my cpu

[ABBAFAN]

i have the amd xp3400 64bit processor which my copy of sh3 tellss me in insufficient as having a frequency(?) of 1005.
what does that mean?would it be a problem for the computer if i simply put in a pentium processor instead?perhaps pentium 4?


will a nVidia 7800GS 256MB graphics card run this game ok? pixel shading etc?


this klind of running trouble is really put me off computer games in general.:nope: :nope:

[johnny chimpo]

The Processor should be fine. Also you cant just put a pentium in you pc that would require a new motherboard compatable with the processor.
As for the gfx card good ghoice although you dont mention what your upgrading from.

[bigboywooly]

Your graphics card is fine
Your CPU is either 2.2 or 2.4Ghz depending on the varient
Should be fine
Have you tried running SH3 ?

How much RAM do you have
1Gb is minimum really
More is better

[ABBAFAN]

yes i tried running it and it says processor frequency(whatever the h ll that is)is only 1005 and thus insufficient and the pixel shading of my current graphics card is insufficiaent.(256mb fx6200 agp) ps 1.1 pixel shader which i dont follow.

[ichso]

Are you talking about SH3 :o? I run it without any problems on a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ with 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon8600 and 1Gb RAM. It runs very fine, the only things I am concerned with are relatively long loading times and I had to cut down most of the harbour traffic from GWX to make it run smoothly in harbours.

That your CPU is called insufficient may just be a problem with it's 64 bit registers. This shouldn't bother you.
And even IF your CPU wasn't sufficient for SH3, the same programm said that my 1.6GHz wouldn't be enough for the SH3 recommendations but I get constant framerates about 50fps. And if your not playing a 3D shooter, this is way enough ;).

[Von Taticus]

Perhaps you're "underclocking" your processor.

Right click My Computer
click properties
on the next screen it will identify to speed that your processor is running at.
if it's low then you need to adjust your BIOS settings during startup!

[irish1958]

Your specs will run the game fine, except for slow loading time and some slowdown when in port (with harbor traffic enabled) and heavy particle rendering.
If this bothers you too much adjust particle rendering to a lower level in video options, and enable lite harbor traffic.
Sink 'em all!

[XanderF]

And are you sure you don't mean FX 5200 And Sh4? The GeForce 6200 should have no problem with any 'Silent Hunter' title (well, it'll be slow in '4', but still work). The FX 5200 will work with Sh3, too...not so sure about Sh4, though.

In any case, you probably have your power options set to "Minimal Power Management" or something else that allows the system to throttle the CPU down when not in use (AMD called this "Cool 'n Quiet" or "PowerNOW" depending on the CPU brand). No need to disable this, as it will kick up the CPU power for when you are actually playing...but if you DO want to disable it, just open Control Panel, choose "Power Options", and set it to "Home/Office Desk" or "Always On".

(EDIT: Actually, if you WERE talking about Sh3...and did have a GeForce 6200...it's entirely possible the pre-game detection wizard is detecting the card all wrong. I seem to recall it did the same for my Radeon X1950 Pro. Basically, the game was just released too far before the advent of some of these newer cards, and so it doesn't properly report their status. In which case the game should actually work just fine.)

[ABBAFAN]

i adjusted the opwer to always on and nope it says cannot initialize 3d engine in a box on desktop.this is bl dy annoying.i should be able to run this game.

[danlisa]

ABBAFAN, can you download & run Everest Home Edition? http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Then please create a report for your system summary only and paste the report here.

Just the summary wil do, don't need the PCI Debug details.

This will certainly tell us if SH3 is detecting things wrong or whether your system is autoclocking down.

[HunterICX]

Your graphics card is fine
Your CPU is either 2.2 or 2.4Ghz depending on the varient
Should be fine
Have you tried running SH3 ?

How much RAM do you have
1Gb is minimum really
More is better

I have 512 Ram BBW :cool:

running an average FPS of 30-35

[Reece]

ABBAFAN, I agree with Von Taticus, please try this first and post, also follow danlisa' instructions, from these we should be able to help get things going!:yep:
Cheers.

[bigboywooly]

Your graphics card is fine
Your CPU is either 2.2 or 2.4Ghz depending on the varient
Should be fine
Have you tried running SH3 ?

