The unloved knight

[Skybird]

First this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6756149.stm

And as sure as the sun going down at the end of the day, the reaction, exactly as forseen: contempt! Insult! "How dare you to disrespect our wonderful sentence!"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6760927.stm

All we should have to say to them is "WDYJFO?"

[The Avon Lady]

Rushdie's (what's in a name? :roll: ) had some close shaves. One more wouldn't hurt (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413666,00.html). :D

UPDATE: Reciprocity: The Unloved Queen (http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2104119,00.html).

[Hitman]

"The measure that has taken place for paying tribute to this apostate and detested figure will definitely put British statesmen and officials at odds with Islamic societies, the emotions and sentiments of which have again been provoked."

Hmmmmm so the measure of sentencing someone to death for his books shouldn't have put the islamic societies at odds with british statemen and officials?

IIRC the Fatwa was something like "shoot on sight" or "kill him wherever you find him", meaning any muslim was asked to kill Rushdie even in UK territory :hmm: Aside from any other consideration (Moral, religious...), that's pure and simply an intromision in International Laws system, as one state is incitating to kill against the laws enforced in the territory of another. More or less something similar as if the UK government asked any british residents in Iran to burn books of Quran :dead:

[The Avon Lady]

Rushdie and Queenie, move over. I think this might be the next big thing (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/for-mohammedan-free-denmark.html). :shifty:

Those Danes! What a riot! :doh:

[P_Funk]

Those Danes! What a riot! :doh:
Oh yea. A cute satire of muhammed got the Islamic world howling at the moon, so obviously burning an image of him is gonna make them calm down and go away.

Some one oughtta smack them danes in the head.

[The Avon Lady]

Those Danes! What a riot! :doh:
Oh yea. A cute satire of muhammed got the Islamic world howling at the moon, so obviously burning an image of him is gonna make them calm down and go away.
For a week already, there have been days and days of raging Muslims burning effigies of Rushdie, the queen and what not. And only now you pipe up at a single incident with a handful of Danes?!

Ah, but that was part of the point. Thanks for replying.
Some one oughtta smack them danes in the head.
Actually, someone ought to smack the rest of the world in the head. Many Danes have got it right.

[Skybird]

Henryk Broder, I mentioned him in earlier threads, has been awarded a publication or journalism award for his stand against Islam just days ago. While Muhammedans are deepoly offended as usual, many reasonable and tolerant Germans voiced their concerns about this incompetent decison and the risks of provocing a most peaceful religion to turn violant, and the hindering this lack of tolerance means for the integration of those who have refused to integrate since three generations.

This is what the man had to say in his speech - sometimes humorous, sometimes biting, always to the point, as always! :up:
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,druck-490497,00.html

[P_Funk]

Those Danes! What a riot! :doh: Oh yea. A cute satire of muhammed got the Islamic world howling at the moon, so obviously burning an image of him is gonna make them calm down and go away. For a week already, there have been days and days of raging Muslims burning effigies of Rushdie, the queen and what not. And only now you pipe up at a single incident with a handful of Danes?!

Ah, but that was part of the point. Thanks for replying.
Some one oughtta smack them danes in the head. Actually, someone ought to smack the rest of the world in the head. Many Danes have got it right.
So what? Islam is bad, they are crazy and burn images of Western leaders and figures. But Danes are good, cause burning an image of Muhammed is constructive and creating another point of contention is just going to improve things.

I think Islamic cultures that go crazy over these events are completely irrational, but us doing the same thing back is hardly the answer. If you have a Lion in your house you don't poke him in the eye and taunt him. Theres the act of not being apologists and then theres unnecessesary provocation.

[Happy Times]

Those Danes! What a riot! :doh: Oh yea. A cute satire of muhammed got the Islamic world howling at the moon, so obviously burning an image of him is gonna make them calm down and go away. For a week already, there have been days and days of raging Muslims burning effigies of Rushdie, the queen and what not. And only now you pipe up at a single incident with a handful of Danes?!

Ah, but that was part of the point. Thanks for replying.
Some one oughtta smack them danes in the head. Actually, someone ought to smack the rest of the world in the head. Many Danes have got it right.
So what? Islam is bad, they are crazy and burn images of Western leaders and figures. But Danes are good, cause burning an image of Muhammed is constructive and creating another point of contention is just going to improve things.

I think Islamic cultures that go crazy over these events are completely irrational, but us doing the same thing back is hardly the answer. If you have a Lion in your house you don't poke him in the eye and taunt him. Theres the act of not being apologists and then theres unnecessesary provocation.

The only solution is to stop kissing up to them and fight if that is what they want.
We will win anyway so whats the big deal.

[Skybird]

Provocation? That inlcudes a sufficiently great ammount of insult, and intention.

The British have every right there is to act as British, in the british nation, on the rbitish isles, in the european realm and the Christian occident, according to british laws, rules, habits and traditions.

and if somebody is insulted by that, because of a hysteric row of ver a book that back then almost none of the hysterics has reed himself, so that he knows what he was yelling about, then thios does not mean the the feeling of being insulted is justified and the provocation fulfilles the above condtions: it could also mean that the offended is a hyper-sensitive narcissistic neurotic person who has no balance and no reason.

that is one of the problems with the mindset that Islam is teaching and causing: on the one hand it says that one is peaceful as long as not being attacked, on the other hand the threshold level beyond which tolerance turns into hysteria and aggression is so ridiculously low that every move of the small finger, every syllable, ever blink with your eyelid already makes it yell: "I'm under attack, this gesture, this syllable, this blinking, is done in a way that Muhammad has not taught! Offense! Shame! Revenge! How dare you to attack us so intolerantly!"

What is next, Broder asks? Forbidding pork meat in europe? no more school foir gilrs? No lessons in sport and swimming? what must we not do anymore to make islam stop feeling insulted?


Wir werden täglich aufgerufen, für alle möglichen Fundamentalismen und Fanatismen Verständnis zu haben und Toleranz zu praktizieren, Vorleistungen zu erbringen, ohne Gegenleistungen zu erwarten. Ein deutscher Nobelpreisträger hat den Vorschlag gemacht, eine Kirche in eine Moschee umzuwidmen, als GoodwillGeste den Muslimen gegenüber. Bis jetzt warten wir vergeblich auf den Vorschlag eines islamischen Intellektuellen, eine Moschee in eine Kirche umzuwandeln, denn so eine Idee, öffentlich geäußert, könnte ihn sein Leben kosten. So wie es einen afghanischen Muslim fast das Leben kostete, als er zum Christentum konvertierte. Er entging der Todesstrafe nur dadurch, dass er für verrückt erklärt wurde, nachdem sich Politiker von Angela Merkel bis Kofi Annan seiner angenommen hatten.
Toleranz steht auf dem Paravent, hinter dem sich Bequemlichkeit, Faulheit und Feigheit verstecken. Toleranz ist die preiswerte Alternative zum aufrechten Gang, der zwar gepredigt, aber nicht praktiziert wird.
Wer heute die Werte der Aufklärung verteidigen will, der muss intolerant sein, der muss Grenzen ziehen und darauf bestehen, dass sie nicht überschritten werden. Der darf "Ehrenmorde" und andere Kleinigkeiten nicht mit dem "kulturellen Hintergrund" der Täter verklären und den Tugendterror religiöser Fanatiker, die Sechzehnjährige wegen unkeuschen Lebenswandels hängen, nicht zur Privatangelegenheit einer anderen Rechtskultur degradieren, die man respektieren müsse, weil es inzwischen als unfein gilt, die Tatsache anzusprechen, dass nicht alle Kulturen gleich und gleichwertig sind.
Wer sich zur selektiven Intoleranz bekennt, der wird auch darauf achten, nicht in die Falle der Äquidistanz und des Relativismus zu tappen. Inzwischen kann man auf jeder Tupperware-Party Punkte sammeln, wenn man nur erklärt, George Bush und Osama Bin Laden seien aus demselben Holz geschnitzt, die Zahl der Menschen, die bei Terroranschlägen ums Leben kommen, sei viel kleiner als die Zahl der Verkehrstoten, und die christlichen Kreuzfahrer hätten viel mehr Blut vergossen als die islamischen Terroristen heute. So kann man sich aus der Wirklichkeit schleichen, aber man entkommt ihr nicht. Ich wäre nicht überrascht, wenn demnächst eine Kannibalen-Selbsthilfegruppe ihre Anerkennung als Alternative zur vegetarischen Lebensweise fordern würde, zeichnen sich doch beide durch eine gewisse Einseitigkeit aus.
Vor kurzem hat ein Berliner Verwaltungsgericht zugunsten einer politischen Gruppe entschieden, die zu einer Anti-Kriegs-Demonstration aufgerufen hatte. Der Berliner Polizeipräsident hatte den Veranstaltern untersagt, bei der Demo Fahnen und andere Symbole der Hisbollah zu führen. Die Demonstranten aber fühlten sich eines Grundrechts beraubt und riefen das Gericht an. Das entschied, die Hisbollah sei Partei in einem bewaffneten Konflikt, bei dem man sowohl die eine wie die andere Seite unterstützen könne. Und so werden die Kinder und Enkel der Judenmörder von gestern demnächst unter der Fahne der Judenmörder von morgen für eine gerechte Endlösung der Nahost-Frage demonstrieren.

