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DanCanovas
05-21-07, 03:10 PM
For the last 2 days I have watched the lengthy Channel 4 documentary on Israel and Palestine.
First of all I would like to say, that I have been a long time supporter of Israel and its people, whether its shared democratic values or its ability to survive against the odds I am uncertain. Indeed I found myself at University a few years ago defending Israeli policy against a tide of pro-Palestinian sentiment.
The documentary really surprised me and was quite emotional. The first part was very balanced and concentrated on the problems of land and ownership in Jerusulem. Both sides seem to have an ignorance of the other and you can see this when the reporters are moving from side to side, from area to area.
The 2nd part has just finished and I really found myself questioning whether I do hold the same values as the poeple of Israel. I saw film of Jewish kids continuously pelting families with stones as they went to school, I saw a Palestinian man who has to walk through 3 check points up a street to get to his house. I completely understand the need for check points in light of the terror of the past but the guy walks through these 3 check points every single day, twice a day. He is made to wait 30 minutes at the final check point whilst settlers stream past. its embarassment plain and simple, no defence, nothing. The soldier knew who he was and he was forced to wait 30 minutes.
I saw a family evicted from their home and moved to a small building next to their house whilst settlers occupied the building. When the deputy defence minister was confronted by the reporters, he apologises and say it is being sorted out, the settlers had still not got out! its an absolute disgrace.
I saw groups of people lined up shouting at Palestinian children, 1 woman shouting "im going to kill her, this is a Jewish street".... And you know what I saw the whole time, German people and soldiers standing in the same spot as those settlers shouting the same things.
Now I am very sympathetic towards what Israel has gone through and I think i'll always consider myself pro-Israel because my heart tells me that these people hold the same values as me, but this was a real shocker for me and I was very disappointed.
Dan
I'd be pissed if I was a Palestinian. In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Be ready for a bunch of right wing spoon fed comments to fly your way.
they hate us for our freedom!
No
They hate us because we tread on them
And steal their land.
In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Quite.. seems to be the Palestinian side though:hmm:
The Avon Lady
05-21-07, 03:35 PM
In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Quite.. seems to be the Palestinian side though:hmm:
Precisely.
Dan, you saw cheap out-of-context crap.
DanCanovas
05-21-07, 03:42 PM
In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Quite.. seems to be the Palestinian side though:hmm:
Precisely.
Dan, you saw cheap out-of-context crap.
yes I know what your saying and I do know how biased the western media can be with this situation. I was just really surprised at how some people were acting. For me my admiration for Israel and its people comes from their "higher moral ground", this is how I feel anyway. But I was surprised to see how low even some Israeli's went. He did talk to some Israeli families too, one whose son had bunked off school and ended up getting stoned to death by Palestinians.
It all seems a right mess.
You can see such a difference in the social structure and education of the 2 communities and I use the term intentionally, they really are very different 2 separate communities.
Heibges
05-21-07, 06:44 PM
It's a sad situation all around. Arabs and Jews were both bullied by the Europeans and/or Turks for a long time.
After all they went through with the Holocaust, you would have hoped that when the Jews found a place where they could found the State of Israel, that it would have been in a place and with folks, with whom they could have peaceful co-existance.
I can only say that both sides are a little right, and both sides are a little wrong.
Happy Times
05-21-07, 06:52 PM
In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Quite.. seems to be the Palestinian side though:hmm:
Precisely.
X 3 :yep:
Those people are probably just so tired to it all that their emotions have gotten better of them..
This is a theological battle that was going on a long time before 1948, and like all religious battles, it gets twisted, bent to people's will, usually in a bad way.
People of the Jewish faith were persecuted for a long time in Europe, you only have to read Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice to realise that. And of course the Second World War was no picnic for them either. But similarly, the Islamic peoples of the Middle East were persecuted in numerous crusades, again largely the result of personal agendas hidden under the banner of religion, again at the behest of the European nations. As if that isn't bad enough, the Arabs also got used in the First and Second World War to further the Empire ambitions of many European countries.
So what you end up with, is a completely messed up situation, with most of the blame for that mess able to be laid at Europe's door.
Then comes the formation of the State of Israel, and who could blame followers of the Jewish faith from being pleased about that? But similarly, who could blame the Arabs who got shifted to one side to allow the state to be created, from being less than thrilled about it? How on Earth could one expect a peaceful resolution to such a situation?
So we get Islamic fundamentalists, who in their eyes are perfectly justified in bombing and kidnapping and ransoming etc. After all, if you put yourself in their shoes, what they are doing is no different from what the French Resistance did when the Nazis took over their country. Needless to say however, the Israelis can hardly be blamed for wanting to defend a Jewish homeland, as they've seen what happens when they tried to practice their religion in Europe all those years ago. Unfortunately, in order to do that, they end up acting like the Nazis did in persecuting the people of the land they took over, which is perhaps the supreme irony, given that they were once the victims of such a set up.
Basically, if you look up cl*sterf*ck in the dictionary, it should say: See the Middle East.
This is why I'm not a fan of religion. The way I look at it is; why should I need to go to a building with a cross or a crescent or a star on its roof once a week (or day) to be a nice person? I can do that without organised religion telling me not to steal, kill, lie etc. And it's one of the reasons why I think the scene in Monty Python's The Life of Brian, where John Cleese says: 'He's the real Messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few!' is perhaps one of the funniest, yet most tragic lines of dialogue that's ever been written.
Sad, and no end in sight either.
:D Chock
Heibges
05-21-07, 07:24 PM
'He's the real Messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few!' is perhaps one of the funniest, yet most tragic lines of dialogue that's ever been written.
Sad, and no end in sight either.
:D Chock
I think of Lawrence of Arabia when Omar Shariff says to Alec Guiness ,"the peace will be much harder than the war."
Yup, great movie, and it highlights the different attitudes and culture clashes quite well. But it also does that with its casting, in that many of the Arabic characters are played by Europeans.
So even in a movie that is somewhat sympathetic to the Arabs, it displays prejudices.
:D Chock
kiwi_2005
05-21-07, 08:57 PM
Both sides are human with emotions running on the edge, i suppose if bombs went of around my neigbourhood i would be pretty jumpy and quick to blame the other too.
DanCanovas
05-22-07, 02:55 AM
what is evident is the amount of hate that children on both sides display! i think "we're" in for a very rough future in the region.
Yup, great movie, and it highlights the different attitudes and culture clashes quite well. But it also does that with its casting, in that many of the Arabic characters are played by Europeans.
So even in a movie that is somewhat sympathetic to the Arabs, it displays prejudices.
:D Chock
Somehow I doubt the makers were spoiled for choice of good Arab actors who could also speak perfect English.
DanCanovas
05-22-07, 05:08 AM
MOG!! bloody hell mate, long time no see!! :up:
what is evident is the amount of hate that children on both sides display! i think "we're" in for a very rough future in the region.
Or perhaps to put it another way - it's business as usual then.
Honestly, I cannot see anything changing in that part of the world; short of one 'side' or the other being totally wiped out, there will never be peace as we understand it. There's far too much animosity perpetuated down through the decades/centuries for any justification to truly shine through all of the prejudice and hate fostered on both sides.
Example: Arabs fire missiles at settlement/school/residential area and kill some Israelis/civilians. Israelis air strike a school/residential area/possible terrorist Arabs/civilians.
I ask you, how can you have progress when faced with that?
The 'cease-fires' are merely that, a temporary cessation of shooting, not a lasting resolve or peace.
If you believe in God or whatever, then tough luck - The Holy Land won't be worth **** by the time they're all finnished with it. :nope:
moose1am
05-22-07, 02:55 PM
I'd be pissed if I was a Palestinian. In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Be ready for a bunch of right wing spoon fed comments to fly your way.
they hate us for our freedom!
No
They hate us because we tread on them
And steal their land.
Well said. I hate it when the Right Wingers say that they are stealing our freedom or hate the US because of our freedom. That's total BS. They hate us because we are taking away their freedoms in their lands. I am talking about Iraq. We invaded this country to steal their oil. The invastion of Iraq and the occupation of this middle east country has stirred up the biggest hornets next in the history of mankind. Just wait until Iran gets the bomb. It won't be much longer and they have increased their numbers of centrifuges that are being used to enrich uranium so that they can build atomic bombs by the dozens.
As gas price continue to rise the American Public will get madder and madder until all hell breaks loose here.
China will want its share of the oil in the middle east and so will India. Pakistan already has atomic weapons and that is why we (USA) won't go into Pakistan to pull Bin Ladin out of there. Remember when Bush said that any country that harbors Al Queda would be our enemy. He said you are either with us or against us. Well if Pakistan is harboring Bin Ladin and the other Al Queda and Taliban troublemakers then Pakistan is not with us. That's pretty obvious to see.
But hell the Oil Companies are getting what they want out of Bush's Presidency. Higher Oil and Gas Prices and Record Profits for the stock owners and CEO' of EXXON and SHELL and BP.
I'd be pissed if I was a Palestinian. In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Be ready for a bunch of right wing spoon fed comments to fly your way.
they hate us for our freedom!
No
They hate us because we tread on them
And steal their land.
Well said. I hate it when the Right Wingers say that they are stealing our freedom or hate the US because of our freedom. That's total BS. They hate us because we are taking away their freedoms in their lands. I am talking about Iraq. We invaded this country to steal their oil. The invastion of Iraq and the occupation of this middle east country has stirred up the biggest hornets next in the history of mankind. Just wait until Iran gets the bomb. It won't be much longer and they have increased their numbers of centrifuges that are being used to enrich uranium so that they can build atomic bombs by the dozens.
As gas price continue to rise the American Public will get madder and madder until all hell breaks loose here.
China will want its share of the oil in the middle east and so will India. Pakistan already has atomic weapons and that is why we (USA) won't go into Pakistan to pull Bin Ladin out of there. Remember when Bush said that any country that harbors Al Queda would be our enemy. He said you are either with us or against us. Well if Pakistan is harboring Bin Ladin and the other Al Queda and Taliban troublemakers then Pakistan is not with us. That's pretty obvious to see.
But hell the Oil Companies are getting what they want out of Bush's Presidency. Higher Oil and Gas Prices and Record Profits for the stock owners and CEO' of EXXON and SHELL and BP.
You way over simplify a very complex situation.
There is no "One" man or thing to hang the blame on...it is the cumulation of thousands of years killing by all sides each laying claim to lands that no-one can own truly...can an immortal being that lives barley a hundred years posses the Earth which has stood for thousands...or millions if your an evolutionist?
No
Herein lies our own judgement...that we love Death more than Life.We will all reap what we have sown....get over it.
Carry a gun, die by a gun...have nuclear bombs, it is only a matter of time when some will go off.Live by the sword, die by it.
Prepare yourselves is the only wise thing you can do...prepare your soul to meet it's maker.
http://www.psotd.com/files/T304824A.jpg
hey, thats the four horsemen!
they look mean
DanCanovas
05-23-07, 04:28 AM
I'd be pissed if I was a Palestinian. In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Be ready for a bunch of right wing spoon fed comments to fly your way.
they hate us for our freedom!
No
They hate us because we tread on them
And steal their land.
Well said. I hate it when the Right Wingers say that they are stealing our freedom or hate the US because of our freedom. That's total BS. They hate us because we are taking away their freedoms in their lands. I am talking about Iraq. We invaded this country to steal their oil. The invastion of Iraq and the occupation of this middle east country has stirred up the biggest hornets next in the history of mankind. Just wait until Iran gets the bomb. It won't be much longer and they have increased their numbers of centrifuges that are being used to enrich uranium so that they can build atomic bombs by the dozens.
As gas price continue to rise the American Public will get madder and madder until all hell breaks loose here.
China will want its share of the oil in the middle east and so will India. Pakistan already has atomic weapons and that is why we (USA) won't go into Pakistan to pull Bin Ladin out of there. Remember when Bush said that any country that harbors Al Queda would be our enemy. He said you are either with us or against us. Well if Pakistan is harboring Bin Ladin and the other Al Queda and Taliban troublemakers then Pakistan is not with us. That's pretty obvious to see.
But hell the Oil Companies are getting what they want out of Bush's Presidency. Higher Oil and Gas Prices and Record Profits for the stock owners and CEO' of EXXON and SHELL and BP.
You way over simplify a very complex situation.
There is no "One" man or thing to hang the blame on...it is the cumulation of thousands of years killing by all sides each laying claim to lands that no-one can own truly...can an immortal being that lives barley a hundred years posses the Earth which has stood for thousands...or millions if your an evolutionist?
No
Herein lies our own judgement...that we love Death more than Life.We will all reap what we have sown....get over it.
Carry a gun, die by a gun...have nuclear bombs, it is only a matter of time when some will go off.Live by the sword, die by it.
Prepare yourselves is the only wise thing you can do...prepare your soul to meet it's maker.
http://www.psotd.com/files/T304824A.jpg
christ its all doom and gloom! :shifty:
HunterICX
05-23-07, 04:40 AM
Really, what we have now is Old news.
There's always been a Conflict between the Religious groups, and that will never end.
because really who's right in this Conflict?
we all do terrible things to eachother in the name of God.
silly thought in the end...we do it for the same figure.
most of the wars have been fought because of religious causes.
and if you look close enough, you cant understand why we do it.
my thoughts
HunterICX
kiwi_2005
05-23-07, 04:49 AM
I'd be pissed if I was a Palestinian. In the west we're fed one side of the story.
Be ready for a bunch of right wing spoon fed comments to fly your way.
they hate us for our freedom!
No
They hate us because we tread on them
And steal their land.
Well said. I hate it when the Right Wingers say that they are stealing our freedom or hate the US because of our freedom. That's total BS. They hate us because we are taking away their freedoms in their lands. I am talking about Iraq. We invaded this country to steal their oil. The invastion of Iraq and the occupation of this middle east country has stirred up the biggest hornets next in the history of mankind. Just wait until Iran gets the bomb. It won't be much longer and they have increased their numbers of centrifuges that are being used to enrich uranium so that they can build atomic bombs by the dozens.
As gas price continue to rise the American Public will get madder and madder until all hell breaks loose here.
China will want its share of the oil in the middle east and so will India. Pakistan already has atomic weapons and that is why we (USA) won't go into Pakistan to pull Bin Ladin out of there. Remember when Bush said that any country that harbors Al Queda would be our enemy. He said you are either with us or against us. Well if Pakistan is harboring Bin Ladin and the other Al Queda and Taliban troublemakers then Pakistan is not with us. That's pretty obvious to see.
But hell the Oil Companies are getting what they want out of Bush's Presidency. Higher Oil and Gas Prices and Record Profits for the stock owners and CEO' of EXXON and SHELL and BP.
You way over simplify a very complex situation.
There is no "One" man or thing to hang the blame on...it is the cumulation of thousands of years killing by all sides each laying claim to lands that no-one can own truly...can an immortal being that lives barley a hundred years posses the Earth which has stood for thousands...or millions if your an evolutionist?
No
Herein lies our own judgement...that we love Death more than Life.We will all reap what we have sown....get over it.
Carry a gun, die by a gun...have nuclear bombs, it is only a matter of time when some will go off.Live by the sword, die by it.
Prepare yourselves is the only wise thing you can do...prepare your soul to meet it's maker.
http://www.psotd.com/files/T304824A.jpg
christ its all doom and gloom! :shifty:
Yeah and i ask myself, Why? God the mightly God the creator, i got a 1001 questions to ask him when i stand before him. And i will ask them! He better be ready for me when i do!!! :D
robbo180265
05-23-07, 05:12 AM
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/HOLY_BIBLE_a7a7a7.jpg
DanCanovas
05-23-07, 05:15 AM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
robbo180265
05-23-07, 05:29 AM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If anybody is offended I'll pull it. I just thought it was quite funny and very apt. It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the trouble
DanCanovas
05-23-07, 05:34 AM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If anybody is offended I'll pull it. I just thought it was quite funny and very apt. It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the trouble
I completely agree. but alot of people don't see things like that.
robbo180265
05-23-07, 05:37 AM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If anybody is offended I'll pull it. I just thought it was quite funny and very apt. It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the trouble
I completely agree. but alot of people don't see things like that.
Which is why there are so many wars in the name of religion.
Skybird
05-23-07, 05:55 AM
Two things almost all people have in common: they try to avoid pain, and they are looking for happiness. Several philosophies mention this, sometimes more, sometimes less clearly, but Siddharta imo was the one stressing this simple truth and reflecting it in his thoughts more than anyone else.
Beyond that, all people are craving for sense and meaning int heir lives, want answers to the simple, "great" questions: Where from, where to, how long, why?
Even a religion-denying arch-materialist cannot escape to try to become happy, and give his living a meaning. His way is consummation maybe, but still it is his attempt to deal with these questions that he tries to evade. Like communication theory stresses that it is impossible not to communicate, I would stress that it is impossible for human beings not to be spiritual beings. But sometimes we go wrong in our search for answers and ways to avoid pain, become happy, and add meaning to life. this does not change the basic fact that we nevertheless try.
Concerning "religions", these usually are systems that are associated with then teachings of historical figures that are considered these religions' founders. I think it is always wise to analyse if the historical record of deeds and actings of a religion - is in congruence or violation of that person's teachings. Where necessary, since both things may prove to be very different, one should never forget that difference and make clear to what one is referring when talking of "religion". So, if you think you see a religion doing harm in history, you should always check if this harm is in congruence or violation of the founder's teachings. Here is were the true qualitative differences between religions, at least on a theoretical level, appear. Not all religions are of equal value. something is not worthy jut because it is labelled as religion or culture by some. Too often theoretical systems today are tried to be made unreachable for critical analysis and criticism by just saying "This is my culture, this is my religion". True religion demands empirical experience of wether or not it's claims are true, else it turns into superstition, and personal cult, corruptous institutions, and mindsets of extremely limited perspective.
There are plenty of these cults and their followers usually don't like to be told these things. They do not seek truth, they seek for being confirmed in their cosy nest that they built of their personal imaginations of what their idol is. checking the truth in that is not what they are interested in. They even consider it to be a virtue not to do so. But nevertheless: it is no virtue, but weakness.
And overcompensating this weakness often is the true, deeper cause of the violence being done in the name of "religion". In other words: it is blindness and helplessness that causes "religious" people committing the most outraging acts of brutality and violence in the name of their beliefs. Stopping them we must, of course. That does not exclude that we can understand why they are like they are. but for that we mist stop to assume that every system of believing is as true and worthy and valuable as any other such system. We must stop to indiscriminately assume that something is to be tolerated simply because this "something" calls itself already a religion, a culture, or whatever. we must learn the limits of tolerance. And in doing this, the various religions of the world by far are not on the same level.You can read that from the level of religiously motivated violence and intolerance int heir societies, the way the behave to wards other religions, and the level of aggressiveness by which they move and act around the globe.
Really, not everything is of the same value just because it exists. That's why evolution has stopped many, many design experiments during the history of life. Some ways, some philosophies, some religions are simply nothing else than dead ends, leading nowhere.
The Holy Land is the most clever mouse trap Mr. "Satan" ever has set up. Instead of crushing that diabolic trap, people continue to fall victim to it, thinking that they are pleasing their idols that way. The holy land makes them doing all kinds of cruel things to others, and they consider that to be their religious duty, or heritage, the very pious ones even think it is their right to do so. Who ever feels concerned, may check for the logic and justice in acting like this. Logic and spirituality are no antagonists - they are mutual supportive necessities.
Having been a battleground for rivalling tribes since centuries if not millenia before the Romans, before Jesus, before Muhammad, then having been a rebellious Jewish province of the Roman empire, and after emperor Augustus' reign officially being "Christian", it then was taken by Islam with force, and then was tried to get recaptured by the initial crusades, and then again fell to Islam completely for centuries, then was taken by the Jewish state, the Holy Land now is even a possible cause for a third World War, if there ever will be one.
It can't be more away from life, and holiness, can it?
HOLY land? what kind of holiness is this? Rocks, and sands, drowned with blood and silly claims and superstitious beliefs since centuries? It's a land of death and destruction, nothing else, the place of human soul's ongoing torment. Say yourself, what does a mother do if her two children start fighting and shouting for one toy both want to have? If a reasonable settlement is not possible, a deal of any kind, she takes away the toy from both, and none of them will have it. That's what should be done with these damn holy places, too. There is no sign of holiness, but a history of doom. Evolution will have it's way towards ongoing development anyway - either by getting our sick minds beyond our mental blocks, or by leaving our sick minds behind her and all life, closing the chapter of this experiment called homo sapiens once and forever.
Education is important, and access to historical raw data. A policy, a religion trying to limit these, or to prevent these, or to censor these, must be forced back at all cost (at ALL cost), else it results in a society of murderous idiots.
Do not put faith in traditions, even though they have been accepted for long generations and in many countries. Do not believe a thing be-cause many repeat it. Do not accept a thing on the authority of one or another of the sages of old, nor on the ground of statements as found in the books. Never believe anything because probability is in its favour. Do not believe in that which you yourselves have imagined, thinking that a god has inspired it. Believe nothing merely on the authority of the teachers or the priests. After examination, believe that which you have tested for yourself and found reasonable, which is in conformity with your well being and that of others.
hey, thats the four horsemen!
they look mean
WHERE'S THEIR TROUSERS???
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If anybody is offended I'll pull it. I just thought it was quite funny and very apt. It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the trouble
I liked it! and so did my daughter (she asked me to say that!), the trouble with people who believe in gods is they still think they can bully people into questioning their daft ideas. Every time a picture like that is shown it's a blow for civilisation and reason.
Robbo IIRC I don't agree with most of your posts but I'd buy you a beer for that one.
Mike
Frau_Phillips
05-23-07, 12:34 PM
I refuse to side with either agenda. The truth is, the people of both Israel and Palestine are human beings, and if one side wins, the other side has to lose.
I advocate compromise instead, because I absolutely don't want to see anyone over there suffer.
While part of me is happy to see the Israelis finally find their Holy Land, my heart hurts for all the people who lived there originally and were displaced.
The whole situation bloody sucks if you ask me!
robbo180265
05-23-07, 12:35 PM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If anybody is offended I'll pull it. I just thought it was quite funny and very apt. It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the trouble
I liked it! and so did my daughter (she asked me to say that!), the trouble with people who believe in gods is they still think they can bully people into questioning their daft ideas. Every time a picture like that is shown it's a blow for civilisation and reason.
Robbo IIRC I don't agree with most of your posts but I'd buy you a beer for that one.
Mike
You're on matey:up:
kiwi_2005
05-23-07, 04:02 PM
I watched a different theory on yahoovideo about the nazi's "The nazi Occult Conspiracies" According to this document which had nazi youth in their 90's interviewed speaking about Nazism which from their experience was base on a religeon.
Himmler was the main fanatic, Hitler was the High priest, the New Messiah the Lord. Accodring to Nazi beliefs, 1000's of yrs ago in the north Atlantic their lived a super race who were the true Atlantians, before the major earthquake that sent Altantis to the bottom some of these super men escaped, and found themselves in Tibet. The tibetians and supermen are the same, tibetian indians were considered by the nazi's as one of their own. Some of these supermen moved to europe where the Germanic race began. Over the thousand of yrs the supermen died out because of the mixing with other races. Himmler sent many expeditions to tibet during the 1930's to find evidence of the supermen. The first supermen were not born from mothers but actually thrown out of Heaven because they turned against the Gods. The nazis wanted to create the new supermen or master race. They believe all pure blood germans were descendants of this ppl. The burning of the bibles and runes on certain nazi flags, the nazi emblem, the secret expeditions the killing of any german with disabilities, the nazi rituals and the murder of the Jews, all based on the purity of creating the autimate race and going back to there true roots.:roll:
Interesting documentary.
Im so glad i have broadband i can now watch all these documentaries :D, Ive had very little sleep in the past weeks!
Skybird
05-23-07, 05:53 PM
I wish they just would have built a flying saucer and launched to return home to Alpha Centauri.
NefariousKoel
05-23-07, 08:32 PM
I find that quite amusing but I think you will offend some people greatly by posting that. Having said that it will be accepted...if it was the Koran, there would be an uproar
If it was the Koran, there'd be even more bad words on the warning label.:shifty:
Frau_Phillips
05-23-07, 10:05 PM
Its just a book! I'm a Christian, so I believe a bunch, but I know you have to take it all with a grain of salt. It tells you that the trees clapped their hands in there, but you won't see me standing outside with a boombox trying to start a jam session with the live oaks in my backyard.
NefariousKoel
05-24-07, 12:09 AM
Its just a book! I'm a Christian, so I believe a bunch, but I know you have to take it all with a grain of salt. It tells you that the trees clapped their hands in there, but you won't see me standing outside with a boombox trying to start a jam session with the live oaks in my backyard.
Too bad more people don't think like the realist you are. :yep:
Skybird
05-24-07, 04:40 AM
It tells you that the trees clapped their hands in there, but you won't see me standing outside with a boombox trying to start a jam session with the live oaks in my backyard.
Hehe, nicely said!
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