I find it hard to believe!

[pocatellodave]

The depths of the different seas and oceans.I was given the mission to insert agent into Singapore,and by the time I offloaded the raft,I had nearly surfaced the boat several times for lack of water under keel.Pesky airplane kept coming back,so it was a nerve racking task.I learned early on,in shallow water,simply don't try nothing fancy!I could only imagine the sphincters tightning when the skipper said"Gents are patrol area is the sea of Japan!!"I'm thinking you could probably see subs from the air quite easily,even when they were submerged at them shallow depths.
Pocatellodave

[AVGWarhawk]

Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I'm sure the crews got uptight at the thought of the Sea of Japan but I tell you what, the new Skippers (Morton, O'Kane later on) were super aggressive and truly wanted to bring the fight to the enemy. These two did and did it very well. Usually their aggressiveness and confidence trickled down to the crew. Specifically Morton and the USS Wahoo. At one point, the Japanese thought they had a wolfpack in that certain part of the world.....it was just Wahoo doing her thing.....gun action and torpedo sinkings.

[Kant Schwimm]

[quote=AVGWarhawk]Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I agree - night time is the best for agent insertion, unless of course if he's wearing bermuda shorts carrying a crate of beer and a new fangled wireless then drop him off in daylight, which come to think it from what I here this is all AVG's crew seem to do - party hard:rotfl:.By the way, did he ever get his onboard ice cream machine fixed:hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

[quote=AVGWarhawk]Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I agree - night time is the best for agent insertion, unless of course if he's wearing bermuda shorts carrying a crate of beer and a new fangled wireless then drop him off in daylight, which come to think it from what I here this is all AVG's crew seem to do - party hard:rotfl:.By the way, did he ever get his onboard ice cream machine fixed:hmm:

Ice cream maker is working and we installed the Kegmeister! Cold beer on tap 24/7....burp:smug:

[Kant Schwimm]

[quote=AVGWarhawk]Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I agree - night time is the best for agent insertion, unless of course if he's wearing bermuda shorts carrying a crate of beer and a new fangled wireless then drop him off in daylight, which come to think it from what I here this is all AVG's crew seem to do - party hard:rotfl:.By the way, did he ever get his onboard ice cream machine fixed:hmm:

Ice cream maker is working and we installed the Kegmeister! Cold beer on tap 24/7....burp:smug:

Capt AVG

Whilst we have to admit that your crew has the highest morale and is always eager to get back on patrol, here at Fleet HQ we cant help but wonder that if maybe you stocked up with torpedo's instead of beer you may just help the war effort.

Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King

[PepsiCan]

For a considerable part of the war, subs were forbidden to move into the Sea of Japan. Not sure if that was due to losses or because it was considered too risky. Only at the end stages, when shipping was scarce, did ships frequently visit the Sea of Japan.

And another tip: before you launch your spy into his dingy, ensure you're lying still. The rackett you hear when your sub colides against that rubber dingy....man!



p.s.: same strategy also applies when 'visiting' harbours. Sail into them at night. submerge and lie still in deeper parts until it becomes night again. Airplanes do not fly at night. Destroyers in later years of the war can spot you on radar (yep, their's apparently does work ;) )

[AVGWarhawk]

[quote=AVGWarhawk]Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I agree - night time is the best for agent insertion, unless of course if he's wearing bermuda shorts carrying a crate of beer and a new fangled wireless then drop him off in daylight, which come to think it from what I here this is all AVG's crew seem to do - party hard:rotfl:.By the way, did he ever get his onboard ice cream machine fixed:hmm:
Ice cream maker is working and we installed the Kegmeister! Cold beer on tap 24/7....burp:smug:

Capt AVG

Whilst we have to admit that your crew has the highest morale and is always eager to get back on patrol, here at Fleet HQ we cant help but wonder that if maybe you stocked up with torpedo's instead of beer you may just help the war effort.

Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King


We are helping....we are keeping the beer away from the other fighting men so they stay sober and fight!

[Kant Schwimm]

[quote=AVGWarhawk]Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I agree - night time is the best for agent insertion, unless of course if he's wearing bermuda shorts carrying a crate of beer and a new fangled wireless then drop him off in daylight, which come to think it from what I here this is all AVG's crew seem to do - party hard:rotfl:.By the way, did he ever get his onboard ice cream machine fixed:hmm:
Ice cream maker is working and we installed the Kegmeister! Cold beer on tap 24/7....burp:smug:

Capt AVG

Whilst we have to admit that your crew has the highest morale and is always eager to get back on patrol, here at Fleet HQ we cant help but wonder that if maybe you stocked up with torpedo's instead of beer you may just help the war effort.

Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King


We are helping....we are keeping the beer away from the other fighting men so they stay sober and fight!

Bah, this mans got an answer for everything:arrgh!:

[daft]

Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I'm sure the crews got uptight at the thought of the Sea of Japan but I tell you what, the new Skippers (Morton, O'Kane later on) were super aggressive and truly wanted to bring the fight to the enemy. These two did and did it very well. Usually their aggressiveness and confidence trickled down to the crew. Specifically Morton and the USS Wahoo. At one point, the Japanese thought they had a wolfpack in that certain part of the world.....it was just Wahoo doing her thing.....gun action and torpedo sinkings.

O'Kane actually put Tangs bow aground while going after a freighter on Tangs fourth patrol. Now that's aggressive! :)

[MONOLITH]

It's easy to lose sight of the fact that a submarine (and the sim) is supposed to operate on the premise of 'stealth'.

The problem with shallow water is the sub is too visible. No stealth.

Shallow water + darkeness = stealth.

Go in at night.

:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Did you attempt to go in at night time to avoid the aircraft? That is what I do. If have to submerge until dark then I do. Head in, drop the goods and head out.

I'm sure the crews got uptight at the thought of the Sea of Japan but I tell you what, the new Skippers (Morton, O'Kane later on) were super aggressive and truly wanted to bring the fight to the enemy. These two did and did it very well. Usually their aggressiveness and confidence trickled down to the crew. Specifically Morton and the USS Wahoo. At one point, the Japanese thought they had a wolfpack in that certain part of the world.....it was just Wahoo doing her thing.....gun action and torpedo sinkings.
O'Kane actually put Tangs bow aground while going after a freighter on Tangs fourth patrol. Now that's aggressive! :)

I'm currently reading 'Unrestricted Warfare' The book as far in as I read has O'Kane/Morton patrols. These two guys for whatever forces were put together and became sinking machines. Sometimes Mortons ideas to bring the fight to enemy were so outlandish that O'Kane had to talk Morton out of some of the crazy ideas. But, it was aggressive guys like this that took chances and lived by the skin of their teeth that go the job done. I'm guessing it was the youthful aggressivness and big sub that they were instructed to go sink ships. Just think of yourself at that age being told to go blow things up and here is the sub to do it with. You have our blessing! Have fun and come back soon!

[jerryt]

The depths of the different seas and oceans.I was given the mission to insert agent into Singapore,and by the time I offloaded the raft,I had nearly surfaced the boat several times for lack of water under keel.Pesky airplane kept coming back,so it was a nerve racking task.I learned early on,in shallow water,simply don't try nothing fancy!I could only imagine the sphincters tightning when the skipper said"Gents are patrol area is the sea of Japan!!"I'm thinking you could probably see subs from the air quite easily,even when they were submerged at them shallow depths.
Pocatellodave

I had this one the other day. I was doing pretty good, staying submerged during the day, until I ran into a convoy.

Here I am able to only submerge to 75 feet and trying to manouvere through this thing. Got by the lead escort, but one of the flankers just had to go right by me at about 100 yards. One of the crew farted and he was on me like stink on sh!t. :damn:

Needless to say, you don't have a lot of time from DC drop until detonation in 100 feet of water. :-? The ol' Gar is still on the bottom, RIP. :lurk:

[daft]

I'm currently reading 'Unrestricted Warfare' The book as far in as I read has O'Kane/Morton patrols. These two guys for whatever forces were put together and became sinking machines. Sometimes Mortons ideas to bring the fight to enemy were so outlandish that O'Kane had to talk Morton out of some of the crazy ideas. But, it was aggressive guys like this that took chances and lived by the skin of their teeth that go the job done. I'm guessing it was the youthful aggressivness and big sub that they were instructed to go sink ships. Just think of yourself at that age being told to go blow things up and here is the sub to do it with. You have our blessing! Have fun and come back soon!

Indeed, I think O'Kane is the most aggressive submarine officer I've ever read about. I seem to remember one of the Wahoo officers (could have been Grider, but I'm not sure) describing him as potentially unstable though. I tried finding what he meant, but other than his sometimes overly aggressive tactics (Morton actually had to temper O'Kane at one time in Wahoo, reminding him that Morton was in charge and that O'Kane could practice whatever tactics he deemed fit once he got his own command), I drew a blank. They were indeed a perfect match though and O'Kane's admiration of Mush really shines through in both his books.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm currently reading 'Unrestricted Warfare' The book as far in as I read has O'Kane/Morton patrols. These two guys for whatever forces were put together and became sinking machines. Sometimes Mortons ideas to bring the fight to enemy were so outlandish that O'Kane had to talk Morton out of some of the crazy ideas. But, it was aggressive guys like this that took chances and lived by the skin of their teeth that go the job done. I'm guessing it was the youthful aggressivness and big sub that they were instructed to go sink ships. Just think of yourself at that age being told to go blow things up and here is the sub to do it with. You have our blessing! Have fun and come back soon!
Indeed, I think O'Kane is the most aggressive submarine officer I've ever read about. I seem to remember one of the Wahoo officers (could have been Grider, but I'm not sure) describing him as potentially unstable though. I tried finding what he meant, but other than his sometimes overly aggressive tactics (Morton actually had to temper O'Kane at one time in Wahoo, reminding him that Morton was in charge and that O'Kane could practice whatever tactics he deemed fit once he got his own command), I drew a blank. They were indeed a perfect match though and O'Kane's admiration of Mush really shines through in both his books.
Out of the bunch I think Morton was a little unstable but it was a good mix that kept them in check. Notice it all went to hell when O'Kane is given Tang. Mortons voice of reason was now gone. Very interesting story between two personalities here.

Personally, I'm a Fyfe/USS Batfish fan. Talk about a cool character with another sub out in the dark, not just one time but three in three nights. He sunk them all, very cool when you matching fire with fire. Definitely one Skipper I would like to meet! That took a large set of kahunas to track three Japanese submarines in total darkness just using the radar that had to be turned off and on repeatedly so the Japanese would not pick up the Batfish. True, thrilling stuff there!!!

[TheSatyr]

I think what did Morton in at the end wasn't just the lack of O'Kane,but also the lack of some of his other experienced Officers and enlisted men. There was no one left on the boat with the guts to tell him "You can't do that it's too risky".

The one thing I always liked about Morton was that he listened to his Chiefs and his Elisted men as well as his Officers.

I think Morton and O'Kane were the perfect compliment to each other. They drove each other to excel,but they also kept each other from overly rash actions. Though the Wewak harbor incident was bordeline nuts.

[Payoff]

Agreed, night time is the right time for troop insertion. I just wish they would quit hitting my boat and capsizing. At least they do continue rowing inverted trying to reach their objective. The crew & I just chuckle as we back out to deeper waters.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think Morton and O'Kane were the perfect compliment to each other. They drove each other to excel,but they also kept each other from overly rash actions. Though the Wewak harbor incident was bordeline nuts.

Agree on all points:up: "Sink the Sunza B*tches"....Morton.

Hit'em Harder....I have to read up on this skipper also!

[AVGWarhawk]

Agreed, night time is the right time for troop insertion. I just wish they would quit hitting my boat and capsizing. At least they do continue rowing inverted trying to reach their objective. The crew & I just chuckle as we back out to deeper waters.

I make sure I'm at a full stop. Hit the drop off button and put the sub in reverse. This usually keeps them away from your sub.

[UnSalted]

I go submerged until I'm about 5 miles offshore, then run at 1/3 on the surface at night only until I'm a mile from shore and wait for the "Are you ready to ditch this stowaway?" question. Then it's a Stop and immediate 2/3 astern for a mile or two, then 2/3 ahead and get the Heck outta Dodge.

I went Emergency Full one time and sank myself. Still not sure how but I did it.

[pocatellodave]

Thanks for all the come backs.I threw the ol Sterlet in full backup as soon as the raft cleared,and bugged outta there as quick as I could.I began the insertion just at twilight,and thats the reason the plane bugged me a lot.The sad part comes now. Just a few hundred miles southeast,I began tracking a convoy,had my time compression to high,and a tin can crippled me on the surface,I dived,but too much damage,and the Sterlet just kept on going down.
O'Kane and Morton were sure aggressive.I read one of O'kanes books,and it was good reading.I really enjoyed Griders book as well.He gives a very good account of Sub life in the U.S. Navy.
Pocatellodave

[greyrider]

i was wondering, when you have done your special ops missions, have you ever been jumped, ambushed, or otherwise attacked
while trying to accomplish the mission?
troop insertions and spies going ashore is all fine and dandy, but at those points in shallow water,
i want the unexpected to happen, i want the danger,like in sh1, japanese patrol boat patrolling close to shore, destroyer spotted headed your way by watch crew,
this is where the action and emergency would be, and it would be nice to either get out of dodge fast, fight, or hide, either before the mission is
complete or shortly thereafter.
it should'nt happen all the time, but it should sometimes, they had people watching thier shores too, just like back here,
my mom told me about blackout curtains, and patrols along the coast, either civil defense or actual militery personnel

[daft]

Out of the bunch I think Morton was a little unstable but it was a good mix that kept them in check. Notice it all went to hell when O'Kane is given Tang. Mortons voice of reason was now gone. Very interesting story between two personalities here.

Personally, I'm a Fyfe/USS Batfish fan. Talk about a cool character with another sub out in the dark, not just one time but three in three nights. He sunk them all, very cool when you matching fire with fire. Definitely one Skipper I would like to meet! That took a large set of kahunas to track three Japanese submarines in total darkness just using the radar that had to be turned off and on repeatedly so the Japanese would not pick up the Batfish. True, thrilling stuff there!!!

Agreed, Batfish really has an interesting story to tell. Although I have to admit that O'Kane's repeated night approaches on a Japanese cruiser (Tang's fourth or fifth patrol I think) on the surface has to be the most insane attack attempt I've ever read about. How in the world could anyone think of such a thing as trying to chase down a cruiser so late in the war when the enemy most certainly had radar capabilities. :doh: