1.3 Poll On Official German SHIV site removed

[terrapin]

Yesterday it was there, today it's gone.


Another smart UBI move?

[Dowly]

Maybe they are getting fed up? :hmm:

[cunnutazzo]

May be they won't release any 1.3 patch. Sure. :damn:

[Dowly]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.

[hamburger]

my answer? see below...

[U-Bones]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.

Our fault... :roll:

OK, feel guilty if you wish, I suppose it is possible.

I will pass.

[Limerick]

It is still up on the Ubi site....here...
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855

[Dowly]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.
Our fault... :roll:

OK, feel guilty if you wish, I suppose it is possible.

I will pass.
Partly, yes. Just browse the SHIV forums, what can you see? Hate, petitions, threats to sue them etc. Now, why would they want to work more for a community that only supports them when everything is going smoothly, but as soon as something bad comes up, the community is threatning them?

And like I said when the game was released: Remember, it wasnt the devs that came up with the stupid deadline.

[Bum]

Yeah, you ask people to vote for a patch and so many think its an invitation to go crazy, and act like idiots. :roll: All the extreme talk about suing and piece of **** game, how retarded. Even though Silent Hunter 4 is a pretty good game, it should still get more support than a lot of people show.

The internet, where something is either terrifcly wondeful beyond belief or rotten, sick bad and worth killing.

[Uber Gruber]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.

Oh please! If no patch to fix this "game" then the decision will be a simple financial one by some middle manager type in Ubi...it will have nothing to do with anything that has been said, negative or positive, in these or Ubi's forums. Its a simple business decision for the sake of profits and the only thing that will "perhapps" change their mind is if enough negative publicity is brought to bear on them.

[TDK1044]

Just as an observation; Ubisoft is not going to be impressed with petulent screaming and shouting regarding this issue. Nor will they worry in the slightest about the "I'm never going to buy another Ubisoft product again" group.

These companies know that the loss in sales as a result of that kind of reaction is so minimal as to be of no consequence.

Ubisoft may reconsider patch 1.3, if it can be demonstrated to them that the need for the patch is important to a significant number of SH4 players. The more people who e-mail them, snail mail them and call them, and the more that appears to be random game players and not subsim community members, the more chance for success.

These companies work with metrics, and if they are having to deal with this issue on a daily basis on several different fronts, then it may become financially viable to produce the patch so that their staff are not having to deal with these complaints on a daily basis.

[U-Bones]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.
Our fault... :roll:

OK, feel guilty if you wish, I suppose it is possible.

I will pass.
Partly, yes. Just browse the SHIV forums, what can you see? Hate, petitions, threats to sue them etc. Now, why would they want to work more for a community that only supports them when everything is going smoothly, but as soon as something bad comes up, the community is threatning them?
Sorry.
You are confusing cause and effect. 90% of the anger is because the publisher bailed. (nothing to do with devs or bugs, or typical angst that dissipates with patch)

...and "something bad" with being abandoned. Gross understatement. A no more patch statement with the current state of the game is traumatic for many. Without patches, GWX would have probably never seen the light of day because a large part of the community would have bailed on a bad base.

...and support with being sensitive to their feelings. Given time and support from the PUBLISHER, I am sure the devs could have kept improving the game. Patting them on the head instead of pointing out problems would have simply short circuited that process.

Maybe if we had sent little love notes over the year while they were coding, 1.0 would have been better, and we would not have had to hurt any feelig with honest reviews.

It is NOT the consumers fault that the producer delivered inferior product and followed it with inferior support. People were being reasonably tolerant and patient with the inferior product, but when the asinine request for us to beg for further support came out, people got angry.

Even if your comments were closer to the truth than they are, why go there now ? Its rather unsporting all things considered. Last thing we need is friendly fire.

[Dowly]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

[U-Bones]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

Enjoy your game and wish us well over here.

[Limerick]

While I agree that the Ubi site has been overrun with children screaming on the grocery store floor there are community members with a more level head. Some threads are down right embarrassing for sure but many are trying to calm things down and work on getting the patch the right way.

That said.......I've got a patrol to finish.

[UglyMowgli]

SH4 was just relaese too early and unfinished, just becasue Ubi soft annual results were released 1 months after SH4 was out so the sale of the sim were accounted on the results, the benefits for the ubi stocks owners was good and that all, they were happy.

The games companies are disengaging from PC games (to long to develop, portability is not good to consoles like X360, PS3, etc...) and piracy is to simple for PC games , EA is stopping making PC games and will just developp consoles ones.
At the end we will just have small developpers seeling PC games only by internet like battlefront, SCS or e-sims.

I try to contatct Ubi (I have a good contact here) but at this time no answer to my questions.

[StandingCow]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.
Our fault... :roll:

OK, feel guilty if you wish, I suppose it is possible.

I will pass.
Partly, yes. Just browse the SHIV forums, what can you see? Hate, petitions, threats to sue them etc. Now, why would they want to work more for a community that only supports them when everything is going smoothly, but as soon as something bad comes up, the community is threatning them?
Sorry.
You are confusing cause and effect. 90% of the anger is because the publisher bailed. (nothing to do with devs or bugs, or typical angst that dissipates with patch)

...and "something bad" with being abandoned. Gross understatement. A no more patch statement with the current state of the game is traumatic for many. Without patches, GWX would have probably never seen the light of day because a large part of the community would have bailed on a bad base.

...and support with being sensitive to their feelings. Given time and support from the PUBLISHER, I am sure the devs could have kept improving the game. Patting them on the head instead of pointing out problems would have simply short circuited that process.

Maybe if we had sent little love notes over the year while they were coding, 1.0 would have been better, and we would not have had to hurt any feelig with honest reviews.

It is NOT the consumers fault that the producer delivered inferior product and followed it with inferior support. People were being reasonably tolerant and patient with the inferior product, but when the asinine request for us to beg for further support came out, people got angry.

Even if your comments were closer to the truth than they are, why go there now ? Its rather unsporting all things considered. Last thing we need is friendly fire.
Good post, you covered everything I wanted to say. :up:

I played during the 1.1 patch, then stopped because I didn't want to ruin the game for myself by getting annoyed at bugs, so I haven't been playing much either...

[AVGWarhawk]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.

[Dowly]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.
Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.

I played it pretty much when I got it, but then I got kind of bored to the whole atmosphere of the Pacific battles and decided to go back to the more dramatic Atlantic. Nothing more, nothing less. ;)

[the_belgian]

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...

:know: :know: :know:

[terrapin]

Meanwhile the whole thread has been deleted overthere, Forum Manager is talking in a new message about a cooperation with subsim.com

' 'Wir wissen dass die Situation momentan sehr aufgeheizt ist und wir sind momentan dabei eure Raktionen zu beobachten und zu dokumentieren.

Gleichzeitig arbeiten wir in Zusammenarbeit mit Subsim.com an einer Liste um Probleme in Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific zu erkennen und weitere Schritte zu planen. '


(??)

see http://mpgtext.net/ubrs/The-News/Latest-SH4-News/SH4%3A-1.3-Poll-On-German-SHIV-site-removed%2C-support-thread-deleted-200705222537/

[Uber Gruber]

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE

Errr.....shouldn't that be

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAS STOVES BE

:arrgh!:

[StandingCow]

Ok, this whole german mod thing is confusing me... were they making a smart comment toward neal by saying, "best of luck"? Or are they supporting the same view we have?

:huh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.
Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.
I played it pretty much when I got it, but then I got kind of bored to the whole atmosphere of the Pacific battles and decided to go back to the more dramatic Atlantic. Nothing more, nothing less. ;)

So, when modded for more excitment/drama like SH3 is now, you would play it more often?

[Uber Gruber]

@AVGWarhammer

I've noticed a couple of times that you're quite happy with SHIV bar tha radar issues. This is great news if you've managed to make it stable, any chance you could list the mods you're using and any "tweaks" required so that all the rest of us might also be able to play the game ?

Thanks in advance mate,

Hans.

[Dowly]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.
Just one question Dowly, why do not not play the game? What is the top thing that makes you throw it on the shelf?

Currently I play it and simply love it. It took a little more work to get it to run very well. More than most games but once there, it is kick butt. My only glaring concern is the radar that only works depending on the direction you are headed. Really nothing else concerns me at all.
I played it pretty much when I got it, but then I got kind of bored to the whole atmosphere of the Pacific battles and decided to go back to the more dramatic Atlantic. Nothing more, nothing less. ;)
So, when modded for more excitment/drama like SH3 is now, you would play it more often?

No, I prefer the dramatic Atlantic battle from the german POV. Knowing that 3/4 of the german uboat men died is enough to give me drama and excitement even in the stock SHIII. :up:

[MaciejK]

NOBODY IS PERFECT.
WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...

:know: :know: :know:


Man, these are completly two different things - the patch issue and something being perfet.
It is just that the company which released the game knows exactly that they released a broken or rather unfinished product. trousers without one sleeve, car without brakes, color TV working only in B&W, a novel with half of the pages missing, a hamburger without meat, . The game isnt even compatibile with its own manual.

one can enjoy it now, 1.2, but it does not mean that it shouldnt be fixed - finished.

It is an ethical conflict for respect for customers. The distance between customers and the service-good provider makes it easy for them to sell unfinished product. If I went to a hairdressed and ordered a trimming and he said after doing half of the job that he is not going to finish it I would be in a better position to smash him in his face than i am now, being totally neglected and insulted by sheer fact that I have to show my interest in the product Ibought being finished or brought to state in which it can be described as "without serous problems".

[Schunken]

If every member here donates 20 Bucks we can hire the dev team and they make the patch for us...and than Silent Hunter 5 and we sell it our own....:arrgh!:

Andreas

[mookiemookie]

If every member here donates 20 Bucks we can hire the dev team and they make the patch for us...and than Silent Hunter 5 and we sell it our own....:arrgh!:

Andreas

Or better yet, if Ubi would release a SDK then they wouldn't have to spend another dime on it and let us finish the damn game.

[Target]

NOBODY IS PERFECT.

WHY SHOULD GAMES BE
!?!
so,stop complaining and start enjoying...


:know: :know: :know:
This is what I heard many an inmate say to excuse their behavior. They would then look at everyone (those who are innocent) as being guilty of something so that justice wasn't served by their incarceration when everyone else was on the street.
No, not everyone is perfect, but everyone shouild be striving towards that goal, otherwise murder and robbery becomes acceptable. This strive towards perfection includes the individuals who make these decisions as to when to release a product. If the product isn't complete and the excuse, "Oh well, nobody's perfect" is used, how far down that road do you really want to go? The question might be asked, will their next sub sim actually include a sub? Don't fret, the mods will fix it.

Would you buy a house without windows?

[wetwarev7]

If every member here donates 20 Bucks we can hire the dev team and they make the patch for us...and than Silent Hunter 5 and we sell it our own....:arrgh!:

Andreas

Now this is the best idea I've heard so far. How many coders do we have between us?

I wonder how well it would work, for us to pool our money together, maybe a pledge system or something, and put it up for grabs for any dev group willing to make what we want? They could recieve payment only when we voted and decided the product was finished to our satisfaction....

Ok, I've started a thread on this, so we don't hijack this one:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115165

[PepsiCan]

' 'Wir wissen dass die Situation momentan sehr aufgeheizt ist und wir sind momentan dabei eure Raktionen zu beobachten und zu dokumentieren.

Gleichzeitig arbeiten wir in Zusammenarbeit mit Subsim.com an einer Liste um Probleme in Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific zu erkennen und weitere Schritte zu planen. '

Which translates to:

"We know that the situation is very heated at the moment and we are here to register your responses and document them.

At the same time we are working together with subsim.com on a list to recognise problems in SH4 and to plan on further steps."

An eduction pays off sometimes.

[terrapin]

' 'Wir wissen dass die Situation momentan sehr aufgeheizt ist und wir sind momentan dabei eure Raktionen zu beobachten und zu dokumentieren.

Gleichzeitig arbeiten wir in Zusammenarbeit mit Subsim.com an einer Liste um Probleme in Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific zu erkennen und weitere Schritte zu planen. '

Which translates to:

"We know that the situation is very heated at the moment and we are here to register your responses and document them.

At the same time we are working together with subsim.com on a list to recognise problems in SH4 and to plan on further steps."

An eduction pays off sometimes.

Maybe we better wait for Neal's comment before assuming anything too positive.

[HunterICX]

Maybe they had enough of all the drama,

look if there is a patch , sit back

if there is going to be no patch, well UBI signs its own grave right there.

[Forlorn]

It's hard not to be disappointed since many things are pretty broken, things in the manual do not work in the game. Having an highend PC the game still suffers heavy memory leaks, I still have see-through sailors (no no-dvd crack, original dvd and serial), radar broken, sonar weird to use... I can count a few more.

The game is very promising to become a very good basis for having IXD2 there... ;) Eyecandy is nice, the radio is probably the most fun for me.

[AVGWarhawk]

@AVGWarhammer

I've noticed a couple of times that you're quite happy with SHIV bar tha radar issues. This is great news if you've managed to make it stable, any chance you could list the mods you're using and any "tweaks" required so that all the rest of us might also be able to play the game ?

Thanks in advance mate,

Hans.

Sure can! My system:

AMD 64 3200+
1 gig RAM
Visiontek Radeon XGE X1300 512mb video card
Onboard sound.

Yep, not a super machine. I have all sliders to the right. Options unchecked: EE(fog is a killer for FPS), water glare, 3D water, sunlight rays(also a FPS killer). I get 15 fps as the average low and 60 fps is average high.

Mods installed:
USS Drum texture (hi res)
Green button mod
Reduced radio traffic mod(clipboard issue)
interface texture mod
Remove grainy look mod when using PPF. (great little mod here)

I have had exactly 3 CTD:
'A' key
Heavy weather and convoy(twice for this) I found my two girls had downloaded Sponge Bob games all day. Clean it up and defrag, none since. I guess I have about 100 hours of play time in.

Tweeks:
X2 on the AA (traded off PPF for the lower AA) X6 and PPF my FPS was crappy. I'm happy with the rendering.

That is it. Not a super computer by any means. Not to much tweeking. The game is very stable. As a side note, I installed vanilla, 1.1 then 1.2 right over it all. I do not know if this helps but it worked for me.

As for the radar....I just do a Crazy Ivan every now and then!

[AVGWarhawk]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/sh42007-05-1916-08-04-50.jpg


This is a sample underwater screenshot. It was not doctored up. I'm pleased with it.

[dean_acheson]

I might not be a very good attorney, but when people start talking lawsuit, it makes me roll my eyes. How moronic. Thanks guys, as if we don't live in a litigous enough world....

[StandingCow]

I might not be a very good attorney, but when people start talking lawsuit, it makes me roll my eyes. How moronic. Thanks guys, as if we don't live in a litigous enough world....

People that say that have no idea what is involved and often times are hoping somebody else do the work.... or to scare them into doing something... neither ever seems to happen.

We don't want lawsuits and court, we want a fun finished game. :)

[DirtyHarry3033]

@AVGWarhammer

I've noticed a couple of times that you're quite happy with SHIV bar tha radar issues. This is great news if you've managed to make it stable, any chance you could list the mods you're using and any "tweaks" required so that all the rest of us might also be able to play the game ?

Thanks in advance mate,

Hans.
Sure can! My system:

AMD 64 3200+
1 gig RAM
Visiontek Radeon XGE X1300 512mb video card
Onboard sound.

Yep, not a super machine. I have all sliders to the right. Options unchecked: EE(fog is a killer for FPS), water glare, 3D water, sunlight rays(also a FPS killer). I get 15 fps as the average low and 60 fps is average high.

Mods installed:
USS Drum texture (hi res)
Green button mod
Reduced radio traffic mod(clipboard issue)
interface texture mod
Remove grainy look mod when using PPF. (great little mod here)

I have had exactly 3 CTD:
'A' key
Heavy weather and convoy(twice for this) I found my two girls had downloaded Sponge Bob games all day. Clean it up and defrag, none since. I guess I have about 100 hours of play time in.

Tweeks:
X2 on the AA (traded off PPF for the lower AA) X6 and PPF my FPS was crappy. I'm happy with the rendering.

That is it. Not a super computer by any means. Not to much tweeking. The game is very stable. As a side note, I installed vanilla, 1.1 then 1.2 right over it all. I do not know if this helps but it worked for me.

As for the radar....I just do a Crazy Ivan every now and then!
AVGWarhawk, like you I've had 3 (count 'em THREE!!!) CTD's. None from pressing "A". Just 3 random CTD's for no apparent reason. Not bad considering I've been playing since release day and have 100-150 hrs play time so far.

As far as radar, I put on Ducimus' FTT 2.4 and my radar works no matter where I'm headed :up: That really makes a difference!!!

Uber Gruber, I don't know what the secret is to getting SH4 "stable" - I can only guess it's a certain combo of hardware, software, drivers, etc. that makes it either stable or unstable. Plain-vanilla 1.1 was totally stable for me, and 1.1 with mods added was also stable. Those 3 CTD's I got came after putting on 1.2 but they are so rare they're not worth my attention. Guess I got lucky somehow :oops:

At any rate, I'm hell-bent to enjoy this game. And with a little effort I can. I hope there will be a 1.3 and maybe even 1.4 but if there's not I doubt I'll commit seppuku. OTOH, if there's not a 1.3 I'll give many months of thought and observation before buying another UBI product, instead of jumping in headfirst like I did with SH4.

DH

[AVGWarhawk]

I was hoping the 1.3 patch to fix the radar but it not I will be looking into Ducimus fix. Until then, Crazy Ivan at the top of the hour!

[weldstress]

Hi All, I am a long time Lurker. However I feel like I need to say something here. I have been playing Sub Sims since Silent Service. So I have some background in this area. Mr. AVGWarhawke. From what I can gather you are a very reasonable person who obviously knows his stuff and loves Sub Sims. I do respect your point of view. I did agree that the game is playable. I also agreed about the Radar, I considered that the biggest issue in the game, everything else could be worked around. After playing for many days and weeks however I now believe that the weakest part of the game is the Japanese AI. I have experimented with this over and over. Yes sometimes they do the right thing but mostly they do not. Example - I set up in front of a convoy with 4 Escorts. Submerged, Scope up. Lead Destoyer passed by within 600 Yards. Never saw me. Put 3 torps into a freighter, waited, never moved. Left the Scope up. The Destroyer behind me made a run at me. But for some reason stopeed dead and ignored me. Convoy now has slowed to 2 knots or stopped completely. I reload, Shoot again. Hit another merchant. Still no reaction from the escorts or the merchants. This scenario has been repeated many times. I have lost all fear of the Japanese navy thus ruining any feeling of accomplishment. I have addressed this to you because you seem to be having so much fun with this sim. I was wondering if you have not experienced this behaviour and if not I'm wondering why
Sorry for the long post
Al

[SurfnSea]

Ok, Ok, point taken. Anyways, you are the guys who's playing the game. Not me, my copy is collecting dust already. I shall keep my mouth shut the next time I get lost in the forum and end up to the SH4 part.

Well my copy is gathering dust on a retailers shelf, so there:p

[Onkel Neal]

Comments :)

I started the ball rolling to demonstrate to Ubisoft, in a constructive way, that while SH4 is a fairly good game, with some excellent qualities, it still needs additional work to be a complete game, and a successful game. As a community leader, I’ve put forth the assertion that yes, SH4 falls short of the bar set by SH3. I try to be a reasonable man, I understand this is a business for Ubisoft and I respect that. So I do not expect every single thing I can imagine to be fixed and added, but after careful consideration, I am compelled in the interests of the players and Ubisoft to say, "It ain't done yet." That's my opinion. At times Ubisoft displays a monolithic silence; I don't like to be a pest and nag "what's the status of a patch?" But after getting a runaround, this guy says ask that guy, that guy says ask the other guy...I'll just ask all 26,000 of you. Do you agree, Ubisoft would benefit as well as we would benefit, by finishing the game?

Romania is the world’s best resource of skilled, experienced, and successful WWII subsim developers and artists and Ubisoft would be prudent to let them finish the job. Not only for the people who, in good faith, bought the game in its unfinished state, but even more importantly to the customer base who have not bought the game yet. The thousands who are considering buying it soon when they upgrade their PC with their tax return, their summer job money, or their quarterly bonus. The thousands who loved SH3 and would like to dive into SH4 but have held off because it was too rough until 1.2, and without additional work, would disappoint them. The thousands who are waiting to see if Ubisoft is going to set SH4 adrift with borked convoy leader AI, imperial measurement discrepancies, and a stopwatch that, while it has a great name, does not have an important feature to simulate a captain timing a target to estimate its speed.

The reason I don't make threats, employ harsh language, or distribute pitchforks is I respect Ubisoft. They damn well could avoid this whole situation and make a "Battlestations: Midway" clone, which is a nice little game, but it is not a simulation. And simulations like SH3/4 and IL-2 set Ubisoft apart from so many other game publishers who only make FPS, RPG, and kid's games. Ubisoft has a great asset in the Romanian devs, who love simulations and know simulations, and Ubi makes it possible to play a new subsim every few years. Ubisoft has come through in the past, with the beleaguered SH2, and the fantastic SH3, and I think it is sufficient to collect a few thousand posts showing interest in the 1.3 patch to achieve our goal: complete SH4 and keep subsims alive.

It's the same mantra I used in 2001, when SH2 came out; rough, hobbled, and lacking key features. I was a first hand witness to the tremendous amount of time, money, and work that went into SH2, and I cut the devs a little slack. Sure, it's not what we hoped for, but if it does not sell, no SH3... and we know how SH3 turned out--a landmark piece of work. So instead of leading Ubi to the gas chamber, I asked for and recieved the source code to SH2, a game that was not a year old, and hired a programmer to improve it. I paid him $1000 of my personal money upfront and you guys contributed another $9000. I felt this was necessary to keep the hobby alive. In this situation, Ubisoft should step up to the plate and let the dev team do their stuff.

Ubisoft made SH4 to sell as many copies as possible and to allow their talented dev team to create something unique, something they love. I want to see SH4 sell 200,000+ copies, for it's the only way there will be an SH5. And completing SH4 is a key part of ensuring its commercial success, let there be no doubt, Ubi.

Good hunting!
Neal

[MONOLITH]

Amen Neal.

I wasn't aware of the SH2 story. I'm impressed. And humbled.

[U-Bones]

This is a sample underwater screenshot. It was not doctored up. I'm pleased with it.
That can't be stock water ? It looks clearer and cleaner than my modded water.

[DJSatane]

Maybe if the community would have been a bit more supportive towards the devs when the game came out they would consider making the 1.3.

First of all, devs have no say how much support the game will get, how long and when the game is released. ZERO. In this case its all up to UBI, they pay for it all.

Second of all, money talk. Silent Hunter 4 was top PC selling game during the first few weeks of its release. Community was well supportive for purchasing this game and showing its support with what counts the most: sales results.

So, please stop trying to find excuses for quite early termination of support of this game by UBI. If UBI really cared about this game in the first place it would never be released in such poor shape.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hi All, I am a long time Lurker. However I feel like I need to say something here. I have been playing Sub Sims since Silent Service. So I have some background in this area. Mr. AVGWarhawke. From what I can gather you are a very reasonable person who obviously knows his stuff and loves Sub Sims. I do respect your point of view. I did agree that the game is playable. I also agreed about the Radar, I considered that the biggest issue in the game, everything else could be worked around. After playing for many days and weeks however I now believe that the weakest part of the game is the Japanese AI. I have experimented with this over and over. Yes sometimes they do the right thing but mostly they do not. Example - I set up in front of a convoy with 4 Escorts. Submerged, Scope up. Lead Destoyer passed by within 600 Yards. Never saw me. Put 3 torps into a freighter, waited, never moved. Left the Scope up. The Destroyer behind me made a run at me. But for some reason stopeed dead and ignored me. Convoy now has slowed to 2 knots or stopped completely. I reload, Shoot again. Hit another merchant. Still no reaction from the escorts or the merchants. This scenario has been repeated many times. I have lost all fear of the Japanese navy thus ruining any feeling of accomplishment. I have addressed this to you because you seem to be having so much fun with this sim. I was wondering if you have not experienced this behaviour and if not I'm wondering why
Sorry for the long post
Al
Actually I read on this forum that this is a bug with the convoy and this conveyed from a developer as I understand it. Yes the AI need some work for sure. Then again, I have seen some tha react very well. I had two ships that turned tail and attempted to run for it after I surfaced. Not to mention they blasted me with cannons. I do like the mixed bag of good and dumb DD. You never know what you are going to get. The good DD sometimes are precise with DC and you know it. Sometimes they are so dumb it is almost comical. So yes, I have had the stopping convoy when in all reality they should be zigging and zagging like mad!!!! I believe this might be modible so I'm going after the major fixes that the deves need to handle. Mostly the radar at this point.

As far as having a blast with this game....yes I am! Last night I discovered resupply ships hanging out in coves. I'm slowly figuring out how to work the missions so there are no repeats. As I progress in my career(I'm in Dec of 42 right now), I want to see if escorts become more aggressive or if their radar is present and working. Currently, with exception of IL2, this is the only game on my hard drive. I have not played IL2 since this game was released. So yep, really having fun with it.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is a sample underwater screenshot. It was not doctored up. I'm pleased with it. That can't be stock water ? It looks clearer and cleaner than my modded water.

This is stock water my friend. I loved the water from day one and have no intentions of changing it. My mods as listed a few posts back. Just some texture mods and reduced radio traffic for the nasty clipboard hang up. That is all.

[kakemann]

AWG Warhawk... Nice signature! ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

AWG Warhawk... Nice signature! ;)

I found that while looking for PPI on sonars. It said, "Radar will win the war!" Hence the grim reapers hand and radar on it. Symbolizing radar as death for the Axis. Seems they were correct. I though it kind of a cool way to get UBI to fix the radar!;)

[U-Bones]

This is a sample underwater screenshot. It was not doctored up. I'm pleased with it. That can't be stock water ? It looks clearer and cleaner than my modded water.
This is stock water my friend. I loved the water from day one and have no intentions of changing it. My mods as listed a few posts back. Just some texture mods and reduced radio traffic for the nasty clipboard hang up. That is all.

Weird. I did notice your mod list which was why I asked. The water looks so diff from what I see at stock. - most notably less floaters. Guess it was just a nice sunny winter day.

[SteamWake]

Do you agree, Ubisoft would benefit as well as we would benefit, by finishing the game?

Neal

By leaving it unfinished they are sending a clear message that they do not care about there image, products, and consumers.

Not to mention a lack of "pride" and professional behaviour.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is a sample underwater screenshot. It was not doctored up. I'm pleased with it. That can't be stock water ? It looks clearer and cleaner than my modded water.
This is stock water my friend. I loved the water from day one and have no intentions of changing it. My mods as listed a few posts back. Just some texture mods and reduced radio traffic for the nasty clipboard hang up. That is all.
Weird. I did notice your mod list which was why I asked. The water looks so diff from what I see at stock. - most notably less floaters. Guess it was just a nice sunny winter day.
There are plenty floaters for sure, this was a sunny day below the surface and a close up of the sub. Perhaps it blurred out the floaters. She is definitly stock though.

[ENtek-IO]

What makes you all think ShIV deserves more patches then ShIII??
They left ShIII unfinshed and even before considering to make SHIV they should have fixed SHIII! They didnt,.. go figure.
ANd if they do give it a third one, wait till you see the reaction to that... if i say i would be superpissed ,it would be the understatement of the century.

Btw they wont get my money for this one,while SHIII i bought blind.

[Gizzmoe]

What makes you all think ShIV deserves more patches then ShIII??

Who said that it deserves more patches than SH3? There were four patches for SH3 and only two for SH4 so far.

[ENtek-IO]

Well i count two official patch execs in my addon folder,although its true that the version numbers go up to 1.4b. If there was 1.1 and 1.2 i must have missed them..somehow.:)