Translation:

each day we get called to have understanding for all possible fundamentalisms and fanatisms, and to practice tolerance, to adduce prior concessions, and to never expect aqny services in return. A german nobel prize winner just suggested to chnage a chruch into a mosque, as a gesture of showing goodwill towards Muslims. but until now we wait in vain for the suggestion of a Muslim cleric to chnage a mosque into a church in return, and that idea easily could cost him his life anyway. Like it almost costed an Afghan Muslim his life to convert to christian relgiion. He escaped death penalty only by being diagnosed to be insane, after Merkel and kofi Annan intervened in his favour.

Tolerance is written on the poster behind which comfort, laziness and cowardice are hiding. tolerance is the cheap alternative to walking upright with one's head held high, that although being preached is only seldomly practiced.
Whoever wants to defend the values of the enlightenement, must be intolerant today, and must draw red lines and insist on these lines not being stepped over. He may not excuse honour murderings and other trivial matters with the cultural background of the perpetrators, and he may not degrade the terror by virtues of religious fanatics, who hang 16 year old for "unchaste living", to a private issue of a foreign juristical culture that is to be respected because meanwhile it is considered to be bad manners to say out that not all cultures are the same, and are not of equal quality.
Who confesses to selective tolerance will tace care not to fall into the trap of "equi-distance" und relativism. Meanwhile you can collect points on every Tupperware-party by claiming that George Bush and Osama Bin Laden are made of the same stuff, the number of people getting killed in terror attacks are lower bthan the number of people getting killed in public traffic, and the chistian crusaders shed more blood than the Islamic terrorists today. That way, you can sneak out of reality, but you still can't escape it. I wouldn't be surprised if next time a self-supporting group of cannibals would demand their recognition as a valid alternative to vegetarian life, becasue both are characterized by a certain one-sidedness.
short while ago, a Berlin court ruled in favour of a group that is campaigning for an anti-war-demonstration. the president of the police had forbidden to show flags and symbols of Hezbollah. Protesters felt being forbidden to practice their basic rights, and called the court. The court said hezbollah were a war party in a conflict in which one could support either the one or the other side. and thus, the children and grandchildren of the Jewslaughterers of the past will demonstrate under the banner of the Jewslaughterers of the future for a just Endlösung of the Middle East question.

If I am bored during the week, I may be tempted to translate the whole speech. It sinks so very damn many arrows into the bullseye, like he already did in his book.

[The Avon Lady]

What is next, Broder asks? Forbidding pork meat in europe? no more school foir gilrs? No lessons in sport and swimming? what must we not do anymore to make islam stop feeling insulted?
Not just Europe (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017112.php). :nope:

[Happy Times]

PM on the way.

The Management

[Heibges]

What is the minimum you have usually have to do in England to qualify for a knighthood? I know Jagger and Ringo both have one.

It doesn't seem that Rushdie has a huge body of work as a novelist?

I hope it is a derserving honor, and not just given out because of the current political climate.

I think Pasternak with "Dr. Zhivago" is totally undeserving of the honors won, and benefited greatly from when it was released. I agree with Nabokov when he said something like it was the worst book ever written in any language.

[The Avon Lady]

PM on the way.

The Management
He had to let go of the Lego. :D

[Heibges]

PM on the way.

The Management
He had to let go of the Lego. :D

Now he won't have to.:lol:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/legos/lego-mmo-revealed-241626.php

[yankee-V]

and if somebody is insulted by that, because of a hysteric row of ver a book that back then almost none of the hysterics has reed himself, so that he knows what he was yelling about,



Actualllyyy....

(I can't find a citation for this old story at the moment, but will keep looking)

During the Iran/Iraq war a bomb exploded in Tehran, if I recall correctly, damaging a warehouse. The emergency workers and civilians responding were surprised to find floating in the air, guess what...? Yes thousands of pages from the Satanic Verses. The good people were outraged until they discovered that... The warehouse was being used by the Iranian clergy, the top mullahs in fact, and these were their copies of the SV. Seems they had had a very large special edition run for themselves, for reseach purposes only, of course. An additional problem was that I think these were illegally printed copies. Of course.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Not that they're hippocrites or anything like that.

[Heibges]

and if somebody is insulted by that, because of a hysteric row of ver a book that back then almost none of the hysterics has reed himself, so that he knows what he was yelling about,



Actualllyyy....

(I can't find a citation for this old story at the moment, but will keep looking)

During the Iran/Iraq war a bomb exploded in Tehran, if I recall correctly, damaging a warehouse. The emergency workers and civilians responding were surprised to find floating in the air, guess what...? Yes thousands of pages from the Satanic Verses. The good people were outraged until they discovered that... The warehouse was being used by the Iranian clergy, the top mullahs in fact, and these were their copies of the SV. Seems they had had a very large special edition run for themselves, for reseach purposes only, of course. An additional problem was that I think these were illegally printed copies. Of course.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Not that they're hippocrites or anything like that.

It sounds a little like "The Handmaiden's Tale" or "Logan's Run".