will we ever see a SH V ?

[corvette k225]

with the problem in getting a good patch for SHIV, Iam starting to wonder if we will ever see a SHV, a good U-boat sim. So is Ubisoft done with making a U-boat sim?? or any subsim :oops: :oops:

[Hitman]

If the ideas suggested by some people of starting legal actions against UBI and boycotting go on, probably we will not see a SH5:hmm:

[ReM]

I think we are witnessing the sinking of the Silent Hunter series right here and now...

I hope not, but this is what I think is happening...

[terrapin]

summing up all my infos I'm pretty sure we won't see a SHV from UBI.

[Dowly]

Really depends on how they go with SHIV. If they leave it to patch 1.2, there's no point on doing SHV as who would like to buy yet another unfinished Silent Hunter?

[SmokinTep]

What would they use as a theater of operations for a SHV?

[vasmann]

with the problem in getting a good patch for SHIV, Iam starting to wonder if we will ever see a SHV, a good U-boat sim. So is Ubisoft done with making a U-boat sim?? or any subsim :oops: :oops: And what will it bring to us?
As it was before, ubi will dismiss old group of developers and will form new one :-) which means new bugs and the same story. I don't want SHV, a have SH3 with GWX and may be (I don't know yet) I want working copy of SHIV (I have legal but not working :-().

[corvette k225]

I just hope that Ubisoft, will make SHV and make it a U-boat sim, if there is no more sims from Ubisoft, I wonder about the health of Subsim. I donot have SHIV on my hard drive and I donnot miss it . :D

[vasmann]

I just hope that Ubisoft, will make SHV and make it a U-boat sim, if there is no more sims from Ubisoft, I wonder about the health of Subsim. I donot have SHIV on my hard drive and I donnot miss it . :D
Why you are asking for SHV if we have SHIII about u-boots? Game play is excellent, may be graphics not as in SHiV, but as you said "I donnot miss it" :-). If they would made patch 1.5 with enabling AI u-boots, AI torpedoes... uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, it would be great, but it will not happen. Even without this features SHIII is great and as for me SHIV sucks? may be this is tha matter of time?

[Jimbuna]

SHV to me (in an ideal world) = SH3(GWX) + SHIV (patched and working)....combined so the player could play either side in either theatre :rock: :up:

[vasmann]

SHV to me (in an ideal world) = SH3(GWX) + SHIV (patched and working)....combined so the player could play either side in either theatre :rock: :up:
100% agree :rock:

[GakunGak]

They're killing the simulation....:smug:
Damn, he got that right....:|\\
Me, I would personally like to see US/USSR nukes, but given the fact that UBI cannot even patch their product, I have no hopes for SH5...:cry:

[bigboywooly]

IMHO I doubt Ubi will release another in the Silent Hunter series
Pity
Having said that whats the point of releasing more if they cant finish the ones they have released

I fully understand ppl wanting to boycott Ubi too
A lot of ppl paid out hard earned money for limited editions etc and we all know how the game is so no point going over it again
While I dont condone the threats of sueing etc I cant for the life of me understand why so many in this forum are against dev bashing in case Ubi drops the sims
They arent doing us a favour
We PAY for their work
And we EXPECT a finished game

Citing other games unfinished is irrelevant too
We are not interested in those
Just the SH series

Tis indicative of the way its going
XXX game was buggy so we shouldnt expect that this one isnt the same
Yes we should
We pay for a playable working game and dont get it
So vote with your pocket and dont buy any more from them
Maybe its the only way they will learn
Yeah I know sub sims are a niche market but sales are sales
And if every player of every genre of game did the same with the half finished ones they would have to take notice and finish the job

You think they might have learnt from SH3 but seems they didnt
Again IMHO they got worse

[Bindolaf]

How about the heroic early nuclear submarine age :) Nautilus, Sturgeon against Kilo, Foxtrot, Juliets! Man, I miss some of the good ole sims :up:

[Alex]

Even if Ubi doesn't make a SHV, Kpt Lehmann told us that after a lot of work (conversion to SHIV), GWX will run as a SH4 expansion : So IMHO, relax, we can trust the GWX team cause they've never disappointed us. :cool:

[dcb]

Mine is not a very different opinion than what's been already voiced here. I don't really think we're gonna see a SH V from Ubi, as long as they are taking a lot of time to even fix the current "superstar" of the series. And especially as they resorted to publicity stunts like "People, if you want it fixed, then cast your vote on the Ubi forum and show them how much you really want this patch." And this is only about fixing what's broken.:down:
Or asking players to post, on the same forum, what's still wrong with the game. Like they can't read the zillions of posts here or their own forum to see what doesn't work. When SH3 was released, yes, there were a lot of problems, but patches were regularly released until the game was brought to a playable state. Nobody then talked about devs taking a long and well-deserved holiday, such as it happened now. They just kept working on it. Now, the patching was interrupted for reasons like "devs gone fishing" or "cast your vote and beg Ubi to make the patch."
In my eyes, this shows a decreasing commitment to the series and is equivalent to "No other SH game". I really hope I'm wrong and I'll make a public apology for being pessimistic the very moment Ubi will announce a new installment in the series.

