When will the 'Turkey Shoot' begin?

[Jimbuna]

The temperature in the kitchen could be rising :hmm:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aoXpWTwSAPMA&refer=home

[CCIP]

Turkey Shoot? Nah. They'll mostly sink by ramming each other:

You just don't get 1,000 or 500 or even 20 of anything under way and tightly orchestrated over a large body of water to create a specific effect at a specific time and specific place.

[Jimbuna]

I'm kinda imagining those pilots and Aegis equipped ships running a league table around who can sink the most before lunch :lol:

[Skybird]

It amazes me time and again that people take the use of mines and missiles in a limited waterbody like the strait of hormuz so easy. If Iran wants to block the strait, then I am more sure that they accomplish that without the US NAVY being able to do much about that, than I am thinking that the Navy could prevent that. It is easier to lay mines, than to detect and avoid them. It is easier to fire missiles, than to intercept them. And in case of war everybody better assumes that they have some more modern missiles available than what intel currently projects. Silkworms only? Better think twice. Don't make the same mistake like the Israelis in Lebanon - they did not assume the Hezbollah do have such modern ATGMs as then were used. As a result, around 50 of their 400 participating tanks got taken out. also better expect the Iranians to adapt their tactics according to the technical capabilities of the Americans - or do you think Iran does not know that Navy ships have things like Aegis and Phalanx batteries?

My God, always repeating one and the same mistake time and again - underestimating the enemy. :roll:

[fatty]

It amazes me time and again that people take the use of mines and missiles in a limited waterbody like the strait of hormuz so easy. If Iran wants to block the strait, then I am more sure that they accomplish that without the US NAVY being able to do much about that, than I am thinking that the Navy could prevent that. It is easier to lay mines, than to detect and avoid them. It is easier to fire missiles, than to intercept them. And in case of war everybody better assumes that they have some more modern missiles available than what intel currently projects. Silkworms only? Better think twice. Don't make the same mistake like the Israelis in Lebanon - they did not assume the Hezbollah do have such modern ATGMs as then were used. As a result, around 50 of their 400 participating tanks got taken out. also better expect the Iranians to adapt their tactics according to the technical capabilities of the Americans - or do you think Iran does not know that Navy ships have things like Aegis and Phalanx batteries?

My God, always repeating one and the same mistake time and again - underestimating the enemy. :roll:

Skybird for President :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Jimbuna]

Which country? :hmm:
America or Iran? :lol:

[AntEater]

I am not sure wether the military of both sides actually makes that mistake.
US planners surely learned their lessons from the Israelis in Lebanon, just as the Iranians did from the Hezbollah.
Iran's propaganda surely is underestimating the US just as well as the forum posters here underestimate Iran, but that's what propganda is there for.

Problem is, Iran might expect a 100:1 exchange rate against them. Sinking an Aegis cruiser would be a huge victory.
I am not even sure the US Navy would really risk a forced crossing of the Hormuz strait in wartime. All relevant targets could be struck well from outside the gulf and from Iraq.
Except for symbolic value, a straits crossing would serve no purpose except for to give the iranians the opportunity to score a victory against the USN.
As an old Harpooner, I would keep my carriers safely parked in blue waters and strike from there. The USN is just not ready yet for the challenge to actually enter littorial waters.

[Jimbuna]

Did you play Harpoon? :o

I've still got The Admirals Edition :up:

[Heibges]

I am not sure wether the military of both sides actually makes that mistake.
US planners surely learned their lessons from the Israelis in Lebanon, just as the Iranians did from the Hezbollah.
Iran's propaganda surely is underestimating the US just as well as the forum posters here underestimate Iran, but that's what propganda is there for.

Problem is, Iran might expect a 100:1 exchange rate against them. Sinking an Aegis cruiser would be a huge victory.
I am not even sure the US Navy would really risk a forced crossing of the Hormuz strait in wartime. All relevant targets could be struck well from outside the gulf and from Iraq.
Except for symbolic value, a straits crossing would serve no purpose except for to give the iranians the opportunity to score a victory against the USN.
As an old Harpooner, I would keep my carriers safely parked in blue waters and strike from there. The USN is just not ready yet for the challenge to actually enter littorial waters.

I think the lesson of trying to use tanks in that kind of environment starts in Stalingrad and the Hedgerow Country.

Old Hyman Rickover is up in heavan saying, "and this is why I said the surface navy is obsolete". If it is vulnerable to a country like Iran, what would happen if we fought a trade war against the EU?