China tariffs on the way!!! It's about time!

[SUBMAN1]

I hate Chinese crap anyway. I go out of my way to buy American, or at least from some other country if I can. Chinese garbage always breaks anyway, so it is worth the extra dollar you have to spend to buy from another country.

THis bill better pass!!!

-S

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axjjN8F9R16E&refer=home

Four U.S. senators introduced legislation today that would allow American companies to petition for steeper import tariffs to counter the benefit of any undervalued currencies in China or other countries.

[Tchocky]

Posting from myChinese laptop, breathing American air, sitting on my Irish ass.

And today is the same day that the US Treasury "has refused to describe China as a currency manipulator".

Note the qualification, "any" undervalued currencies. This is aimed at China, but it won't hit them. Anyways, legislation isn't the best way to solve this problem, to my mind.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6747859.stm

[Heibges]

Bush made a comment in his speach last week that the Chinese need to become less savers and more spenders. I think it would be more prudent for him to have said Americans need to be better savers, and less spenders.

[SUBMAN1]

Bush made a comment in his speach last week that the Chinese need to become less savers and more spenders. I think it would be more prudent for him to have said Americans need to be better savers, and less spenders.

Agreed. Americans should also avoid buying Chineese crap and save a little more money instead! :D

[FIREWALL]

If this passes it's the end of WALMART as we know it. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Heibges]

If this passes it's the end of WALMART as we know it. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I hope so. Between all our money going to China, and what little we have left going to pay health benefits for Walmart employees, it would be the best possible thing for America. Especially for American small businesses.

[U-161]

Stop global enterprises make slave of Chinese people!

[FIREWALL]

I don't want to see this thread lost. I feel this needs more viewing and discussion.


I'd like to hear from other members what big companys have left and have China make their products to selll back here at cheaper price and quality.

And most important the loss of JOBS.

[FIREWALL]

SUBMAN1 you had an interesting thread here. To bad you didn't mix something about Paris Hilton in there, maybe you would've gotten more response.

It's a sad day when...

Important topics seem to get little notice.

Bull**** seems to draw the most flies.

[Tchocky]

Firewall, the threads only been up for a few hours, and there are a lot of time zones flying around here.

Give it time

[Skybird]

Joint venture the Chinese way:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/12/business/danone.php

Danone is not the first, and will not be the last one being dealt with like this. Once the transfer of technology and knowhow is considered to be sufficient in a given business sector, foreign investors in china face growing risks of being confronted over trivial issues or staged incidents in an attempt to get the foreigners again. Over the past years this has been demonstrated so ver yoften by the Chinese.

If I were a company, at no cosats ever I would invest in china, never, no matter how lucrative the offerings appear at first.

[FIREWALL]

Firewall, the threads only been up for a few hours, and there are a lot of time zones flying around here.

Give it time



Good point :up: Will give it some time. It was just that the PH thing brought everyone out of the woodwork 24&7 .:p

I will be the first to admit it was a more interesting topic.:p :rotfl:

[Konovalov]

I hate Chinese crap anyway. I go out of my way to buy American, or at least from some other country if I can. Chinese garbage always breaks anyway, so it is worth the extra dollar you have to spend to buy from another country.

THis bill better pass!!!

-S

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axjjN8F9R16E&refer=home

Four U.S. senators introduced legislation today that would allow American companies to petition for steeper import tariffs to counter the benefit of any undervalued currencies in China or other countries.

That got me thinking. :-? What components within my PC or peripherals that I use are made in China? My initial thoughts were that few would be simply because of the fact that most of the stuff inside my case or that I use with my computer are of good or high quality and have always had good reviews. So here is the list that I have come up with so far:

Asus P5B Deluxe Wifi-AP motherboard - Made in China
Corsair Dominator memory - Assembled in USA
Sharkoon Golfball 120mm case fans - Made in China
Saitek Eclipse II keyboard - Made in China
Logitech X-540 5.1 speakers - Made in China
Logitech MX Revolution mouse - Made in China
Olympus Mju-410 4megapixel digital camera - Made in China
Zalman VF900-Cu VGA cooler - Made in Korea
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU - Made in either Costa Rice, China, Philippines, or USA
Seasonic M12 600w modular PSU - Made in China
XFX Geforce 7900GS - Assembled in China with parts from Taiwan, USA, Korea and oh China again.
Seagate hard drive - haven't found out
Samsung DVD burner - haven't found out yet
Antec P180B case - guessing USA but could be wrong
Broadband modem - Made in China

Everything listed above has performed faultlessly and does what it claims to do. Most of it was made in China. Not all products from China are garbage or crap. Food for thought. :hmm:

[Skybird]

Not all products from China are garbage or crap. Food for thought. :hmm:
Even more important: they are constantly improving their quality.

When thirty years ago the first shipload of Japanese cars, Toyotas, landed in Germany, German carmakers just laughed, saying these cars were crappy and were designed by dwarfs, for dwarfs. And the cars were crappy, and small indeed.

I can assure everybody that today none of them laughs about Japanese cars anymore.

[Konovalov]

Not all products from China are garbage or crap. Food for thought. :hmm:
Even more important: they are constantly improving their quality.

When thirty years ago the first shipload of Japanese cars, Toyotas, landed in Germany, German carmakers just laughed, saying these cars were crappy and were designed by dwarfs, for dwarfs. And the cars were crappy, and small indeed.