How much RAM do you have
1Gb is minimum really
More is better

I have 512 Ram BBW :cool:

running an average FPS of 30-35

Yeah I know Hunter but more is better
Not saying it wont run because my last rig had 512 ram and ran it

[ABBAFAN]

Field Value
Computer
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name PC2348
User Name Kokkinozis

Motherboard
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64, 2200 MHz (11 x 200) 3400+
Motherboard Name Gigabyte GA-K8VT800 Pro (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8383 Apollo K8T800, AMD Hammer
System Memory 512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (10/22/04)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)

Display
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce 6200 AGP
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 6200 AGP

Multimedia
Audio Adapter VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller

Storage
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive Maxtor 6L300R0 (300 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)
Optical Drive AOPEN DVD1648/AAP PRO (16x/48x DVD-ROM)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions
C: (NTFS) 143086 MB (130530 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 143086 MB (126031 MB free)
Total Size 279.5 GB (250.5 GB free)

Input
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse PS/2 Compatible Mouse
Game Controller Microsoft PC-joystick driver

Network
Network Adapter NETGEAR WG111 802.11g Wireless USB2.0 Adapter (77.97.125.192)
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC

Peripherals
Printer \\RONALSTORES\HPSTORES (file://\\RONALSTORES\HPSTORES)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB2 Controller VIA USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
USB Device NETGEAR WG111 802.11g Wireless USB2.0 Adapter

is this the correct piece?

[ABBAFAN]

bump

[Von Taticus]

Field Value

Motherboard
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64, 2200 MHz (11 x 200) 3400+
...
System Memory 512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)



Your DRAM is rated upto 3200 yet your processor is running @ 3400!

I imaging that the 11x200 the FSB speed and multiplier.
If so that is very slow. with PC3200 DRAM you should be able to get that upto 400.
and then reduce the multipler to approx 5. This should give a procesor clock of 3200.

Your machine should seem faster, more stable and hopefully SH3 will ident the processor correctly.

IMHO:)

[Reece]

The speed is correct (I think), mine is an AMD 64 3700+ running at 2.37Ghz, by default the clock is supposed to be 200mhz but running at 215, the FSB is 407mhz at this setting, your system should work!:-? If it were me I would do:
1) Since you only have 512mb of ram I would make sure you had nothing running in background.
2) A re-install of SHIII.
3) Take a drastic step to make a note of bios settings then set to factory default, save & retest.

[ABBAFAN]

Field Value

Motherboard
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64, 2200 MHz (11 x 200) 3400+
...
System Memory 512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)



Your DRAM is rated upto 3200 yet your processor is running @ 3400!

I imaging that the 11x200 the FSB speed and multiplier.
If so that is very slow. with PC3200 DRAM you should be able to get that upto 400.
and then reduce the multipler to approx 5. This should give a procesor clock of 3200.

Your machine should seem faster, more stable and hopefully SH3 will ident the processor correctly.

IMHO:)




how do i do that?

[danlisa]

Just found this, if it helps:

Once you are in the BIOS, assuming that you have a BIOS that supports overclocking*, you should have access to all of the settings needed to overclock your system. The settings that you will most likely be adjusting are:

Multiplier, FSB, RAM Timings, RAM Speed, and RAM Ratio.

On a very basic level, all you are trying to do is to get the highest FSB x Multiplier formula that you can achieve. The easiest way to do this is to just raise the multiplier, but that will not work on most processors since the multiplier is locked. The next method is to simply raise the FSB. This is pretty self explanatory, and all of the RAM issues that have to be dealt with when raising the FSB will be explained below. Once you've found the speed at which the CPU won't go any faster, you have one more option.

If you really want to push your system to the limit, you can try lowering the multiplier in order to raise the FSB even higher. In order to understand this, imagine that you have a 2.0GHz processor that has a 200MHz FSB and a 10x multiplier. So 200MHz x 10=2.0GHz. Obviously, that equation works, but there are other ways to get to 2.0GHz. You could raise the multiplier to 20 and lower the FSB to 100MHz, or you could raise the FSB to 250MHz and lower the multiplier to 8. Both of those combinations would give you the same 2.0GHz that you started out with. So both of those combinations should give you the same system performance, right?

Full doc link - http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/How-to-overclock-t11177.html

[ABBAFAN]

ill give it a go.is overclocking reversable?

man it shouldnt take all this just to run a game.according to the machine and the game requirements it should run.i wish these things were simpler.im getting tired of computers.:nope:


thanks for the advice :)

[danlisa]

Yes it's reversable. All you are doing is effectively changing values in your bios. Make notes about your changes and if needed you can set them back to the originals. As with all overclocking, urge on the side of caution and progress slowly.

I suspect you are having to do this because your system has autoclocked itself down after a hardware change. That or your hardware is incompatible.:-?

[Reece]

I hope you read this first!:oops:
If you do overclock, the machine may freeze before booting into the bios, if this happens you should have a shorting link on the motherboard to set the bios back to default, otherwise you can remove the small battery, wiat for a half minute then put back in, I have had to do this a couple of times when I pushed the old girl a bit too far!!:lol:

[XanderF]

i adjusted the opwer to always on and nope it says cannot initialize 3d engine in a box on desktop.this is bl dy annoying.i should be able to run this game.

"Cannot initialize 3d engine" is usually a DirectX or driver issue.

Can you run the output from dxdiag.exe, and paste that in a reply, here? Whole thing. That lets us see the driver versions on your various components, as well as DirectX versions.

[ABBAFAN]

Would it be best to sort my fan out first as i am getting heat related crashes lately i think the fan is on the blink.

is this a likely cause of random crashes-shutdowns?

if so wou;ldnt it be best to sort that befor starting overclocking?.

[Reece]

Errr ..... YES!!! :lol: Just do a search on ebay, good place for things like that, I purchased a Heatsink & Fan for my AMD Athlon 64 for $5 + $6 postage, delivered to my door in a few days!!:up:

[ABBAFAN]

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Display Devices
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Display Memory: n/a
Current Mode: 800 x 600 (32 bit) (1Hz)
Monitor:
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Driver Name: vga.dll
Driver Version: 5.01.2600.0000 (English)
DDI Version: unknown
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/4/2004 13:00:00, 9344 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: vga.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/4/2004 13:00:00, 20992 bytes
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Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Not Available
D3D Status: Not Available
AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run







DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The system is using the generic video driver. Please install video driver provided by the hardware manufacturer. DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D functionality not available. You should verify that the driver is a final version from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.


i get the immpression from the last part that the graphics card fitted when i got the compter was not set up correctly.What do people think?

[XanderF]

I'd say that's a "no kidding". You need to make sure you have the latest drivers from ATI (for Radeon video cards) or nVidia (for GeForce cards).

[ABBAFAN]

can i replace the fan without taking the lid of thwe casing?if not is it an easy operation?

[cody6]

Hi Abbafan,been following your saga in attempting to get SH3 up & running.One of my computers has almost the same spec's as yours with the exception of the video card ,mine is a geforce 7800 gtx 256mb & 2gb ddr system ram.I,m a little confused as to which video card your running is it a gf 6200 or a gf 7800?Either way both those cards should be able to run SH3 including GWX V 1.03 if set up properly.I would open the case & check for looose connections & if your video card is properly set & the fan is working.If so I would go to the Nvidia site & download the latest drivers for your card.I noticed your monitor setting is 800x600,I would reset it at 1024x768.One final question do you have any other high graphic content sims? if so do they run ok or is it only SH3 thats giving you problems? :) Cody

[ABBAFAN]

i couldnt run microsoft train sim or sh3 or battle of britian or battle of britian 2
battle of britain actually ran on my lastpc as well.

it seems to be all high graphics games!

[Reece]

First of all set bios to default & test incase overclocking is causing a problem, & get rid of any backgroung running programs, especially since you only have 512mb to play with!:yep:
if there are still problems the 2 most likely things I can see that may be causing the problem:
1) Ram, could be faulty but certainly need 1gb, I would take your old 512 out & replace.
2) Video card may be faulty, have you got another card to test with?
Good luck!

[Dimitrius07]

I have
2.4 (800 mhz) prossecor
p4p 800 deluxe - motherboard
geforce 7600 gs 256 ddr
2 giga ram - dual chanel

The game runs fine ;)

[ABBAFAN]

im going to get onto the people i bought this machine off and see about the fan and the graphics card.might also get the memory upped to something more than 512mb although as far as i knew this was sufficient.

[Reece]

The memory should be enough to run the stock game, just a little jerky at times, unless the ram is faulty, taking the machine back is a good idea, they may be willing to test with another video card etc!
I wish you luck!:yep: