Vista and Office 2007

[SUBMAN1]

I got this wild idea at work today (actually came out of boredom, but thats beside the point - and I have 10 copies of both Vista and Office 2007 Enterprise so I might as well try it out on something) to upgrade my main work machine to Vista and Office 2007. I ran the Beta's and the Beta's were more flash than substance, and it seems nothing has changed with the release version.

Anyway, I'll report on what I see later on. So far, I am un-impressed. Office 2007 is loading while I write this though, and that looks like a major change over Office 2003, so that may be worth the upgrade. Vista, so far, is not worth the upgrade.

-S

[ReallyDedPoet]

Vista, so far, is not worth the upgrade.



Yeah, sticking with XP for awhile :yep:

Yes

[Jimbuna]

Put Office 2007 in a couple of month back...tis a tad different from 2003 but you sharp cotton on to the differences.
Vista...yuk, no thanks....sticking with XP Pro till at least the end of this year.

[JSLTIGER]

I'm in the process of ordering parts for a system upgrade, and as I don't have an XP CD and Vista is $20 cheaper, I've decided to go with it...(32-bit version though).

[SUBMAN1]

This upgrade is starting to become extremely painful!!! :huh: :down: :down:

I loaded a simple old terminal emulator, it failed to install completley, and now upon reboot, Vista hangs at the welcome startup screen with its damn blue circle going around and round forever! What a POS OS!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

It won't even boot in safe mode! Going for my first Vistal repair install. nice.

-S:nope: :nope:

[SUBMAN1]

Well a restore worked. Now I'm back where I was before I installed my last driver. I guess its better than redoing the whole system.

[The Avon Lady]

All I can say is I received a new Dell Lattitude D820 notebook a few weeks ago, preloaded with Vista Business 32 bit. I installed Office 2003. No problems whatsoever, except that I could only get the MAILTO protocol to be assigned to MS Outlook by manually editing the Windows Registry (known problem).

I'm playing SH4 on this. Nothing but smooth sailing. :ahoy:

[SUBMAN1]

Well, I made the app work. I let it partially install and hang so that it at least wrote the registry keys, then copied over the installation from another installation off an XP box, changed the registry license key, pulled up an XP version of it and wrote the config files, and then transfered them into the Vista versions directory, and then pulled the dll's off an XP install and dropped them into Vista's System32 directory. It runs and is configured correctly and I hope I don't need to change the configuration because simply writing the file hangs the app in Vista, so I have to use an XP box and do it the hard way again.

Next I have to tackle VPN and I already know that my VPN appliance that I use requires a deterministic network driver be installed along with the VPN app on client systems. Red flags already anyone? Yeah - it won't install. Time to find a workaround like above.

-S

PS. To AL - I only wish I had to do only Word and the occasional game of SHIV! (insert much envy here) - But even you needed to use a hack to make something work!

[Ramius]

Sounds to me like you got a seriously messed up install of Vista/Office.

Running both here with absolutely no problems what so ever (keeping my hand on a big wooden bench :rotfl: ) and have been for a few weeks now.

[SUBMAN1]

Sounds to me like you got a seriously messed up install of Vista/Office.

Running both here with absolutely no problems what so ever (keeping my hand on a big wooden bench :rotfl: ) and have been for a few weeks now.

Nah - not messed up at all. Just application compatibility issues. Not much has changed since I ran the Betas either.

-S

[geetrue]

Vista Home Premium has been up and running on my P4 3.0 ghz PC for seven weeks now ... very happy with it now. At first I had a few problems with MS Office 2000 premium, but if the computer shuts down wrong or won't boot to desktop and you have to put in the Vista DVD ... the OS will ask you if you would like for them to find a solution online for you.

I said what the heck and clicked check for a solution. Vista downloaded the solution and installed it and I've had no problems since.

Purchased a Dell laptop (mid April) Inspiron 1505 Intel duo core 1.86 with 2GB DDR2 ... typing on it right now because my PC 19" monitor went out three days ago.

Great notebook, great multi-media, really good OS Vista Home Premium, no problems yet.

Come on in gang the water is great ... two HDD's with XP Pro standing by for over seven (7) weeks now ...
probably will wipe them clean to use for external back up. :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Vista Home Premium has been up and running on my P4 3.0 ghz PC for seven weeks now ... very happy with it now. At first I had a few problems with MS Office 2000 premium, but if the computer shuts down wrong or won't boot to desktop and you have to put in the Vista DVD ... the OS will ask you if you would like for them to find a solution online for you.

I said what the heck and clicked check for a solution. Vista downloaded the solution and installed it and I've had no problems since.

Purchased a Dell laptop (mid April) Inspiron 1505 Intel duo core 1.86 with 2GB DDR2 ... typing on it right now because my PC 19" monitor went out three days ago.

Great notebook, great multi-media, really good OS Vista Home Premium, no problems yet.

Come on in gang the water is great ... two HDD's with XP Pro standing by for over seven (7) weeks now ...
probably will wipe them clean to use for external back up. :yep:

Good to hear it is working. I wouldn't trust it just yet myself however - especially on DRM type issues and older apps.

-S

[NefariousKoel]

As for Vista..

I recently got another 2x512MB RAM kit for one of my customers. It perfectly matches the others in it. Since they still had 2 DIMM slots available, it should've worked great.

Unfortunately, it runs absolutely horrid and I'm lucky to have WinVista load within 20 minutes. It's possible that the Motherboard is the issue (and I have little love of Intel boards) but I'm beginning to believe their Vista is the issue since I've tried different brands in it and it never works with all 4 slots filled... only 2.

I could be wrong but ... F Vista. Oh, and F Intel Motherboards.

[SUBMAN1]

As for Vista..

I recently got another 2x512MB RAM kit for one of my customers. It perfectly matches the others in it. Since they still had 2 DIMM slots available, it should've worked great.

Unfortunately, it runs absolutely horrid and I'm lucky to have WinVista load within 20 minutes. It's possible that the Motherboard is the issue (and I have little love of Intel boards) but I'm beginning to believe their Vista is the issue since I've tried different brands in it and it never works with all 4 slots filled... only 2.

I could be wrong but ... F Vista. Oh, and F Intel Motherboards.
I wouldn't run it with less than 1 GB. 1.5 GB is probably like running Windows XP on 512 MB. Make sure you have at least 2 GB if you plan to play a game like SHIV. The more I play around with it, the more of a resource hog I see it is, and for what? Flashy graphics? XP is the better OS as far as I can see so far. Does the same thing, minus the ability to hit a button and see what windows are running all in a staggered 3D row - oops, I forgot, you can add this capability to XP too with a simple add on! :D

-S

[Sea Demon]

It also seems I can't buy a new computer from Dell without Vista. I wish they would give you a choice of OS's. I would prefer XP for now until I'm more certain about Vista. Maybe I'll check Gateway. And if not, then it looks like I'm going to have to build a whole new rig myself.

[NefariousKoel]

I wouldn't run it with less than 1 GB. 1.5 GB is probably like running Windows XP on 512 MB. Make sure you have at least 2 GB if you plan to play a game like SHIV. The more I play around with it, the more of a resource hog I see it is, and for what? Flashy graphics? XP is the better OS as far as I can see so far. Does the same thing, minus the ability to hit a button and see what windows are running all in a staggered 3D row - oops, I forgot, you can add this capability to XP too with a simple add on! :D

-S

That's my point. I recommended they double their RAM from 1GB to 2GB knowing how much of a hog Vista is. The problem came when I put the extra RAM in. It barely ran the few times it did at all.

I can guarantee the very same RAM upgrade would work just fine on WinXP. :hmm:

[kiwi_2005]

Running Vista Ultimate & have "MS Office Enterprise 2007 Blue Edition"

HAve use office since office 95 came out and own everyone. This Blue edition is the best in my opinon.

I wouldn't go back to anything else, even those free Linux Office which are good also.

MS finally got it right!:yep::rock:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/Kiwi_Frank/office.jpg

[kiwi_2005]

Anyway, I'll report on what I see later on. So far, I am un-impressed. Office 2007 is loading while I write this though, and that looks like a major change over Office 2003, so that may be worth the upgrade. Vista, so far, is not worth the upgrade.

-S

pfft :lol: Vista runs fine, no problems, games run etc., i recently had a run in with Starforce protection when reinstalling SH3, but solved that. Im very happy with Vista Ultimate, would never go back to XP.

[SUBMAN1]

It also seems I can't buy a new computer from Dell without Vista. I wish they would give you a choice of OS's. I would prefer XP for now until I'm more certain about Vista. Maybe I'll check Gateway. And if not, then it looks like I'm going to have to build a whole new rig myself.

Not anymore. Heard Dell was re-releasing XP

And beleive this! THey are releasing a system with Ubuntu on it! That's an about face!

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Does that blow your mind or what?

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Anyway, I'll report on what I see later on. So far, I am un-impressed. Office 2007 is loading while I write this though, and that looks like a major change over Office 2003, so that may be worth the upgrade. Vista, so far, is not worth the upgrade.

-S
pfft :lol: Vista runs fine, no problems, games run etc., i recently had a run in with Starforce protection when reinstalling SH3, but solved that. Im very happy with Vista Ultimate, would never go back to XP.

I can't agree with you (yet). I keep running up and slamming into brick walls! And besides it being a resource hog - it is also dog slow! I heard you get a 10% reduction in FPS with Vista in games, but I feel it is even worse since my XP system will run circles around it in most office tasks. It has to think about doing something (probably DRM kicking in) when XP just goes ahead and does something. Its a responsiveness feel more than anything.

I'm going to go load up 2x xp2500 Athlons (I have 5 systems here with the exact same hardware) with 1 GB each and run them side by side. I'll see how bad it really is. Matter of fact, I'll only put 512 MB in the XP system and 1 GB in the Vista system.

On Office 2007, the Jury is still out with me on it. I am also running Enterprise. Its main difference is to rid you of menu's and replace with a Visual experience instead. I like it in the way it looks better, but in functionality, it may slow me down considerably while I switch menus to get to the visual menu that I need to do a particular task. I'll let you know how it goes later on.

-S

[Sea Demon]

It also seems I can't buy a new computer from Dell without Vista. I wish they would give you a choice of OS's. I would prefer XP for now until I'm more certain about Vista. Maybe I'll check Gateway. And if not, then it looks like I'm going to have to build a whole new rig myself.
Not anymore. Heard Dell was re-releasing XP

And beleive this! THey are releasing a system with Ubuntu on it! That's an about face!

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Does that blow your mind or what?

-S

Good. This makes good business sense. I might actually buy a new computer from them after all.

[SUBMAN1]

It also seems I can't buy a new computer from Dell without Vista. I wish they would give you a choice of OS's. I would prefer XP for now until I'm more certain about Vista. Maybe I'll check Gateway. And if not, then it looks like I'm going to have to build a whole new rig myself.
Not anymore. Heard Dell was re-releasing XP

And beleive this! THey are releasing a system with Ubuntu on it! That's an about face!

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Does that blow your mind or what?

-S
Good. This makes good business sense. I might actually buy a new computer from them after all.

Don't! :D I even asked their rep to quit calling me. I have two laptops here that they used proprietary ATI GPU's on (when they didn't have to), and they never once updated the drivers, yet force you to use Dell drivers to make it function. I paid $3K for each of these machines, so why can't they just give me a little support? So I tried 3 times for them to update the drivers, and 3 times they were all over it and dropped the ball. So I told them I would never buy from them again and to quit bugging me. They still send me email about the great business deals you can get, but without support, whats the point? Whatever rep I am assigned to at a given time (they change yearly I think) still tries to call me occasionally, but I feed him the same story over and over. They keep vowing to fix it and create a special driver just for me, but why should I be needing to ask in the first place??!!! They should do this automatically for anyone who got this GPU!

I managed to find a way to hack the generic drivers to work on it, but its very picky and allows you to select out of spec resolutions and such - and if you select the wrong thing, there is no going back without major work to get it working again.

Anyway - the reason Dell is cheap on prices is because they are also cheap on support. If you don't have to support the product you sell, you can sell it at a greater discount, no?

-S

[SUBMAN1]

So far - My vote for most annoying new Vista addition – 'User Account Control'. This thing makes it so your machine asks you tripple to quadruple before you can even install a simple app like Adobe Flash for your browser! I quickly disabled that!

-S