[FIREWALL]

SHV to me (in an ideal world) = SH3(GWX) + SHIV (patched and working)....combined so the player could play either side in either theatre :rock: :up:


Thank You jimbuna :up:


I was just about to ask some of these's kaluens what they were smokeing when I saw your post.:p It was the only one that made sence and a very small maybe after the SH4 fiasco.


As for this site being hurt that is crazy and i'm glad you saw it didn't deserve a response.

[Heibges]

A lot of folks are saying the PC Market is dead in general.

But, with Vista you need a Dx10 Capable Graphics cards, so according to Microsoft anyway, there will be 100 million gaming PC's in the next year.

Maybe, there will be small independent developer that can step in and make us a great game.

Look at what Battlefront and ThirdWire have done for wargaming/simming with very small development teams.

I guess all we can do it wish for the best.

[GakunGak]

SH5 on a DX10? And maybe with a CryTEK engine?:hmm:
That is an option worth considering...:|\\
And support for SLI/Crossfire...:arrgh!:
All interrior compartments....
Every sound available...
Crew interaction...
A wild imagination...:ping:

[Crazy Ian]

More importantly.. will we see Destroyer command 2?

[melnibonian]

SHV to me (in an ideal world) = SH3(GWX) + SHIV (patched and working)....combined so the player could play either side in either theatre :rock: :up:
That's the spirit :up: We have a very good platform in SH3/GWX, and since SH4 is not so different some kind of merging can be done. If this happens then the combined result will be far better than any other sim :yep:

[JScones]

You know what, I wouldn't be surprised to see a "Silent Hunter Complete Edition" in the same vane as "IL2 Complete Edition".

In other words, I wouldn't be surprised to see SH3 and SH4 combined in one package at some point. You can see with SH4 that the file structure for SH3 is pretty much preserved.

But no SH5, not in the foreseeable future anyway. What's left to do? British, Dutch or Japanese subs? Unfortunately, these would be a niche of a niche. Perhaps there'll be a gap the same as there was between SH1 and SH4 before we see anything new, which will most likely be an updated U-boat-based simulation.

[GakunGak]

Sometimes I wonder why there has to be a WWII? Why not post-wwii? Whatever the case, I recommend:
1. 2 campaigns, 2 sides of war, if has to be wwii, then US and GER
2. More interriors, more sounds
3. more crew interactions
4. more animations
5. Pixel shader 2.0/3.0
6. Support for dual-cores
7. more eye-candy
8. instead on focusing on protections, work on game stability....

I know this looks like a wish-list, but this is what/how I think...

[bruschi sauro]

SHV to me (in an ideal world) = SH3(GWX) + SHIV (patched and working)....combined so the player could play either side in either theatre :rock: :up:
100% agree :rock:
beautyfull but impossible:oops:

[Alex]

:-? It's possible, mate.... As soon as the SH4 final patch becomes available, the GWX team will start working on GWX conversion to SH4 : and hopefully it will allow us to switch between the two campaigns, american and german side of the war.

[Maraz]

You know what, I wouldn't be surprised to see a "Silent Hunter Complete Edition" in the same vane as "IL2 Complete Edition".


Frankly, I cannot see why it was not done this way from the beginning. It could have been possible with just a little more effort. And you would have caught also all those users who are not interested in US subs (like me, infact I did not buy SHIV).

Looks like UBI is seeing the SH series as a "make-money-fast" scheme, but clearly it is not working anymore as thay had expected.

Maraz

[bruschi sauro]

:-? It's possible, mate.... As soon as the SH4 final patch becomes available, the GWX team will start working on GWX conversion to SH4 : and hopefully it will allow us to switch between the two campaigns, american and german side of the war.
When the final pacht for SH4 becomes available? This is a big enigma ..:damn:

[Kaleun_Saxi]

I'd love to play SH as a Japanese sub commander. I hope UBI will release an add-on where you can switch sides. Or they do SH V playing the Japanese navy.

[Alex]

When the final pacht for SH4 becomes available? This is a big enigma ..:damn:
I agree... Anyway, let's cross fingers ! ;)

[HunterICX]

SHV?

in yer dreams:arrgh!:

[FIREWALL]

What you might want to ask yourselfs... Will there be a UBISOFT ?

JScones has the most realistic possibility.

UBI did IL2-1946 Why not Silent Hunter Complete Edition.

[Puster Bill]

Sometimes I wonder why there has to be a WWII? Why not post-wwii? Whatever the case, I recommend:
1. 2 campaigns, 2 sides of war, if has to be wwii, then US and GER
2. More interriors, more sounds
3. more crew interactions
4. more animations
5. Pixel shader 2.0/3.0
6. Support for dual-cores
7. more eye-candy
8. instead on focusing on protections, work on game stability....

I know this looks like a wish-list, but this is what/how I think...

You forgot one thing: More boats.

There are numerous boats that would be interesting in any WWII sim that you never ever see. Like the Type XXIII. Perhaps the Walter boats. Seehund and Bibers (for those 'quicky' patrols). Type VIID's. Type I's.

If you really want to get 'what-if-ish', there were numerous boats on the drawing boards that could make for some interesting gameplay.

Personally, though, I'd be interested in the Type XXIII. Very small, fast, and agile. Only two shots, but probably good enough to penetrate harbors late war. After all, last ship sunk by a u-boat in WWII was sunk by a XXIII in the Firth of Forth.

[Keelbuster]

Look at what Battlefront and ThirdWire have done for wargaming/simming with very small development teams.

Amen to Combat Mission - give us hope that the indie game development revolution is possible:rock:

[Iron Budokan]

I'm not overly worried. Even if UBI doesn't come out with a SH5 some other company will give us another subsim. Oh, it may not be tomorrow, but someone somewhere will release another WWII sub sim. They'll look at the sales of SH3, see that UBI has no interest in pursuing the project, will lick their chops and jump on that bandwagon. They may not be able to call it Silent Hunter, but who cares. If they're smart they'll look at the mistakes UBI made, take note of what UBI did right, come up with some novel ideas on their own, and cut themselves in for a piece of that profitable pie.

And, NO, because some people (myself included) were vocal regarding the state of SH4 this will have no bearing on their final decision. If they think money can be made then they will produce a title. And money can be made if the sim is done right. SH3 proved that beyond any doubt. Companies look at what worked and what didn't. We'll get another sim, and it will be German based, aka U-boats because that sold like gangbusters.

We'll get another sub sim eventually, fellas. It just may not be from UBI. Eh, that's cool. That's the way capitalism works. Let someone else have a crack at it.

[GoldenRivet]

We WILL see another AMAZING sub sim - it likely wont be from UBI - and it likely wont have the Silent Hunter name though.

i seriously believe that if you put everyone at ubi on the project of SH5 it would probably STILL be another huge disaster simply because of some manager placing impossible release date demands on the devs.

the only way UBI will ever make a killer sub sim is if the Devs actually care about the accuracy and quality of their product and the "suits" dont strangle their creative efforts by demanding a product to be ready for release in 3 months. :shifty:

IMHO SH5 development should have already started if we hope to see a finished product before december 2008. first it needs to start with a web based poll of sub sim players from around the globe from ANY sub sim related forum asking them what the strong points and weak points of past sub sims were and the top 10 things they wish they could have in a sub sim... after that the DEVS need to ask the question "how long will it take us to deliver the end all of sub sims?" and whatever the answer is they need to double it and get to work.

hard core flight simmers would gladly go out and pay $80+ for the deluxe/ collectors edition of microsoft flight simulator... i would think that serious sub simmers would gladly pay that for a sub sim that had everything or nearly everything they were looking for in a sim.

immersive environments
every inch of every compartment
usable stations
interactive crew
SDK released with the product!!!! like flight sim does!!!!

on and on and on

i believe that it will happen, but for the sub sims to reach that level the genre will have to chart a course and survive a vast sea of utter failure before we see the next great subsim that will blow us all away.

[bruschi sauro]

NO!

[ReM]

What you might want to ask yourselfs... Will there be a UBISOFT ?

JScones has the most realistic possibility.

UBI did IL2-1946 Why not Silent Hunter Complete Edition.

If there will be a Silent Hunter Complete edition, it means that there is still work being done/to be done on the SH series.....

In that case there wouldn't be so many fuss about patches not being made/dev teams being disbanded etc...

[Hakahura]

In this cynics opinion........

Yes there will be a Silent Hunter V if Ubisoft make a good profit of Silent Hunter IV.
It's just buisness, you don't kill a franchise if it's still making money.

Now if the question was...... should there be a Silent Hunter V...........

?

[Iron Budokan]

A Silent Hunter Complete Edition is a good idea. I'd spring for that....

[Iron Budokan]

A SH Complete Edition is a good idea. I'd spring for that. I never played the first or second in the series.... :cry:

[Jimbuna]

Considering what train of events has unfolded over recent years, surely a complete edition would only be a viable proposition if all the games were patched up to an acceptable playing standard :hmm: