill carpenters' cotton tool belts full of bolt nuts, and duct tape them to the side of the canisters.

And then there's some SUV that's been rammed into the airport terminal. Looks like it just hit a column out in front of the terminal. That was a waste. A little foam and a tow truck, the place will be back in business tomorrow, and you'll have given away the existence of your terrorist cell.

I'm talking about incompetence.



It took one suicide bomb to get the United States out of Lebanon.

Correction:
It took one good suicide bomb to get the US out of Lebanon. There were 283 knocked on that one. That's a good one even compared to the plane bombings.

[Tchocky]

Wow, a lot of disappointed subsimmers :hmm:

[baggygreen]

i suppose that its worthless to hope that these failed attacks might possibly reinforce in the leftists that there actually is a real threat...

congrats to the observant people tho. 3 cheers for walking around with your eyes open!

[Jimbuna]

Hitler couldn't break them and nor will terrorism :nope:

[Tchocky]

About how ya look ... luck of the draw I guess...

Unless you invite it by being freaky lookin or associate with people who do.

It shouldn't matter. Everyone should get the same security treatment, so no one gets away with looking "safe". I don't "invite" extra screening, but I've gotten it.
Frisked four times before getting on board tends to piss me off, especially when I didn't see anyone else get more than two. I have nothing on my record that would necessitate this treatment, so it must be visual. Shouldn't they be frsking those who don't stand out?

"what's this sir?"
An external hard drive.
"could you take it apart please?"

.............no.

"this is very large for a laptop computer"
.....yes, yes it is.

As for "if you look like the enemy you probably are"

....................

[The Avon Lady]

Hitler couldn't break them and nor will terrorism :nope:
England didn't have an open immigation policy in the 30's of letting in tons of Germans.

They will either break or snap back. Too soon to tell but they don't have all the time in the world to decide.

Good luck, Europe!

[Konovalov]

Good luck, Europe!

If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.

[Jimbuna]

They will either break or snap back.

'Breaking' is not and never will be an option worthy of consideration by the British people :nope:

[Heibges]

Hitler couldn't break them and nor will terrorism :nope:
England didn't have an open immigation policy in the 30's of letting in tons of Germans.

They will either break or snap back. Too soon to tell but they don't have all the time in the world to decide.

Good luck, Europe!

Correct, England had the opposite reaction. I was watching The Ritchie Boys on the History Channel. They were recruited from amongst the Germanborn immigrants in England who were interred in Canada. And they were Germanborn Jews! You think their hated of Hitler would have been unquestioned.

[NefariousKoel]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.

She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:

[Jimbuna]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.

She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:

That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:

[NefariousKoel]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.
She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:
That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:
I'm all for withdrawing and letting the Euros make their battle of words, brother. The past century is past when the US was relied on to keep them safe. I say.. "you're on your own now, g'luck!":|\\

Excepting the UK, of course. Maybe Poland.

Last couple world wars I checked.. us Americans got sucked into at least one European conflict and another by proxy. And then some *cough* Kosovo *cough*

[Jimbuna]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.
She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:
That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:
I'm all for withdrawing and letting the Euros make their battle of words, brother. The past century is past when the US was relied on to keep them safe. I say.. "you're on your own now, g'luck!":|\\

Excepting the UK, of course. Maybe Poland.

Last couple world wars I checked.. us Americans got sucked into at least one European conflict and another by proxy. And then some *cough* Kosovo *cough*

Well now that the east/west divide appears to have gone, we might see Europe looking after it's own interests....only prob with that is ....every feckas in Europe now :doh:

[NefariousKoel]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.
She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:
That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:
I'm all for withdrawing and letting the Euros make their battle of words, brother. The past century is past when the US was relied on to keep them safe. I say.. "you're on your own now, g'luck!":|\\

Excepting the UK, of course. Maybe Poland.

Last couple world wars I checked.. us Americans got sucked into at least one European conflict and another by proxy. And then some *cough* Kosovo *cough*
Well now that the east/west divide appears to have gone, we might see Europe looking after it's own interests....only prob with that is ....every feckas in Europe now :doh:
How will you solve such problems? I can't say I'm honestly averse to denying help of sorts, but it's time to be your own country. Including defending it.

No hard feelings but it's time to grow, right?

Then again, you're a Brit, so we're kinda joined at the hip. I'm all for standing with the UK as you 'POM's seem to know what you're doing a quarter of the time and are some of our best friends. It goes both ways, too.

The rest of Europe... bleh.

[Fish]

The rest of Europe... bleh.

Thanks man, forgot we invented you? :cool:

[Jimbuna]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.
She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:
That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:
I'm all for withdrawing and letting the Euros make their battle of words, brother. The past century is past when the US was relied on to keep them safe. I say.. "you're on your own now, g'luck!":|\\

Excepting the UK, of course. Maybe Poland.

Last couple world wars I checked.. us Americans got sucked into at least one European conflict and another by proxy. And then some *cough* Kosovo *cough*
Well now that the east/west divide appears to have gone, we might see Europe looking after it's own interests....only prob with that is ....every feckas in Europe now :doh:
How will you solve such problems? I can't say I'm honestly averse to denying help of sorts, but it's time to be your own country. Including defending it.

No hard feelings but it's time to grow, right?

Then again, you're a Brit, so we're kinda joined at the hip. I'm all for standing with the UK as you 'POM's seem to know what you're doing a quarter of the time and are some of our best friends. It goes both ways, too.

The rest of Europe... bleh.

Don't get me wrong......I'm certain we are more than capable of solving our own problems, especially those on our own doorstep.....I just wish that some of the decision makers in the UK would come to the realisation that long gone are the days when the sun never set on the British Empire :sunny:

[micky1up]

About how ya look ... luck of the draw I guess...

Unless you invite it by being freaky lookin or associate with people who do.

It shouldn't matter. Everyone should get the same security treatment, so no one gets away with looking "safe". I don't "invite" extra screening, but I've gotten it.
Frisked four times before getting on board tends to piss me off, especially when I didn't see anyone else get more than two. I have nothing on my record that would necessitate this treatment, so it must be visual. Shouldn't they be frsking those who don't stand out?

"what's this sir?"
An external hard drive.
"could you take it apart please?"

.............no.

"this is very large for a laptop computer"
.....yes, yes it is.

As for "if you look like the enemy you probably are"

....................

thats becasue you look dodgey lol

[Heibges]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man. Broken record springs to mind.

She's got the right idea. The rest of us should stop trying to be the big protective brother and let Europe screw itself further. Woot! :rock:

That's often been the problem for Europe: getting sucked into something it shouldn't by a sort of big protective brother :hmm:

As Chris Rock would say, more like the uncle who pays your way through college, but molests you. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[tycho102]

Wow, a lot of disappointed subsimmers :hmm:

Not disappointed. Just saying when you're on the defense, you don't celebrate when offense misses a trebuchet shot.

[Tchocky]

True, true

I'm only messing :)

[Heibges]

Update:

And yet another reason to hate doctors.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287634,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/02/london.alert/index.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/02/europe/britain.php

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,491893,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070702&t=2&i=1045614&w=192

[waste gate]

Wow, six doctors. Is this what socialized medicine (universal health care)produces? I'm not trying to be snide. Or is it just because the six doctors were muslim?

[Tchocky]

Is this what socialized medicine (universal health care)produces?

I think I'll go with "No" here.

[waste gate]

Is this what socialized medicine (universal health care)produces?

I think I'll go with "No" here.

I'd have to agree with ya T. That leaves the other choice unless there is something I'm missing.

[Tchocky]

Well, it's not either/or, so you are missing something :). Christians blow up people too, but when it's Al-Qaeda-inspired, it's easy to guess.

[waste gate]

As a side note: I don't know much about the Hypocratic Oath but I think these six violated it.

First, do no harm.

[Reaves]

Well, it's not either/or, so you are missing something :). Christians blow up people too, but when it's Al-Qaeda-inspired, it's easy to guess.

Yes but that's called collateral damage. Not murder of civillians. tsk. ;)

[Oberon]

More controlled explosions going on in Glasgow, outside a mosque apparently....

And an arrest made in Oz to do with this too...

[Reaves]

More controlled explosions going on in Glasgow, outside a mosque apparently....

And an arrest made in Oz to do with this too...

Yep another doctor, he was caught trying to flee the country.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=276176


An Indian-trained doctor living on the Gold Coast has been detained and a second doctor is being questioned by police in Brisbane in relation to the UK terror plot.
A 27-year-old doctor was arrested by counter-terrorism police at Brisbane International Airport just before midnight (AEST) on Monday after a tip-off from British police.
It is understood the doctor was headed for India via the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, on a one-way air ticket, but had not resigned from his job at the Gold Coast Hospital.



Search warrants were executed across south-east Queensland on Tuesday, including at the hospital, but no charges have been laid.Queensland Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson said no explosive material had been found.
But it is understood emails have been seized.
Queensland Premier Peter Beattie confirmed the investigation was related to the failed car bombings in central London and at Glasgow airport in recent days.
"We understand that the man that had been detained at the airport last night had some connection to the incidents in the UK," Mr Beattie said.
"However, it's not appropriate to provide ... any specific, further information."
Mr Beattie said the man was recruited from Liverpool in the north of England in March last year and started work at the hospital six months later.
He has worked in the general and emergency areas of the hospital.
Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty said the man had not been on any Australian watch lists and the information had been obtained by British authorities at the weekend.
The man is the eighth person detained over the failed attacks on London and Glasgow.
Mr Beattie said a second doctor, also recruited from Liverpool, was being interviewed by police, but at this stage authorities were not aware of "any particular link".
Mr Beattie said the arrested doctor was regarded by the hospital as a "model citizen".
Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock would not confirm whether other people were being investigated in relation to the search warrants.
Mr Ruddock said no change had been made to Australia's terror alert level, which remained at medium.
"While these matters are obviously of concern, there is no information that suggests the terror alert at medium should be varied," Mr Ruddock said.
"When I use those words I use them very deliberately because what it means is that while a terrorist attack could certainly be possible in Australia, we have no specific information about any such planned action here."
Mr Beattie said there was no specific threat to Queensland, which is due to host high-level meetings of APEC trade and finance ministers this month.
"Queenslanders, I just want to say, need to be calm about this," Mr Beattie said.
"We are not aware of any threat to any building or any activity in Queensland at all, so the threat remains as it was prior to this arrest."
Federal Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd has called on Australians to remain calm and vigilant.
"It is important for all Australians to be calm, it is important for all Australian people to remain vigilant and if they notice anything which causes suspicion, of course, contact the relevant authorities," he told reporters in Sydney.
"Terrorism has not gone away, we must remain vigilant, resolute and united in dealing with this threat."
Mr Rudd said he had discussed whether Australia's terrorism threat level should be increased and he remained confident the current level was suitable.
"I discussed this matter also with the director general of ASIO this morning," he said.
"I am confident, based on the information provided to me that the relevant threat assessment is appropriate."
The organisation representing Australia's foreign doctors is concerned its members will be stigmatised by the latest developments.
Andrew Schwartz, president of the Australian Doctors Trained Overseas Association, said he hoped the arrests would not be unfairly connected with migrant doctors.
"They have a hard enough time coming to Australia with people having a suspicion about them not being up to standard," Mr Schwartz said.
Queensland Premier Peter Beattie said earlier that he hoped overseas-recruited doctors working in Queensland hospitals would not be targeted as a result of the arrest.
Queensland Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson also said the incident was "no slight on overseas-trained doctors".

[The Avon Lady]

Good luck, Europe!
If I had a pound for every time that you have used that line on this forum I would be a very rich man.
You could make more money making fun of that line as a journalist for the Guardian or Le Monde. :yep:
Hitler couldn't break them and nor will terrorism :nope:
England didn't have an open immigation policy in the 30's of letting in tons of Germans.

They will either break or snap back. Too soon to tell but they don't have all the time in the world to decide.

Good luck, Europe!

Correct, England had the opposite reaction. I was watching The Ritchie Boys on the History Channel. They were recruited from amongst the Germanborn immigrants in England who were interred in Canada. And they were Germanborn Jews! You think their hated of Hitler would have been unquestioned.
How do you compare people running away from butchers to people rushing in with butchering as their quest?

The usual moral equivalence rubbish.

[Konovalov]

As a side note: I don't know much about the Hypocratic Oath but I think these six violated it.

First, do no harm.

They wouldn't be the first. Dr Harold Shipman I presume. One of the most efficient killers in a list of many Doctors, GP's and nurses.

[The Avon Lady]

As a side note: I don't know much about the Hypocratic Oath but I think these six violated it.

First, do no harm.

They wouldn't be the first. Dr Harold Shipman I presume. One of the most efficient killers in a list of many Doctors, GP's and nurses.
Not only can we not mention the "D" word, now we cannot mention the "M" word (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017229.php).

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2067/seehearspeakcw6.jpg

[The Avon Lady]

As a side note: I don't know much about the Hypocratic Oath but I think these six violated it.

First, do no harm.
But what of those that take a quite different medical oath (http://www.whokilledja.com/Who%20Killed%20JA/Sometimes%20Physicians%20And%20Other%20Sick%20Care %20Workers%20May%20Behave%20Differently%20From%20W hat%20You%20Expect.htm)? :hmm:

[Heibges]

The Doctor's Plot?

That's a blast from the past right out of Cold War History.:nope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Human_Rights/plot.html

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139050

http://www.curledup.com/stalins.htm

But this time it's real.:down: