Pakistan more dangerous than Iran?

[Happy Times]

They always "forget" Saudi Arabia.:roll:

http://www.upi.com/International_Intelligence/Briefing/2007/06/14/pakistan_more_dangerous_than_iran/8650/

[The Avon Lady]

They always "forget" Saudi Arabia.:roll:
Saudi Arabia has no nuclear facilities of its own, unlike Iran and Pakistan. Iran is a beligerant regime to begin with and Pakistan's military rule is on shakey ground, to put it mildly.

[Happy Times]

They always "forget" Saudi Arabia.:roll:
Saudi Arabia has no nuclear facilities of its own, unlike Iran and Pakistan. Iran is a beligerant regime to begin with and Pakistan's military rule is on shakey ground, to put it mildly.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031021-112804-8451r.htm

[The Avon Lady]

They always "forget" Saudi Arabia.:roll:
Saudi Arabia has no nuclear facilities of its own, unlike Iran and Pakistan. Iran is a beligerant regime to begin with and Pakistan's military rule is on shakey ground, to put it mildly.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031021-112804-8451r.htm
Which is why Pakistan is still more dangerous than SA. Who will be at the top of the charts in 10 years time is another story.

[Happy Times]

They always "forget" Saudi Arabia.:roll:
Saudi Arabia has no nuclear facilities of its own, unlike Iran and Pakistan. Iran is a beligerant regime to begin with and Pakistan's military rule is on shakey ground, to put it mildly.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031021-112804-8451r.htm
Which is why Pakistan is still more dangerous than SA. Who will be at the top of the charts in 10 years time is another story.

I dont argue that but they are the TOP 3 supporters of Jihad against the rest of the world. One is nuclear and the other two are on their way. No point in waging war in Iraq, Afganistan and Lebanon if the roots arent cut of. Somehow they have to come down, cold or warm but war it is going to be.

[Happy Times]

They are really bidding for the top spot.:up:

Pakistan Minister Says Salman Rushdie's Knighthood Justifies Suicide Attacks

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283835,00.html

[The Avon Lady]

Pakistan Minister Says Salman Rushdie's Knighthood Justifies Suicide Attacks

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283835,00.html
Article missing pic:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5941/11xs2.jpg

[Happy Times]

Those loosers are clearly just jealous.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9104/rushdie2hc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ASWnut101]

Those loosers are clearly just jealous.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9104/rushdie2hc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

God, in every picture I see of him, he's always got that same stance and expression. The one they showed on my local Fox channel almost looked exactly the same as this, only without the (hot) girl.

[Skybird]

"Pakistan more dangerous than Iran? "

Well, I am indicating this since quite some time now, right?

[Happy Times]

Those loosers are clearly just jealous.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9104/rushdie2hc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

God, in every picture I see of him, he's always got that same stance and expression. The one they showed on my local Fox channel almost looked exactly the same as this, only without the (hot) girl.

Its his wife actually.;)

[Happy Times]

"Pakistan more dangerous than Iran? "

Well, I am indicating this since quite some time now, right?

Yes, so have i, not as elegantly as you offcourse.:88)

[Happy Times]

The UK's envoy to Pakistan has expressed "deep concern" over comments by a Pakistani minister about Sir Salman Rushdie's knighthood.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6766569.stm

[ASWnut101]

Those loosers are clearly just jealous.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9104/rushdie2hc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

God, in every picture I see of him, he's always got that same stance and expression. The one they showed on my local Fox channel almost looked exactly the same as this, only without the (hot) girl.

Its his wife actually.;)

I don't care...:cool:

(except for that little "line" running down her arm. What the hell is that?:-? )

[Happy Times]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7222/salmanrushdieqf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:rotfl:

[bradclark1]

Who says money doesn't buy happiness!

[ASWnut101]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7222/salmanrushdieqf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:rotfl:


Nooo!:cry:

Salman Rushdie is going to die...:D

[geetrue]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7222/salmanrushdieqf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:rotfl:


Nooo!:cry:

Salman Rushdie is going to die...:D

The US Airforce should put her on the nose of a B-2 bomber to remind us what were fighting for ... :lol:

[The Avon Lady]

Ahem, children......................................:rol l:

An interesting detour in this commentary (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/19/rushdies-knighthood/) on Rushdie's knighthood, regarding the Queen versus Prince Charles and the possible future (mis)representation of England.

Cheerio!

[Happy Times]

The WW3 is just 5-10 years away.

[Skybird]

14 centuries of ruminating the indigestible remains of a murderous bandit's pseudo-religious self-justification in an attempt to finally find after such a long time at least something of value in it. no wonder that their bellies are hurting when consuming that stuff, so that they start yelling in pain when you just even look at them.

Better advise would have been to take a laxative as long as there was time, do your... business, and then move on and leave it behind. Instead: eternal heartburn, and winds forever. Who cares. :down:

[Happy Times]

14 centuries of ruminating the indigestible remains of a murderous bandit's pseudo-religious self-justification in an attempt to finally find after such a long time at least something of value in it. no wonder that their bellies are hurting when consuming that stuff, so that they start yelling in pain when you just even look at them.

Better advise would have been to take a laxative as long as there was time, do your... business, and then move on and leave it behind. Instead: eternal heartburn, and winds forever. Who cares. :down:

Their yelling and winds are starting to annoy other people.

[Tchocky]

So is Skybirds.

Every Muslim like this, Sky?

[robbo180265]

I really don't understand this knighthood at all(not that I understand most of them).

Unless we were looking to p#ss off the Muslim world why give it?

I'm happy to be corrected by someone here,but as far as I know all this bloke has done is write a book that caused no amount of hassle (I haven't read it , but I've heard that it's pretty boring and difficult to read) causing the British tax payers to pay God alone knows how much,to protect him.

Is Tony Blair that stupid? - Wait a minute - Iraq? Yeah he must be that stupid.

Thanks Tone, for once again making England a more dangerous place to live in:down:

[Happy Times]

So is Skybirds.

Every Muslim like this, Sky?

Most will never accept us, i honestly feel that and im not happy about it. The ignorant and militant are the majority in most countries. The ones i know are so secular that they cant be called muslims, nothing against them.:rotfl:

[geetrue]

I had to go to wikipedia.com just to find out who you were talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie

I didn't really care who Rushdie was or is, but my what a stunning wife he has.

Seems I've been missing her shows on the cooking channel:

Milan Rushdie. Since 2004, he has been married to the Indian actress and model Padma Lakshmi, the host of the American reality-television show Top Chef.
What a funny name for someone the Muslims are mad at ... this guy has been in hiding since 1988 and just recently stepped out in faith that his money can protect him (I suspect)

[Happy Times]

I really don't understand this knighthood at all(not that I understand most of them).

Unless we were looking to p#ss off the Muslim world why give it?

I'm happy to be corrected by someone here,but as far as I know all this bloke has done is write a book that caused no amount of hassle (I haven't read it , but I've heard that it's pretty boring and difficult to read) causing the British tax payers to pay God alone knows how much,to protect him.

Is Tony Blair that stupid? - Wait a minute - Iraq? Yeah he must be that stupid.

Thanks Tone, for once again making England a dangerous place to live in:down:

Are you serious?! Your country gives an honorary title to whom it wants, you dont listen to some maniacs living in the middle ages. Ive allways tought the Brits are tough, when someone gives them this kinda shait. And im sure he deserved it as much as hundreds of others who get the honor.

Awards that Rushdie has won include the following:

Booker Prize for Fiction
James Tait Black Memorial Prize (Fiction)
Arts Council Writers' Award
English-Speaking Union Award
Booker of Bookers or the best novel among the Booker Prize winners for Fiction
Prix du Meilleur Livre Etranger
Whitbread Novel Award (twice)
Writers' Guild of Great Britain Award for Children's Fiction
Kurt Tucholsky Prize (Sweden)
Prix Colette (Switzerland)
State Prize for Literature (Austria)
Author of the Year (British Book Awards)
Author of the Year (Germany)
Mantua Prize (Italy)
Premio Grinzane Cavour (Italy)
Hutch Crossword Fiction Prize (India)
India Abroad Lifetime Achievement Award (USA)
Outstanding Lifetime Achievement in Cultural Humanism (Harvard University)
Aristeion Prize (European Union)

[robbo180265]

I really don't understand this knighthood at all(not that I understand most of them).

Unless we were looking to p#ss off the Muslim world why give it?

I'm happy to be corrected by someone here,but as far as I know all this bloke has done is write a book that caused no amount of hassle (I haven't read it , but I've heard that it's pretty boring and difficult to read) causing the British tax payers to pay God alone knows how much,to protect him.

Is Tony Blair that stupid? - Wait a minute - Iraq? Yeah he must be that stupid.

Thanks Tone, for once again making England a dangerous place to live in:down:

Are you serious?! Your country gives an honorary title to whom it wants, you dont listen to some maniacs living in the middle ages. Ive allways tought the Brits are tough, when someone gives them this kinda shait. And im sure he deserved it as much as hundreds of others who get the honor.

Awards that Rushdie has won include the following:

Booker Prize for Fiction
James Tait Black Memorial Prize (Fiction)
Arts Council Writers' Award
English-Speaking Union Award
Booker of Bookers or the best novel among the Booker Prize winners for Fiction
Prix du Meilleur Livre Etranger
Whitbread Novel Award (twice)
Writers' Guild of Great Britain Award for Children's Fiction
Kurt Tucholsky Prize (Sweden)
Prix Colette (Switzerland)
State Prize for Literature (Austria)
Author of the Year (British Book Awards)
Author of the Year (Germany)
Mantua Prize (Italy)
Premio Grinzane Cavour (Italy)
Hutch Crossword Fiction Prize (India)
India Abroad Lifetime Achievement Award (USA)
Outstanding Lifetime Achievement in Cultural Humanism (Harvard University)
Aristeion Prize (European Union)

I stand corrected - Ta:D

[Tchocky]

Robbo, I personally don't like Rushdie's work. That's the only reason I disagree with the award.

We shouldn't take the opinions of those who would kill over this kind of thing.

Kind of like saying "if we withdraw, the terrorists will have a victory"

[robbo180265]

Robbo, I personally don't like Rushdie's work. That's the only reason I disagree with the award.

We shouldn't take the opinions of those who would kill over this kind of thing.

Kind of like saying "if we withdraw, the terrorists will have a victory"

See above - I didn't know, I really didn't. And now everybody else does too;)

[Happy Times]

Robbo, I personally don't like Rushdie's work. That's the only reason I disagree with the award.

We shouldn't take the opinions of those who would kill over this kind of thing.

Kind of like saying "if we withdraw, the terrorists will have a victory"

See above - I didn't know, I really didn't. And now everybody else does too;)

They will not stop demanding and there will be no reasoning with them.;)

[P_Funk]

What a funny name for someone the Muslims are mad at ... this guy has been in hiding since 1988 and just recently stepped out in faith that his money can protect him (I suspect)
He hasn't been hiding the whole time. What happened was when he didn't die he started to just live his life and basically its understood that the fatwah is null at the moment since nobody seems to have gone very far in pursuing it. He isn't hiding behind money. He's not one of those types. His books are interesting and very rich in cultural influences and very complex characters. The Satanic Verses got him in trouble with the Muslims for the same reason the Danish cartoons were controlversial: much of the orthodoxy didn't like the interpretation of Islam.

That aside he deserves the knighthood for being such a brilliant author. He's better than half the bozos who get knighted anyway.

[Ishmael]

I have The Satanic Verses and have read Midnight's Children and some of his other works. But the thing I most remembered that he wrote was about the boundaries of cultures and how it was in this area of cultural overlap that "newness" enters the world. So kudos to Sir Salman. Regarding Pakistan. With Waziristan and the Pushtun lands of the Northwest Frontier a defacto safe haven for Taliban & al-Qaeda, The ISI links to the aforementioned and opium smugglers, the increasing militancy of Islamists in Pakistan and their progress at the ballot box, we could be seeing the rise of a freely elected Islamist government with nuclear weapons sooner than we think.

[Skybird]

So is Skybirds.

Every Muslim like this, Sky?

What is wrong with taking a person by his words? Or judging him by the ideas he follows?

[Skybird]

Most will never accept us, i honestly feel that and im not happy about it. The ignorant and militant are the majority in most countries. The ones i know are so secular that they cant be called muslims, nothing against them.:rotfl:
Yep. Something like a secular Islam (the euro-Islam Brussel hopes for if only corrupting Muslims long enough by exposing them to western living style :) )) is impossible to be acchieved with Muhammad's Islam. You can't be secular and truly Islamic at the same time. See the raising tensions in Turkey, the conflict between the secular "burgeois" elite, and the conservative majority of the simple people and the population in the rural areas. What you see there is the braking-lose of an inner conflicting contradiction that have been surpressed by force since decades. You could also mention Marocco. Algeria. Somalia. Egypt. Saudi-Arabia. Pakistan. Iran.

Integration? As a matter of fact in Germany, Holland, france, England you maike exactly the opposite observation: in all these countries, especially the third generation of Muslim immigrants tend to be far more orthodox and in favour of conservativism than their parents of the first generation. Euro-Islam simply is a myth, it either is Islam - or non-Islam. It cannot be any different, because Muhammad designed this system exactly with this goal in mind: preventing weaknesses to fall for other ideas, in order to persevere his power, and prevent his followers from leaving him and his claim for leadership alone. Every totalitarian ideology tries that. The lacking tolerance for other groups, cultures, ideas, religions, is owed to this attempt of keeping Islam's power united and intact, and to prevent that others could be seen as worthy enough not to attack and subjugate them. Raising artifical concepts of enemies one needs to defeat! That'S why even the idea of seeing certain people as dhimmis - is only a system of systematic discrimination that leaves the dhimmis nevertheless open for exploitation, concerning their skills and knowledge, for example, and calling this discrimination and exploitation "protection". In Grenada, for example, massive use was made of this: the myth of the well-meaning Islamic rulers (in fact some of the most brutal and opppressive of their time) saving ancient Greek and christian scriptures that otherwise would have gone lost. The real history is a bit different: the Islamic rulers were asked to alloow that these things may be saved, and copied, and they allowed it. That essentially is all. The knowledge contained in this treasure of arts, philosophy and theology payed off for the islamic rulers in improving their administrative skills and finance management, for example. Altruism and friendly attitude had nothing to do with it, and the effort to save those scripts had to be conducted by the Jews and Christians themselves anyway. They also payed for the resulting costs. so here you have the story of how much europe owes islam for having saved it's heritage: it was self-interest, with Islam taking the cream, but not contributing much more to the effort than giving permission to start the work. the service of Islam is that it refrained from preventing the dhimmis to save some of their cultural heritage - and this today has grown to this monumental myth of how very much europe owes to Islam for actively having saved it's cultural basis and traditon.

Is somebody already a noble gentleman just because he refrains from keep on kicking somebody he already has thrown down to the ground in an act of agression?

[Takeda Shingen]

Enough anti-Muslim sentiment for now. Let's talk about something else for awhile.