Windows Vista sales about half of what XP was

[SUBMAN1]

That is if you use real world numbers. In further testing, I pulled out an Acer 4400 laptop (Has a AMD 64 Turion ML-30 CPU, and an ATI x700 graphics card) and started using that as my promary laptop, and I still don't like it. Actaully, I'm digging for something to like incase anyone cares. So far, I'm coming up short.

I solved my VPN problems by finding a Beta driver (won't be ready till August or so) as a crutch. It works OK, but has the ability to crash the whole laptop back to completely rebooting - scary. I didn't think you were supposed to be able to do this on Vista? Guess that has been proven wrong now.

-S

Analyzing Microsoft's Windows Vista sales claims
Is Windows Vista being received as favorably as Microsoft suggests? In a news release yesterday, the company said it sold more than 20 million Windows Vista licenses in the first month of availability, more than twice the initial sales of Windows XP. Microsoft said the numbers reflected "broad interest" in Windows Vista's features.
But as P-I reporter Dan Richman noted in his story this morning, the PC market has grown by a similar rate between then and now. That, by itself, would lead to a natural increase in Windows sales. From the story:
Given that the personal-computer market has nearly doubled since Windows XP launched, Windows Vista sales "probably should be more," said Michael Silver, vice president of research at Gartner, a technology research group. The analyst said 51 million PCs were sold to consumers worldwide in 2002. This year, the research group predicts 96 million consumers will buy a computer. Meanwhile, Joe Wilcox of Microsoft Watch offers several additional reasons to question Microsoft's claims. He writes: "By my accounting, Vista is actually off to a slower start than Windows XP, using real world comparisons."



http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/113205.asp

[Godalmighty83]

iam not installing that bloat ware until no game comes out thats xp compatible.

not helped by the rip-off prices.

[Camaero]

I have heard no reason to install it. I hate to think that some of my games or programs won't work anymore. Why spend the money when XP works ok?

[Chock]

By all accounts Vista's replacement is well under way, and it would not be the first time an MS OS has had a short shelf life, cough....ME .... cough. I only got Vista via it being installed on a computer I bought recently, as I needed to know what it was like since I train people on computers occasionally for a living, but there was no way I was going to pay nearly 200 quid for it!

Still if you happen to be one of those survivalist types with their own fall-out shelter filled with enough beef jerky to hold-out for 20 years when civilisation fails, you'll appreciate Vista's paranoid default security levels :rotfl:

Computer: 'Vista has detected that you don't want to do that'
Me: 'Yes I do, I'm the administrator'
Computer: 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that'
Me: 'What?!! But it's my computer! I'm gonna rip your RAM out!'
Computer 'Stop, Dave, I am a HAL 900 computer, Daisy, daisy....
etc.

:D Chock

[Camaero]

By all accounts Vista's replacement is well under way, and it would not be the first time an MS OS has had a short shelf life, cough....ME .... cough. I only got Vista via it being installed on a computer I bought recently, as I needed to know what it was like since I train people on computers occasionally for a living, but there was no way I was going to pay nearly 200 quid for it!

Still if you happen to be one of those survivalist types with their own fall-out shelter filled with enough beef jerky to hold-out for 20 years when civilisation fails, you'll appreciate Vista's paranoid default security levels :rotfl:

Computer: 'Vista has detected that you don't want to do that'
Me: 'Yes I do, I'm the administrator'
Computer: 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that'
Me: 'What?!! But it's my computer! I'm gonna rip your RAM out!'
Computer 'Stop, Dave, I am a HAL 900 computer, Daisy, daisy....
etc.

:D Chock
:rotfl:

[Skybird]

The lower the sales numbers, the stronger the message taught to Microsoft.

If I were a millionaire with much money to waste, I would give people free payments if they do not buy it. :D

[Letum]

I swiched to Linux (ubuntu) last week. Still got XP and win 98 installed, but Im useing linux for most of my work now. :up:

[bookworm_020]

When Dell put an option to have XP installed on some computers instead of vista, that should have been a warning. The fact that they are looking at puting an option of Linux should be telling them that people aren't happy, and they need to do something about it.

I'll stick with XP for as long as I can, I still prefer my Apple G4 laptop:D

I'll now get of my soapbox:smug:

[kiwi_2005]

New Zealand vista prices:

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32 bit DVD $325

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit DVDROM OEM $321

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit DVDROM OEM or Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit DVDROM - $310

At the time of Windows XP Pro coming out prices were - $600 - 670

[P_Funk]

I tried Vista extensively during the Beta phase and wasn't impressed too much. The desktop effects are all just Mac rip offs and if I am that desperate for some kind of 3D BS I'll just load up Sabayon Linux which comes pre laoded with 3D stuff that rivals MacOSX.

I myself prefer a dual install machine. Windows XP and SuSe 10.2. The only reason I even use windows is because I'm a game addict and even that might not be a good reason to stick with XP if Linux keeps developing. There isn't a single thing on Vista or XP that Linux can't do except gaming. And the irony there is that that is a market monopoly thing. Many games are made in Linux machines and the vast majority of movie CGI is on Linux based workstations.

Windows is a lame duck and its only a matter of time before either M$ reforms their useless sh1tty ways or Linux and Mac supplant them. But I emphasize a long term view in this. Getting half my friends to try Firefox was a real nail pulling experience. The stupid twats were so conformist and scared of change that they couldnt even say why they wouldn't try it. "I don't feel like it".:rotfl:

Stupid sheep.

[SUBMAN1]

I just got off the line with my rep at CompUSA and he says only a couple businesses have even bothered buying trial copies. He could count on his fingers the amount of copies he has sold so far. Bascially he is telling me that no one is buying it.

This leads me to beleive that all new sales are almost all associated with die hard consumers or brand new PC sales.

-S

[JSLTIGER]

I just got off the line with my rep at CompUSA and he says only a couple businesses have even bothered buying trial copies. He could count on his fingers the amount of copies he has sold so far. Bascially he is telling me that no one is buying it.

This leads me to beleive that all new sales are almost all associated with die hard consumers or brand new PC sales.

-S

Or those people like me who are building a new system and see the opportunity to get Vista Home Premium for $20 less than XP Pro (which I'm really hoping I won't regret).

[Jimbuna]

I have heard no reason to install it. I hate to think that some of my games or programs won't work anymore. Why spend the money when XP works ok?

My sentiments entirely :yep:

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/1178379247104.jpg

[Camaero]

This is a long, boring read, but if you like that sort of thing then here:

"A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

[NefariousKoel]

Vista RC2 wouldn't load up a relative's USB Smartphone drivers the other day. After digging around a bit.. Microsoft's KB said I had to go in and modify the .inf driver install file.

Thanks Vista, you piece of sh*t. :rock:

[P_Funk]

To me Vista seems like progress for progress' sake. The economic directive of all these corporations is to sell and keep selling. OSX is looking pretty spiffy and most Linux distros are way better looking than XP by far. So Microsoft needed to plug a new product to keep their market share buying. Vista is just a desperate grab at competing with M$'s much more competent rivals.

I still think XP is a pile of crap. It works but it gets so bloated so fast. I end up reinstalling it every few months at least because I game alot, install lots of new programs, and also XP doesn't sit well on a multi boot system with Linux. But Vista... :roll:

I don't even really understand what it does. Better security? I get that fine with 3rd party firewalls and virus scanners on XP. Software compatibility is crap at this point. So is driver compatibility. Compared to XP its a real system hog and with worse performance. I can't make lemonade with that.

[Camaero]

Microsoft would be my hero if they just released something with no frills; just a pure, built for speed OS. Nothing for people who just bought their first computer or anything. It wouldn't be hard... in fact much easier!

[P_Funk]

Microsoft would be my hero if they just released something with no frills; just a pure, built for speed OS. Nothing for people who just bought their first computer or anything. It wouldn't be hard... in fact much easier!
Yea but... since when do Americans want to buy an economically sensible, high milage, modest piece of social symbolism?

People want flash, they want miracles, and they want it all without any effort whatsoever.

Besides, the open source community owns the simple, well built, unfrilly market. Macs own the useless word processing, over built, underused, pretty white clear plastic market. Microsoft owns that part of the market that still buys cars made by Pontiac.

[bradclark1]

I think XP is solid with the exception of boot up time. With my 100GB laptop and SP3 it takes over seven minutes from flicking the switch before the drive light goes out. Thats with the start-ups etc pared down.

[P_Funk]

I think XP is solid with the exception of boot up time. With my 100GB laptop and SP3 it takes over seven minutes from flicking the switch before the drive light goes out. Thats with the start-ups etc pared down. Solid is a relative term. I find XP very easy to corrupt. Many times its just gone haywire for no good reason. XP definitely isn't a performance OS. It works fine if you keep it down to 40 kph but it really drags if its been installed for a few months.

Everytime I reinstall it it runs beautifully fast and takes something like a minute to boot fully. But within a week its already getting bloated with longer loading times and sluggish reactions. Defragging and all that helps some but its just overall a very inefficient program. Its like a glass tower. It looks pretty but you can topple it with a few minor errors or corrupt core files. It isn't compartmentalized like Linux or as truly solid as OSX.

Thats just my experience anyway. It does work alot but it just fails so spectacularly sometimes.

[SUBMAN1]

I've had machines running XP for years and they don't drag. Defrag your HD once in a while. Might help your issue of it begining to drag. On Vista however, it is just basically XP at an evolutionary step. I draw very many similarities to 98SE and ME. That is the difference between the XP and Vista.

I am sick of programs having 'known compatibility problems' in Vista however. Even this morning, I figured I'd load up my favorite version of Power DVD - but NO! You can't do that! It doesn't work with Vista! You need to get the latest version to work with Vista! I want my older version, not the new version because the old version when it takes screenshots it will capture subtitles and menu selections on screen. THe new versions don't do that.

Uggh!

-S

[Heibges]

I think the business strategy behind Vista, even more than past MS OS' seems a lot like that of iTunes. Or maybe iTunes just copied the MS Business Model?

Gates and Jobs are chums again aren't they?

[SUBMAN1]

Uggh! Wanted to install Nero Express this morning to burn some CD's. It installs fine, but won't link to the burner! Looking online and there is no fix for it either (without buying a newer version), so chock up another app that won't run. Seems to be a daily occurance that I am getting tired of.

-S

[Konovalov]

My house is a Vista free zone and I plan on keeping it that way. Vista stinks.:down:

[SUBMAN1]

My advice if you want a Vista feel but still want the stbility and reliability of a mature OS - http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Themes/Universal-Vista-Inspirat-Brico-Pack.shtml

[SUBMAN1]

As I said daily program incompatibilities - today it is AdAware 2007. It runs, but before you can delete the items the scan finds, it crashes out before it finishes making it unusable.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Don't think you're safe from Update hell when using Vista either. It is not any more secure than XP.

Here is my latest update log. I count 40 updates:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/842/vistaupdatesuu9.gif

[fatty]

Don't think you're safe from Update hell when using Vista either. It is not any more secure than XP.

Here is my latest update log. I count 40 updates:


I only see ten actual security updates. Several updates there are not exploit-patching updates and are just routine downloads - malicious software removal tool, definition updates, and junk filter for example. And even more are for software other than Vista itself - you have a lot there for Office 2007. I think there are only actually four updates there for Vista security.

[kiwi_2005]

Don't think you're safe from Update hell when using Vista either. It is not any more secure than XP.

Here is my latest update log. I count 40 updates:



Man that is alot of updates, ive had Vista on now for little over a month and haven't had that many updates required.

Windows Malicous software removal tool - which i denied. Dont want that crap on my pc.
A few office 07 updates
Dreamscene update
Definition & security updates

About 10 all together.

[SUBMAN1]

Don't think you're safe from Update hell when using Vista either. It is not any more secure than XP.

Here is my latest update log. I count 40 updates:

I only see ten actual security updates. Several updates there are not exploit-patching updates and are just routine downloads - malicious software removal tool, definition updates, and junk filter for example. And even more are for software other than Vista itself - you have a lot there for Office 2007. I think there are only actually four updates there for Vista security.
The actual number is 22 that are Vista specific, with 14 being labled as important - and most of those 14 being security related. Just because they say it is for IE for example - that is the core of Vista and it is a Vista update! Kind of creative that they do that as a way to hide Vista vulnerabilities, but thats not the point. The point is you already half the patches as you have for XP, and with 40 total, you are still stuck in update hell. I thought this was expected to be a lot less on Vista??!! From what I am seeing, it is actually more on a month per month basis!

I'm blown away by the number of Office patches too for 2007 already.

-S

PS. Let me boot up an XP machine and count. I know its a lot more, but it is also several years worth - not months worth.

[JSLTIGER]

OK...so I'm now in my first week of using Vista, and I have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised...I like the OS a lot more than I thought I would, and I have to say that the memory hit is just not that bad. With FF running, I'm using 29% of my memory, not all that much more than the 25% I used to get with XP. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it so far.

P.S.: I like Aero...it's pretty slick.

[SUBMAN1]

Great! I need to use my Autocad LT 2005/2006 and it 'has known problems with Vista'! Is this never ending on what doesn't work with this software?

I need to do a drawing!!!! Ughhh!

Solution includes - upgrading 'again'. Upgrading a business user to Vista could be a multi thousand dollar affair it would seem. It is becoming that way with me!

-S