Powell Urges Gitmo Closure

[Heibges]

From the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6739745.stm

From MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19153972/

Slightly different focus from Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280457,00.html

[The Avon Lady]

They can move in with Paris. :p

[GakunGak]

I'm with Colin on this one...
Guantanamo should be closed and not opened again!:damn:

[Chock]

How much make up does Colin Powell have on in that picture on the first link?!!

He looks like he's made out of foam rubber in that shot (compare his face with his hands).

:D Chock

[GakunGak]

How much make up does Colin Powell have on in that picture on the first link?!!

He looks like he's made out of foam rubber in that shot (compare his face with his hands).

:D Chock
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43032000/jpg/_43032227_powell1_ap203b.jpg
You mean his lipstick?:lol:

[Happy Times]

They can move in with Paris. :p

You are sadistic..

[GakunGak]

They can move in with Paris. :p

You are sadistic..
I wouldn't complain....:lol:

[robbo180265]

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French;)

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

[waste gate]

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French;)

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate.

[Heibges]

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French;)

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate.

I almost agree. I think it is an intelligence issue, and not a military issue.

[robbo180265]

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?


"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

[tenakha]

Everyone should have the right to a fair trial, every man is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around...

[waste gate]

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?


"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

That we discuss the issue says we are treating those in GTMO in a civilized manner. If the US had rejected the ideal of "Truth and Justice" the GTMO detainees would be dead. No one would have know they even existed. End of the discussion.

By contrast look at Germany, the Soviet Union, Argentina. Not 'til after the fact is any discussion existant.

[GakunGak]

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?


"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

That we discuss the issue says we are treating those in GTMO in a civilized manner. If the US had rejected the ideal of "Truth and Justice" the GTMO detainees would be dead. No one would have know they even existed. End of the discussion.

By contrast look at Germany, the Soviet Union, Argentina. Not 'til after the fact is any discussion existant.
Some represent it as a hotel with 5 stars...:damn:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1766037.stm

[GakunGak]

Here's the vacation for ya, fellas:
http://www.infowars.net/pictures/feb07/080207gitmo2.jpghttp://www.infowars.net/pictures/feb07/080207gitmo.jpg
So much for human right at camp delta...

[waste gate]

I would not begin to argue that GTMO is a luxury resort. But it is certainly not worse than where some of the detainees come from, nor better than the conditions under which Paris Hilton is being detained.

Perspective fellas.

[GakunGak]

http://infowars.net/pictures/march06/060306detainees.jpg
So, this is better than Germany/Soviet Russia?:hmm:

[GakunGak]

I would not begin to argue that GTMO is a luxury resort. But it is certainly not worse than where some of the detainees come from, nor better than the conditions under which Paris Hilton is being detained.

Perspective fellas.
We agree to disagree....:lol:
Just kidding....:yep:

[robbo180265]

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?


"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

That we discuss the issue says we are treating those in GTMO in a civilized manner. If the US had rejected the ideal of "Truth and Justice" the GTMO detainees would be dead. No one would have know they even existed. End of the discussion.

By contrast look at Germany, the Soviet Union, Argentina. Not 'til after the fact is any discussion existant.

Could you do me a favour and read the first line of my reply again,the bit about possible INNOCENT detainies?
Just because you think they're being detained in a civilized mannor (and for all we know they may be - although the press and former detainees seem to think different) Does not make being detained without access to a lawyer or a trial right - does it?

A prison like this I'd expect to find in Communist Russia under Joe Stalin,not under American control in Cuba.

[waste gate]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

[Letum]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............


These are not POWs.
I have no heard from any source that they will be released at the end of the American occupation of their country. Do you have a source for that?

[waste gate]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............


These are not POWs.
I have no heard from any source that they will be released at the end of the American occupation of their country. Do you have a source for that?

I said the end of hostilities.

Not POWs? Detainees then. I'll call them whatever you wish. Either way they will not be released until the end of hostilities.

[P_Funk]

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate. You make a few assumptions here to justify your point. You insist that it was the softy Clinton's fault for 9/11. But bymany accounts the Clinton Administration was tracking the 9/11 attacks and tried to get the Bush Administration to follow it up but weren't taken serioiusly.

Secondly what war? Who declared war and who is it against? You can't create a state of war where there is no concrete enemy, no country to attack, or conditon of victory. In the name of a war that is so vague and indefinite you could justify anything. But if it is indeed justifiable, why do they need to hide all of this in some country thats not a democratic haven? If its so legitimate then it should be justifiable on native soil. But since it is not then it obvioiusly conflicts with everything that the USA stands for. If the US were actually at war (which technically hasn't been true since Korea, though someone told me recently apparently that even then the US didn't declare) then those measures wouldbe justifiable AT HOME. In Canada we call this "War Measures". And even then alleged torture is still forbidden by ratified international law. The US signed them and is bound by them. So it is a dual logic. No state of war in actuality but a phantom one that is meant to frighten all dissent away.

[waste gate]

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate. You make a few assumptions here to justify your point. You insist that it was the softy Clinton's fault for 9/11. But bymany accounts the Clinton Administration was tracking the 9/11 attacks and tried to get the Bush Administration to follow it up but weren't taken serioiusly.

Secondly what war? Who declared war and who is it against? You can't create a state of war where there is no concrete enemy, no country to attack, or conditon of victory. In the name of a war that is so vague and indefinite you could justify anything. But if it is indeed justifiable, why do they need to hide all of this in some country thats not a democratic haven? If its so legitimate then it should be justifiable on native soil. But since it is not then it obvioiusly conflicts with everything that the USA stands for. If the US were actually at war (which technically hasn't been true since Korea, though someone told me recently apparently that even then the US didn't declare) then those measures wouldbe justifiable AT HOME. In Canada we call this "War Measures". And even then alleged torture is still forbidden by ratified international law. The US signed them and is bound by them. So it is a dual logic. No state of war in actuality but a phantom one that is meant to frighten all dissent away.


All very good words P-Funk, unfortunately, they do not recognize the new reality. When they dump a bomb on your world you will see. Towing the DU line doesn't make you correct, only niave.

[robbo180265]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

[waste gate]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

[Heibges]

Actually, they are enemy non-uniformed combatants which in the past means they would have been summarily executed.

The Germans shot thousands of Russian Partisans.
Allies shot the Werewolves in Germany.
Japanese shot Philliphino partisans.
Americans shot the saboteurs that were landed by uboat on the East Coast during WWII.
The English attempted to exterminate the Boers.

Bush made a huge mistake calling this a war in the first place. It should have been handled in a low-key manner by the CIA, like the Mossad handled the Munich situation.

[robbo180265]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars?

A,WTF?
B,Answer my question

[P_Funk]

All very good words P-Funk, unfortunately, they do not recognize the new reality. When they dump a bomb on your world you will see. Towing the DU line doesn't make you correct, only niave. More of the same. Some new world order that just appeared overnight that undoes 200+ years of republic building, right?:p

[Heibges]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

[waste gate]

[quote=waste gate]Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?



No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's


But they were release at the end of hostilities, perhaps not immediately, but released non the less and not executed.

[robbo180265]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

[waste gate]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

You are right it would have been far easier to kill them and be done with it. That is my point. The US doesn't do that. Even to those who deserve it.

[robbo180265]

Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

You are right it would have been far easier to kill them and be done with it. That is my point. The US doesn't do that. Even to those who deserve it.

And you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't trust America?
With attitudes like that ...............

[waste gate]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

[GakunGak]

Torture Applause and "Double Guantanamo"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BN5nFt1SDQ:damn:

[robbo180265]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

[GakunGak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiFfQPhe80
Another video to see...

[GakunGak]

Turistas 2: The Other Side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wbt5Ckzwp8

[waste gate]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

[robbo180265]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

Personal attacks?
Very grown up

[GakunGak]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

Personal attacks?
Very grown up
I'm with robbo on this one.
Waste Gate, take it easy, man, this is a discussion, a forum.:know:

[bradclark1]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.
You need to grow up waste gate!!!

[waste gate]

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.

[waste gate]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.
You need to grow up waste gate!!!

I think I have grown up and that is what bothers you.

[GakunGak]

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.
You need to grow up waste gate!!!

I think I have grown up and that is what bothers you.
I think what he was trying to say was you hafta respect other's opinion so they gonna respect U!:|\\

[robbo180265]

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.

Funny I was hoping for an apology,not another personal attack.

Ah well.....

[GakunGak]

The pic rocks!!!!!!!!:rock:

[waste gate]

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.

Funny I was hoping for an apology,not another personal attack.

Ah well.....

I don't apologize for the truth. Nor do I retreat in the face of foolishness at the expense of the real world.

