Battleship sinkings in WW2 (Info for GWX perhaps?)

[fair_weather]

Since I like Navy games and naval history, I've got a bunch of books on WW2 naval combat, best one I've got is "The World's Great Battleships". And a convientent thing it has is a table of all the battleships/battlecruisers sunk during the course of the war.

I'll be posting them in order of Nationality. And I'll be updating this list as I get them in...so bare with me...

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France:
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July 3rd, 1940
Bretagne (Battleship)
Sunk by: British Naval Gunfire, Mers-el-Kebir
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Nov. 27th, 1942
Dunkerque (Battleship)
Scuttled at: Toulon
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Nov. 27th, 1942
Provence (Battleship)
Scuttled at: Toulon
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Nov. 27th, 1942
Strasbourg (Battleship)
Scuttled at: Toulon
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June 9th, 1944
Courbet (Battleship)
Scuttled as breakwater, Normandy
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Germany:
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Dec. 17th, 1939
Admiral Graf Spee (Pocket Battleship)
Scuttled at: Montevideo
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May 27th, 1941
Bizmarck (Pocket Battleship)
Sunk by: gunfire and torpedoes, North Atlantic
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Dec. 26th, 1943
Scharnhorst (Battlecruiser)
Sunk by: gunfire and torpedoes off North Cape, Norway
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Mar. 28th, 1945
Gneisenau (Battlecruiser)
Scuttled at: Gdynia
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Apr. 9th, 1945
Admiral Scheer (Pocket Battleship)
Sunk by: Air attack, Kiel
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May 4th, 1945
Lutzow (Pocket Battleship)
Scuttled after air attack, Swinemunde
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Great Britain:
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Oct. 14th, 1939
Royal Oak (Battleship)
Sunk by: U-47 in Scapa Flow
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May 24th, 1941
Hood (Battlecruiser)
Sunk/Blown up by: Bizmark
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Nov. 25th, 1941
Barham (Battleship)
Sunk by: U-331 in Mediterranean
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Dec. 10th, 1941
Prince of Wales (Battleship)
Sunk by: Japanese Air attack off Malaya
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Dec. 10th, 1941
Repulse (Battlecruiser)
Sunk by: Japanese Air attack off Malaya
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Greece:
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Italy:
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Japan: (not required knowledge for SH3, but can be some bonus stuff over the radio :) )
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United States: (Again not required knowledge)
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USSR:
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[alamwuhk2a]

Bismarck is scuttled by her own crew, due to heavy damage, leakage of fuel, weapons out of order but still afloat. To prevent being captured, it is scuttled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttled

[Indiana_Jones]

Bismarck is scuttled by her own crew, due to heavy damage, leakage of fuel, weapons out of order but still afloat. To prevent being captured, it is scuttled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttled

Ah, the age old argument if she sank from the damage or scuttling :D

-Indy

[bigboywooly]

Interesting
We have no French BB's
The Ge units are already covered though - as posted above :up:

[Jimbuna]

Bismarck is scuttled by her own crew, due to heavy damage, leakage of fuel, weapons out of order but still afloat. To prevent being captured, it is scuttled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttled

Ah, the age old argument if she sank from the damage or scuttling :D

-Indy

I'll prescribe to the damage theory :yep: If she was in fact scuttled, would they have considered it if she hadn't been damaged? :hmm:
She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement :D

[bigboywooly]

Almost two hours had elapsed since the battle had begun, and the Bismarck had shown a formidable capacity of resistance. The British first struck Bismarck at 0902, and ceased fire around 1016. For 74 minutes, the Bismarck received a continuous hammering that no other warship could have taken. We need not forget that the Hood sank six minutes after the first German shells were fired only three days earlier. Moreover, neither the main belt nor the armour deck were seen to be penetrated during the combat, and in the end it was her own crew who scuttled the ship. During this last engagement 2,876 shells were fired at the Bismarck. They are itemised as follows:

380 of 40.6 cm from Rodney
339 of 35.6 cm from King George V
527 of 20.3 cm from Norfolk
254 of 20.3 cm from Dorsetshire
716 of 15.2 cm from Rodney
660 of 13.3 cm from King George Vhttp://www.kbismarck.com/operheini.html

[Jimbuna]

She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement

ALL FOUR main armament turrets were put out of action prior to her being scuttled :up:

[Ula Jolly]

Am I misreading this, or does it state that a French BB was bagged by.. The British?:-?

[bigboywooly]

Am I misreading this, or does it state that a French BB was bagged by.. The British?:-?

Yes you are reading it right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir

[_Seth_]

If she was in fact scuttled, would they have considered it if she hadn't been damaged? :hmm:
She was at the very least severely incapacitated as a result of a naval engagement :D
IMO, the "GRAF SPEE" was scuttled, since its sinking was a direct result of her own crew's intervention. The "Bismarck", if scuttled, was heavily damaged prior to sinking, and the damage had to be taken into consideration.. My opinion: I will agree with Jim's theory on this..:yep:

[Hakahura]

Ula Jolly

You did indeed read correctly. The Royal Navy sunk and damaged several French Battleships and Battlecruisers in port at Mers-el-Khebir, Algeria 3rd July 1940.

This was to prevent their capture by German forces following the fall of France.

The threat of these ships becoming part of the Kriegsmarine was too huge a threat for Winston Churchill to ignore. However when the French captains of these vessels received the Royal Navy's order to abandon ship before they being fired upon, they ignored this threat in disbelief. A great many French lives were regrettably lost.

A side benefit for Churchill was that this action demonstrated further to the neutral USA the British resolve to win the war with Germany at any cost.

[fair_weather]

Updated the list with Battleships of Great Britain.

06-03-2007 03:37 AM bigboywooly Interesting
We have no French BB's



Dunno what they'd look like though...I'll try and find some pictures of them.

[bigboywooly]

UBOAT234 was working on a Richeleiu ( sp )
Not sure what happened to that

[fair_weather]

Found some images and info on the French BBs.

Mind you...it's on Wikipedia...so...double check with a real source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Courbet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Provence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Bretagne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Dunkerque (Lots on info on this one)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Strasbourg

Hope that'll help a bit!

[bigboywooly]

The trouble is all those Fr BB's are scrap by 1940 bar a couple
No point building them really for such a short time in the war
Not that ppl wont have a go but apart from UB234 I dont think anyone else has attempted them

[KeptinCranky]

you forgot Tirpitz, repeatedly attacked, repaired, bombed, repaired again finally bombed and sunk at Tromso, Norway

[fair_weather]

Buh?

*looks over his book*

...well shoot...the book left it out!

...Hmmm...would it be my bad? Or the authors?

[CCIP]

If you want to add - the Soviets lost the battleship Marat to air attack (by famous Stuka ace Rudel, at that) on September 23, 1941 in the Gulf of Finalnd. It sunk in shallow water, and was raised in 1950 and used as a training vessel.

In 1944 their huge unifinished battleship Sovetskiy Soyuz (which was to displace over 60,000t), captured early in the war while still in construction, was broken up by the retreating Germans.

Otherwise the Soviet navy was by no means large in WWII. They had a rather impressive number of submarines, but not large surface ships.

[_Seth_]

you forgot Tirpitz, repeatedly attacked, repaired, bombed, repaired again finally bombed and sunk at Tromso, Norway:yep::yep::yep:

[zarj]

May 27th, 1941
Bizmarck (Pocket Battleship)
Sunk by: gunfire and torpedoes, North Atlantic

I don't think Bizmarck can really be regarded as a "pocket" battleship!

[tenakha]

May 27th, 1941
Bizmarck (Pocket Battleship)
Sunk by: gunfire and torpedoes, North Atlantic

I don't think Bizmarck can really be regarded as a "pocket" battleship!

unless you have really big pockets :p

[HunterICX]

If you want to add - the Soviets lost the battleship Marat to air attack (by famous Stuka ace Rudel, at that) on September 23, 1941 in the Gulf of Finalnd. It sunk in shallow water, and was raised in 1950 and used as a training vessel.

Rudel, I got his Stuka scale model (WIP)

in the little paper that came with the Iron model of Rudel it said that his attack on the Marat was a perfectly placed 1000 Kg bomb on her Bow.

even stalin hated him so much that he placed a 100,000 Ruble reward on his head , I kinda like this guy :up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel

[tenakha]

If you want to add - the Soviets lost the battleship Marat to air attack (by famous Stuka ace Rudel, at that) on September 23, 1941 in the Gulf of Finalnd. It sunk in shallow water, and was raised in 1950 and used as a training vessel.

Rudel, I got his Stuka scale model (WIP)

in the little paper that came with the Iron model of Rudel it said that his attack on the Marat was a perfectly placed 1000 Kg bomb on her Bow.

even stalin hated him so much that he placed a 100,000 Ruble reward on his head , I kinda like this guy :up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel


i have read his great autobiography prefaced by Pierre Closterman. Really a must read. (the title in french is "pilote de stuka", don't know the title in english)

[Jimbuna]

If you want to add - the Soviets lost the battleship Marat to air attack (by famous Stuka ace Rudel, at that) on September 23, 1941 in the Gulf of Finalnd. It sunk in shallow water, and was raised in 1950 and used as a training vessel.

Rudel, I got his Stuka scale model (WIP)

in the little paper that came with the Iron model of Rudel it said that his attack on the Marat was a perfectly placed 1000 Kg bomb on her Bow.

even stalin hated him so much that he placed a 100,000 Ruble reward on his head , I kinda like this guy :up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel


i have read his great autobiography prefaced by Pierre Closterman. Really a must read. (the title in french is "pilote de stuka", don't know the title in english)

Pilot Of Stuka :up: