installed or uninstalled? actively playing? plans?

[minsc_tdp]

I'm curious who has it installed, or uninstalled, actively playing or actively waiting, etc. Personally, I have it installed but never play, waiting for 1.3.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

yup, playin upwards of 10hrs on my night's off and a 2-3 when i'm not and don't have to ber there before 2000hrs. infact, last night i sank 3 DDs and a transport, all within 500yrds range:ping:. wasn't easy either:smug:

[CCIP]

I don't have it installed, but mostly because I didn't get around to it since my broken PC was restored last week, and I decided to revisit SHIII and get back into the WaW campaign for it. Otherwise it will be on soon enough with a slightly-customized version of RFB on it. 1.3 will be nice, but I'm not waiting on it specifically to play. In fact I might not play for a while when 1.3 is out, to wait for mods to catch up and help convert some of them to 1.3 standard perhaps.

[V.C. Sniper]

Installed and happily playing.

[GT182]

You need to add "Installed, playing but also waiting for 1.3 & beyond".

Not all of us are happily playing but are playing just the same and waiting. :yep:

[orangenee]

Mines actually stopped playing lately got bored and waiting until 1.3 and even then might not play for a while, real life keeps intruding.

[AVGWarhawk]

I get a couple of hours in every day. Happily playing!:smug:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Playing regularly:up:

RDP

[SteamWake]

Installed, playing, happily awaiting 1.3

Oh forgot to ask how is Boo doing ?

[SurfnSea]

Voted: Haven't bought it yet; will reconsider at patch 1.3

The only reason I didn't vote for the bottom choice is that it seems too final. The way Ubi has treated the simmers here and other buyers, though, makes me want to not buy mainly for that reason.

I've followed the threads here closely since the SH4 release and I'm feeling like I'd rather just pass on Ubi products now. I got a check for my B-Day in early May and with this SH4 stuff perhaps it's better to think of my two daughters and use the check for them instead. This way Ubi has to scrounge that much harder to make up for the $50 U.S. I didn't spend and make up for the Ubi games I'll pass up in the future. Wouldn't it be nice to see a pc game company know you can make a profit AND treat its customers in a respectful way?

[nikimcbee]

rarely play, back sh3 for me.:huh:

[Reaves]

I guess i'm currently rarely playing it. It is playable right now and I enjoy it when I do play but you just have to look at what is intended to be fixed in 1.3 to see why I'm waiting for it.

Currently going through some of my older games to pass the time. I'm having a bit of fun playing Black and White 2.

[azn_132]

My SH4 is uninstalled waitin for the 1.3 patch, then ill reinstall it again.

[Argus00]

Installed and happily playing.

[The General]

The immersion factor is everything in a sim like this and it was so heavily compromised by all the problems that everytime I play (rarely), I find myself looking for faults and not enjoying the experience enough. SH4 was/is a lemon. That's not to say all the hard work some of the dev team put in was for nothing. Hopefully, if there is a SH5 (depends on sales), they've learn't from their mistakes and will build a new sim from the ground up.

From all we've heard form the Devs I've been given the impression that they are unwilling to admit there even was/is a serious problem. I just don't think 1.3 will save our souls.

[TDK1044]

It's all relative really. For me, patched to 1.2 and heavily modded, this game is great. But as I tend to use the automatic TDC rather than manual, I don't get the frustration that the 100 percent Realism folks get.

I will assess patch 1.3 when it's released, and see what it offers someone playing at a Realism level of 77.

[STEED]

Yep, I'm on it every other night for a couple of hours.

[vindex]

I am semi-happily playing, but not getting TOO involved in my current career as I wait for 1.3 and EVEN MORE COOL MODS!

[SteamWake]

I find myself looking for faults and not enjoying the experience .

Speaks volumes.

[stabiz]

Uninstalled, will have a go when 1.3 is out.

[joea]

I find myself looking for faults and not enjoying the experience .
Speaks volumes.

Yup, never admitted his "change of heart" either. :shifty:

[momo55]

You need to add "Installed, playing but also waiting for 1.3 & beyond".

Not all of us are happily playing but are playing just the same and waiting. :yep:

Same here :yep:

[headopsdep]

After 2 years of playing fine with SH3 I am presently happy to play SH4. I know (and experienced ) that there are some shortcomings, but I am sure that a company as Ubisoft will cure these bugs, so I didn't join the outcry's of some of our subskippers. Patience often has an advantage for submariners and other warriors.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Welcome:up: headopsdep

Patience is a good thing:up:, one of the reasons I am still playing is I want to see the game through from start to finish, warts and all.

That being said, I am enjoying this sim, loads of potential.

RDP

[Juju]

Uninstalled, but will retry 1.3, if the two bugs that bug me the most are fixed.

[SingeDebile]

wow

[Greentimbers]

SH IV installed, along with SHIII, playing both.:cool:
One night it is the Atlantic, next night the Pacific.

Enjoying both :rock:

Waiting to see what 1.3 brings to the party.
Unless they really mess it up, 1.3 can only make a good game that much better.

[the_belgian]

I take what i have for the time that i have!!!:know:

(i'm not planning on dying,getting blind or lose both arms but i just like the phrase)

[Ping Jockey]

Uninstalled waiting on 1.3. :lol:

[GakunGak]

Installed & playin' when I have time...:arrgh!:

[Sailor Steve]

Not in a situation to play anything. Absolutely will buy it when I can.

[sunvalleyslim]

Uninstalled, waiting for a new computer as I cannot get SH4 to play on my laptop, so when I get the dough, I'll be able to play someday.............Good Luck to the rest of you..................

[DedEye]

You need to add "Installed, playing but also waiting for 1.3 & beyond".

This is me. I voted for next closest thing.

[Packerfan]

Happily playing when r/l allows, patiently waiting for a solid patch that will allow the hardworking modders to make this game really special. :yep:

[Rockin Robbins]

I've been playing SH3 for a year with GWX mod installed and have been happy (after I encountered and made peace with the vanishing game saves bug). With confidence that there would be no problems with my computer purposely built to play Silent Hunter 3, I bought SH4. After a smooth installation process I attempted to run the game and was informed that the guard dog SecurROM will not allow SH4 to be played on any machine with Process Explorer installed! SecuROM is a Sony product. Sony was outted by Mark Russinovich, now of Microsoft and author of Process Explorer, for installing undetectable cloaked software on Sony CD purchaser's computers. This software used dangerous methods, installed without the computer owner's knowledge or consent which opened up doors for malicious software to run on your machine. I suggest that it is probable SecuROM's problem with Process Explorer stems from this dispute, which cost Sony millions of dollars. I contend that it should have resulted in Sony management being prosecuted and imprisoned.

Another forum member says that it refuses to run with his DVD authoring software installed, which he legitimately runs as required by his school. Folks, we are not criminals. We willingly pay $50.00 (admission: I paid $15.00 form a purchaser whose computer would not run SH4) for a program that many of us cannot use because it chooses to defend itself improperly (and possibly unlawfully) against the innocent. If computers and the Internet are to be useful tools we must fight this and win. We must refuse to purchase DRM protected music, games and software which unreasonably restricts our lawful and honest use of our computers. I own my computer. I insist that I be permitted to use it as I lawfully see fit, with whatever legitimate software I choose to install. I will not be treated as a criminal when I am doing nothing wrong. As judge, jury and executioner for my machine I sentence UBI, Sony, and SecuROM to death by uninstallation, to be carried out immediately without appeal. :down:

As wonderful as SH3 is, its success has emboldened the evil empire to ratchet up their concentration camp strategy. It is no longer necessary to find those who seek to profit by illegally copying the game, they will just imprison everybody! I choose not to participate. I will not purchase UBI, Sony or SecuROM "protected" products. I urge everybody who wishes to protect what little freedom they have left to do the same. Prosecute criminals, not the innocent!

[joea]

I will not purchase UBI, Sony or SecuROM "protected" products. I urge everybody who wishes to protect what little freedom they have left to do the same. Prosecute criminals, not the innocent!
...so Starforce is better? Check out my post here.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=567374&postcount=9

Do some reading first. :down:

[TDK1044]

Before this thread gets hijacked and becomes another thread complaining about software protection, let's remember that the purpose of this thread is to take part in a poll.

[cappy70]

Her,her,,do not hijack the thread,,,,

I'm happily playing both SH3 and SH4 and I'm waiting on patch 1.3, to see what it adds in improvment and t h e n I'm waiting for our wonderful mod community to add to that,,,so why whine????? It can just get better,,,see what happened to SH3.....:D :D

Be Happy......:arrgh!:

[TheSatyr]

Doesn't have my classification. Bought it,ran rather badly on my old pc,uninstalled and waiting on a new pc for me to install it on.

[CaptainCox]

Installed since day 1...keep updating with mods and what have you. BRILLIANT!!!! no other games installed at the mo...well yea SH3 awaiting GWX 1.04 ;)

[ParaB]

I uninstalled SHV for the time being. Reinstalled SH III with GWX. Will take another look at SH IV once, or if, the next patch is released.

[tbarak]

Well according to the poll results, about 68% of respondants are in the catagory of waiting for a patch or using mods to get a satisfying play experience from SH4. Not encouraging, especially since the sample is skewd towards people who generally support(ed) the game.

Furthermore, sad that Ubi and the devs have to rely on the kindness and hard work of enthusiasts and modders to resuscitate this game. Unfortunately their efforts also make me believe it makes the publisher and devs lazy.

[rascal101]

I'm even having fun with Oblivion, another game that was some what of a fizzer after it succeeded Morrowind. But I've discovered a bunch of new mods for Oblivion and its not bad, at least until theres a decent patch for SH4 or the new version of GWX for SH3.

I've even started to suspect the next SH4 patch will not be released, its too long and with all the effort they might as well release a new SH5, preferably where you can opt for either Atlantic or Pacific, whatever the player wants.

I guess i'm currently rarely playing it. It is playable right now and I enjoy it when I do play but you just have to look at what is intended to be fixed in 1.3 to see why I'm waiting for it.

Currently going through some of my older games to pass the time. I'm having a bit of fun playing Black and White 2.

[daft]

Installed and playing as much as I can. :) I'm really enjoying this sim and have high hopes for 1.3.

[shipmodelmaker]

Miracle Story!
I have it installed....
Thanks to the support guys at Falcon Northwest.....
I have two of their top rated Mach V's computers......
One has two failed hard drives and has to be resurrected....
But,the one I am writing on right now is cool......
Because Ayhan Celebi, a support tech sent me, free of charge,
a video card he had at home....
My computer was bought five years ago and the video card could not play SH 4.
That was the Nvidia T14600.
I was able to install, but not play......how frustrating.....:down:
I just installed the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro card that Ayhan sent me,
Patched the game and am looking forward eagerly for the third patch! :D
Meanwhile, I am learning the game.....
BTW, the zoom control is not effective... any tips?
Over and out!
Jerry G (Glickstein) :|\\
aka Sgt Glick USMC Ret. 1951-1953 Korea




I'm curious who has it installed, or uninstalled, actively playing or actively waiting, etc. Personally, I have it installed but never play, waiting for 1.3.

[Mike]

I have uninstalled it and am waiting both for 1.3 and to decide whether or not I want to buy a new computer just to run this game, since it won't run correctly on any of the 6 computers I own and the I don't play sims for the eye-candy that keeps killing it.

[Bort]

While my computer that I used to have is out of commission and I am waiting for my new computer to arrive at my doorstep, I am not playing SH4 as you might suspect. But before the hard drive failed on my old computer I was playing SH4 religiously and having a blast! I voted for installed and playing happily because that was what I was doing before and it is most fitting now. :up:

[John Channing]

I don't have time to fill out this poll because I am too busy chasing two merchants in the Bismark Sea who JUST WON'T DIE!

(Of course, it would help if I actually hit them with torpedos. The weather modeling in this sim is a B***H!)

JCC

[Dowly]

Uninstalled, most likely will never touch it again. Luckily I got it very cheap. :p

[sabot]

Installed and playing when I can.

[Steeltrap]

This poll is something of an eye-opener. Were I to have received this sort of customer feedback in some of my previous jobs I'd probably have been sacked, or at least read the riot act. :o :o

Given that more people will have the same feelings but not tell you about it, these numbers are an indictment IMO. :oops: :oops:

I've always felt SH4 is a travesty, and no amount of modding is likely to correct the most egregious flaws.

SH4: Deep-sixed in the Pacific! :down: :down: :down:

Now, back to SH3 and HoI2 and MTW2 etc..... :up: :up: :up:

[John Channing]

Given your third statement, your first two are not all surprising.

And this is hardly a scientific, or ever reliable, indicator of anything.

JCC

[joea]

This poll is something of an eye-opener. Were I to have received this sort of customer feedback in some of my previous jobs I'd probably have been sacked, or at least read the riot act. :o :o

Given that more people will have the same feelings but not tell you about it, these numbers are an indictment IMO. :oops: :oops:

I've always felt SH4 is a travesty, and no amount of modding is likely to correct the most egregious flaws.

SH4: Deep-sixed in the Pacific! :down: :down: :down:

Now, back to SH3 and HoI2 and MTW2 etc..... :up: :up: :up:

Cripes some the the pure BS I read here is incredible. It's almost comedic. :arrgh!:

[longam]

Playing when I can but doing other projects as time permits including real life Honey Do projects.

[Takeda Shingen]

My option is not listed, so it will be given in the verbose:

I am playing and enjoying SHIV while awating 1.3.

[macky]

my option not listed either. Rarely play it due to rl atm.

I doubt the problems would keep me away from playing as I dont do manual targeting (cos I cant give enough time to learn how to do it unless a real nub guide comes available that shows me step by step from the beginning:o)

So my only excuse is lack of time...tho I am hoping to get it on soon as I really love the sim (played SH3 till my eyes bled:doh:)

[dean_acheson]

is there a point to this poll?

[tbarak]

is there a point to this poll?

Yes there is. For those of us who paid $60, and only get pleasure out of the game from its pretty plastic cover, at least it doesn't feel like our crying is the only voice in the wilderness.

Besides, if forums are a place where devs and publishers come for market intelligence and customer opinion - like magazines, developers and publishers claim they do - then maybe they'll get the message that their odacity of releasing a half baked game is turning people off.

Nah, you're right...it's just another bitch-fest. Oh well, one can only hope...

[AkbarGulag]

Now, back to SH3 and HoI2 and MTW2 etc..... :up: :up: :up:

If you think the support/release of this game is bad, why would you go back to MTW2 :o

That game was in worse condition than this one and has spook patch releases and everything! SEGA is not made of win. Not to mention the forums are full of whiners and grumpy moderators.

Landlubbers :88) !!

[dean_acheson]

is there a point to this poll?

Yes there is. For those of us who paid $60, and only get pleasure out of the game from its pretty plastic cover, at least it doesn't feel like our crying is the only voice in the wilderness.

Besides, if forums are a place where devs and publishers come for market intelligence and customer opinion - like magazines, developers and publishers claim they do - then maybe they'll get the message that their odacity of releasing a half baked game is turning people off.

Nah, you're right...it's just another bitch-fest. Oh well, one can only hope...

LOL, I seem to remember in real life our torpedos were pretty buggy too for the first few years of the war....the more things change.....

Oh, and I bought two copies, to support the war effort, as it were, and in the hopes that sims like this, don't die.

[Dowly]

Now, back to SH3 and HoI2 and MTW2 etc..... :up: :up: :up:
If you think the support/release of this game is bad, why would you go back to MTW2 :o

That game was in worse condition than this one and has spook patch releases and everything! SEGA is not made of win. Not to mention the forums are full of whiners and grumpy moderators.

Landlubbers :88) !!

Maybe he loves Total War series so much that the bugs dont matter? That's the case with me, I love the TW series no matter the bugs. But as for SHIV, I've never really liked other sub action that the Uboats, so they can patch it up to 10000.02 and I still wouldnt think of it as a great game.

[Steeltrap]

Given your third statement, your first two are not all surprising.

And this is hardly a scientific, or ever reliable, indicator of anything.

JCC

Here are my first 2 comments:

This poll is something of an eye-opener. Were I to have received this sort of customer feedback in some of my previous jobs I'd probably have been sacked, or at least read the riot act. :o :o

Given that more people will have the same feelings but not tell you about it, these numbers are an indictment IMO. :oops: :oops:

Here are the numbers to which I refer:

* 190 people have voted indicating they have purchased the game (the 13 responses in the last 3 categories can be discarded re direct experience as they have not purchased the game).
* 127 of those (or 66.8%) play rarely or not at all.
* 67 of them (or 35.3%) don't play at all.
* 35 of them (or 18.4%) have uninstalled it.

It happens to be true that I have worked in a capacity of analysing direct customer survey results and devising strategies to improve those results for a number of major corporations. My opinion of these results is in no way affected by my opinion of the game, so, with all due respect JCC, I would suggest you're the one choosing to interpret my comments based on your own prejudices (for example "anyone who has a bad opinion of the game will always be biased in their feedback").

Of course I am only too happy to be shown an argument that supports the premise that 33.2% of customers happily playing a game are NOT figures that should be regarded as an indictment. My experience is that anything scoring 35.3% 'bottom two boxes' customer scores would be producing alarm bells, but that's simply my experience (not opinion).

As to the reliability or significance of these numbers, the only thing I conclude is they are a reliable indicator of the experiences of the 203 people who have voted so far. As to how far one might choose to extrapolate these figures into a wider meaning, that's a whole different discussion. It IS true, generally, that there will be more people with negative feelings than those who have actually INDICATED those feelings.....generally it's a case of people don't like to report that they feel they made an unwise choice/decision.....again, that's generally accepted wisdom in Customer Satisfaction Survey methodology, not my specific opinion. There are, of course, variations based on the survey questions and nature of the survey topic, but it's a generally applicable rule.

Incidentally, I have in fact posted comments on what I think was done well....trouble is I think they are incidental when compared with the problems.

Cheers

[AkbarGulag]

Now, back to SH3 and HoI2 and MTW2 etc..... :up: :up: :up:
If you think the support/release of this game is bad, why would you go back to MTW2 :o

That game was in worse condition than this one and has spook patch releases and everything! SEGA is not made of win. Not to mention the forums are full of whiners and grumpy moderators.

Landlubbers :88) !!
Maybe he loves Total War series so much that the bugs dont matter? That's the case with me, I love the TW series no matter the bugs. But as for SHIV, I've never really liked other sub action that the Uboats, so they can patch it up to 10000.02 and I still wouldnt think of it as a great game.
Im glad you understand my point then Dowly. Saying "this game has bugs and clearly other people think so, im off to play another buggy game" detracts from the whole point of this poll IMO.

Folllowing your logic of "People will play what they love" then another way to interpret this poll is....

10 people hate it, they won't be back.

155 people are playing always/sometimes/rarely with all these changing to always once patch 1.3 is released.

38 have it and dont play it but will re-install it at patch 1.3 or will purchase at 1.3

Thats 193 people Happy at patch 1.3, with only 10 people staying away.

Clearly %95 of the people polled love this sim and don't care about some other buggy game the last %5 are off to play.

Theres one other thing this place has going for it, a group of dedicated modders who perform highly compared to other games (including the TW series) due to the fact that its coded in a manner that allows everyone to MOD to their hearts content (unlike the rollbacks made in the TW series for example).

I'm in no way trying to degrade Steeltraps statement (hello btw mate), just trying to keep it in perspective. Sure, at first glance it does seem concerning the way the poll stacks up, but as they say, theres lies, bloody lies and statistics.

[Iron Budokan]

Wow! When you add it up 59% are currently at never play, rarely play, or waiting for 1.3. That's pretty darn telling. But I mean in a good way because that percentage is willing to give the game another shot after 1.3....

[Bort]

* 190 people have voted indicating they have purchased the game (the 13 responses in the last 3 categories can be discarded re direct experience as they have not purchased the game).
* 127 of those (or 66.8%) play rarely or not at all.
* 67 of them (or 35.3%) don't play at all.
* 35 of them (or 18.4%) have uninstalled it.

Even though this kind of thing is apparently your job, you've messed up the statistics and lost every person who actually plays the game regularly.

Keep in mind that you say this game is unfixable with any amount of modding. What about after the patch when I would say it's safe to assume that many (if not all) of the major problems will be fixed? The modders can handle the rest of the small problems like they've already done.

[John Channing]

Given your third statement, your first two are not all surprising.

And this is hardly a scientific, or ever reliable, indicator of anything.

JCC

Here are my first 2 comments:

This poll is something of an eye-opener. Were I to have received this sort of customer feedback in some of my previous jobs I'd probably have been sacked, or at least read the riot act. :o :o

Given that more people will have the same feelings but not tell you about it, these numbers are an indictment IMO. :oops: :oops:

Here are the numbers to which I refer:

* 190 people have voted indicating they have purchased the game (the 13 responses in the last 3 categories can be discarded re direct experience as they have not purchased the game).
* 127 of those (or 66.8%) play rarely or not at all.
* 67 of them (or 35.3%) don't play at all.
* 35 of them (or 18.4%) have uninstalled it.

It happens to be true that I have worked in a capacity of analysing direct customer survey results and devising strategies to improve those results for a number of major corporations. My opinion of these results is in no way affected by my opinion of the game, so, with all due respect JCC, I would suggest you're the one choosing to interpret my comments based on your own prejudices (for example "anyone who has a bad opinion of the game will always be biased in their feedback").

Of course I am only too happy to be shown an argument that supports the premise that 33.2% of customers happily playing a game are NOT figures that should be regarded as an indictment. My experience is that anything scoring 35.3% 'bottom two boxes' customer scores would be producing alarm bells, but that's simply my experience (not opinion).

As to the reliability or significance of these numbers, the only thing I conclude is they are a reliable indicator of the experiences of the 203 people who have voted so far. As to how far one might choose to extrapolate these figures into a wider meaning, that's a whole different discussion. It IS true, generally, that there will be more people with negative feelings than those who have actually INDICATED those feelings.....generally it's a case of people don't like to report that they feel they made an unwise choice/decision.....again, that's generally accepted wisdom in Customer Satisfaction Survey methodology, not my specific opinion. There are, of course, variations based on the survey questions and nature of the survey topic, but it's a generally applicable rule.

Incidentally, I have in fact posted comments on what I think was done well....trouble is I think they are incidental when compared with the problems.

Cheers

When someone states that “I've always felt SH4 is a travesty”, uses loaded words like “indictment” and then leaves off the part of the description “waiting for patch 1.03 and beyond” leaving only the part about people not playing, I have to think that their biases are very much on display.

To try a different perspective.

As of 2:13 ET…

The largest single block of “voters” (31.58%) are “Installed and Happily Playing”

60.29% of respondents are currently playing the game.

90.44% of respondents are awaiting patch 1.03.

and only 3.35% are “disgusted, will never play again”

Roughly the same numbers but quite a different way of portraying them, don’t you think?

As to the lack of credibility of this poll, Sh3 sold somewhere in excess of 300,000 copies. Lets say, for argument sake that Sh4 sold half of that amount, or 150,000. This means that the 209 people who took the poll represent .0014% of the total universe. Add to that the fact that the sample was taken from a website that primarily appeals to fans of the genre (so much for a random sample) and that the questions are ambiguous at best (what does “rarely” mean) and you will see the problem I have with this type of thing.

It is a fun little diversion, but when people start to take it too seriously, or treat it like it has some validity, I get a little concerned, that’s all.

JCC

[John Channing]

Even though this kind of thing is apparently your job, you've messed up the statistics and lost every person who actually plays the game regularly.



I wasn't going to mention that part.

JCC

[Rockin Robbins]

I also have to think the survey raises more questions than answers. In the customer service field we have a saying that only one of ten dissatisfied people will complain, so we always assume that our real dissatisfaction level is 10 times what we measure.

Sounds good, but I don't think that assumption applies here at all. After all Subsim isn't a haven of all submarine simmers, it is the haven of the hardest to please, most persnickety in the known universe. This group not only finds every detail they don't like, but they put thousands of man-hours into modding the games to fix them!

In my opinion, conventional marketing wisdom is turned on its head in this group and where the general public (new gamers) would be happy as could be, we'll be grousing about this or that nagging detail and will tend to talk about it and respond heavily to a survey like this. This is because we love simulations and want them to be the best possible. We appreciate what we have and dream about what will be possible tomorrow. My feeling is that this group itself is biased by its high standards and experience, coupled with its previous exposure to Silent Hunter III, a better simulation! We always assume that each successive simulation by the same authors will be built to higher standards. I don't think that happened here.

So I'm going to say the level of negatives in this survey are much higher than they are likely to be in the class of all buyers of Wolves of the Pacific. And I know that their reasons for dissatisfaction would be very different than ours: mostly too much complexity for kids used to playing Ratchet and Clank. (disclaimer: I know about Ratchet and Clank only from my son's Playstation 2). Someone could easily argue that the complete class of buyers would have even more complaints then! That's my story and I'm sticking to it, whatever it is.

[_alphaBeta_]

Installed, never play, waiting for 1.3 & beyond

Certainly looks impressive and runs nicely on my rig. I haven't played it much after I got it and found all the problems. I'm not specifically avoiding it, but I guess I'd rather spend what little gaming time I have on games that aren't so buggy.

I have high hopes for 1.3 and the modding community.

[Major Johnson]

Well I had to do a what if vote. I would be playing happily if my power supply was up to snuff! Installed the game a few days after it came out, patched it to 1.1 and went through the sub school. I love the graphis, especially the way water is renedered. The best I've ever seen! 1.2 came out so I applied that and started a career. Had a few CTDs and decided to reinstall and patch to 1.2 before starting the game. I was able to start another career and played most of the first patrol before the CTDs started in again. Soon after my pc just started shutting off when playing. I reasoned it out to be my power supply which was probably defective when I bought it, but just never had an application that was so demanding on a video card. So I ordered a new one, which came DOA, sent it back and I'm waiting for the replacement, which should be here Thursday, just in time for my birthday on Friday! :D I admit, I'm in the tank for SH4. Was a big fan of SH1, and waited 10 long years for the series to finally get back to the Pacific! So I'm confident that 1.3 will fix most the things that need fixin, and I wouldn't be surprised if they throw us a bone to boot!

[Steeltrap]

Even though this kind of thing is apparently your job, you've messed up the statistics and lost every person who actually plays the game regularly.



I wasn't going to mention that part.

JCC

Probably just as well not to, John, as you'd be making the same error as Bort:

Total who responded and have actually purchased and played the game: 190
Those who are happily playing: 63 (33.2%)
Those who are something OTHER than happily playing: 127 (66.8%)
Given my interest was in those OTHER than happily playing, that's what I quoted. I even took the time to exclude those yet to purchase the game...something nobody else has done. If I've made a mistake then I'd be happy to have it explained to me....

The largest single block of “voters” (31.58%) are “Installed and Happily Playing”

60.29% of respondents are currently playing the game.

90.44% of respondents are awaiting patch 1.03.

and only 3.35% are “disgusted, will never play again”

Roughly the same numbers but quite a different way of portraying them, don’t you think?

Well, certainly a 'creative' one.....

60.29% are currently playing? Well, roughly HALF of those are playing 'rarely' and waiting on 1.03. Depends on your definition of 'currently'. If you think 'rarely' = 'currently', then it's fine. 'Rarely' to me means their default is NOT to play.

90.44% are waiting on 1.03? Don't know where you get that, given that the first response makes no mention of patch 1.03 at all, simply that they are happily playing. While it's a fair bet they would like 1.03, they are the only group NOT waiting specifically for it.

My point in all of this was that approximately 2 out of 3 people who have the game either play it rarerly or not at all. Nothing in the figures has changed that. If people think that's a good enough response, good for them. It in no way invalidates my observation that many companies would be aghast at such numbers, and certainly my own direct experience is I'd be in deep doo-doo were I responsible for such customer feedback. Nothing more, nothing less. To put it another way:

Of course I am only too happy to be shown an argument that supports the premise that 33.2% of customers happily playing a game are NOT figures that should be regarded as an indictment. My experience is that anything scoring 35.3% 'bottom two boxes' customer scores would be producing alarm bells, but that's simply my experience (not opinion).

One thing I am not trying to do is say people are wrong for liking the game!! I am happy for them, and I do not intend any sarcasm in saying that. I wish I could be as happy, or that Ubi/Developers had not sent what, on the basis of these results, the majority of those who have responded feel is an unsatisfactory product to market.

Cheers all.....no rancour on my part!

p.s. Hi to you too, Akbar!
pp.s. Re MTW2, the difference for me is what I expect from it. I don't view it as a 'sim' in the way I do SH. You could liken the AI that has convoys stopping conveniently when you torp a single ship in the same way that people in MTW2 forum regarded the AI having troop formations sitting in the middle of a field being hit by missile fire and doing nothing. The folks in MTW2 certainly had plenty to say about it, yet there's barely a whisper here. Meanwhile I am asked why I'd play a game like MTW2 that is 'more flawed' than SH4. Strange......

[TDK1044]

The most amusing part of all this to me is that 36 people claim that they have purchased and installed the game, but that they are waiting for patch 1.3 and beyond before actually playing the game? That sums up the validity of this poll.

Most people in the community, if they're being honest, are playing a patched and modded version of the game. Those, like me, who play at less than 100 percent Realism, are enjoying the current version of the game and are waiting to see what patch 1.3 will bring.

[mookiemookie]

I voted "Installed and rarely play" as I would play more, but the whole "being engaged" thing kind of precludes me from doing so.

Be careful what kind of inferences you make. Maybe I misunderstood the question, but if I did, then many other people could have.

[John Channing]

Again this is, at best, an interesting diversion, nothing more. People who take this stuff too seriously need to remember that.

JCC

[TDK1044]

Precisely, John.

[Sailor Steve]

Hey, I've been joined! For the longest time I was the only one who voted "Haven't purchased yet, but planning to"; but now there's another. Come on, speak up: who are you?:sunny:

[joea]

Maybe he loves Total War series so much that the bugs dont matter? That's the case with me, I love the TW series no matter the bugs. But as for SHIV, I've never really liked other sub action that the Uboats, so they can patch it up to 10000.02 and I still wouldnt think of it as a great game.

No offense Dowly but don't confuse personal areas of interest with judging a game "great" or not. I'll admit Falcon and Lock-on are great sims they just lack one thing IMO, propellers. :p Doesn't mean they are not well made (or lack bugs etc.) and for example I like the idea or implementation of Falcon's dynamic campaign ...still have little interest in picking a copy up and playing it.

Some games might interest me, but be buggy or poorly implemented (bad conception or interface etc. as well as bugs), SH2 is in this category.

I think this poll and the others like it, both pro and anti, for the most part are trolls with an "agenda" nothing more. I did not answer as my choice was not indicated, purchased tried and uninstalled waiting for a more powerful computer. I can just run GWX enjoyably with judicious tweaks of graphic options and keeping my old box optimised (defrag, fsautostart etc.) What I saw of SHIV I liked, I think it could be brilliant but will have this cloud because of it's too early release. I am very hopeful but realstic about 1.3 too. The subject interests me as another flavour and contrast to what I already love, SH3 and the U-boats.

[OakGroove]

Got it installed and a new campaign running - most of the time however i spent on doing textures and testing them ingame, trying out new mods ... making the experience more varied and enjoyable. With 1.3 around the corner i´m confident SH4 won't go down the drain. :up:

[Subject]

Could use a 9th option:
Installed, modded (26 add-ins so far http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/dopey.gif), studying manuals, IS/WAS and what not, loaded navigation school to see if it runs, but still trying to finish a german career in the Med (6½ months there and - just! - still alive in May, 1942). Anyday now... these Ansons are killing me :nope:

Looking forward to finally unleash my freedom-fighting USN-heart :rock:

[AkbarGulag]

p.s. Hi to you too, Akbar!
pp.s. Re MTW2, the difference for me is what I expect from it. I don't view it as a 'sim' in the way I do SH. You could liken the AI that has convoys stopping conveniently when you torp a single ship in the same way that people in MTW2 forum regarded the AI having troop formations sitting in the middle of a field being hit by missile fire and doing nothing. The folks in MTW2 certainly had plenty to say about it, yet there's barely a whisper here. Meanwhile I am asked why I'd play a game like MTW2 that is 'more flawed' than SH4. Strange......
I actually have the MTW2 collectors and dare say have spent as much time playing as the most hardcore of the fans (control the cardinals to control the world). The most concerning aspect of all of these types of discussions is that MOST game manufacturers are releasing products like this in general... i'm more concerned as a gamer of the trend of 'Pay to play' than anything else.

But like you mention, the total war forums had plenty to say about the AI and other problems, but i'm not sure how the teams that have to go back and fix these games (no one likes doing the same job twice, no matter your proffession) respond to public hysteria. I may be new here, but I think people in this sim community would rather the 'quiet' diplomacy without people just ranting and whipping up mob mentality.

I suppose it could be worse than dodgy AI and stuttery games, we could all be recieving 'Syntax errors' instead :rotfl:

[Dantenoc]

The most amusing part of all this to me is that 36 people claim that they have purchased and installed the game, but that they are waiting for patch 1.3 and beyond before actually playing the game? That sums up the validity of this poll.

I'm one of those persons. Tried it for three days, it kept crashing to desktop, and the mouse was non-responsive, so I'm spending my time playing other things until I get the 1.3 patch to give it another try... what amuses you about that? :hmm:

"Never play" and "Never have played" are two completely different things.

[heartc]

Really, this "Rarely play, waiting for 1.03 and beyond" as the next best thing to "Happily playing" is the culprit. When you give like 4 or 5 options for negative feedback, and only 1 option for positive feedback, and the gap between that first option and already the second one is pretty huge, you will get an overly negative result, pal, and you know it.

Had you given a second option saying "Currently playing the game, but some things could have been done better", I'm damn sure a lot of those "Rarely play, waiting for 1.03 and beyond" voters would have picked that one. Also, who is NOT waiting for 1.03? When a patch is announced, everybody wants it, no matter how good or bad the game is. You can happily play it and still await Patch 1.03. The "Happily playing [full stop]" option as the only positive option is way too limited.

And truly, it is a fact that forum visitors only represent a small fraction of the customers. The fact that there is also a lot of whining going on in the forums leaves an overly negative impression and you will have a customer base in the forum which knows about every little nitpick with the game, no matter if each user had encountered each little real or imagined gripe himself or not. People who don't read 20 posts a day complaining about something with the game will naturaly have a more positive impression of the game, since while each individual might have his own gripes with the game, they are less than the total number of gripes showcased on an internet forum.

@Dantenoc: Sounds like too high graphic settings (unresponsive mouse is an indicator for that) and possibly overheating issue (constant CTDs) to me. I had 1 CTD and have the game since day one. CTDs might happen, but when they happen all the time it's probably because of a too high tax on the system.

[John Channing]

@Dantenoc: Sounds like too high graphic settings (unresponsive mouse is an indicator for that) and possibly overheating issue (constant CTDs) to me. I had 1 CTD and have the game since day one. CTDs might happen, but when they happen all the time it's probably because of a too high tax on the system.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. 1.03 is not going to cure those problems as they are not originating with the game.

Dantenoc, what are your specs?

JCC

[mrlucky35]

The game is really cool, But never played a Sub Sim before! This game is FRUSTRAING, Trying to learn how to set up a Shot!!!:damn: LOL :up:

[DJSatane]

1.3 is good as far as single player goes, but they never polished multiplayer and I was afraid that would happen with all efforts going to sp. In mp, you cant see other player damage on ships like holes etc, only the ones you cause. Further, when you get killed on the surface, the sub will never sink no matter how much its hit and overun and your crew will keep talking they are repairing etc even though you died long time ago and spectating other players... Lack of polish in MP.

[chopped50ford]

I play this at addictive levels. Being an old submariner myself...I cant get enough.

[JScones]

Uninstalled after playing once or twice (SH4 v1.1). Just couldn't get into it - the "stars" on the map and such, very "unmilitary". Then there was the constant SecuRom "Please insert disc" excitement.

However, good things seem to be said about SH4 + 1.3 + TM + a few other mods, so now that I am on three month's leave (to be spent mostly changing nappies and such, LOL!), I may dig it out and have another play.

I just fear though that I will be so disappointed with the representation of Australia, New Zealand and the Netherlands that it will grate on me so much that I end up spending more time modding than playing, LOL! :roll:

[TDK1044]

Trigger Maru 1.4 has made all the difference for me. SH4 feels more like a sim now. I'm very happy playing SH4 1.3 with TM 1.4 and a few other mods.

[EAGLE_01]

The game is really cool, But never played a Sub Sim before! This game is FRUSTRAING, Trying to learn how to set up a Shot!!!:damn: LOL :up:

Wait till the enemy locates you.:cry:
"Fair Well and adiue to ye fair Spanish ladies..."

[ReallyDedPoet]

Trigger Maru 1.4 has made all the difference for me. SH4 feels more like a sim now. I'm very happy playing SH4 1.3 with TM 1.4 and a few other mods.

Fired up the new verion last night, in the middle of a great patrol. The 1.4 enhancements have really added to the experience :yep:


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