Area 51....

[GakunGak]

Has anyone been there?
Or, does anyone has any intel what's there, what kind of alien technology is under research and other stuff?
:hmm:

[Chock]

They are currently working on the SH4 1.3 patch there, that's why no-one knows anything about it:rotfl:

Chock

[GakunGak]

Chock, you are wicked, you know that?:rotfl:

[Happy Times]

http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ufo-13.jpg

[GakunGak]

Oh, my, oh my...:rock:
I just pissed my pants!:up:
Can he see me?

[Letum]

Well, you get a nice view of it on google maps.

Trying to find anything out about the place is almost totally fruitless.
Too many people have forged to many theories about the place and this makes it impossible to be unbiased when considering what the installation might do.

Its not a good thing to look into if your looking for knowledge or wisdom about anything.


*edit*
http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ufo-13.jpg



:huh::huh::huh::huh:
Proofs!

[GakunGak]

And what about this litle fella?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51:_The_Alien_Interview

[Chock]

Back on your original topic, I suppose it depends on whether you think Robert Lazar was a nutter who made a lot of stuff up, or you think he was genuine and had a number done on his records by the Govt to make it look like he was lying. If the latter is true, I guess it probably wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened, but then again, how would we ever know?

I did find it interesting that when Lazar made his claims, it was originally denied that he'd worked at Groom Lake, but then someone turned up an internal phone directory which had his extension listed, so then the official story changed to 'Well, yes alright, he actually DID work there, but he was something very minor'.

On the other hand, the whole thing could be a case of misdirection and deliberate disinformation in order to steer prying eyes away from more mundane secret stuff such as the F-117's development and the Aurora project, both of which were apparently tested at that place as part of Lockheed's 'Skunkworks'.

I do know that they had some MiG 21s and stuff like that there during the Cold War that they'd got hold of by dropping leaflets over Vietnam offering huge amounts of money to any NVAF pilot who'd fly his MiG to Thailand, but that's hardly an Alien Spaceship is it?

I think it's fun to speculate on stuff like that, but the clincher for me is that whenever someone claims to have seen an alien spaceship land and stuff like that, it always seems to be some redneck out in the ass-end of nowhere!

Without wanting to sound like a nutter myself, I have personally seen a couple of things in the sky that I couldn't actually explain, but just because I couldn't explain what they were, that doesn't mean they had little green men sat at the controls.

Actually, most people claim they're grey rather than green anyway, don't they?

The entire subject is all a bit 'tinfoil hat', but there are one or two reasonably credible books on the subject, most notably by Tim Good, who does appear to have some supporters in the UK military who are willing to corroborate at least some of his claims.

Of course I could tell you more, but then I'd have to kill you:rotfl:

:D Chock

[Oberon]

I'd say there's sod all at 51 any more, perhaps a few prototypes but nothing that sensitive. The base is just too well known now to make it practical to operate under complete securacy. I would have thought the USAF bugged out the real secret stuff in the early to mid 1990s.

[GakunGak]

How about this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5952399139521551437
Think, think!:hmm:

[GakunGak]

I'd say there's sod all at 51 any more, perhaps a few prototypes but nothing that sensitive. The base is just too well known now to make it practical to operate under complete securacy. I would have thought the USAF bugged out the real secret stuff in the early to mid 1990s.
Like, moved to Utah?

[Chock]

All your base are belong to us!

:D Chock

[GakunGak]

All you base are belong to us!

:D Chock
In Soviet Russia, all bases are belong to YOU!:rock:

[waste gate]

Back in the mid-80's I flew air tours over the Canyon out of Boulder City. Although I never strayed into restricted airspace I could hear A/C that did and they were most often driven off by the fast movers.

[GakunGak]

Back in the mid-80's I flew air tours over the Canyon out of Boulder City. Although I never strayed into restricted airspace I could hear A/C that did and they were most often driven off by the fast movers.
Fast movers?
Say again?:o

[waste gate]

Back in the mid-80's I flew air tours over the Canyon out of Boulder City. Although I never strayed into restricted airspace I could hear A/C that did and they were most often driven off by the fast movers.
Fast movers?
Say again?:o

Fast movers.

[GakunGak]

Back in the mid-80's I flew air tours over the Canyon out of Boulder City. Although I never strayed into restricted airspace I could hear A/C that did and they were most often driven off by the fast movers.
Fast movers?
Say again?:o

Fast movers.
Like fighter interceptors, F-15's, UFO's?
Be specific!:huh:

[waste gate]

Back in the mid-80's I flew air tours over the Canyon out of Boulder City. Although I never strayed into restricted airspace I could hear A/C that did and they were most often driven off by the fast movers.
Fast movers?
Say again?:o

Fast movers.
Like fighter interceptors, F-15's, UFO's?
Be specific!:huh:

F-4s. Those big J79s could be seen from far off.

[GakunGak]

The Phanotm?
Wow....
What happened then?:rock:

[waste gate]

As far as I know nothing ever happened. I assume that the pilots turned away from the restricted airspace and landed without incident.

[GakunGak]

Must be a hell of an experience....
That Groom Lake is twitching me even more now...:yep:

[Skybird]

http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ufo-13.jpg

Skybird locked on target :lol:

[waste gate]

Must be a hell of an experience....
That Groom Lake is twitching me even more now...:yep:

Back then it was Tonopah.

[GakunGak]

Must be a hell of an experience....
That Groom Lake is twitching me even more now...:yep:

Back then it was Tonopah.
Just saw that alien interview [google video link above] and I still don't know what to think of it. IT could be real, but what of the mainstream series of X-Files?
How would that be allowed for production as the things are similar...:hmm:
Wicked...

[waste gate]

Must be a hell of an experience....
That Groom Lake is twitching me even more now...:yep:

Back then it was Tonopah.
but what of the mainstream series of X-Files?


Because the X-Files are TV fiction. Dovetails well, don't you think?

[GakunGak]

Compare the aliens between X Files and this interview....:yep:
Could it be another hoax?:huh:

[Camaero]

Area 51 is nothing anymore. All the hip kids have moved on to Area 47 - In fact, no one even knows if it exists or, if it does, where it exists. It might not even exist on this planet. In fact, it might exist only in a 3/4 dimension known as Foo. The Russians and the Chinese have been trying to unlock the secrets of 47 for a long time now, but know one knows if they have been successful. I once heard a rumor that in order to get to 47, you had to take peyote while jumping into a massive whirlpool that appears south west of the Marshall Islands only on a full moon, and once every 2 and 3/4 years. It is said that you had to let the whirling mass of water take you to the bottom, and only there could you find it. The people at Foo are said to welcome any who are able to make it, even if they're a Russian! The secrets of everything are thought to be there. Now I don't know for sure, but I think it's very possible that these people, who live at 47, have actually discovered what goes on in woman’s minds! That last part is not based on fact however, just something I pondered.

Earlier this year, top scientists working for NASA saw a glimpse of Foo while searching for new planets. It was hushed up by the U.S. government of course, as the knowledge of Foo can never be allowed to fall into public hands. It is still unclear how exactly these scientists were able to see Foo, but possible explanations have come from theologists from all over the world. Dr. Makovovich claims that when NASA looked deep into the universe, they caught a quick glimpse of untime, which allowed them to see the truth. Untime has been known for years throughout the scientific community. Untime is now, tomorrow, and yesterday. Time is nothing.

Another scientist, Professor Hamilton, has said time and time again that Area 47, also known as Foo, does not exist, it just is. He explains further by saying, "Area 47 can not be, but it is.".

Believe who you will, but just know, Foo is not here, and Foo is here to stay.

I hope I have enlightened each and every one of you Subsimers. :stare:

[GakunGak]

So, If I dig it right, Area 51 should not be of any interest anymore due to it's secrecy compromised?:ping:

[P_Funk]

So, If I dig it right, Area 51 should not be of any interest anymore due to it's secrecy compromised?:ping:
Or maybe that's what they want you to believe.:doh:

I remember though seeing some show that dealt with Lockheed Martin or something like that. All I can remember is one guy who said he knew the former head of the Skunkworks before he died and he said that that guy once told him something to the effect of "you have no idea what we have down there. Stuff thats 50 years ahead of today". Something like that. To me thats more fascinating and compelling than the whole alien idea. I mean if I could have 1 hour to run around unhindered in one place in the world it would probably the the skunkworks. Who knows whats going on in there.

[Letum]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.

[Camaero]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.

Ignorance is such a shame. :nope:

[GakunGak]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.

Ignorance is such a shame. :nope:
In the Matrix, the guy at the dinner with Agent Smith said:
Ignorance is bliss...:nope:

[robbo180265]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.

Ignorance is such a shame. :nope:
In the Matrix, the guy at the dinner with Agent Smith said:
Ignorance is bliss...:nope:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[GakunGak]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.

Ignorance is such a shame. :nope:
In the Matrix, the guy at the dinner with Agent Smith said:
Ignorance is bliss...:nope:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
One more time...
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NKnq9tgDLSYoeM:http://www.aldenkahn.com/akkohq/images/ignor.jpg:lol: :lol:

[P_Funk]

Area 89 is so secret that it has no material existence what so ever.

America refuses to acknowledge it, despite my many letters.
Ignorance is such a shame. :nope: In the Matrix, the guy at the dinner with Agent Smith said:
Ignorance is bliss...:nope:
Yes the Wachowski brothers really are philosophers.

Thomas Gray is rolling in his taughty grave. Oh the irony.

[August]

Chock, you are wicked, you know that?:rotfl:

Says the dude who starts an Area 51 thread.

[Smaragdadler]

...ggggzzz...zzzrr ..
Achtung!
Thzis iz thze beginning of thze end
for you and me
Thze black light of thze univerze illuminates thze inner world
open your eyez - thze 68 dimen-zions...
Thzis is thze stain where thze shadow of
thze secret knowledge darken thze reality.
Asczentain thze traces of thze past.
Thzey could show you thze way to thze light.
All iz one! Breathze thze energy!
Feel thze pulse ov thze univerze!
Convoke thze power az a part of thze law!
Fall! Rise! Rise! Fall!
Thiz iz a dream
and thiz is thze end of thze
beginning
[transmission fades]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6ZBxeb8Wk

http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Aliens/jawa-001.gif

http://www.jonastal-online.de/images/52_05_01.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4oVOA5cvw&mode=related&search=

[GakunGak]

Yikes, now the nazis?

[Iceman]

I would have thought years ago this is most likley where aircraft like the Blackbird and the Stealth got they're starts.....Many of you guys probably don't realize how damn hott and generally unfriendly to hang around in the dessert is....it's flipping hott around these parts pretty much all the time and barren and lonely.

http://www.cyberallies.com/support/nfphpbb/images/smiles/icon_sunny.gif http://www.cyberallies.com/support/nfphpbb/images/smiles/angryfire.gifhttp://www.cyberallies.com/support/nfphpbb/images/smiles/violent5.gif

To stay out they're in hopes of seeing something would really be tough....I have spoken with hobos/homeless people who have been through that area and claim to have seen the stealth in those early years which would not surprise me anyway....the dessert has brought out some nasty things.....New-Mexico for the bomb...Mesa AZ for the Apache....and Nevada for....? who knows.....You would think stuff like that would have moved to huge underground test facilites by now....God knows my Government has spent enough of my money I would hope they have some private test sites still that are'nt tourist attractions...If the military was smart they would abandon it and turn it into the most awesome wax musem/fun house/amusement park around...called Out Of This World.... lol :) and re-coup some cash.

P.S. sorry Neal..I wonder what secrets come from Texas....hmmm - WEST SIDE!

[Skybird]

Currently not caring for secret areas and UFOs anymore. Years back I have read quite some material on such things, but no matter if pro or contra - whatever somebody claimed somewhere at some time, sombebody else claimed the the opposite in another place, and at some different time. I then decided to let it rest, refusing to form an opinion on wether UFOs and Aliens exist in man's sphere, or not. Consider the issue to be on stand-by mode for me, waiting for new information input -and I mean NEW.

On a different level, secret research areas are one thing, but far more interesting are the parallels between older local mythologies, and modern "observations" of Aliens, and the situational conditions under which these where described to have taken place. I take note of it - but still refuse to make any conclusions: neither concluding from observations on mythology, nor from mythology on observations.

[KevinB]

Some years ago I read of a report called "the Dulce Wars", in Dulce New Mexico 1979 where there was reported (allegedly) a "battle" between the Grays and Delta Force. The Delta Force lost 79 of their men.

Apparently there are many levels in Dulce where there is a level 7 which is called Nightmare Hall. Strange creatures and multi legged anomalies.

I don't know what to make of all this but there have been many eye witnesses who say there are strange goings on in the town even today.

(I think it was less than 79 men, more like 31).

[Smaragdadler]

Best latest book from this genre:
http://www.amazon.com/SS-Brotherhood-Bell-Nasas-Majic-12/dp/1931882614/ref=sr_1_1/002-4351332-9064006?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181645091&sr=8-1

[Skybird]

I recommend to pay more attention to this man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee

Summary:


In the mid-1960s, like many other UFO researchers, Vallée initially attempted to validate the popular Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_hypothesis) (or ETH). However, by 1969, his conclusions had changed, and he publicly stated that this hypothesis was untenable.
Dr. Vallée began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, cults (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult), religious movements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_movement), angels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel), ghosts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost), cryptid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptid) sightings, and psychic phenomena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_phenomena). These links were first detailed in Vallee's third UFO book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers.
As an alternative to the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis, Vallée has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis. This hypothesis represents an extension of the ETH where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time, and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected.
Vallée's opposition to the popular ETH hypothesis was not well received by mainstream U.S. ufologists, hence he was viewed as something of an outcast. Indeed, Vallée refers to himself as a "heretic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy) among heretics".
Vallée's opposition to the ETH theory is summarised in his paper, "Five Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying Objects," Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1990:
"Scientific opinion has generally followed public opinion in the belief that unidentified flying objects either do not exist (the "natural phenomena hypothesis") or, if they do, must represent evidence of a visitation by some advanced race of space travellers (the extraterrestrial hypothesis or "ETH"). It is the view of the author that research on UFOs need not be restricted to these two alternatives. On the contrary, the accumulated data base exhibits several patterns tending to indicate that UFOs are real, represent a previously unrecognized phenomenon, and that the facts do not support the common concept of "space visitors." Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:

unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives."(...)

Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, which is partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.
Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée cannot say who or what is behind this scheme, only that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of psychotronic technology. It is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFO's is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.

(...)

Vallée is often highly critical of UFO investigators overall, both believers and sceptics, asserting that what often passes for an acceptable level of investigation in a UFO context would be considered sloppy and seriously inadequate investigation in other fields. He has written pointing out logical flaws and methodological flaws common in such research. Unlike many critics of UFO investigative efforts, his critiques are not condescending and dismissive and he indicates that he is simply interested in good science.
(markings in bold by me)

I can associate myself more with this man than with other authors. Recommended readings "Dimensions", "Confrontations", "Revelations".

The figure of Valée is featured in Spielberg "Close Encounter", where his character was played by Francois Truffaut"

[StdDev]

I thought the subject had been resolved back in 1979!!!

http://media.putfile.com/SNL-19790224-Weekend-Update

[GakunGak]

I thought the subject had been resolved back in 1979!!!

http://media.putfile.com/SNL-19790224-Weekend-Update
The video is awesome!
UFO=>Good Year!:rotfl: