Oh come on! This is BS!

[Snakeeyes]

Okay. I'm in U-107 a Type IXB taking part in operation Drumbeat right now. I'm off Long Island right now. I've found a good route that merchants take in and out of New York Harbor. I'm playing with GWX.

Dept under my keel at periscope depth is 7 meters. Lovely.

I love the American supertechnology that allows them to see my boat. I did not know thta patrol ships had a friggin' AEGIS radar to spot periscopes in horrible weather. GEESE!!! I've been rammed by this lunatic in his patrol boat TWICE now! I break his keel and he goes down like a sack of hammers. In the process the ******* always destroys my conning tower.

Do others have this problem? This is not as realistic as it seems. If you've read the book Operation Drumbeat you'll know that American Navy efforts to stop Donitz operations were completely inept. These patrol ships are friggin' WAITING for me! It's like trying to walk into Saigon in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!

BS!

[Sailor Steve]

You say "horrible weather". How horrible? If it's heavy, foggy and raining then I agree: they shouldn't be spotting you.

[Snakeeyes]

visibility 100 meters

If I can't surface after the sun goes down then I'm dead.

[Sailor Steve]

Then they shouldn't see you outside of that. I don't know what the problem is, but don't worry, somebody will be along with an answer.

[Snakeeyes]

I surfaced for 5 minutes just to test. Sure enough, the same ******* changed his course, rammed the crap out of me and turned himself into an Al Queda weannie roast!

WTF?!!!

[kiwi_2005]

Okay. I'm in U-107 a Type IXB taking part in operation Drumbeat right now. I'm off Long Island right now. I've found a good route that merchants take in and out of New York Harbor. I'm playing with GWX.

Dept under my keel at periscope depth is 7 meters. Lovely.

I love the American supertechnology that allows them to see my boat. I did not know thta patrol ships had a friggin' AEGIS radar to spot periscopes in horrible weather. GEESE!!! I'm been rammed by this lunatic in his patrol boat TWICE now! I break his keel and he goes down like a sack of hammers. In the process the ******* always destroys my conning tower.

Do others have this problem? This is not as realistic as it seems. If you've read the book Operation Drumbeat you'll know that American Navy efforts to stop Donitz operations were completely inept. These patrol ships are friggin' WAITING for me! It's like trying to walk into Saigon in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!

BS!

Sorry i aint got an answer but i did find it funny.
Yep the americans were not on to it if i can say that in the first few months of Drumbeat. Later on tho they delt to it, caue they changed to convoys and more escorts instead of lone ships sailing happily by sometimes with lights on. It was an IX commanders heaven.

[Snakeeyes]

NOT FOR ME! This sucks!!!!!

[Packerton]

Reminds me of this one time where I waited till a lone merchant sound contact was 80 degrees of my bow then I came to periscope depth.....

Raised the Periscope and he was in the middle of evasive action.

:damn: Ill never ever figure out what happened or how I got detected.

[Snakeeyes]

Only thing I can think of is that SOMEHOW they are able to see occasionally my radio antenna out of the water but in REALITY this is pure crap.

[Nuoz]

Have you accounted for the positive boyance your boat is subject to if you travel at low speed? If you are stopped you'll be 3 meters abouve what you'd normaly (under stock that is) expect. Could be a factor.

[hobnailboot]

I was just off Ireland in a storm, nightime, waiting at 14 metres, set for silent running and a dd with some kind of esp made a beeline for me and sank me with the first drop of ashcans:damn: , I was not a happy bunny...just as you can be in the right place at the right time , you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time...well that is what I keep telling myself. Another time I spent ages getting out of the kiel kanal, then the RAF turned up and added some extra vetilation to my new uboat.

Good luck on your next patrol

[bigboywooly]

Part of the problem is the crew efficiency
I never got as far as the US in looking at stock ratings

I have removed 99% of the stock scripted patrols around the UK and US

Stock SCR below - the ships become " alive " when you reach within 50 km of them

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/Stock.jpg

GWX 1.04 below

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/1.04.jpg

Patrols are random now and contain a realistic crew rating
A quick look at stock SCR tells me the ships off the NY coast in 41\early 42 have a rating of veteran :o

[XLjedi]

If you've read the book Operation Drumbeat you'll know that American Navy efforts to stop Donitz operations were completely inept. These patrol ships are friggin' WAITING for me! It's like trying to walk into Saigon in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!

BS!

Somehow I skipped over that chapter where Hardigan raided NY harbor. :hmm:

I'd say maybe the only real complaint when comparing to the drumbeat book would be that the US had like maybe 2 destroyers looking for subs on the East coast... and I seem to run into em on every patrol.

[bigboywooly]

Oops forgot this pic
The highlighted circles are areas of patrol with a possibily that the ship may be anywhere within that circle before moving onto the next one

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/random.jpg

[Penelope_Grey]

Only thing I can think of is that SOMEHOW they are able to see occasionally my radio antenna out of the water but in REALITY this is pure crap.

If enough of your conning tower was exposed, they would see you rough weather does cause this. During rough weather, you are that close to the surface it is realistically tough to keep a boat level and at right depth. Ideally, and if it was me, I'd have set depth for slightly deeper than periscope depth. For safety reasons.

Also as I understand it from my own experiences, it seems the enemy AI is constantly alert. In GWX the ASW effort is a lot better than in base game. So, these combined, comes with the territory.:yep:

[danurve]

I think Nuoz has a point ith positive bouyancy and the boat being exposed.

Snakeeyes; check your \Submarine\NSS_Uboat9b\NSS_Uboat9b.cfg Periscope depth.
Is it less then 13.5;meters ? (IXB)

I ran into a similar problem, some damn where I can't remember, but from 2.0 to the 2.15 update. Positive boyancy got my jazz detected about everytime with old tactics from neutral boyancy.

[robj250]

I think Nuoz has a point ith positive bouyancy and the boat being exposed.

Snakeeyes; check your \Submarine\NSS_Uboat9b\NSS_Uboat9b.cfg Periscope depth.
Is it less then 13.5;meters ? (IXB)

I ran into a similar problem, some damn where I can't remember, but from 2.0 to the 2.15 update. Positive boyancy got my jazz detected about everytime with old tactics from neutral boyancy.

My periscope depth says 12 metres. is it supposed to be 13.5?

Rob

[Jimbuna]

Just a little curious here :hmm:
If, in your opinion GWX and or the realism or gameplay is "crap" and "sucks"....what version of the sim do you prefer to play?

[ichso]

Part of the problem is the crew efficiency
I never got as far as the US in looking at stock ratings

I have removed 99% of the stock scripted patrols around the UK and US

Stock SCR below - the ships become " alive " when you reach within 50 km of them

But stock scripted patrols don't affect the DD's crews awareness of the player's sub, do they ?

[bigboywooly]

Part of the problem is the crew efficiency
I never got as far as the US in looking at stock ratings

I have removed 99% of the stock scripted patrols around the UK and US

Stock SCR below - the ships become " alive " when you reach within 50 km of them

But stock scripted patrols don't affect the DD's crews awareness of the player's sub, do they ?

Well yes if the crew level is veteran in 1941 off the US coast it will
You would expect to come across a few veteran convoy escorts by then but not US patrols

The higher the crew rating the better they are obviously
A competant crew arent as efficient or good as a veteran one
An elite crew is better again

[robj250]

I think Nuoz has a point ith positive bouyancy and the boat being exposed.

Snakeeyes; check your \Submarine\NSS_Uboat9b\NSS_Uboat9b.cfg Periscope depth.
Is it less then 13.5;meters ? (IXB)

I ran into a similar problem, some damn where I can't remember, but from 2.0 to the 2.15 update. Positive boyancy got my jazz detected about everytime with old tactics from neutral boyancy.

My periscope depth says 12 metres. is it supposed to be 13.5?

Rob

@danurve:

You were taking to Snakeeyes about periscope depth for IXB. Did you see my question?

[Corsair]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D

[Snakeeyes]

Just a little curious here :hmm:
If, in your opinion GWX and or the realism or gameplay is "crap" and "sucks"....what version of the sim do you prefer to play?
Do NOT try to make me look like a bad guy I only wanted to convey large amounts of disappointment with the AI abilities around New York. I just know that this is the first time with GWX that I have found a real goofy problem. Visiting New York in conventional SH3 was actually a little more realistic in terms of US Navy presence while GWX has more realistic shipping traffic.

Take your pick, it even out.

[Snakeeyes]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D

Fortune favors the bold my French friend.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D

Fortune favors the bold my French friend.

Okay, (Kpt. Lehmann pushes his "be patient" button three times.) since your non-radar proof U-boat is in shallow, seven-meter water with parts sticking out... and you have awakened the usually dull local ASW forces into "full alert" status... and they are doing their best to do their job and kill you... and you've put yourself in a position where you cannot get away...

HOW is this BS????

PS: You should have seen how many crew level 4 "elite" units there were on the U.S. eastern seaboard region before GW/GWX began to reduce them in efficiency level.

[joea]

Just a little curious here :hmm:
If, in your opinion GWX and or the realism or gameplay is "crap" and "sucks"....what version of the sim do you prefer to play?
Do NOT try to make me look like a bad guy I only wanted to convey large amounts of disappointment with the AI abilities around New York. I just know that this is the first time with GWX that I have found a real goofy problem. Visiting New York in conventional SH3 was actually a little more realistic in terms of US Navy presence while GWX has more realistic shipping traffic.

Take your pick, it even out.

How realistic is it to raid New York? Never happened btw, New York at least was pretty well protected, it was the traffic off the coast that was not. :roll:

[Snakeeyes]

Just a little curious here :hmm:
If, in your opinion GWX and or the realism or gameplay is "crap" and "sucks"....what version of the sim do you prefer to play?
Do NOT try to make me look like a bad guy I only wanted to convey large amounts of disappointment with the AI abilities around New York. I just know that this is the first time with GWX that I have found a real goofy problem. Visiting New York in conventional SH3 was actually a little more realistic in terms of US Navy presence while GWX has more realistic shipping traffic.

Take your pick, it even out.
How realistic is it to raid New York? Never happened btw, New York at least was pretty well protected, it was the traffic off the coast that was not. :roll:
Read the book I mentioned. I'm not in the friggin harbor. I'm way off where Hardagen was.

[danurve]

I think Nuoz has a point ith positive bouyancy and the boat being exposed.

Snakeeyes; check your \Submarine\NSS_Uboat9b\NSS_Uboat9b.cfg Periscope depth.
Is it less then 13.5;meters ? (IXB)

I ran into a similar problem, some damn where I can't remember, but from 2.0 to the 2.15 update. Positive boyancy got my jazz detected about everytime with old tactics from neutral boyancy.

My periscope depth says 12 metres. is it supposed to be 13.5?

Rob

@danurve:

You were taking to Snakeeyes about periscope depth for IXB. Did you see my question?
Yes I just read it, sorry about the late reply.
I can't say if your sub cfg file is supposed to be 13.5, but that is what returns neutral buoyancy for the VIIB-VIIC & IXB I use. It is from a mod called (REL_GWX_FTT_Subs_Neutral). Btw it also has information on salvo selection that makes more sence when you have a mix of t1&t2's for example.
And with that I'm out of this thread, was trying to help but it seem to be getting sour.
Good luck.

[Snakeeyes]

I think Nuoz has a point ith positive bouyancy and the boat being exposed.

Snakeeyes; check your \Submarine\NSS_Uboat9b\NSS_Uboat9b.cfg Periscope depth.
Is it less then 13.5;meters ? (IXB)

I ran into a similar problem, some damn where I can't remember, but from 2.0 to the 2.15 update. Positive boyancy got my jazz detected about everytime with old tactics from neutral boyancy.
My periscope depth says 12 metres. is it supposed to be 13.5?

Rob
@danurve:

You were taking to Snakeeyes about periscope depth for IXB. Did you see my question?
Yes I just read it, sorry about the late reply.
I can't say if your sub cfg file is supposed to be 13.5, but that is what returns neutral buoyancy for the VIIB-VIIC & IXB I use. It is from a mod called (REL_GWX_FTT_Subs_Neutral). Btw it also has information on salvo selection that makes more sence when you have a mix of t1&t2's for example.
And with that I'm out of this thread, was trying to help but it seem to be getting sour.
Good luck.

:)

First off - Didn't mean to get defensive. Horrible long day. Didn't mean to sour. I'll sweeten now. :)

I'm going to check the config file and set for 13.5 I do seem to ride high you know?

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

[Reverie]

I just Love Rudyard Kipling :)
Reverie

[joea]

Read the book I mentioned. I'm not in the friggin harbor. I'm way off where Hardagen was.

Ahh yes I see sorry about that. Well the others are correct, just a check I wonder if any of the US warships have radar at this time? :hmm: Besides the crew ratings.

[Snakeeyes]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D
Fortune favors the bold my French friend.
Okay, (Kpt. Lehmann pushes his "be patient" button three times.) since your non-radar proof U-boat is in shallow, seven-meter water with parts sticking out... and you have awakened the usually dull local ASW forces into "full alert" status... and they are doing their best to do their job and kill you... and you've put yourself in a position where you cannot get away...

HOW is this BS????

PS: You should have seen how many crew level 4 "elite" units there were on the U.S. eastern seaboard region before GW/GWX began to reduce them in efficiency level.
But I haven't even fired a shot, surfaced or have American vessels WITH radar around me.:huh: Weather conditions are the pits.

If you had to reduce the number of level-4 defenders how come I simply walked straight into the harbor before I installed GWX?:rotfl: Doesn't matter. I tweaked the periscope depth - hopefully that will stop the problem.

[bigboywooly]

If you had to reduce the number of level-4 defenders how come I simply walked straight into the harbor before I installed GWX?.

Because the stock sensors were a joke
No matter how high the crew levels

With improved sensors the crew levels really matter

[Brag]

Do you have SOOSW installed?

Soosw (stay out of shallow water)


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Do you have SOOSW installed?

Soosw (stay out of shallow water)


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Is that like a curb feeler? :huh:

[Snakeeyes]

If you had to reduce the number of level-4 defenders how come I simply walked straight into the harbor before I installed GWX?.

Because the stock sensors were a joke
No matter how high the crew levels

With improved sensors the crew levels really matter
BOOM! There's the answer. :)


I still managed to get into the harbor and turn the cruise liner at Liberty Island into a giant Teakie Torch Kpt. Lehmann. ;)

[danlisa]

I still managed to get into the harbor and turn the cruise liner at Liberty Island into a giant Teakie Torch Kpt. Lehmann. ;)

So, it's still doable in GWX but bloody hard.:yep:

[Corsair]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D
Fortune favors the bold my French friend.

In this game it will more often bring a premature end to a promising career... Of course if you reload previous saves you can try any crazy tactics...:D

[Brag]

7 meters depth under keel at periscope depth is called looking for real trouble...:D
Fortune favors the bold my French friend.

In this game it will more often bring a premature end to a promising career... Of course if you reload previous saves you can try any crazy tactics...:D

There's a big different between bold and rash. The idea in war is to let the enemy do the brave deeds and die for his country. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Just a little curious here :hmm:
If, in your opinion GWX and or the realism or gameplay is "crap" and "sucks"....what version of the sim do you prefer to play?
Do NOT try to make me look like a bad guy I only wanted to convey large amounts of disappointment with the AI abilities around New York. I just know that this is the first time with GWX that I have found a real goofy problem. Visiting New York in conventional SH3 was actually a little more realistic in terms of US Navy presence while GWX has more realistic shipping traffic.

Take your pick, it even out.

I WAS NOT trying to make you look like anything. I was merely asking what your preference was if you were so disappointed with elements of GWX.

[Growler]

There's a big different between bold and rash. The idea in war is to let the enemy do the brave deeds and die for his country. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You'll find old sailors, and bold sailors, but seldom both at once.