Do you experience CTDs ?

[Uber Gruber]

It appears as if some people experience CTDs and some people don't. So i've added this Poll in order to try and get some visibility on the problem.

Personally, i've never had a CTD but I know its a painfull issue for some.

[U-Bones]

ZERO on 1.2
Overall, exactly one, my first day. I don't remember specifically, but it was probably the "A" key.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, and I would like to keep this out of the bug list for patch 1.3, I do not believe CTD are caused by bugs.....IMHO.

I have had three:

"A" key (once)......known bug that was corrected
Under heavy weather and a convoy present (twice)....clean up hard drive and internet junk......never had any since.


Over 100 hour of play.

[CaptainCox]

Never, only testing mods and stuff, and once or twice when setting TC to 8000 in harbour maybe.

[orangenee]

I get one every now and again but it's pretty rare.

[Greentimbers]

Only one, and that was the "A" key.
Now fixed

SHIV 1.2 No Mods

[TDK1044]

About 60 hours SH4 play time and no CTDs.

[Bane]

Only one over the course of two or three complete patrols.

It happened by moving from the nav map under high time compression directly to the bridge without manually dropping to 1x first like I usually do. No biggie.

[Limerick]

Since 1.2 the only CTD I have had was switching to the bridge from the map screen but rare(twice). Other then that nada.

[perisher]

A CTD now and again, seems to be sound related. Change screens with a sound playing and sometimes the sound starts to loop and CTD follows.

[GakunGak]

Not once....:rock:

[ReallyDedPoet]

2-3 times, once the " A " key, the others more related to my computer, lots of game play here, so.... it has not been a big deal for me.

RDP

[Lt. Cobra]

I have experienced CTDs ever since I've had the game but it isn't as bad since patch 1.2 was installed. The last time was when I was in map room under high time compression and choosing to go to periscope depth after receiving a message that aircraft were spotted. It DID drop me to normal speed, however, before I chose to go to periscope depth but still crashed.

[NefariousKoel]

Not once with 1.2

[kikn79]

This is my only experience with CTDs.
After playing the game for several weeks, I started getting CTDs also. I was trying to head back to base, and couldn't make it very far before I puked.

Long story short, I looked at the event file and found that the module that was causing the crash was sound.act. Renamed it and tried again.
Crashed after loading and getting to the main menu. Checked events again and found the file shsound.act was the culprit. Renamed it and tried again.

I was able to load up the game + my save game and make it back to Pearl with no problems (no sound, either). Saved the game and:

Rebooted
Defraged
Re-installed patch 1.2
Rebooted

The patch replaced the 2 files that I had renamed and the game runs fine (with sound) and no more heartache. In fact, I regularly leave it running (paused) at night when I go to bed and I don't get back to it until after work the next day.

Give the event viewer a try and see what you come up with.

Chuck

[tater]

I have experienced CTDs in 1.2 with my old machine (AMD 2600+/1GB/Radeon 9800 Pro/XP Pro SP1), and with my brand new machine—very vanilla at this point— a E6600/2GB/GF 8800GTS.

On the current rig it usually seems to be going from map view/TC to a "real" view. Last night it happened without TC, just going to an external view.

Happens not terribly often, but enough that I curse it when I fail to save frequently enough. The new rig loads the game, then a save or new mission faster than my old rig got the main game screen up, so reloading is not much of a hardship, lol.

tater

[rodan54]

Only 3 so far.

1st with stock 1.0 (stadiometer).

2nd with 1.1 (A key, my curiosity got the best of me).

3rd with 1.2 (high time compression in rough seas as I was closing on a large contact).

Though considering the amount of time I've put in so far, the CTDs I've had (or could have) haven't been much of a concern. Overall SHIV is arguably one of the most stable games currently installed on my computer.

[Kant Schwimm]

Only after I installed vista:damn: but things are smoothing out now, none on my last 3 patrols:yep:

[jerryt]

I've had two or three. Not a huge issue since I'm a firm beleiver in the save, save, save principal. :lol:

[STEED]

Not yet.

[Major Johnson]

I seem to have them but only within a few minutes of either starting patrol or loading a saved game. And so far it's been a pattern of 2 CTDs per time. Mind you I've only been playing for a week, and I'm still on my first patrol in my first career.
I reinstalled SH4 and applied 1,2 patch without ever starting the game as directed as directed by AVGWarhawk. Actually I had 2 CTD's right after starting a career and I didn't realized the starting points were saved, and I just started another one, but again, in 2's, I had another CTD and never left the pier! Third time was a charm and I had no problems until I reloaded the next night. This time I exited my anti-virus program and only had 4 icons running in the task bar. The clock, Nvidia settings, sound volume and the hardware icon (for USB devices). Same thing, 2 CTDs then it went smoothly. Next I am turning off the sound, and see what difference that makes. I have the graphics option set to high. I am playing with no mods.

AMD Athlon(tm)XP 3000+
2GB RAM
GeForce 7800 GS 256 RAM
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card.

My pc never crashes any other time. I'm looking into whether or not I can add more RAM to the video card. Although it hasn't cause a CTD, during TC the frame rate goes way down for 5-10 seconds, and the game just boggs down, then it appears to clear up. Not sure if this is something the devs can look into this time around. But cheers to them for what they are doing!! :up:

[Skipbo]

Heavy user of mods - never any CTD's.

[kiwi_2005]

Just last night i decided to start a career in 1943 with a Gar Class, in Freemantle australia, Whenever i leave port whether its in port or just out side of port, just a few minutes after i start the patrol i get a CTD.

I tried the same year but in another harbour and got no CTD. Only happens in Freemantle.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

yup, nice and quiet without so much as a firework:-?

[Packerfan]

ZERO on 1.2
Overall, exactly one, my first day. I don't remember specifically, but it was probably the "A" key.

x2

I think the CTDs have more to do with hardware issues such as drivers, conflicts, overheating, etc than bugs or we would all be getting them, especially the guys with over 50 or 100 hours of gameplay.

[FIREWALL]

ZERO on 1.2
Overall, exactly one, my first day. I don't remember specifically, but it was probably the "A" key.


Same Here. :D

[ulyanov]

I had heaps - till I read somewhere that the Power Supply needs to be decent.

Since upgrading from my Dell in-built 230W (I thought I'd get away with only one HDD) to a 430w cheapo I've had very few. 3 or 4 in enemy harbours, usually when on the surface with the deck gun and one when ending a patrol...

Now I have a 620w corsair - it's sooooo quiet, I'm probably using it at 40% capacity... :D

[kakemann]

After installing a clean XP version I didn't have any problems. On my Vista installation i frequently got CTD's

[CCIP]

I had a CTD or two, but nothing worth noting and certainly nothing I wouldn't expect. In fact both SHIII and SHIV I would rank as more stable than most other games I play.

[tater]

While my CTDs are somewhat infrequent, I have never had even one problem of any kind with Il-2, and I've been playing that literally for years.

[Zepheron]

Count me in as one of the lucky ones, not one ctd.

[GT182]

Post your specs for your 'puter if you have CTDs with SH4. I believe the cause comes from that not SH4... other than the "A" key. The minimum specs Ubi has on the box is barely good enough to run it. The recommended spec and higher are the way to go so it runs without CTDs.

My 'puter is 2 1/2 years old and the main upgrade I made was a GFX card. While I had Sh4 installed it ran fine with good frame rates with a P4 3.2E, 2gb DDR 400 RAM and a new 6800XTreme 256mb DDR3, 256 bit card. The other upgrade was to a 200gb Maxtor SATAII HDD cause my 120gb Maxtor SATA died on me.

[GTHammer]

I played since the beginning with the 1.2 patch and have only had one CTD if you can call it that. It was actually a bit more. I tried to go to the nav map and suddenly my monitor turned off and went to power saving mode. My speakers started producing this heinous high pitched squeal and my computer was completely unresponsive. I waited a bit then figured all was lost and rebooted with the power button. Thankfully this has happened only once. It was probably something on my end anyway, not the game. Damn internet porn...:D

[skullman86]

I experienced one back in 1.1.I clicked the button to calculate speed and BAM...desktop.I haven't had any other CTDs yet.

[SteamWake]

What the hell.... where are all the "this game is unplayable" posts ?

Ive only had two CTD's one was when I pressed the A key to see if it would and it did (fixed).

The other who knows (shrug) most llikely a virus scan or something of that sort interrupting.

[skullman86]

What the hell.... where are all the "this game is unplayable" posts ?

Not everyones' hatred for the game comes from CTDs :rotfl:

[zylark]

Twice with 1.2

Both times coming out of heavy TC and trying to go to a 3D view, like the bridge or periscope view.

Oh, and a BSOD once, but that was due to a failing disk, not related to SHIV.

[Lt. Cobra]

Post your specs for your 'puter if you have CTDs with SH4. I believe the cause comes from that not SH4... other than the "A" key. The minimum specs Ubi has on the box is barely good enough to run it. The recommended spec and higher are the way to go so it runs without CTDs.

My 'puter is 2 1/2 years old and the main upgrade I made was a GFX card. While I had Sh4 installed it ran fine with good frame rates with a P4 3.2E, 2gb DDR 400 RAM and a new 6800XTreme 256mb DDR3, 256 bit card. The other upgrade was to a 200gb Maxtor SATAII HDD cause my 120gb Maxtor SATA died on me.
I uninstalled SH4 leaving no folders to exist and then did a defrag of my computer after having specific CTDs at the same specific times in a campaign not to mention even starting to have them online as well. I reinstalled SH4 and did not run it. I then promptly applied patch 1.2 and the problem persisted. So, I redid everything again by uninstalling game and defraging computer and applied patch 1 followed by patch 1.2. It played for a few days but then went from being a specific CTD at a specific time to now being random CTDs although maybe not as bad, usually when coming out of TC in map room. I always reduce TC to normal though before going to bridge from map room. The last time I had CTD was yesterday when I was closing in on Japan and I got a notice while in the map room that aircraft was spotted. It reduced me to normal time and then I chose to go to periscope depth and BANG! CTD! :damn:

Dimension E521
Athlon 64 3200+(2.00GHz, 512K)
2GB DDR2 SDRAM at over 600 MHz
256MB ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
Windows XP Home

[donut]

Yes, and I would like to keep this out of the bug list for patch 1.3, I do not believe CTD are caused by bugs.....IMHO.

I have had three:

"A" key (once)......known bug that was corrected
Under heavy weather and a convoy present (twice)....clean up hard drive and internet junk......never had any since.


Over 100 hour of play. Defrag. helped:sunny:

[Lagger123987]

So far no CTDs yet for me in this buggy game but still playing it because of the graphics.

[Lt. Cobra]

I’m not a computer wizard here; real estate and development is my business. It just seems to me though that a game that demands much more system requirements to run would not run as good as a game that has less requirements like SH4 for example. If the CTDs that people are experiencing with SH4 are not related to the game’s design then why could I run IL2 for many years in the past on the borderline computer that I had back then and never experience one CTD? I can also now run Armed Assault Combat Operations on my present system (not that I am particularly fond of that game) and I never have a CTD and it requires more system specs than does SH4. I don’t buy into the notion that it is just a computer hardware issue. That may have something to do with it but IMHO it is more because of the way that the game was put together and designed in the first place. Just my ideas! :know:

[popeye]

not exactly, but worse it re-booted my machine. of course i hate that. but there have been a few games that do that since i got the new rig.

only one game reboots it regularly, and i dont play that anymore obviously. it was a well known issue with the nvidia drivers. as far as i know the world still waits for new drivers from them....

SH4 only did it once so far, while loadng a save game. it just took a little longer, and suddenly was re-starting.

[LZBTD]

My first CTD was on Day 1 (23/03/07), too many sequential key presses, ergo my error.
"2nd was 'A' key, tried it for laughs.
Subsequently no CTD's or BSOD's nor any 'SAVE 'game issues to date, submerged or otherwise. (touches wood, avoiding splinters in head). Have only run game on 1024x768 res with most of the eye candy switched off as monitor does'nt support much higher. New monitor stolen by daughter).


Edit Me and my big mouth, within an hour or so of this post a CTD !!! Reloaded the save game and was all OK..

[switch.dota]

ZERO on 1.2
Overall, exactly one, my first day. I don't remember specifically, but it was probably the "A" key.
I had this happen to me as well. Only issue is that I don't remember exactly what I did. I issued a command then bam! CTD.

[AVGWarhawk]

I’m not a computer wizard here; real estate and development is my business. It just seems to me though that a game that demands much more system requirements to run would not run as good as a game that has less requirements like SH4 for example. If the CTDs that people are experiencing with SH4 are not related to the game’s design then why could I run IL2 for many years in the past on the borderline computer that I had back then and never experience one CTD? I can also now run Armed Assault Combat Operations on my present system (not that I am particularly fond of that game) and I never have a CTD and it requires more system specs than does SH4. I don’t buy into the notion that it is just a computer hardware issue. That may have something to do with it but IMHO it is more because of the way that the game was put together and designed in the first place. Just my ideas! :know:


What I'm thinking here is the game engine has not been optimized yet. Just a thought on that and stability.

[Redwine]

I had CTD only when i attempt to play many missions without reboot... specially if i have many programs running into the background, in example when make mods, i may habe Photoshop and ACD SEE opened...

But the game give advices... the load up screens become too slowly, the mouse become sticky, the FPS become reduced... then it is time to reboot, if i do not rebot, sure in the next mission the load up screen freezs or if i reach to enter into the mission... game CTD...

I think it is a memory fragmentation problem :hmm:

Of course, if you make a bad tweak, a single text line can cause a c CTD, but is not realted to the program, it is caused by merged mods or to bad touching the files.

:up::up::up:

[Lt. Cobra]

I’m not a computer wizard here; real estate and development is my business. It just seems to me though that a game that demands much more system requirements to run would not run as good as a game that has less requirements like SH4 for example. If the CTDs that people are experiencing with SH4 are not related to the game’s design then why could I run IL2 for many years in the past on the borderline computer that I had back then and never experience one CTD? I can also now run Armed Assault Combat Operations on my present system (not that I am particularly fond of that game) and I never have a CTD and it requires more system specs than does SH4. I don’t buy into the notion that it is just a computer hardware issue. That may have something to do with it but IMHO it is more because of the way that the game was put together and designed in the first place. Just my ideas! :know:

What I'm thinking here is the game engine has not been optimized yet. Just a thought on that and stability.Maybe this is a dumb question for some :oops: but what determines a game engine being optimized? Is SH4 not the same game engine that SH3 has had for all of these years?

[jdkbph]

Given that the GPF's I'm expereincing are all associated with NTDLL and Video driver libraries, I wonder if there might be a correlation between the folks who have and have not had GPFs, and the video hardware they're running? For instance, I have an nVidia card (8800GTS) and I have frequent GPFs.

So....

Is anyone running ATI hardware experiencing frequent GPFs?

Is anyone running nVidia hardware not experiencing frequent GPFs?

Might help to solve the problem if we can ID a common denominator.

JD

[Marko_Ramius]

Since 1.2, absolutely not a single CTD. Very stable for me.


I got one on 1.1 : The game asked me to launch "don't remeber what", or "postpone" while there was no reason to ask this .. ; i choose postpone and CTD.


But again, since 1.2, the game run like a charm. Maybe 80 hours playing yet.


WindXP SP2
ATI X1900XT 512Megs (7.3)
2gigs RAM

[Lt. Cobra]

Given that the GPF's I'm expereincing are all associated with NTDLL and Video driver libraries, I wonder if there might be a correlation between the folks who have and have not had GPFs, and the video hardware they're running? For instance, I have an nVidia card (8800GTS) and I have frequent GPFs.

So....

Is anyone running ATI hardware experiencing frequent GPFs?

Is anyone running nVidia hardware not experiencing frequent GPFs?

Might help to solve the problem if we can ID a common denominator.

JDI have ATI hardware and I have never had Windows to crash when running SH4. Only CTDs for me and only with this one game.

Dimension E521
Athlon 64 3200+(2.00GHz, 512K)
2GB DDR2 SDRAM at over 600 MHz
256MB ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
Windows XP Home

[NefariousKoel]

Given that the GPF's I'm expereincing are all associated with NTDLL and Video driver libraries, I wonder if there might be a correlation between the folks who have and have not had GPFs, and the video hardware they're running? For instance, I have an nVidia card (8800GTS) and I have frequent GPFs.

So....

Is anyone running ATI hardware experiencing frequent GPFs?

Is anyone running nVidia hardware not experiencing frequent GPFs?

Might help to solve the problem if we can ID a common denominator.

JD

I've not had a single CTD with 1.2 and I'm running an XFX 7900GS. Maybe something screwy with the 8 series drivers? I wouldn't be too surprised after some of the stuff I've read about DX10 drivers thus far.

[NoLine]

The game always crashes for me and i have never finished a patrol
I have a ati x800 pro videocard, amd xp2700 processor,onboard sound(tried a soundblaster) and a gig of ram
I dont have problems with silent hunter 3 or any other game
My nr 1 suspect is sound

cheers
NoLine

[Beery]

It appears as if some people experience CTDs and some people don't. So i've added this Poll in order to try and get some visibility on the problem.

Personally, i've never had a CTD but I know its a painfull issue for some.

I've had CTDs but only two. I reckon a couple of CTDs in a couple of months is normal for any game.

[PepsiCan]

No CTDs, except once. But that was caused by the installation. So, a reinstall did the trick. Never had a problem since.

I agree with AVGWarhawk that bugs do not create random crashes. As some people experience crashes while others don't, and for some people these crashes are at times pretty random as well, it means that environment specific factors are involved.

In other words, it is the combination of the game and the OS, drivers, hardware. That is:
- difficult to figure out
- nine out of ten times, it is not the software itself, but some outside cause

Only when you can consistently reproduce the issue on various pc, is it SHIV related. And for most people, CTDs probably mean there is something wrong with their system and not with the game.

You may want to check the MS website on how to startup windows as clean as possible. A lot of stuff is started up in the background that you do not need. On my own pc that is
- a background running service for iTunes
- a background running service for iPod
- a background running service for a webcam
- a background service for my videocard
And none of these services show up in the in-tray or anything. But they can cause problems when 'fighting' for resources. Same thing for virus scanners. Real memory hoggers. And what happens when they start running for a background scan?

[Beery]

The only CTD I know of that was definitely caused by SH4 was the one caused by the 'end of war' bug. This was fixed in version 1.2.

[Iron Budokan]

I don't play SH4 anymore. But when I did I have to admit I didn't have any more CTDs than I had with SH3. Go figure.

[Major Johnson]

Well what started as CTDs now just simply shut my pc off!! It's happened all morning long now. About 6 times or more! I've tried using the medium graphic setting and it still happens. I tried reseating the video card and the ram. The last time I was in the navigation map screen had just clicked on the management button at the bottom. I'm thinking now that it might be power supply, a 600 wt Xeon. It appears that the video is demanding something that the power supply can't give it and just gives up! This is not a regular occurance with my system. As much as I can see where my power supply might be part of the issue, I would also think that the game engine could be stabilized a little

AMD Athlon XP (tm) 3000+
2 GB Ram
GeForce 7800 GS 256 RM

[switch.dota]

Sustained gameplay for me = CTD. Always. I used to play in short infevals, one hour real time tops. Now that I try 3 hr sessions I crash quite often. Annoying.