[P_Funk]

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.
What he really means to say is that he doesn't want to actually tell you in intellectual terms why you're wrong. Instead he's taking the "high road" of telling you that you are an idiot and that your parents raised you to be an idiot and that your country is run by idiots.

Very grown up waste gate, don't address the argument, just the person making it. No matter how you word it its still... wait for it... wait for it... AD HOMINEM!

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/Threadsig.jpg

[fatty]

I would offer some wise words of encouragement to get back on topic and make us all friends again... but... I.B.T.L.

[waste gate]

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.
What he really means to say is that he doesn't want to actually tell you in intellectual terms why you're wrong. Instead he's taking the "high road" of telling you that you are an idiot and that your parents raised you to be an idiot and that your country is run by idiots.

Very grown up waste gate, don't address the argument, just the person making it. No matter how you word it its still... wait for it... wait for it... AD HOMINEM!

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I stand on what I wrote.

[robbo180265]

In this part you insult my country:

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

In this part my parents:

"I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are".

Just incase you forget what you've written.

If you were in a pub with me right now I'd kick the sh#t out of you, just for insulting my parents alone.

You are a nasty piece of work Wastgate

[waste gate]

In this part you insult my country:

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

In this part my parents:

"I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are".

Just incase you forget what you've written.

If you were in a pub with me right now I'd kick the sh#t out of you, just for insulting my parents alone.

You are a nasty piece of work Wastgate

Now, perhaps, you understand.

[Tchocky]

Tak, Gizz

[waste gate]

Tak, Gizz

I take no offense to robbo180265 comment. No punishment of robbo180265 is required or requested from my point of view.

[cobalt]

could you be any more brainwashed waste gate?

[waste gate]

could you be any more brainwashed waste gate?

Of course I could be if I had someone to pay my mortgage, insurance, utilities and food for me. Not to mention gas, taxes, shall I go on? If I lived off the hard work of others I guess I could be more brainwashed.

Thanks for reminding me.

[P_Funk]

could you be any more brainwashed waste gate?
Of course I could be if I had someone to pay my mortgage, insurance, utilities and food for me. Not to mention gas, taxes, shall I go on? If I lived off the hard work of others I guess I could be more brainwashed.

Thanks for reminding me. What does that have to do with the matter at hand? Or is it just your dismissive views rearing their heads unkept by your appearance of logic? If I oppose gitmo I must be a pinko commie lay about.

Really waste gate you lose yourself and as a result your tenuous argument becomes even more hard to understand.

[waste gate]

could you be any more brainwashed waste gate?
Of course I could be if I had someone to pay my mortgage, insurance, utilities and food for me. Not to mention gas, taxes, shall I go on? If I lived off the hard work of others I guess I could be more brainwashed.

Thanks for reminding me. What does that have to do with the matter at hand? Or is it just your dismissive views rearing their heads unkept by your appearance of logic? If I oppose gitmo I must be a pinko commie lay about.

Really waste gate you lose yourself and as a result your tenuous argument becomes even more hard to understand.

It is hard to stay on topic when my grasp of reality is attacked. Not to mention the swarm tactics which is used by those who don't have to make their own way in the world; either by immaturity of age or 'the government will or should do everything for us' mentality.

Regarding the GTMO topic I suggest you look back in the thread and you will see my opinion.

[P_Funk]

It is hard to stay on topic when my grasp of reality is attacked. Not to mention the swarm tactics which is used by those who don't have to make their own way in the world; either by immaturity of age or 'the government will or should do everything for us' mentality. Lay off with the ad hominems. You really like to ride the holier than thou express. Maybe if you weren't so personal in your criticism you wouldn't get so much response. Slag a man's character, family, and country, directly and you're gonna attract some ire. You reap what you sow.

[waste gate]

ad hominems

That is your phrase today. Did you hear it on the TV? Hint, use it that often and it becomes ..... well you know, ad hominem.

[waste gate]

It is hard to stay on topic when my grasp of reality is attacked. Not to mention the swarm tactics which is used by those who don't have to make their own way in the world; either by immaturity of age or 'the government will or should do everything for us' mentality. Lay off with the ad hominems. You really like to ride the holier than thou express. Maybe if you weren't so personal in your criticism you wouldn't get so much response. Slag a man's character, family, and country, directly and you're gonna attract some ire. You reap what you sow.

No holier than thou. Reality. Start paying your own way in the world and you will see things in a different light.

[Gizzmoe]

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