so, SH5 should be next

[Capt. Shark Bait]

and based on, in part, on a series of books by Joe Buff. read one which was rather quite good. it's set around 2012 with Germany and South Africa allied, (read Axis), and the russians conveniently neutral but supplying them. they're worth a read

[THE_MASK]

SH5 = back to the atlantic:rock:

[Reaves]

SH5 = back to the atlantic:rock:


As the British. :arrgh!:

[corvette k225]

Yes, back in the Atlantic with U-boats. SHV, sometime in the year 2009.:up:

[DS]

Actually, I wonder if it might not be feasible to model the entire world (like Dangerous Waters), and focus on multiple nations submarines (Royal Navy, US Navy, Kriegsmarine, Soviet Navy, Japanese Navy, Italian Navy) , even if it is at the expense of the variety of other shipping (it really doesn't matter to me much if there are 5 types of merchants or 15 types, and similarly, I don't really care if each countries navy has only 1 or 2 examples of each warship class. A cruiser sinks like a cruiser).

I would say that SH5 should port over the existing ship models, add new subs from different countries, and focus on the realism and gameplay aspects. It might even generate broader international appeal and sales that way.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Actually, I wonder if it might not be feasible to model the entire world (like Dangerous Waters), and focus on multiple nations submarines (Royal Navy, US Navy, Kriegsmarine, Soviet Navy, Japanese Navy, Italian Navy) , even if it is at the expense of the variety of other shipping (it really doesn't matter to me much if there are 5 types of merchants or 15 types, and similarly, I don't really care if each countries navy has only 1 or 2 examples of each warship class. A cruiser sinks like a cruiser).

I would say that SH5 should port over the existing ship models, add new subs from different countries, and focus on the realism and gameplay aspects. It might even generate broader international appeal and sales that way.

so long as it's contemporary, or even if the cold war turned hot. WW2 is gettin kinda old

[Iron Budokan]

Atlantic.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Atlantic.

nooooo, cold war turned hot

[canimodo]

lol :lol:


my wallet is a bit heavy (j/k) but i´d pre-order sh5 NOW !!

GIMME A LINK PLEASE !

:rock:

edit: no paypals please !

[Lagger123987]

SH5 = back to the atlantic:rock:

NO, BACK TO THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC! HAVE BOTH IN ONE GAME!

[CaptainHaplo]

Dont count on an sh5 - SH4 wll really have to impress some suits (post 1.3) and make massive sales for sh5 to occur. If is does - a total world with the ability to play multiple sides would be likely - due to the ever increasing size and scope of games. If it occurs we would likely see campaigns for both the Axis and Allies. Perhaps even a strategic layer with some controls - a nod to Pacific Storm perhaps.

But again - dont count on it. As for making it anything but ww2 - not with the Silent Hunter name - its "brand" is associated with the time period and companies dont like to deviate from a "branding". If you want ww3 - there are some games out there that are more adaptable for such things - the Dangerous Waters type side of things.

On a side note - did anyone notice DW was basically a mixture of Janes Fleet Command and 688I with some graphic improvements and a few new controllable vessels?

[Capt. Shark Bait]

any idea when DW'll be released? many not need SH5 if it's soon:hmm:. something tells me this is download only:x

[CCIP]

any idea when DW'll be released?

:o:o:o

Uhhh, like 3 years ago?

[Capt. Shark Bait]

any idea when DW'll be released?

:o:o:o

Uhhh, like 3 years ago?

yeah, saw that:cry: . googled it

[Lagger123987]

Hopeing for DW2!

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Hopeing for DW2!

:rock: yeah, i'd buy that, and play it too:ping:

[Lagger123987]

Hopeing for DW2!

:rock: yeah, i'd buy that, and play it too:ping:

And DC2! or a Battleship sim at least.

[goldorak]

On a side note - did anyone notice DW was basically a mixture of Janes Fleet Command and 688I with some graphic improvements and a few new controllable vessels?

Just to put things straight, DW is not a mixture of janes fleet command and improved 688i.
It is something completely different, the only game that has revolutionised the modern/contemporary simulation naval game , although it is too hard core to appeal to the masses.
Dw is a tactical, ASW simulation that lets you play in a real 3D integrated naval battlespace in single player and multiplayer.
It has excellent multiplayer features, multistation (that means you can have several players on the same unit), you can have cooperative missions, etc... and a really really good mission editor.
The only thing it lacks is a dynamic campaign, but for the type of missions you play, a dynamic campaign would be too constraining.

[bruschi sauro]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

and all sunk by a Los Angeles class boat with ADCAP torpedoes:ping:

[goldorak]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

and all sunk by a Los Angeles class boat with ADCAP torpedoes:ping:

You wouldn't say that if you played DW in multiplayer. :arrgh!: :|\\

[Linton]

Sh5=Mediterranean with allied boats.Various navies operated the UK S,T and U classes including the Greeks,Poles and Russians during WW2 so a lot of appeal to a wide audience.Lots of scope for special operations and some nice targets(Italian battleships)

[PepsiCan]

Of course the mediteranean theatre will be marred by air attacks. At least we won't have to wonder where those airplanes came from :-)

Problem is that the life span of the campaign will be relatively short. It starts to pick up at the end of 1940 and by mid 1943 it is pretty much over after the invasion of Sicily and Italy. So, only 2.5 years to look for tonnage.:hmm:

[DanCanovas]

Atlantic.

nooooo, cold war turned hot


i agree!

[mookiemookie]

Gimme mah U-boats! :arrgh!:

[Uber Gruber]

One word.....WOLFPACKS!!!!:rock:

[bruschi sauro]

SH5 = back to the atlantic:rock:
What do you think abot cold war? may be SH 5?:hmm:

[bruschi sauro]

One word.....WOLFPACKS!!!!:rock:
wow!!!:rock:

[bruschi sauro]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

and all sunk by a Los Angeles class boat with ADCAP torpedoes:ping:
No with Seawolf..:rock:

[bruschi sauro]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

and all sunk by a Los Angeles class boat with ADCAP torpedoes:ping:

You wouldn't say that if you played DW in multiplayer. :arrgh!: :|\\
yes i play DW in multiplayer......" SONAR TORPEDO IN THE WATER ..BEARING 187"
"SIR TORPEDO IS ACTIVE.....I LIKE IT.

[Sailor Steve]

and based on, in part, on a series of books by Joe Buff. read one which was rather quite good. it's set around 2012 with Germany and South Africa allied, (read Axis), and the russians conveniently neutral but supplying them. they're worth a read
Silent Hunter is, traditionally, a World War Two sim. What you say may be fun, but under a different name.
As the British. :arrgh!:
Has been mentioned many times in the past. Any new nation would require all new exteriors and interiors as well as voices. Very expensive for a relatively minor (no offense meant) combatant. That said, I think the British subs in the Med did a great job.
Actually, I wonder if it might not be feasible to model the entire world (like Dangerous Waters), and focus on multiple nations submarines (Royal Navy, US Navy, Kriegsmarine, Soviet Navy, Japanese Navy, Italian Navy)...
Now you're looking at many dozens of active interiors plus hiring all the voice actors for the different nations. Are you willing to pay $500 for the sim?
so long as it's contemporary, or even if the cold war turned hot. WW2 is gettin kinda old
Again, sounds good, but not for Silent Hunter.

My take is that SH5 will have to wait for the next generation of graphics and design, and then start over one more time; as mentioned probably not for several years in the future. World War 2 never gets old.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Sh 5 .. Yes But Cold War .... Kilo Golf Akula Ming Oscar ....

and all sunk by a Los Angeles class boat with ADCAP torpedoes:ping:

You wouldn't say that if you played DW in multiplayer. :arrgh!: :|\\

:hmm: probably not, hence my nic:ping:

Seawolf would be good, but i thought that was a made up name, along with everything else, for the series J.A.G.

[TheSatyr]

I wouldn't be holding my breath for a DW2. Sonalysts is out of the game making business now,due to the poor sales of DW.

[Hartmann]

It would be great a full submarine game with sh3 and sh4 campaign merged.:rock:

A modern submarine could be cool too , but the units and warfare systems are more complex, like towed array sonars, countermesures, homing torpedoes, radio and radar detection , missiles...:hmm:

this can make the develop work a lot more difficult than a ww2 submarine.

Dw is great as a simulator but the graphics are not very good , and today it is a very important factor. People now wants great graphics, if the graphics are poor, only attracts hardcore players.

[Kingcobra24]

SH5 = back to the atlantic :rock:

= SH3 with all the still-existing bugs removed to make it the first bug-free Silent Hunter sim that Ubi-scoff ever put on the market.
:lurk:

[KrvKpt. Falke]

My take is that SH5 will have to wait for the next generation of graphics and design, and then start over one more time; as mentioned probably not for several years in the future. World War 2 never gets old.

I think that it would be cheaper for Ubisoft to make SH5 on current engine (expanded with DX10) than writing a whole new engine.
There are two options: one is SH5 in 2009-10 (SH3/4 engine), second: SH5 in 2017-20 (new engine) ;)

[gg.]

SH5: All WWII ships and submarines in one game...

[Elphaba]

SH5...

Call it .... Silent Hunter / Killer - Focus on hot(ish) cold war SSN's like Seawolf / Virginia and the Russian eqivs...(no missle boats - so still have sub / surface engagements but now thrill of sub / sub ones too) <tingle tingle>


Gods...I'd pay four times the av game price for SH3 / 4 immersion / graphics based in this 'new' world...

just my 0.02 cents...

Elphaba

[Radtgaeb]

I have to admit, cold war turned hot sounds really, REALLY cool! :up:

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Actually, I wonder if it might not be feasible to model the entire world (like Dangerous Waters), and focus on multiple nations submarines (Royal Navy, US Navy, Kriegsmarine, Soviet Navy, Japanese Navy, Italian Navy) , even if it is at the expense of the variety of other shipping (it really doesn't matter to me much if there are 5 types of merchants or 15 types, and similarly, I don't really care if each countries navy has only 1 or 2 examples of each warship class. A cruiser sinks like a cruiser).

I would say that SH5 should port over the existing ship models, add new subs from different countries, and focus on the realism and gameplay aspects. It might even generate broader international appeal and sales that way.

If you think about it, SHIII and SHIV already model the entire world - and Dangerous Waters doesn't, at least not in one open environment.

[GakunGak]

Nukes! 688i, Seawolf, Akula and Alfa. No more, no less. Only 2 nations as not to be sound consuming... Everyting in 3D. Make it good, even on 2 dvd's....:rock:

[perisher]

I always rated you as the voice of reason around here Steve, but I can't let you get away with this one -As the British. :arrgh!:
Has been mentioned many times in the past. Any new nation would require all new exteriors and interiors as well as voices. Very expensive for a relatively minor (no offense meant) combatant. That said, I think the British subs in the Med did a great job.


74 boats lost out of 206 in service, 3,142 men killed (one in three of all who served) plus 359 captured. 2 million tons sunk, 38 enemy subs and 40 major surface warships sunk. More hits per torpedo fired than any other navy. Hardly a minor combatant Steve. No offence taken, just setting the record straight.

[Frenssen]

It has to be WW2. Pre radar is where the fun is for me. You have to get so close that you can smell the smoke from the merchants. Of course I`m most interested in the German u-boats and I would love a SH5 with AI wolfpacks.

[Perseus]

SH5 (if it will ever emerge) should, in my opinion, be based in modern times. This of course brings a LOT more programming to the fray, as there are many, many more options in modern subs compared to WW2 boats, but earlier sims like 688 and Fast Attack *oooh!* proved that it's possible - and attractive.

So I say: take Fast Attack as a basis and work from there. I'll happily provide the scenarios :)

[RICH12ACE]

what about having sh5 set in ww1 with british subs!:rock: :yep: yo baby!

[GakunGak]

SH5 (if it will ever emerge) should, in my opinion, be based in modern times. This of course brings a LOT more programming to the fray, as there are many, many more options in modern subs compared to WW2 boats, but earlier sims like 688 and Fast Attack *oooh!* proved that it's possible - and attractive.

So I say: take Fast Attack as a basis and work from there. I'll happily provide the scenarios :)
PPL, listen to this man, he's right...:rock:

[Lagger123987]

sh5, HAVE ALL SUBS FROM WW2 IN ONE GAME, HAVE A LOT OF SHIPS TO SINK USING SEVERAL TYPES OF TORPS LIKE THE LONG PANTS.

[Zachstar]

My thoughts on this have been settled for QUITE some time.

Silent Hunter 5 has a small nitch it can cover with the 50's Sub simulation being totally nonused.

Im thinking give a few years for the postwar era stuff to go then suddenly in 1952 a conflict starts in the pacific or atlantic and a massive naval conventional war ensues between the United States and Soviet Union.
So between 1952 and 1958 you have this conflict that uses newly captured or developed technologies in a deadly war to deny access to the sea.

Light Submarine combat with the use of new homing torpedoes that may or may not work.

Light missile use. Mostly against aircraft.

Soviet XXI conversions such as Whiskey and Zulu for early war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_class_submarine

For the Americans you have your choice of GUPPY classes for early war leading to better designed subs later on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Underwater_Propulsion_Power_Program

By 1955 I think its safe to start seeing large number of teardrop shape submarines to start the hunt. Such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Barbel_%28SS-580%29


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The point of this is to still be able to basicly maintain the art of Silent Hunter and yet change the style somewhat without going to Nuke powered monsters with uber missiles and Mach 1 torpedoes. You can hunt other submarines underwater and try to engage with homing torpedoes.. etc.

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[GakunGak]

Hmm, now thats promising.....:hmm:

[Morts]

SH5 = atlantic:rock: as the germans

[Sailor Steve]

I always rated you as the voice of reason around here Steve, but I can't let you get away with this one -As the British. :arrgh!:
Has been mentioned many times in the past. Any new nation would require all new exteriors and interiors as well as voices. Very expensive for a relatively minor (no offense meant) combatant. That said, I think the British subs in the Med did a great job.


74 boats lost out of 206 in service, 3,142 men killed (one in three of all who served) plus 359 captured. 2 million tons sunk, 38 enemy subs and 40 major surface warships sunk. More hits per torpedo fired than any other navy. Hardly a minor combatant Steve. No offence taken, just setting the record straight.
Being reasonble doesn't always mean being right.:lol: I read Padfield's book, and while he told a lot of stories and included a lot of numbers, it didn't seem to be that major comparatively. Personally, I'd love to play in any country's boats. We need more add-ons.

Thanks for great defense; I'll try to be better informed next time.:sunny:

[perisher]

Personally, I'd love to play in any country's boats. We need more add-ons.

Thanks for great defense; I'll try to be better informed next time.:sunny:

No problem, shipmate.:arrgh!:

Submariners, of any nationality, are brave men and therefore worthy of simulation.

As I said, no offence was taken as I am sure none was implied, I just wanted to put the RN's contribution into perspective.

I also wanted to make a pitch for a Brit SH5. I really want to shoot up trains. (Check my profile).

[Zachstar]

SH5 = atlantic:rock: as the germans

No offense but whats with you guys?

A big topic moaning about SH4 not being the Germans again before and now im seeing this?

I mean isn't RUB or GWX good enough? How about letting SH take a new turn to explore totally uncharted times such as my idea above or a little 60's war?

I can understand the like of U-boats but this is starting to get weird. Are we gonna go back and forth till we have SH30 WW2 complete edition?

[KrvKpt. Falke]

Modern subs? Cold war subs?
Too boring in my opinion.

-Soviet sub detected, sir!
-Ah, call the White House and ask what to do, we don't want to start WWIII here!

[spyridon]

Modern subs? Cold war subs?
Too boring in my opinion.

-Soviet sub detected, sir!
-Ah, call the White House and ask what to do, we don't want to start WWIII here!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Just like ''The Hunt for Red October'' (very nice film by the way)

[GT182]

Seeing there has been some much wrong with SH4 and the comments everyone has had about it..... you will never see a SH5 sim. Especially from Ubi. Dream all you want, it won't happen.

[STEED]

SH5 should cover us Brits and Japan as we both would come after Germany and America.

[Iron Budokan]

Modern subs? Cold war subs?
Too boring in my opinion.

-Soviet sub detected, sir!
-Ah, call the White House and ask what to do, we don't want to start WWIII here!

I'm not too interested in playing scripted missions, either, which is what a cold war sim would have to be. Anyway, we have DW, so we can see already how a cold war sim would be. Aside from a graphics update, DW pretty much has it all. Find da sub, follow da sub with your sensors. *Yawn* And this coming from someone who likes DW. But, let's face it, the gameplay is pretty much one-dimensional, due to the inherently scripted nature of the missions. That's not DW's fault. They just don't have an entire war they are able to model and incorporate into the gameplay. And anything you come up with as far as modern sub sims goes would necessarily border on science fiction. Nothing wrong with that, either. I rather like science fiction. But the SH franchise has concentrated on WWII so let's keep that going.

Modern subs have their place. But not in SH.

And if anyone thinks WWII Battle of the Atlantic is all played out...well, they either haven't read their history, don't realize how much more detail can be modeled in controlling u-boats (including weapons, stalking, immersion, etc) with the computing power now available to us, or both.

I vote u-boats. Not that anyone in any business capacity is listening to our votes, of course.... :up:

[spyridon]

I vote u-boats. Not that anyone in any business capacity is listening to our votes, of course.... :up:
This is their mistake! If I had a company I would ask people ''what do you want us to produce?'' and I would produce whatever they were saying me! This would make me rich!:D
Other companies would also follow my steps, or they would close very soon.:up:

[Weather-guesser]

Boomers and Hunters, YEAH!:rock:

[Capt. Shark Bait]

i'd even settle for something around the time of the cuban missle crisis that went hot:rock:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Expanded to include both the Atlantic and Pacific. As mentioned here in this thread, leave the more modern stuff to games like DW\Sub Command.

RDP

[SeaSprite]

I'd vote that SH5 should wait, next game should be back in the Atlantic dealing with surface units. Playing the British against the German u-boats, I want my Tribal class! :)

[ReallyDedPoet]

I'd vote that SH5 should wait, next game should be back in the Atlantic dealing with surface units. Playing the British against the German u-boats, I want my Tribal class! :)

Be nice to have the option of playing all available units: surface, air and of course subs. People think WWII has been overdone, there is still huge potential for game expansion in the era:yep:

RDP

[GakunGak]

I thought Silent Hunter was called that way because of THE SUBS, as they are silent until attack... battleship/air to be playable, that kinda ruins the title, as the player is no longer "silent", unless he plays some modern era stealth frigate or F114A or whatever that stealth bomber is called anyway....:hmm:
Just my 3 euros and 75 cents...:hmm:

[Stary Wuj]

Hmmm, what about WWI ???

Best Regards

Stary Wuj

[bruschi sauro]

Seeing there has been some much wrong with SH4 and the comments everyone has had about it..... you will never see a SH5 sim. Especially from Ubi. Dream all you want, it won't happen.
YOU ARE RIGHT :smug:

[GakunGak]

Seeing there has been some much wrong with SH4 and the comments everyone has had about it..... you will never see a SH5 sim. Especially from Ubi. Dream all you want, it won't happen.
YOU ARE RIGHT :smug:
I just hope you are wrong...:yep:

[Uber Gruber]

SHIV wont be scrapped because some people said some bad words about it, the very idea is madness. It will only be scrapped if it doesn't make economical sense. Businesses don't have ego's, they can't afford to. So can we just move WAY WAY WAY past this vein please.

[longam]

http://www.unitedfiberglass.com/images/sh33.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

I'll take that first one! SteamPunk forever!:rock:


Oh, but they're "hulls", not "hauls".

[GakunGak]

That baby is LA and the last one is SSBN?
Man, SSGN rocks!:rock:

[AkbarGulag]

My take is that SH5 will have to wait for the next generation of graphics and design, and then start over one more time; as mentioned probably not for several years in the future. World War 2 never gets old.

Hell yes, have only just rediscovered the silent hunter games since "Silent Hunter". Yes the old 64.... the memories :p

Somehow I skipped Silent Hunter II. With Silent Hunter III being picked up only 2 weeks ago. Just as replayable as the original... BUT BETTER! :rock:

To me Silent Hunter is synonymous with WWII :yep:

[HMS Vanguard]

I personally like the 50's era idea came up with on an earlier page, when the newer tech was still coming in but it was all still relatively conventional and based in the tactics of earlier wars, before the major new technologies came along. I would definately purchase that.

[John Channing]

Seeing there has been some much wrong with SH4 and the comments everyone has had about it..... you will never see a SH5 sim. Especially from Ubi. Dream all you want, it won't happen.

Everyone?

I think not.

Reminds me of when the article came out saying that Sh3 only sold some small amount of copies and was destined for the discount bin. That was going to be the end of the SH franchise too.

In fact, wasn't SH 2 the end of the franchise?

JCC

[GakunGak]

Seeing there has been some much wrong with SH4 and the comments everyone has had about it..... you will never see a SH5 sim. Especially from Ubi. Dream all you want, it won't happen.

Everyone?

I think not.

Reminds me of when the article came out saying that Sh3 only sold some small amount of copies and was destined for the discount bin. That was going to be the end of the SH franchise too.

In fact, wasn't SH 2 the end of the franchise?

JCC
I completly agree... But, what story they will chose, what technology, system requirements, aspect of gameplay and so on? They are probably monitoring this and they cannot decide of the 3 games to create:
1. WWII in the Atlantic with U-BOATS
2. WWII in the Pacific with US boats
3. COLD WAR/Modern Age with nukes...
When we resolve this conflict, I think they will probably then start to think even to make such a game.

[John Channing]

I seriously doubt it. At this stage of the game they are monitoring whether the costs they have/will incur on SH4 make it worthwhile to produce a SH5. The jury is probably still out on that.

In my sad little fantasy world I dream of the day that 1.03 comes out, fixes all of the problems, adds a few little surprises and UbiSoft re-launches the game, with a hard promotional push against the major magazines and sites to get a re-review of the game as it should have been. The reviews are, of course, outstanding (hey, it's my fantasy) and stores send in re-orders because of the clamoring of the masses, cash in hand, demanding to purchase SH4.

Not likely going to happen, but a boy can dream, can't he?

JCC

ps. If I hear anyone saying they heard a moderator on Subsim.com say that 1.03 will fix all of the problems and add a whole bunch of new features including (...), I will hunt them down and beat them like a rented mule.

[GakunGak]

True enough, but if UBI abandons the project, who will make a sub game for us? EA? SCS? Eidos? There is no other company than UBI that understanda this whole sub genre, the others will be "n00b"'s at that business...
It is best to keep ol' veterans.:yep:

[John Channing]

Agreed.

JCC

[Sulikate]

Agreed.

JCC
I second that! Go UBI /o/