Thank you SHIV/ubi

[bobo]

Thank you for inspiring me to go back to SHIII.
Not that my opinion matters any but to me even though going back to the pacific for SHIV was a logical choice, I think it was a gamble. I know SHIV is an improved version of the SHIII engine but to me III has extremely superior replay-ability than IV. I can't quite put my finger on why but the atmosphere just isn't the same in IV. Is it the theater of operations? The huge differences in the story/history of the two theaters? The lack of a sense of urgency? The IMHO clunky interface? The headaches that come with rushed code? All of the above? I don't know. I must admit though, I was really excited about IV and I love eye candy (more than I should). I played more than a few patrols in IV. I complained about the bugs and waited for the patches, then I gave it another chance. It's still yet to grow on me which is sad because environmentally it's a great looking sim. I still have stability issues with it (I know, don't give me any crap) that just exacorbate the annoyance. So to get my non-CTD'ing, non-beta, immersively satisfying fix for a subsim I've resurrected SHIII after months of being relagated to the dusty shelf that is nothing more than a wasteland of old retired games. It's for this that I say thank you, but above all, an even bigger thank you goes out to ALL the modders and folks who've contributed to making SHIII what it is today. . . . .

A superior experience overall.

Now if you'll pardon me, it seems I've recieved a radio report about a convoy in my grid.

[terrapin]

Yup. Never had more fun playing SHIII since SHIV 1.2

[SteamWake]

How creative of you :-?

Im sure your backhanded insults will sting UBI to their core.

Its BS like this that will make them think "Why should we bother ?"

[bobo]

SW...like they care what I think...

[U-Bones]

Thanks for sharing, have fun.

[elanaiba]

SW...like they care what I think...

Perhaps they care. I could see some possible results:

- improved SHIV through another patch
- a better overall SHV on release day
- no SHV at all, why bother with these people they say
- very few modding options in SHV, since modded SH5 might keep people from buying SH6
- frustrated developers
- lots of laughter in the office - "who is this bobo guy" ?
- strange looks, nodding, etc.

[bobo]

The above is just my opinion, I do hope that someday SHIV will capture me. Afterall, I don't think it's completely crap, it has potential.

Thank you u-bones, I'm positive I've read something of yours that was helpful to me. Sincerely thank you.

[U-Bones]

The above is just my opinion, I do hope that someday SHIV will capture me. Afterall, I don't think it's completely crap, it has potential.

Thank you u-bones, I'm positive I've read something of yours that was helpful to me. Sincerely thank you.

Welcome.

Perhaps you should also thank elanaiba for caring enough to read and comment. Has to be a tough place to visit atm...

[AVGWarhawk]

Afterall, I don't think it's completely crap, it has potential.

It sure does just as SH3 did. I will tell you, as much as I loved SH3 with the larger mods installed, I like SH4 better with minimally installed mods. Basically all I have is a few textures and the reduced radio traffic mod. If the game is this good for me in the basic vanilla state, it will only get better.

Anyway, SH3 has been completely removed from my computer. I do not have any intentions of loading it up again. To each their own I guess.

[Dowly]

The above is just my opinion, I do hope that someday SHIV will capture me. Afterall, I don't think it's completely crap, it has potential.

Thank you u-bones, I'm positive I've read something of yours that was helpful to me. Sincerely thank you.
Welcome.

Perhaps you should also thank elanaiba for caring enough to read and comment. Has to be a tough place to visit atm...

I am quite surprised to even see him here anymore. :o

[MONOLITH]

*Waves hello to Elanaiba*

Hang in there man. :up:

[elanaiba]

*waves back, got your PM too :) *

Hanging....

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/features/blackeuro/hangedmanlge.html

[DanCanovas]

i understand what your saying, I just can't get into Sh4 like I did 3.

[Keelbuster]

I also agree - had one of my best SH3 careers since SH4 was released.

[U-Bones]

i understand what your saying, I just can't get into Sh4 like I did 3.

No shame in that.

[Uber Gruber]

How creative of you :-?

Im sure your backhanded insults will sting UBI to their core.

Its BS like this that will make them think "Why should we bother ?"

Rubbish....if anything, its comments like this that bring down the tone of SubSim community. Ubi don't care what we think unless it brings about negative publicity that may affect their stock value. They certainly wont think "why should we bother" - its not an emotive decision, its purely a question of profits and what they can get away with.

[GT182]

Terrapin, it seems I can't log on at u-boot.realsimulation again or get my password sent to me. The PW I used before isn't working. Send me an email when you get a chance as there is no other way to contact you. ;)

Thanks mate.

And sorry if I'm off subject here.... I'll delete this once I hear from him.

[dean_acheson]

Afterall, I don't think it's completely crap, it has potential.

It sure does just as SH3 did. I will tell you, as much as I loved SH3 with the larger mods installed, I like SH4 better with minimally installed mods. Basically all I have is a few textures and the reduced radio traffic mod. If the game is this good for me in the basic vanilla state, it will only get better.

Anyway, SH3 has been completely removed from my computer. I do not have any intentions of loading it up again. To each their own I guess.

Same here, I love SH4. I have figured out how to use the radar, and it is fun. The night attacks in SH4 are way more fun than the ones in SH3, where I was NEVER able to get close to a convoy on the surface.

I like not fighting for a fascist regime, I like getting to use a GATO boat, I like the improved graphics, I miss the radio shack.

SH3 is uninstalled. At some stage I might put it back on, but not anytime soon.

[bobo]

Forgive my ignorance but I don't know who Elanaiba is. Judging by responses I can only guess he has something to do with the product. In which case he deserves more than a thank you. I never intend to trash anyone's hard work. I know what it's like on a different level (Enterprise Storage Array's). I've put up with customer crap as well but poor features/functionality/performance is rarely due to any one persons contribution or lack there of. Customer crap is taken up to mgmt as feedback for improvements. Most of the time it takes a large pile of crap from multiple customers taking a dump in yer office to make a difference but occasionally even a small turd gets visibility. Once in a great while I get passed a little turd and am able to make difference and that feels great. There's difference's in Hardware vs Software, one company's ethics vs anothers but I've never seen a load of crap do anything other than create dialogue for improvements. If we were to throw up our hands and say "screw it, they b!tch too much" we wouldn't be the No.1 provider of storage array solutions across the globe.

[terrapin]

Terrapin, it seems I can't log on at u-boot.realsimulation again or get my password sent to me. The PW I used before isn't working. Send me an email when you get a chance as there is no other way to contact you. ;)

Thanks mate.

And sorry if I'm off subject here.... I'll delete this once I hear from him.

NP... info@realsimulation.com is fully functional atm...

[FIREWALL]

Hi bobo :)

Your opinion is shared by more the a few members. There are a
handful of members that feel a begging cup approach is the
solution. And I'm sure UBI suits are laughing at that. If you look
at it from a business and credibility stand point. It would be afore
mentioned suicide to not at least patch if not somewhat finish.
Time will tell. Besides, alot of members are enjoying it and that is
in no small part by are GREAT MODDER community.:up: :up: .

[GT182]

Bobo, good for you for trying to make a difference. :up: Too bad they're aren't more out there like you to keep the customer happy..... it sure isn't like that at Ubi. It seeming more and more their motto is "take the money and run". And yes, as a paying unsatisfied customer I CAN say that.

[GT182]

Firewall, modders can only improve the looks and feel of the sim, they can't fix what's in the code that's not working as it should. So, a patch is still needed no mater what modders do.

[orangenee]

Ubisoft have made horrible jobs on PC games lately, GRAW terrible on PC, great on console, RBV same, SC:DA same, if it was possible to do SHIV on console it would be the same. Basically they know they can release something unfinished on PC and leave it, saying they'll patch it later. That said we still need to be constructive in the way we ask for patches, or they'll just say sod you then and we'll have nothing and they'll just do console games from now on.

[FIREWALL]

Firewall, modders can only improve the looks and feel of the sim, they can't fix what's in the code that's not working as it should. So, a patch is still needed no mater what modders do.

GT182 Your so right on that. I just meant the modders made it more fun to enjoy till UBI gets around to fixing it if ever.:)

[HunterICX]

thanks for the edit Dean,

HunterICX

[dean_acheson]

Hunter,
Quite right, have edited my post.

I think that "fighting for a fascist regime" is appro. however. I'm sure you will let me know if you disagree. I fully understand that not all the Kriegsmarine were party members, but that regime was horrific, and I believe that it is slightly disingenious to try and seperate the German armed forces totally from it. That is why, at times, I found it slighty disconcerting to be sinking British and American ships. I mean, the German/Nazi/Fascist was a quite nasty one.

That is one reason that I enjoy SH4 a bit more. I feel more comfortable sinking Japanese ships than I do tommies.

All of this might sound silly, and a bit OT, but even playing these sims, at times I have a hard time seperating the politics from what I am doing.

[HunterICX]

Thanks,

as my german grandmother spitted in a Nazi's soldiers face when passing her house (almost got shot for that one) I dont like the total picture of Nazi's

thanks for the edit, I will edit mine too

[Uber Gruber]

A bit iof history wouldn't go amiss. The bundesmarine was one of the least "politically" infected services of the german armed forces. Furthermore, the U-Boat crews were even less infected.

I hear about troops in Iraq who do not support the current American regime but still fight for it. I imagine the same could be said for a lot of the U-Boat crews.

[DS]

I also prefer the Pacific theatre, and am an SH 1 , 2, 3 and 4 player.

I am enjoying SH4 greatly. The coding is not as polished as SH3 yet, but hopefully that will change. None the less, I am enjoying SH4, and I do not support an approach that makes Ubi think the best way to avoid future bad commentary about their subsims is to not make subsims at all.

That said, I do support the development of a 1.3 patch that finishes the code, and I support that objective by offering CONSTRUCTIVE and ENCOURAGING criticism, and by promoting SH4 and encouraging sales so that the profit balance sheets allow for further development. Like any corporation, Ubi will want their product to have a good reputation, if their product sales will support it. If the product is perceived as a failure, and sales tank due to bad publicity, there is no point in them putting more money into an already lost cause.

Frankly, if there is no 1.3, I will walk away convinced that 1.3 was killed by the players ruining the base product's reputation. That would be sad, because I play SH4 every single day, and enjoy it each time.

[MONOLITH]

I also prefer the Pacific theatre, and am an SH 1 , 2, 3 and 4 player.

I am enjoying SH4 greatly. The coding is not as polished as SH3 yet, but hopefully that will change. None the less, I am enjoying SH4, and I do not support an approach that makes Ubi think the best way to avoid future bad commentary about their subsims is to not make subsims at all.

That said, I do support the development of a 1.3 patch that finishes the code, and I support that objective by offering CONSTRUCTIVE and ENCOURAGING criticism, and by promoting SH4 and encouraging sales so that the profit balance sheets allow for further development. Like any corporation, Ubi will want their product to have a good reputation, if their product sales will support it. If the product is perceived as a failure, and sales tank due to bad publicity, there is no point in them putting more money into an already lost cause.

Frankly, if there is no 1.3, I will walk away convinced that 1.3 was killed by the players ruining the base product's reputation. That would be sad, because I play SH4 every single day, and enjoy it each time.


Well said.

Although some will argue that the products reputation was killed by it's own flaws, not the players who complained about them.

The rest is sound advice though. :up:

[DS]

A bit iof history wouldn't go amiss. The bundesmarine was one of the least "politically" infected services of the german armed forces. Furthermore, the U-Boat crews were even less infected.

I hear about troops in Iraq who do not support the current American regime but still fight for it. I imagine the same could be said for a lot of the U-Boat crews.


In my view, the only thing worse than killing people to support politics you believe in is killing people to support politics you don't believe in.

[Lt. Cobra]

Where would someone recommend that I get a copy of Silent Hunter III without allowing Ubi Soft to profit from my purchase? From everything that I’ve heard about it, it sounds like it’s something that I would like to have on my computer to play. Thanks!

[Blarg]

The above is just my opinion, I do hope that someday SHIV will capture me.

I have SH3 and SH4 too.

I've been playing SHII and the Pacific Aces mod. To me they are enjoyable.

[Reaves]

Perhaps they care. I could see some possible results:

- improved SHIV through another patch
- a better overall SHV on release day
- no SHV at all, why bother with these people they say
- very few modding options in SHV, since modded SH5 might keep people from buying SH6
- frustrated developers
- lots of laughter in the office - "who is this bobo guy" ?
- strange looks, nodding, etc.


All i'm after is another hefty patch or a few more minor ones to get things like the radar fixed. SH4 is a much better game due to several things.

-Graphics
-Theatre (I'm Australia so it's nice to see my country on the map for once.
-Mission variety (Recon missions, commando drop offs) awesome work!
-Ability to refit
-New crew management

My game no longer crashes after 1.2 and to be honest SH3 still crashed on me last time I played due to the old crew management bugs.

[Spartan]

Well said.

Although some will argue that the products reputation was killed by it's own flaws, not the players who complained about them.

The rest is sound advice though. :up:

Gospel truth brother - gospel truth...

[Stary Wuj]

Firewall, modders can only improve the looks and feel of the sim, they can't fix what's in the code that's not working as it should. So, a patch is still needed no mater what modders do.

Very well put !!!

SH4 will be great after 1.3 patch (perhaps 1.4) and few mods,
but now this is waste of time, and IMHO SH3 with GWX and few other small mods is much batter in many ways, especially sounds and realism are important for me, SH3 is now PERFECT. Silent Hunter IV can be perfect too.

Best Regards

Stary Wuj

[THE_MASK]

SW...like they care what I think...

Perhaps they care. I could see some possible results:

- improved SHIV through another patch
- a better overall SHV on release day
- no SHV at all, why bother with these people they say
- very few modding options in SHV, since modded SH5 might keep people from buying SH6
- frustrated developers
- lots of laughter in the office - "who is this bobo guy" ?
- strange looks, nodding, etc.

Strangely enough a lot of stuff we wanted ended up in SH4 so i guess they do care . Elanaiba your avatar says shore leave . How long is this holiday;)

[Anvart]

UBI, make hardcoded features, scripts we shall make together ...
:D

[Argus00]

I think SH4 is the best naval sim yet, even though it is more arcade-like than SH3. I'm playing both, and I like SH4 more. I don't know why, I'll have to have a serious talk with that guy in the mirror, but some other time...

I don't know why SH4 shipped unfinished, in a worse state than SH3 first shipped; maybe it was because that some top brass over at UBI France made some bad calls to have the game ship unfinished, maybe there were some bad calls made by the dev team (let's face it, they may be good but they're still green for the gaming industry) regarding what to leave in the game and what not to, maybe the deadline was too short; anyway, the situation sucks big time, but it still is the top naval sim on the market.

I can only hope that the dev team DOES release a patch soon that finally fixes some serious hardcoded issues the game obviously has. Imagine the potential of SH4 unlocked by a proper, hefty patch released by UBI Bucharest - a GWX mod tailored to the SH4 engine, as I'm SURE all of the great modders on this forum have already thought about. WOW!!

[STEED]

Did ubi give in to public or other pressure to release this game before it was truly finished or some other reason? It is clear to me they should have not for another six months to a year which could had made the deferents from what we have now and what we could of had.

What is done is done and I hope ubi will move forward and correct all these bugs as I am fed up of my boat going to the bottom of the sea with minor damaged to moderate damage. The good folk at ubi have the power to turn this game back into a good game in which we all can enjoy, so please let's see the issue of these bugs sorted once and for all.

[SteamWake]

Did ubi give in to public or other pressure to release this game before it was truly finished or some other reason? It is clear to me they should have not for another six months to a year which could had made the deferents from what we have now and what we could of had.

What is done is done and I hope ubi will move forward and correct all these bugs as I am fed up of my boat going to the bottom of the sea with minor damaged to moderate damage. The good folk at ubi have the power to turn this game back into a good game in which we all can enjoy, so please let's see the issue of these bugs sorted once and for all.

Guess your not up to speed Steed.

It was released before it was finished to meet the "Quarterly" profit projections and trim overhead.

[STEED]

Guess your not up to speed Steed.

It was released before it was finished to meet the "Quarterly" profit projections and trim overhead.

Well I had a shrewed idea that was possible.

[Spartan]

My primary concern regarding the current situation is (as I understand it) select members of this community were beta testing the game prior to its release. So I can sort of see why there is a kid glove approach within the community towards handling UBI or am I completely remembering things incorrectly?

[SUBMAN1]

I like that - why should we bother - post! Because the rest of us feel cheated into shelling out $50 for something that is broken and may never be fixed. I have an extremely bad taste in my mouth from UBI that I will not quickly forget. If they do not fix the Chronograph in SHIV at the very least, then I can honestly say they will not get my $$$ ever again.