Good books on Submarines?

[Shyzar]

Can anyone give me any recommendations for submarine books (fictional or factual), prefferably during WWII, but I don't really care.
I saw alink about three books by same author, but I forgot the author and can't find the post, the only name I remember is that Dust on the Water or something like that is one of the titles.

[wstaub]

Start with Run Silent, Run Deep the continue to his other books including Dust On the Sea

[Iron Budokan]

"Iron Coffins" by Herbert Werner (very well written, memorable imagery)

"Torpedo Junction" by Homer Hickam, Jr. (strong narrative)

"Silent Running: My Years on a World War II Attack Submarine" by James Calvert (brutally honest and heartfelt look back at a man's years on an American sub)

"The Battle of the Atlantic" by Andrew Williams (hardly worth the trouble)

"Hitler's U-Boat War" by Clay Blair (the definitive work on the Battle of the Atlantic. Long on research)

"Submarine!" by Edward Beach. (Not this author's best work; a poor history)

"Pig Boats" by Theodore Roscoe (writing is pretty bad, almost jingoistic. Some detail.)

[Shyzar]

Thanks for the quick replies.

I appreciate it.

[cdrsubron7]

Two books come to mind by Richard O'Kane.

Wahoo

Clear The Bridge.


Thunder Below by Eugene Fluckey He commanded the USS Barb during WWII.

Unrestricted Warfare by James F DeRose

Sink'em All by Rear Adm Charles Lockwood


Silent Victory by Clay Blair, Jr



Those should keep you in reading material for awhile.





cdrsubron7 :up:

[Shyzar]

Those should keep you in reading material for awhile.




Ya, I already have about 1500 pgs to read about Winston Churchill, 800 on the Crusades, and 400 on The battle of Waterloo.

All the books that I plan to buy will probably keep me reading for a year or two.

It will also leave me with quite a bit less money, planning to buy about $223 worth of books

[Lagger123987]

U-boat by this one guy.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

altho not WW2, there're a few by Joe Buff. i've read one and it's pretty good. gonna go thru another. set around 2012 and Germany and S. Africa are Axis with russia being neutral but supplying both. seems a bit better than clancy, too

[Radtgaeb]

altho not WW2, there're a few by Joe Buff. i've read one and it's pretty good. gonna go thru another. set around 2012 and Germany and S. Africa are Axis with russia being neutral but supplying both. seems a bit better than clancy, too


Ugh, I tried reading "Crush Depth" and I couldn't get past page 25. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was utterly unbelievable.

Then again, I'm usually reading things like Fyodor Dostoevsky, Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle, Dickens, Poe, Beirce, Cooper, Leblanc....going from classics like that to modern thrillers is a...trip, let me tell you...

[Capt. Shark Bait]

altho not WW2, there're a few by Joe Buff. i've read one and it's pretty good. gonna go thru another. set around 2012 and Germany and S. Africa are Axis with russia being neutral but supplying both. seems a bit better than clancy, too


Ugh, I tried reading "Crush Depth" and I couldn't get past page 25. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was utterly unbelievable.

Then again, I'm usually reading things like Fyodor Dostoevsky, Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle, Dickens, Poe, Beirce, Cooper, Leblanc....going from classics like that to modern thrillers is a...trip, let me tell you...

you're too cerebral:D

[Prof]

'Secret Diary of a U-Boat' by Hirschfeld is a good one. He was on U-234 during its final mission carrying uranium ore to Japan when the cease-fire was ordered.

[CaptainCox]

This is a must! but in German only AFAIK, but A LOT! of pics!
http://www.deutschesfachbuch.de/info/detail.php?isbn=3937501118
The "REAL" photos from Buchheim...basically what you saw in "Das Boot" but the real thing!

[peewee]

Ive just finished 'Silent Running' which was a pretty good read for the most part. I also have 'US Subs Down Under' by David Jones (unfortunate name for a naval author) and Peter Nunan from the Naval Institute Press. It's an ok read and no doubt very accurate but it has all the passion and excitement of a week old cabbage leaf........

[Iron Budokan]

Ugh, I tried reading "Crush Depth" and I couldn't get past page 25. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was utterly unbelievable.



It was unbelievable...embarrassingly so. He makes the mistake a lot of writers make who have little or no experience in speculative fiction. He thinks coming up with an idea without any grounding in economic or political reality is good enough. It's not.

I finished Crush Depth, and I have to admit I liked the battles between the subs and I was interested to see his concern about the ecological damage a war of this type would inflict on the world's oceans. But from a political standpoint the framework he posits for this "future war" is laughable. The biggest howler: The people of America, now at war with France and South Africa, listen to music from WWII because of the nostalgiac quality. Puh-leeze. That's not only bad extrapolation that's downright lazy plotting and little more than a passing nod (if that) at world building.

But if you could overlook all that, the writing itself both technically and grammatically was pretty good, as were the depth of personal characterizations throughout the book. A nice change from the typical "machine is character" thrust we so often see in technological novels of this type.

I won't ever read another Joe Buff novel. One was enough. But it's not because he's a terrible writer...it's because the universal conflict he posits simply would never occur, and it really shatters the suspension of disbelief.

p.s. And fer Gawd's sake, don't even get me started on Clancy.... :roll:

[Radtgaeb]

altho not WW2, there're a few by Joe Buff. i've read one and it's pretty good. gonna go thru another. set around 2012 and Germany and S. Africa are Axis with russia being neutral but supplying both. seems a bit better than clancy, too

Ugh, I tried reading "Crush Depth" and I couldn't get past page 25. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was utterly unbelievable.

Then again, I'm usually reading things like Fyodor Dostoevsky, Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle, Dickens, Poe, Beirce, Cooper, Leblanc....going from classics like that to modern thrillers is a...trip, let me tell you...
you're too cerebral:D

:know: I certainly try, mate :up:.

[Radtgaeb]

Ugh, I tried reading "Crush Depth" and I couldn't get past page 25. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was utterly unbelievable.


It was unbelievable...embarrassingly so. He makes the mistake a lot of writers make who have little or no experience in speculative fiction. He thinks coming up with an idea without any grounding in economic or political reality is good enough. It's not.

I finished Crush Depth, and I have to admit I liked the battles between the subs and I was interested to see his concern about the ecological damage a war of this type would inflict on the world's oceans. But from a political standpoint the framework he posits for this "future war" is laughable. The biggest howler: The people of America, now at war with France and South Africa, listen to music from WWII because of the nostalgiac quality. Puh-leeze. That's not only bad extrapolation that's downright lazy plotting and little more than a passing nod (if that) at world building.

But if you could overlook all that, the writing itself both technically and grammatically was pretty good, as were the depth of personal characterizations throughout the book. A nice change from the typical "machine is character" thrust we so often see in technological novels of this type.

I won't ever read another Joe Buff novel. One was enough. But it's not because he's a terrible writer...it's because the universal conflict he posits simply would never occur, and it really shatters the suspension of disbelief.

p.s. And fer Gawd's sake, don't even get me started on Clancy.... :roll:

My first thought was "Dear Lord....the Boers? Are you kidding me?" LAFF! :rotfl:

[Lagger123987]

books are boring, books in here are exciting!

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

books are boring, books in here are exciting!

somthing is not right in this centence :hmm:

[torpedochief]

You could always give my novel a try OF ICE AND STEEL. Soon to be a motion picutre. There is a review of the book on this site, or visit my site www.oficeandsteel,com (http://www.oficeandsteel,com) or take a look at the movie trailer on YOUTUBE.

Best,

D. Clayton Meadows MMC/SS (Ret.)
Author of OF ICE AND STEEL and EPITAPH

[The Avon Lady]

My reading pattern on subs has coincided with the game I'm playing. For SH3, there's a wealth of material on the web that kept me reading for hours.

Now that I've just started playing SH4, I need to switch over to the Silent Service. While there are some very good sites out there, they don't provide the same vast wealth of uboat material available online.

I just ordered US Submarines 1941-45 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1841768596/102-5308451-6120106) for elementary quick reading reference. I also ordered the DVD Submarines: The Silent Service in World War II (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AB0Z2W/102-5308451-6120106).

Now, if I could only stop humming the SH3 theme song when I'm playing SH4. :damn: It's tough to switch over! :88)

[trainman786]

Two other books I would recommend are "Take Her Deep" by Admiral I. J. "Pete" Galantin, and "Shinano" by Captain Joseph Enright.

The first book deals with the war patrols of the USS Halibut while under Admiral (then Commander) Galantin's command. The second book is about the sinking of the Japanese super-carrier Shinano by Captain Enright and the crew of the USS Archer-fish.

Both are excellent reads.

Jim