Renown Points

[Shmidt]

Hello everyone

I am new to subsims and I like SH3 very much.
How are the renown points worked out?
Is it a % of the total tonnage or do each type of ship have a set points value?
I have been on a few missions where I have sunk mostly destroyers and had less ponits than if I have sunk mostly cargo ships?
Also I have the game straight from the box what should i patch it up to?
Thank you

[abel29a]

Welcome to the forums.

Renown is awarded according to a set value, thus a warship of 5000 tons is worth more points than a freighter of 5000. (There is a list of renown points floating around the forums somewhere.)

Also, your level of realism affects the renown, so playing at lower realism gives you less renown for sunk ships.

Patch to version 1.4b if it's not already at that level out of the box,and start looking at the supermods right away as they really make the game shine. (GWX is my personal favourite.)

[ichso]

Hi,
at first: Welcome to the board.
The renown points are measured by a few things. I don't know whether the total patrol tonnage counts or every ship for itself, which would include it's type.
Some things you get renown for are:
- sinking enemy ships
- reaching your patrol area
- patrolling your patrol area (for 24h)
- docking your boat at your home base, which means that you have to get into a
30km radius of this base and end your patrol there (It's more fun to get your boat
into the dock/bunker yourself though ;))
But you can also lose renown for sinking neutral or friendly :o ships for example.

Your other question:
You should definitely patch the game up to version 1.4b. After doing that there are many cool and free mods you can download and use.
GWX would be a good start ;). It makes a whole new (and better) game out of SH3.
The "6_dials_nygm22" mod is really stylish and practical too, wouldn't miss that one.
At best you look into the mods section of the board.

So far, have fun :sunny:

EDIT: Too slow :> The difficulty settings are quite important to the renown earned though.

[Sebbe02]

Welcome

like they said: you should really try GWX (put patch the stock version first!) and then patch GWX too.

More important than how much renown is: how much trouble for how much renown?:D
For example: many don't find small ships like tug boats, small merchants and such worth a torpedo, and save their torps for the big targets (if they can find any). But that's something you have to decide and experience for your own.

Good hunting!!

[Shmidt]

Thank you for your help.
I have tried some of the mods for the torps and smoke and they are kool.
thank's again.

[danurve]

Shmidt welcome to the addiction!

Im presuming you have gone through a carrer in the stock game, it's the best way to know what you gain before you try any supermod. 1.4 is the current patch, there where different releases of the game (dvd-d/l) make sure you obtain the right one.
When you have a little time take a look at the information in the Community manual, use the list, search function usually brings you to the page or at least a list.

[Sebbe02]

I've noticed that GWX changes some of the tonnages of merchants. Does GWX change renown too? And what about the new ships?

[_Seth_]

welcome, matey!:up::up:

[Puster Bill]

You get like 10,000 points for sinking a hospital ship, and a lot of attention from FdU/BdU.

[Brag]

Welcome aboard this nest of ruffians.
Don't sink, neutrals, hospitals or our own ships. Sink as many ships as you can and stay out of shallow water.
GWX is the way to go, but you may want to practice a bit with the stock version.

Good hunting

[azn_132]

Welcome aboard this nest of ruffians.
Don't sink, neutrals, hospitals or our own ships. Sink as many ships as you can and stay out of shallow water.
GWX is the way to go, but you may want to practice a bit with the stock version.

Good hunting

Dont forget, Stay out the Channel too.

[TarJak]

have a look here for some assistance:

http://www.mysh3.info/shiii/index.php/Renown

[looney]

Is there a list for all the merchants in GWX or should I guess them from the WIKI list?

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Is there a list for all the merchants in GWX or should I guess them from the WIKI list?

Read the GWX manual included with your installation.

[Packerton]

Dont shoot Hospital ships if you dont want to have an early retirement! :rotfl:

[looney]

Whell I browsed the manual again and I couldn't find a new list for renown gained / killed ship. I'll look into it some more tonight

[Jimbuna]

Welcome aboard Kaleun Shmidt :arrgh!:

The renown values in the Wiki aren't a million miles out. However, you must also take into account the fact that additional ships, planes etc. have since been added to GWX :up:

Warships

King George Battleship = 1500
Nelson Battleship = 1400
Revenge Battleship = 1100
Illustrious Carrier = 900
Hipper Carrier = 760
Bogue Carrier = 560
Casablanca Carrier = 420
AuxiliaryCruiser = 420
Fiji Class Cruiser = 430
Dido Class Cruiser = 225
Fletcher Destroyer = 150
Somers Destroyer = 140
Tribal Destroyer = 140
C & D Destroyer = 130
J Class Destroyer = 130
Soldati Destroyer = 130
Buckley Class Destroyer = 130
J.C. Butler Class Destroyer = 130
River Class Destroyer Escort = 130
Black Swan Frigate = 125
Evarts Destroyer = 120
Clemson Destroyer = 120
Hunt I Destroyer = 120
Hunt II Destroyer = 120
Hunt III Destroyer = 120
V&W Class Destroyer = 120
Flower Corvette = 120
Armed Trawler = 30
Elco Torpedoboat = 20Merchants

Passenger Liner = 870
Troop Transport = 390
T3 Tanker = 340
T2 Tanker = 320
C3 Cargo = 240
Victory Cargo = 230
Liberty Cargo = 220
Landing Ship Tank = 220
C2 Cargo = 190
Small Tanker = 125
Small Merchant = 70
Coastal Merchant = 60
TugBoat = 30
Trawler = 20
Small Coastal Vessel = 20
Fishingboat = 20[edit (http://www.mysh3.info/shiii/index.php?title=Renown&action=edit&section=5)]
Renown per aeroplane

Fighters

Hurricane = 20Bombers

B24 = 100
Wellington = 70
Sunderland = 70
PBY = 70
Avenger = 50
Swordfish = 20

[Spruence M]

Welcome aboard Kaleun Shmidt :arrgh!:

The renown values in the Wiki aren't a million miles out. However, you must also take into account the fact that additional ships, planes etc. have since been added to GWX :up:

Warships

King George Battleship = 1500
Nelson Battleship = 1400
Revenge Battleship = 1100
Illustrious Carrier = 900
Hipper Carrier = 760
Bogue Carrier = 560
Casablanca Carrier = 420
AuxiliaryCruiser = 420
Fiji Class Cruiser = 430
Dido Class Cruiser = 225
Fletcher Destroyer = 150
Somers Destroyer = 140
Tribal Destroyer = 140
C & D Destroyer = 130
J Class Destroyer = 130
Soldati Destroyer = 130
Buckley Class Destroyer = 130
J.C. Butler Class Destroyer = 130
River Class Destroyer Escort = 130
Black Swan Frigate = 125
Evarts Destroyer = 120
Clemson Destroyer = 120
Hunt I Destroyer = 120
Hunt II Destroyer = 120
Hunt III Destroyer = 120
V&W Class Destroyer = 120
Flower Corvette = 120
Armed Trawler = 30
Elco Torpedoboat = 20Merchants

Passenger Liner = 870
Troop Transport = 390
T3 Tanker = 340
T2 Tanker = 320
C3 Cargo = 240
Victory Cargo = 230
Liberty Cargo = 220
Landing Ship Tank = 220
C2 Cargo = 190
Small Tanker = 125
Small Merchant = 70
Coastal Merchant = 60
TugBoat = 30
Trawler = 20
Small Coastal Vessel = 20
Fishingboat = 20[edit (http://www.mysh3.info/shiii/index.php?title=Renown&action=edit&section=5)]
Renown per aeroplane

Fighters

Hurricane = 20Bombers

B24 = 100
Wellington = 70
Sunderland = 70
PBY = 70
Avenger = 50
Swordfish = 20

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.

[papa_smurf]

Welcome aboard matey:up:

For tips on how to survive GWX, theres plently of stuff on this forum. But if all that fails, i have one simple word for you:

ALARM!!!!!!

(Or just blame Bernard- everyone else does)

[minute]

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.
I find it more reasonable - the British Carriers were not raising the same threat as the American ones did in the Pacific. Even the Illustrious was carrying mosly Swordfish biplanes that were not as dangerous as modern aircraft... They did help to sink the Bismark but it still took the old battleships to seal the deal.

[Jimbuna]

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.
I find it more reasonable - the British Carriers were not raising the same threat as the American ones did in the Pacific. Even the Illustrious was carrying mosly Swordfish biplanes that were not as dangerous as modern aircraft... They did help to sink the Bismark but it still took the old battleships to seal the deal.

Aircraft and 'Jeep' Carriers often shadowed the convoys headed north to Russia. Disembarking vitally needed fighters to Russia, Gibraltar, Malta, North Africa etc. It was due mainly for that reason that Hitler would not allow his heavy units out into the Atlantic for fear of them being damaged or sunk.

The effect/impact carriers had in the Pacific is well documented (and rightly so). But do not underestimate the contribution made by their lesser/unsung British cousins.

[minute]

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.
I find it more reasonable - the British Carriers were not raising the same threat as the American ones did in the Pacific. Even the Illustrious was carrying mosly Swordfish biplanes that were not as dangerous as modern aircraft... They did help to sink the Bismark but it still took the old battleships to seal the deal.
Aircraft and 'Jeep' Carriers often shadowed the convoys headed north to Russia. Disembarking vitally needed fighters to Russia, Gibraltar, Malta, North Africa etc. It was due mainly for that reason that Hitler would not allow his heavy units out into the Atlantic for fear of them being damaged or sunk.

The effect/impact carriers had in the Pacific is well documented (and rightly so). But do not underestimate the contribution made by their lesser/unsung British cousins.
I didn't meant to underestimate them, they were very important ships, no doubt about that. I was just commenting on the SHIII renown values, thinking that they had (IMHO) less obvious (at that time) firepower than a battleship. I wonder, if a kaleun had a choice of firing his torps either at on battleship or a Bogue carrier, which one he would have gone for?

[Spruence M]

Considering the German mental state. I have no idea which they would shoot for.

I always thought carriers were more important, my naval education began in the pacific.

Seems like even after the advent of radar, carriers would have been able to see farther and faster than any other surface vessel and therefore would get every eel available too me.

[Jimbuna]

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.
I find it more reasonable - the British Carriers were not raising the same threat as the American ones did in the Pacific. Even the Illustrious was carrying mosly Swordfish biplanes that were not as dangerous as modern aircraft... They did help to sink the Bismark but it still took the old battleships to seal the deal.
Aircraft and 'Jeep' Carriers often shadowed the convoys headed north to Russia. Disembarking vitally needed fighters to Russia, Gibraltar, Malta, North Africa etc. It was due mainly for that reason that Hitler would not allow his heavy units out into the Atlantic for fear of them being damaged or sunk.

The effect/impact carriers had in the Pacific is well documented (and rightly so). But do not underestimate the contribution made by their lesser/unsung British cousins.
I didn't meant to underestimate them, they were very important ships, no doubt about that. I was just commenting on the SHIII renown values, thinking that they had (IMHO) less obvious (at that time) firepower than a battleship. I wonder, if a kaleun had a choice of firing his torps either at on battleship or a Bogue carrier, which one he would have gone for?

With reference to personal firepower your absolutely correct :yep: But try to imagine the firepower they could project via their airwing and I believe that would be far greater :yep:
As for which one to go for....purely hypothetical and probably never been tested in RL conditions :hmm: ....I'd go for the shot that had the best chance of success ;)

[Spruence M]

Seems to me that aircraft carriers should be worth more than a battleship. I understand the German mentality about it, but they were the most dangerous things on the high seas.
I find it more reasonable - the British Carriers were not raising the same threat as the American ones did in the Pacific. Even the Illustrious was carrying mosly Swordfish biplanes that were not as dangerous as modern aircraft... They did help to sink the Bismark but it still took the old battleships to seal the deal.
Aircraft and 'Jeep' Carriers often shadowed the convoys headed north to Russia. Disembarking vitally needed fighters to Russia, Gibraltar, Malta, North Africa etc. It was due mainly for that reason that Hitler would not allow his heavy units out into the Atlantic for fear of them being damaged or sunk.

The effect/impact carriers had in the Pacific is well documented (and rightly so). But do not underestimate the contribution made by their lesser/unsung British cousins.
I didn't meant to underestimate them, they were very important ships, no doubt about that. I was just commenting on the SHIII renown values, thinking that they had (IMHO) less obvious (at that time) firepower than a battleship. I wonder, if a kaleun had a choice of firing his torps either at on battleship or a Bogue carrier, which one he would have gone for?

With reference to personal firepower your absolutely correct :yep: But try to imagine the firepower they could project via their airwing and I believe that would be far greater :yep:
As for which one to go for....purely hypothetical and probably never been tested in RL conditions :hmm: ....I'd go for the shot that had the best chance of success ;)

Well, I think thats a no brainer.