I can assure everybody that today none of them laughs about Japanese cars anymore.

Exactly. :yep:

[P_Funk]

I once had a toy that said "Made in the USA". I thought 'thats funny'. I then looked on the bottom of the toy where it said again "Made in the USA", however this time it had two extra words in brackets: "(Puerto Rico)".

I laughed my ass off for a while there.

[TteFAboB]

Food for thought. :hmm:

Watch the cholesterol!

There are two kind of things that are made in China: 1) off-shored products and 2) original Chinese products.

As far as I know I think most of the known components you have listed are foreign products, even if from neighbor SKorea, their factories are to Chinese factories as an embassy is to national Chinese territory, except for most of the staff, which is recruited locally.

There are plenty of Chinese crap (non-off-shored products) to be found, from TVs to shoes to toys. Worse than those are the Chinese pirated trash, from purses to lethal toothpastes.

Skybird pointed out the trend though: improve the pirated goods untill they are sufficiently good to compete with the real things thanks to the cheaper prices.

[Steel_Tomb]

I think we are forgetting about the people who make these cheap goods. Obviously some goods will be of higher quality...but there are some which are made cheap for quick profit. Made by children and other people who are forced to work long hours for little money. China needs to get its act together and actually start to think about more than the size of its bank balance and economic growth.

[Konovalov]

Food for thought. :hmm:

Watch the cholesterol!

GP gave me a clean bill of health the other month. I'm not worried. :smug:

I Agree with what you have said. I was simply making the point that China can and do make world class quality goods which is more of a worry than the junk that they spew out through cheap almost slave labour.

[moose1am]

Today's cheap labor is the equivalent of the 1880's slaves. People will always try to exploit other people and the Chinese are going a good job of exploiting their people. Trouble is those Chinese people don't know any better and this is the best they have ever had it. So they think they are in 7th Heaven when they get to work for peanuts and work 20 hours a day 7 days a week for just a few bucks. Sad but true.

What concerns me more is that all the money we spend and send to China is being used by the Chinese Government to build more nuclear weapons and submarines. China's emerging out of the 16th Century into the 21st century in a big way and with their 1.7 billion people they will consume a lot more resources than I would like to see them use.

For what they use we can't. If you get my drift. They are one of the reasons why Oil Prices are so high these days. Not that we don't use our fair of the worlds resources. Hehe. But hey I would not want it any other way.

We need to maintain our military power over the world if we want to retain our current lifestyles here in the US. Right now my lifestyle is threatened by high oil prices, illegal Mexicans and the Chinese trade deficit.


Stop global enterprises make slave of Chinese people!

[moose1am]

You forget to mention the Dog Food with the dangerous Chemical Additives that was made in China. And then there is the toothpaste that also has some potentially dangerous chemicals in it. And then the toys that are painted with paint that contains LEAD. Lead is a neurotoxin that can cripple young children. It's like most heavy metals that can concentrate inside our bodies and damage the nervous system to the point of failure.

China has not EPA or OSHA and they subject those poor farm workers to torturous conditions. Only one in 3700 Chinese have access to an automobile right now. But that number is growing every day you buy stuff from the Chinese. We owe too much Money to China the way it is with the trade imbalance between the USA and China.

If they would pay their workers more money and treat them with better working conditions they would not be able to dump cheap products on the USA. Sure we would pay more for goods but at least they would be safer to consume.

China has no FDA or any other government office that inspects their products for consumer safety. We can buy stuff from China but we can't buy our pharmaceuticals from Canada? That doesn't make sense unless you realize how powerful the drug companies are here in the USA. They can charge what they fell like for their legal drugs and prevent any competition at the same time.

I hate Chinese crap anyway. I go out of my way to buy American, or at least from some other country if I can. Chinese garbage always breaks anyway, so it is worth the extra dollar you have to spend to buy from another country.

THis bill better pass!!!

-S

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axjjN8F9R16E&refer=home

Four U.S. senators introduced legislation today that would allow American companies to petition for steeper import tariffs to counter the benefit of any undervalued currencies in China or other countries.

That got me thinking. :-? What components within my PC or peripherals that I use are made in China? My initial thoughts were that few would be simply because of the fact that most of the stuff inside my case or that I use with my computer are of good or high quality and have always had good reviews. So here is the list that I have come up with so far:

Asus P5B Deluxe Wifi-AP motherboard - Made in China
Corsair Dominator memory - Assembled in USA
Sharkoon Golfball 120mm case fans - Made in China
Saitek Eclipse II keyboard - Made in China
Logitech X-540 5.1 speakers - Made in China
Logitech MX Revolution mouse - Made in China
Olympus Mju-410 4megapixel digital camera - Made in China
Zalman VF900-Cu VGA cooler - Made in Korea
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU - Made in either Costa Rice, China, Philippines, or USA
Seasonic M12 600w modular PSU - Made in China
XFX Geforce 7900GS - Assembled in China with parts from Taiwan, USA, Korea and oh China again.
Seagate hard drive - haven't found out
Samsung DVD burner - haven't found out yet
Antec P180B case - guessing USA but could be wrong
Broadband modem - Made in China

Everything listed above has performed faultlessly and does what it claims to do. Most of it was made in China. Not all products from China are garbage or crap. Food for thought. :hmm: