NEWS regarding 1.3

[WernerSobe]

from german Ubisoft Forums



Hallo alle miteinander.

Wir möchten uns zunächst dafür entschuldigen, dass wir so lange keine News mehr zum Patch 1.3 für Silent Hunter 4 gepostet haben, allerdings ist derzeit nicht sicher, ob es überhaupt einen weiteren Patch geben wird. Die Moderatoren und Community Manager der diversen Länder tun gegenwärtig ihr bestes um Euch zu repräsentieren – unsere Community – denn wir wissen das Ihr einen weiteren Patch haben wollt, aber wir brauchen Eure Hilfe um diesen zu ermöglichen. Zunächst brauchen wir eine Liste in der die Bugs nach Priorität gestaffelt aufgelistet sind. Eine solche entsteht bereits hier:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1...271062855#5271062855 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1801097155?r=5271062855#5271062855)

Wir haben zwar Eure Liste von Voyager erhalten, aber teilweise war diese sehr ungenau und um wirklich sicher zu gehen, dass wir nichts übersehen, wird die neue Liste nun auf internationaler Forenebene von Grund auf neu erstellt.

Diese Liste ist sehr wichtig für uns denn es wird nicht möglich sein, die Entwickler davon zu überzeugen, sich um jeden einzelnen Bug zu kümmern, aber wir wollen sicherstellen, dass jeder wirklich gravierende Bug bekannt wird und korrigiert werden kann. Ihr könnt uns dabei unterstützen, indem Ihr unter den folgenden Links votet oder / und bei der Liste mitwirkt.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855)

http://silenthunter4.de.ubi.com/ (http://silenthunter4.de.ubi.com/)

Am 28. Mai werden wir dann alles zusammentragen und mit den Ergebnissen der beiden Aktionen bewaffnet versuchen, diejenigen die nicht mit einem weiteren Patch einverstanden sind, davon zu überzeugen, dass die Community einen Patch 1.3 braucht bzw. sich wünscht.

Wir wissen, dass dies nicht gerade eine ideale Situation ist aber wir waren der Auffassung etwas unternehmen zu müssen, bevor wir am Ende ohne Optionen da stehen. Die Entscheidung ob wir einen Patch 1.4 oder 1.5 bekommen, liegt bereits nicht mehr in unseren Händen und wir wollen alles in unserer Macht stehende tun, um wenigstens einen Patch 1.3 zu ermöglichen.

Vielen Dank für Eure Unterstützung.


short translation:

At first wa want to appologise that we havent posted any news about patch 1.3 for so long. However it is not quite sure at the moment wether there will ever be another patch. The moderators and comunity managers from different countries are doing their best to represent you - our comunity - because we know that you want another patch, but to afford it we need your help. At first we need a buglist sorted by priority. Such one is already arising here:


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1...271062855#5271062855 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1...271062855#5271062855)

In fact we have received your list from voyager, but it was partly inaccurate and to ensure that we dont lose sight of something, an entirely new list will now be created on international forums.

This list is very important for us because it wont be possible to persuade the developers paying attention to each bug. But we want to assure, that every realy serious bug will be corrected. You can support us by voting on following links and assist the list.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855)

http://silenthunter4.de.ubi.com/ (http://silenthunter4.de.ubi.com/)

On 28. of May we will bring everything together and armed witht he result of both actions we will try to convince those, that do not agree with another patch, that the comunity realy needs and desires it.

We know, that this is actualy not the ideal situation but in our opinion we must act before we finely end up without options. The decision wether there will be patch 1.4 or 1.5, is already out of our range and we want to do everything we can to at least afford patch 1.3.

thank you for your support.

[Uber Gruber]

Bring on the dancing llamas......:arrgh!:

[mookiemookie]

Feelings of rage....rising.... :hulk:

[longam]

I hope I read this wrong.

[Skweetis]

...

[AVGWarhawk]

How could a game go uncompleted with two the most fundamental and integral part of the simulation (Radar and TDC broken)? This is all I'm asking for. What the heck? These two things not working are not a good thing.

[wetwarev7]

That can't be right....

[ReallyDedPoet]

I guess we need to continue to promote the petition Neal started.....big-time:yep:

RDP

[flintlock]

After reading this, my only regret is wasting money on the DE version. Ah well, I won't make this mistake again, at least not where Ubisoft is concerned.

Live and learn.

[mookiemookie]

After reading this, my only regret is wasting money on the DE version. Ah well, I won't make this mistake again, at least not where Ubisoft is concerned.

Live and learn.
I'm almost with you, but not yet. I'm going to wait for official word and not the rumormill before making that decision.

But if there's not going to be any 1.3, Ubisoft just lost themself a customer, regardless of the title.

[daft]

I'm almost with you, but not yet. I'm going to wait for official word and not the rumormill before making that decision.

But if there's not going to be any 1.3, Ubisoft just lost themself a customer, regardless of the title.

I'm with you on that one. I'll wait until it's official and if it's true, Ubi will never get my money again. That's a promise. Until then I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[WernerSobe]

these aint rumors. Its official from http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9001092274/m/5871001065

and was originaly posted by Vth_F_Smith_

[daft]

these aint rumors. Its official from http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9001092274/m/5871001065

and was originaly posted by Vth_F_Smith_

Is Vth_F_Smith_ a Ubi employee or just a "hobby" moderator for one of their forums? What I'm asking is, does he actually have insight into Ubi and their patching policy for SH4 or is he just speculating based on not hearing anything from Ubi about any forthcoming patches?

[mookiemookie]

these aint rumors. Its official from http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9001092274/m/5871001065

and was originaly posted by Vth_F_Smith_

Yeah but he's a community moderator on an Ubisoft forum, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't make him an Ubisoft representative. I want to hear word from Ubi corporate or the dev team.

[gouldjg]

After reading this, my only regret is wasting money on the DE version. Ah well, I won't make this mistake again, at least not where Ubisoft is concerned.

Live and learn.
I'm almost with you, but not yet. I'm going to wait for official word and not the rumormill before making that decision.

But if there's not going to be any 1.3, Ubisoft just lost themself a customer, regardless of the title.

Ah well, it looks like its back to SH3 and GWX from which I wish I stuck to rather than set my hopes up.

My question is this

What from SH4 can we safely put into SH3? Someone must have explored this?

Is it me or has this past 12 months been a big dissapointment regarding game quality of any company and all types.

I have found myself being very synical lately regarding released products and think I am joining those whom wait for 4 pathces to be released before commiting to a sale on the hype of the company.

Their loss, I was a big spender as far as individual consumer was concerned.

Now I am just a cheapscate who will wait till it drops and has been released for ages before buying.

Sorry for not being patient and waiting for official word. The fact that there has been no offical word says it all to me.:down:

[FIREWALL]

I'm wondering what other PC game companys are thinking right now.

Are they going to go with a mindset "If UBI can sell crap and not back it up and screw the comsumer because what can they do about it". So can we.

Or will they think " Heres our chance to grabup this niche market and have a Finanical and Advertiseing coup on Ubisoft ".


If it wasn't for their INTEGRITY and RESPECT for Neal Stevens, the people on SS could fix this game and SH3 REALLY GOOD!!!

As it is we can't do anything but do as the Devs request and cross our fingers as UBISOFT leads us down the path.

Good Luck to All fellow SubSimmers.:up:

[flintlock]

I'm almost with you, but not yet. I'm going to wait for official word and not the rumormill before making that decision. Oh I will too.

I meant specifically not ordering any special, limited or exclusive editions of any future titles published or developed through Ubisoft. Definitely no more pre-orders and only standard and basic editions from here on in. And only then, once I'm convinced the product works as intended. Even if we get another patch it won't change my mind. I want a responsible publisher who desires to fix their product on their own accord and in good conscience because it's the ethical thing to do. Not one one that needs to be pulled by their ear, kicking and screaming all because the community is in an uproar over their apparent abandonment of an unfinished product.

[FIREWALL]

I'm almost with you, but not yet. I'm going to wait for official word and not the rumormill before making that decision. Oh I will too.

I meant specifically ordering any special, limited or exclusive editions of any future titles of Ubisoft. No more pre-orders, and only the standard basic editions once I'm convinced the product works as intended. Even if we get another patch ot won't change my mind. I want a responsible publisher who desires to fix their product on thier own accord and in good conscience because it's the ethical thing to do. Not one one that needs to be pulled by their ear, kicking and screaming all because the community is in an uproar.


Thats the most sensible thing I've heard yet.:up: :up: :up:

[Lt. Cobra]

Well-informed people are happy people! Communication is one of the key factors in securing future business for a person or a company. It sounds like Ubi Soft has no sense of accountability at this point, which could be the reason for not hearing anything from them. Maybe it is partly because they feel like that their customers are so desperate for their product that they will buy it no matter what condition that it is in.

Lt. Cobra

http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/t38715_ss1951.jpg (http://www.fusionpics.com)

[WernerSobe]

Maybe it is partly because they feel like that their customers are so desperate for their product that they will buy it no matter what condition that it is in.

Lt. Cobra


not me, im done with ubi. I wont buy any ubi product for a long time again and will make sure to tell friends about their bad support and patching policy.

[rdhiggins]

This is ODD that they are now trying to make us vote (based on a poll that I started) when it is PERFECTLY CLEAR that we need a patch??

I mean what the hell the post that Neal started has a lot more replies than the vote???????? :damn: :damn: :damn:

[FIREWALL]

I'm wondering what other PC game companys are thinking right now.

Are they going to go with a mindset "If UBI can sell crap and not back it up and screw the comsumer because what can they do about it". So can we.

Or will they think " Heres our chance to grabup this niche market and have a Finanical and Advertiseing coup on Ubisoft ".


If it wasn't for their INTEGRITY and RESPECT for Neal Stevens, the people on SS could fix this game and SH3 REALLY GOOD!!!

As it is we can't do anything but do as the Devs request and cross our fingers as UBISOFT leads us down the path.

Good Luck to All fellow SubSimmers.:up:


Read a few of the posts besides the title before posting
and you might be surprised what you might learn

all you fast typists.:arrgh!:

[gouldjg]

Got to keep our quality and ISO9002 standards clean now and ask consumers some things in the name of continual improvment blah blah etc etc.

Bet you if we all written in letters (offcially and individually), eventually people do get sacked for not performing their jobs properly (even directors).

Much better than trying to sue

The problem is, most of us are too lazy to do it so it carries on. Even I am too lazy but everyday, I do see the effect within companies once their quality certification is threatened to be pulled.

It about the only time the board takes not (more so than workers getting injured)

What a load of tosh I just spewed:p

Each to their own conspiracy theory:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Jace11]

They know where the bug lists are, they know which are the most important because they read these forums - thats why we got AA etc in 1.2

This is a ruse. They are obviously desperate to remove themselves from any responsibilty for finishing this title.:down:

The end of the SH franchise is nigh..

[joea]

They know where the bug lists are, they know which are the most important because they read these forums - thats why we got AA etc in 1.2

This is a ruse. They are obviously desperate to remove themselves from any responsibilty for finishing this title.:down:

The end of the SH franchise is nigh..

Please go away and stop with the negative posts. :shifty:

[gg.]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...

[dkbos]

I paid quite a few of my hard-earned dollars for SH4. (approx.) $50.00 is not chump change for me. I don't think it is for anybody.

It's clear to me now that I've been taken advantage of.

I get to pay UBI for the "privilage" of testing their product for them and then giving feedback on what fixes need to be made? Are you kidding me? Really?

If this is true.... I'm speechless.

[joea]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...

I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:

[9th_cow]

i do not think i have heard of anything as pathetic as " we need a poll before we can patch"
surely this has to be made up ? no professional company could come up with anything that retarted could they ?

next they will say they cant afford to patch the game because of pirates :rotfl:

hell who cares. only thing i really need fixing is the stopwatch for working out speed. the rest the community could well take care of in time im sure.

[FIREWALL]

WOW!!! Alot of emotions includeing my own are being releasedon this thread. Thats a GOOD thing as long as we work together.

So far this is second hand info and should be taken as such.

UBISOFT imho would be treading on thin ice if they shaft any gameing cosumer. It's not good for future bussiness.

We've waited this long a little more time won't hurt.

As far as legal action you start with your own state Attorney Generals office and your states Consumer Affairs
office.

As for our foreign members recourse , maybe you have something simular.

A class action lawsuit is the only realistic solution if UBI doesn't come through. And their are consumer groups that will help with this or at least give advice on the steps to be taken.

For a lighter note . I live in Los Angelos, Calif. the Capitol
of Sueing of the world.:p

[longam]

A new post by UBI Mod.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/2591031065

[terrapin]

english translation (c) terrapin here (http://mpgtext.net/ubrs/The-News/Latest-SH4-News/SH4%3A-1.3-more-than-unsure%2C-Ubi-moderator-says-200705182530/)

[heartc]

In my opinion, one thing which makes promoting a further patch difficult ARE the so called "buglists" in the different forums. They are a hammer, and any dev looking into them while knowing he has only so much resources left to put into this game will just leave not only that thread, but also the whole damn forum and never look back.

I only know the "buglist" from here but I can imagine on other boards they look similar. Knowing my countrymen, I don't even WANT to see the German "buglist".
As to the buglist on this forum here, it seems as soon as someone mentions some trivial issues he might have had or might have percieved with the game, it gets added to the list. 80+ bugs left to fix? Don't kid yourselves. Most of this is trivial bull. The dive planes don't lower from time to time? Soooo, is this a showstopper?? You're watching a movie or playing a subsim? The only genuine buglist, with real must be fixed bugs, is the one Neal has brought up in his Patch 1.3 promotion thread. Everything else is bull and wishfull thinking, which would ultimately lead to the "perfect" game which has never and will never happen.
Get real.

[gg.]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...

I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:

I think you should realize that we paid for this sim...

[Stary Wuj]

Lt. Cobra
[/quote]
not me, im done with ubi. I wont buy any ubi product for a long time again and will make sure to tell friends about their bad support and patching policy.[/quote]

Me too, and what a strange question..... Ubisoft should provide patch or not....!!!

THEY HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE ???
Shame...............

Stary Wuj

[ScottD]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:

Who cares? Its pointless if you really think about it...if a company makes a halfass product and doesn't stand behind it, people aren't going to buy it anyways...Your damned if you do damned if you don't...I rather fight fire with fire, instead of getting taken by a product thats done halfass...far too many software companies release crap these days and there no punshinment for that besides if they go out of business..which doesnt seem likely for a company like Ubi...

The least they can do is open up the code for moders to fix the problems with it, but no they'll just milk it for what its worth using the same crappy code.

[mookiemookie]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
I think you should realise that we paid for tis sim...
Kill the goose to get the golden lawsuit? :roll:

[gg.]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:

Who cares? Its pointless if you really think about it...if a company makes a halfass product and doesn't stand behind it, people aren't going to buy it anyways...Your damned if you do damned if you don't...I rather fight fire with fire, instead of getting taken by a product thats done halfass...far too many software companies release crap these days and there no punshinment for that besides if they go out of business..which doesnt seem likely for a company like Ubi...

The least they can do is open up the code for moders to fix the problems with it, but no they'll just milk it for what its worth using the same crappy code.

I couldn't say it better...

[DedEye]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...

I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:

I for one do not want any part of any future sims from Ubi if this is going to set the standard for the quality and support of future releases, so I don't think this is a very good argument. At the same time, pursuing legal action will not help us accomplish our goal of getting critical issues fixed, in fact likely the opposite.

[ScottD]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
I for one do not want any part of any future sims from Ubi if this is going to set the standard for the quality and support of future releases, so I don't think this is a very good argument. At the same time, pursuing legal action will not help us accomplish our goal of getting critical issues fixed, in fact likely the opposite.

So we are supposed just to lay down and take it? Would be nice to set a precedent for a change instead of getting the same old...

[mookiemookie]

Ah, the good ol' American way. Sue over every percieved slight, no matter how small or trivial. That's the spirit!

[U-Bones]

Its even worse than I originally thought.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=535539&postcount=158

Ugly.

[ReM]

After Neal started his petition I had the awkward feeling that news like this was gonna come out pretty soon.....unfortunately my gut feeling was right.

It is a pretty dumb move by UBI to hype a game the way they hyped SH IV and then deliver a half-finished product...a pimped version of SHIII. This will chase people away from subsimming because they might think that this disaster is the norm for subsims.

They could have done a better job if they had taken some of the marketing budget and spent it on the development of what could have been a worthy sequel: the ultimate subsim.

And now we are forced to beg UBI if they would please do us the courtesy of releasing another patch....:roll: What a farce.....

I too bought SH IV on the day it was released and I have hardly played it since then...I should have spent the dough laid out for SH IV on some good books about the war in the Atlantic......

Luckily I still have a gem of a subsim on my rig....it is called SH III. Although UBI did not perfect this game either, they at least delivered a good base product which the modders have turned into something beautiful..this has added enormously to the lifespan of SHIII; I'm sure copies are sold even today.

Stopping the dev team from producing another needed patch will not give SH IV the same lifespan; a move that is 'penny wise but pound foolish' in my opinion.

Maybe the modders over here can make SH IV into something that resembles the game it could have been when it was released. But with a flawed basis to work with, this will not be easy, if at all possible...

I for my part will not ever buy a game again without having had a good look at it first....companies like UBI need to protect their investments and I need to protect mine as well.
The way it is now SH IV was a bad investment; besides the whole manner in which business is done gives me a pretty bad taste in the mouth.....

For now my crew needs me....U 46 here I come:arrgh!: !

[SteamWake]

On 28. of May we will bring everything together and armed witht he result of both actions we will try to convince those, that do not agree with another patch, that the comunity realy needs and desires it.

We know, that this is actualy not the ideal situation but in our opinion we must act before we finely end up without options. The decision wether there will be patch 1.4 or 1.5, is already out of our range and we want to do everything we can to at least afford patch 1.3.

thank you for your support.

Bean counters can never really see the big picture.

[Snowman999]

I'm with you on that one. I'll wait until it's official and if it's true, Ubi will never get my money again. That's a promise. Until then I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.


Withdraw this, sir! You are not bowing at the altar of Ubisoft! This thread will be locked in 10, 9, 8 . . .

[melin71]

okej!!! why are im not surprised. UBISOFT strike again. If they manage to get patch 1.3 out the door...that i guess will sure be the last. And if they dont get the major buggs out in this 1.3 pach..IF it be relesed. and then not relese any more patches. I cant see any way why i should support a company as ubisoft anymore. just look at relic as a real company that are consern about there customer. i play company of heros. and they relese patch after patch to realy make the game the top of the art. and when they realise that they did manage to get a small bugg in the last pach they relesed fast as hell a quick patch to fix that bugg. THAT what a company that consern about the buyer and try to make all happy. becourse..why buy a game from a company that dont give a crap? i have put out with all this crap from ubisoft from sh2, 3, and now 4. and stupid as i am..i did bought 4 too..even i know that this game will never be fixed. as all other games before this one. if they relese sh5?...they can put it where the sun never shine.

thank god for modders! without them, the game should die before they hit the store.
I realy hope there will be other company that will relese subgames in the future..becourse im tired of this mony creed from ubisoft. sell and forgett mentality..

Im realy hope i get all this wrong and we see all the bugg fixed. but if need to fight for a 1.3 patch..i have hard to see that it will be more patches if 1.3 relesed.

and for those who shall anwer me with ...if you dont like the game..dont ge in the forum...will my anwer be...i have the f.u.c.k.i.n.g. game ..so that. and i like the game..but not the buggs.

i hope a other company buy the rights for the game. and maby make sh5 the best dam game ever.



and i realy need spellhelp...im realy bad in spelling :D

[Faamecanic]

Makes me wonder where all the fanboys are now.... all the posters that called us whiners.

anywho... that post from the thread starter really makes me feel bad for the devs. They really do love this franchise, and they really love what they do...but they cant fix all this for free. Again the finger of blame points directly at UBISOFT...

I sometimes wonder where they (the big publishers) get thier logic. Lets see... Release game before its ready, bugs hit all the major reviews online and in gaming magazines, sales drop accordingly, Big publisher blames lack of sales for not putting forth a patch to fix what is wrong, sales dive even further. Big Publisher says we didnt make enough money to either make a sequel, or they compress the next release timeline so much that its worse off then its predecessor (ie SH3 wasnt too bad, but SH4 is horrid, so no SH5?)

IMHO...if UBI isnt going to patch SH4 anymore... then they NEED TO RELEASE THE SDK so the modders can REALLY fix this sim. Hell look what GWX did WITHOUT a SDK... Imagine what a group of rabid Modders can do if they had the SDK.

[ReM]

if UBI isnt going to patch SH4 anymore... then they NEED TO RELEASE THE SDK so the modders can REALLY fix this sim

yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.....

Seriously; a good idea but it ain't gonna happen...

[SUBMAN1]

A repost from the UBISoft forums:

-S

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/2591031065
AudibleKnight (javascript:void(0))
US Ubisoft Community Manager
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Posted document.write(''+ myTimeZone('Fri, 18 May 2007 10:54:29 GMT-0700', 'Fri May 18 2007 10:54')+'');Fri May 18 2007 10:54
Hello everyone. We apologize for not posting news on patch 1.3 for Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific. This is because it is currently uncertain if there WILL be a patch 1.3. Currently all the moderators and community managers for the different language forums are trying our best to represent you, our community. We know you want a patch, and we need your help to try and make it happen. How can you help? Well, first we need a list of prioritized bugs that need to be addressed. One currently seems to be development here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1...271062855#5271062855 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/1801097155?r=5271062855#5271062855) (Current bug list)

Feel free to check it out, and see what you can do to help out in the large undertaking. What we essentially need is a list of bugs with number 1 being the most critical. The list should concentrate on the top ten to fifteen fixes needed which are hard coded in the game and cannot be fixed through a mod that someone in our community can create. Along with that list, we ideally need details of each bug with a step by step reproduction of how the bug occurs. That will be extremely helpful in fixing the bugs.

This is vital for us, as it’s unlikely that we could get the developers to fix every last single bug in the game in a single patch. At the same time, we want to be sure that we hit every bug that is not fixable through a mod. Finally, we want to show exactly which bugs you, our community, need and so we can focus the developers’ efforts towards fixing them, rather then having them try to search through all the forums and websites and make the list themselves.

Another thing you can do is show just how badly you want patch 1.3. This can be done through voting for it in this thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/3711041855 (Poll)

As well as on the german website poll which translates as "Are you of the opinion that a further Patch for Silent Hunter 4 is necessary?" Yes (top option) No (bottom option) which is located here:

http://silenthunter4.de.ubi.com/

While Neal's petition thread on Subsim (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114690) is a great asset that we will use, we also need to be able to show the hard numbers to those that may disagree that, in fact our community overwhelmingly wants patch 1.3 for Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific.

We need your help as our deadline is May 28th, 2007. At that time, we will take the items that I’ve mentioned above, and make a final fight for a final patch which will hopefully meet the most critical needs of you, our community.

We realize that this is a less than ideal situation, but the only options that we have available is 1) Fight for patch 1.3, or 2) Get nothing. The decision to make a patch 1.4, 1.5 etc is out of our hands, and we are doing everything within our power to do what we CAN do. We thank you for your help, and will continue to represent you.

[Faamecanic]

I'm wondering what other PC game companys are thinking right now.

Are they going to go with a mindset "If UBI can sell crap and not back it up and screw the comsumer because what can they do about it". So can we.

Or will they think " Heres our chance to grabup this niche market and have a Finanical and Advertiseing coup on Ubisoft ".

UBI is just following suit with EASports.... All the PC versions of Madden football (since 06) and NFL HeadCoach have been riddled with bugs. Not a single patch for any of them have been released. NFL HeadCoach was so bad that most forum discussion died 5 months after it was released last year... thats how bad it was.

[Faamecanic]

if UBI isnt going to patch SH4 anymore... then they NEED TO RELEASE THE SDK so the modders can REALLY fix this sim

yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.....

Seriously; a good idea but it ain't gonna happen...


<--- picturing monkeys flying out of someones butt


Heh heh...I know it aint gonna happen...but like you said nice thought...

[the_belgian]

Well guys,
after only one patrol in SH4(and many more in SH,SH2 and SH3)i don't have a reason to complain.
I use patch 1.2 and am quit satisfied with the result.
Playing SH3 the worst that did overcome me was patch 1.4! After that i was not able to run my game any more(untill i left all patches and mods,exept the no-fatigue mod,out).
So believe it or not "I'm scared of patches!"

[FIREWALL]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
I think you should realise that we paid for tis sim...
Kill the goose to get the golden lawsuit? :roll:


That goose didn't invent Silent Hunter. SSI ring any bells. :hmm:

[Nightmare]

I've cast my vote. I'm actually shocked that a 1.3 patch is uncertain and that there is a possibility of it not being produced. Game has been out for 2 months now and it almost sounds like they want to drop further support for it, even though there are some criticle bugs (radar busted, stopwatch for speed calculations). Usuaully games get a good 6 month patch cycle. Wow, just floored! :o

[Hitman]

FACT 1: SH4 is the only modern pacific submarine warfare sim out there

FACT 2: It has certain bugs

FACT 3: None of the current bugs kills my gameplay at 100% realism

FACT 4: Mods have been doning a hell of a job. They did before a hell of a job with SH3, turning a good game into something beautful.

OUTCOME: I like SH4. I will support a 1.3 patch, but since the only alternatives to SH4 are SH1 256 colour graphics or Pacific Aces with its limitations, I HONESTLY THINK my 50$ Deluxe version are a BARGAIN compared to the alternatives. Really, 50$ for a Pacific Warfare game with gorgeous graphics and minor bugs that modders can solve to a 90% is the best thing that happened to me since SH1.

Go modders GO!!:rock:

[mookiemookie]

That goose didn't invent Silent Hunter. SSI ring any bells. :hmm:

Oh yeah, Strategic Simulations! That company that was PURCHASED BY UBISOFT IN 2001. :88)

[FIREWALL]

That goose didn't invent Silent Hunter. SSI ring any bells. :hmm:

Oh yeah, Strategic Simulations! That company that was PURCHASED BY UBISOFT IN 2001. :88)


I wonder who will be buying ubisoft.:88)

[WernerSobe]

propably EA. And Microsoft will buy EA then

[FIREWALL]

propably EA. And Microsoft will buy EA then


Good one :rotfl: :rotfl: Whats next in this crazy computer nether world.:D

[William516]

I'm guessing that the big boss at UBI cant count past 3 well at least not when it comes to patch numbers, I'm sure he burns more money in a year then i would make in my life time.

I must say im pissed but not at all shocked. Hell SH3 was stopped at patch 1.3 or 1.4b whatever the heck it was called, why not do the same with this game as well oh well maybe not due to mr big bosses summer demands and rising oil cost (insert whatever lame excuse you want) we will only offer two patches.

But wait here comes SH5 come on buy it right now for 50 or more dollars. Oops forgot SH5 only comes with the instructions and a box we cant give you the game because we haven't finished it.

UBI you are turning into one of those sad companies that your customers WILL abondon if you keep this crap up.

The only reason the game is any fun or even playable is because of the modders that spend more time working on improving the game then they do anything else. Hell some of the modders are BETTER then the people that designed the game.

Tell you what release patch 1.3 abandon us as always go make your next title that we all drool over and suck us back in and repeat the process. Your sick people that have lost the site of anything other then making a buck.

Just release the codes to the modders for SH3 - and SH4 because at least they care about what they do and are respected by the community.

I wont sue and you guys know very well that UBI will continue to do these things for as long as they make games, but what your doing should be considered illegal. I dont have the money to fight a billion dollar company who takes my money and gives it to the MAN in his million dollar home.

I certainly hope that you actually FIX the game or better yet finished the game as PROMISED in this next patch!!

Because i know that when / if the next patch comes out you will all disapear from the forums and start thinking of another way to rip us off with your half finished (maybe less) product.

Hell you guys never even finished SH3, what made any of us think you would actually finish Sh4.

By the way please go deflate your bosses raft while he is on it in the pool. I want to see him slowly sink to the bottom just like all those ships. At least then he wont be laughing at us.

"I'm getting this sinking feeling"

William

[SUBMAN1]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
I for one do not want any part of any future sims from Ubi if this is going to set the standard for the quality and support of future releases, so I don't think this is a very good argument. At the same time, pursuing legal action will not help us accomplish our goal of getting critical issues fixed, in fact likely the opposite.
So we are supposed just to lay down and take it? Would be nice to set a precedent for a change instead of getting the same old...
I love the mentality I am seeing. It is like buying a Rolex from a street vendor for full price, and not wanting to complain or fight back when you figure out it is a fake replica simply because he may not carry a Mavado in the future! All the while, the other street vendors are watching and taking note on how to get into the fake Rolex business! The profit is the driving factor - It is more profitable to buy fake Rolexes and sell at full price than to sell real ones at full price! Too funny! :lol:

-S

[Spike]

Why on earth would anyone think that 2 patches are enough?Is it because this is not a game like ghost recon or what,why did they make this game and let it get panned in the reviews because of this.Its like SH3 all over again.....:damn:What a bunch of CRAP!!!!!I have been waiting for a finish patch so I can finish my patroll that does'nt work right..Shhhh...

[Donavan]

UBI and many other game developers depend on our weakness. We tolerate crappy products from the gaming industry. They enjoy and profit from our stupidity. We deserve to be ripped off.

However from now on I'm going to wait a full year before buying any PC game. I'll study the reviews and state of the product. If the game looks ok after all the patches are released, I'll pick it up from the discount bin.

Get smart, stay smart. Stop buying betas.

[FIREWALL]

UBI and many other game developers depend on our weakness. We tolerate crappy products from the gaming industry. They enjoy and profit from our stupidity. We deserve to be ripped off.

However from now on I'm going to wait a full year before buying any PC game. I'll study the reviews and state of the product. If the game looks ok after all the patches are released, I'll pick it up from the discount bin.

Get smart, stay smart. Stop buying betas.


I agree thats my new buying plan and I doubt i'll have to wait a year for any game to hit the bargain basket.

If UBI doesn't come out with a future sub game SO WHAT.
It won't be because no one bought their previous sub games.

[Ducimus]

My turn to complain.


This depresses me. I knew ubi would drop the ball, but i didnt think they'd try it so soon. I mean, at least SH3 got up to patch 1.4b. So 1.2 is a little premature, even by ubi's standards.

[Easy Tiger]

UBI and many other game developers depend on our weakness. We tolerate crappy products from the gaming industry. They enjoy and profit from our stupidity. We deserve to be ripped off.

However from now on I'm going to wait a full year before buying any PC game. I'll study the reviews and state of the product. If the game looks ok after all the patches are released, I'll pick it up from the discount bin.

Get smart, stay smart. Stop buying betas.

Quoted for truth, that's some good advice :up:

[Arrowhead2k1]

I've been 'beta testing' new releases like this one for a long time. But eventually, they nearly all got adequately patched.

But this is the first time I've seen a community being told to beg for a fixed product that might never even be fixed. Now I'm beginning to feel sorry that I allowed myself to jump on board of the SH4 hype wagon and pay full price for this on the first day of release.

I hope this is some kind of hoax and that a patch is already on the way... That's all I've got to say... :down:

[MaxT.dk]

I've been 'beta testing' new releases like this one for a long time. But eventually, they nearly all got adequately patched.

But this is the first time I've seen a community being told to beg for a fixed product that might never even be fixed. Now I'm beginning to feel sorry that I allowed myself to jump on board of the SH4 hype wagon and pay full price for this on the first day of release.

That's why I haven't voted or left my voice in all of those "please-gimme-teh-1.3-patch-daddy" forums and threads... It sickens me... I enjoy the game the way it is... If it gets better - good... If not - more challenge :|\\

[SteamWake]

All were asking for is to fix the few key components that should have at the very least worked right in the first place.

Like Radar... uhh thats a key piece of the game.

[Nightmare]

FACT 1: SH4 is the only modern pacific submarine warfare sim out there

FACT 2: It has certain bugs

FACT 3: None of the current bugs kills my gameplay at 100% realism

FACT 4: Mods have been doning a hell of a job. They did before a hell of a job with SH3, turning a good game into something beautful.

OUTCOME: I like SH4. I will support a 1.3 patch, but since the only alternatives to SH4 are SH1 256 colour graphics or Pacific Aces with its limitations, I HONESTLY THINK my 50$ Deluxe version are a BARGAIN compared to the alternatives. Really, 50$ for a Pacific Warfare game with gorgeous graphics and minor bugs that modders can solve to a 90% is the best thing that happened to me since SH1.

Go modders GO!!:rock:
I agree with you on 90% of your post. Where I disagree is your Fact #3 where currently bugs don't kill game play at 100% realism. The radar bug is my major issue that I believe should be resolved. The only work around was implemented in FTT and that fix resorted to giving SJ radar at the start of the war and made it so that it could detect aircraft since 1.2 patch broke SD radar. If I remember correctly there was even another compromise with getting the radar to work when heading south between 270 and 90 degrees. If I'm not running FTT or any other mod with the fix, I don't like having to turn my boat completely around when I running trying to get ahead of a convoy that is heading south!

Don't get me wrong; I love the modding community here. They are just trying to do the best they can with what they can mod. I'm not to sure how I feel with the fact Ubi might just leave it up to the modders to fix. I paid Ubi and the developers for this game, and if they are leaving to the community to fix things I feel bad that the modders haven't seen a cent of my money. They are after all the ones busting their butt to make the game the best it can be.

[Nightmare]

My turn to complain.


This depresses me. I knew ubi would drop the ball, but i didnt think they'd try it so soon. I mean, at least SH3 got up to patch 1.4b. So 1.2 is a little premature, even by ubi's standards.
I was hoping that SH4 would be in a better state on release than it was. That was a gamble I took when I purchased it shortly after release and I was fine with that because I faith that SH4 would get a full patch development cycle. Very depressing that the community has to make its case to get another patch. The game was just released two months ago!

All were asking for is to fix the few key components that should have at the very least worked right in the first place.

Like Radar... uhh thats a key piece of the game.
I think you hit the nail on the head.

[Radioshow]

First, I bought SH1-IV, enjoyed them all. The problem with this is not the fact that it is only a "game", it is that we paid good money(I have kids, it's good money) for a product that is not complete regardless of the reason. This is becoming far too common among developers lately. I do not expect a bugless game, that is virtually impossible, but the way this game was released with the manual not matching the game and many features either broken or not functional is not acceptable. A class action lawsuit may actually give some of the bean counters a wake up call, and if your worried about the SH franchise, I would not buy another Ubi/SH game if it is going to be like this again. I do not, however, believe that a lawsuit would achieve anything here. The big companies like FakeAtari/ EA/Ubi obviously are oblivious to anything other than the bottomline, which means SHIV is probably done. Many people say "whiner", or its only a game, but it is the principle of it. They(UBI) need to fix atleast the main issue Neal brought up and that should bring SHIV upto SHIII 1.4b level. Although it should not be left to modders to "fix" a game, only enhance or upgrade as GWX and the like have done.

[tater]

The number of patches is meaningless, what is important is the basic functionality of the game. If ANY CTDs or BSODs are commonplace, it's just plain broken.

If the major units in game behave in a way that is clearly wrong, it's broken.

If a deck gun is rotated on it's side, that's broken.

The list goes on and on. the fact there was a 1.1 and 1.2 patch doesn't mean it's finished. Finish the product to some minimally acceptable level or don;t sell it. This really will be my last every ubi product if they don't fix it, and it's not like I only buy sub sims, I have the GR games, Il-2 (all of it), BiA, etc.

Never again (sad, since getting Oleg's new sim was on my "must buy" list). The only way to teach a business a lesson is to not spend your money, or to get your money back.

[Ping Jockey]

It's a joke right?????

[Major Johnson]

and i realy need spellhelp...im realy bad in spelling :D

Melin71! I damn near fell off my chair!! That was great!! There I was, reading your post, and I commend you on attempting the English language. But that line near the end made me bust out loud laughing!!! Glad to see you have a handle on the American slang!!

Sorry guys, didn't want to get off topic here.

But I will say that I'm always one to look at the glass half full. Even when it looks bleak. But right now I feel my pants are down around my ankles and there's a bullseye painted on my butt!! With the $ you know where!!

Even still I believe the devs want to finish the game, and I believe they will get the chance. So go ahead UBIsoft, have at it! Just have the common courtesy to give me a reach around, and the 1.3 patch!!

[FIREWALL]

First, I bought SH1-IV, enjoyed them all. The problem with this is not the fact that it is only a "game", it is that we paid good money(I have kids, it's good money) for a product that is not complete regardless of the reason. This is becoming far too common among developers lately. I do not expect a bugless game, that is virtually impossible, but the way this game was released with the manual not matching the game and many features either broken or not functional is not acceptable. A class action lawsuit may actually give some of the bean counters a wake up call, and if your worried about the SH franchise, I would not buy another Ubi/SH game if it is going to be like this again. I do not, however, believe that a lawsuit would achieve anything here. The big companies like FakeAtari/ EA/Ubi obviously are oblivious to anything other than the bottomline, which means SHIV is probably done. Many people say "whiner", or its only a game, but it is the principle of it. They(UBI) need to fix atleast the main issue Neal brought up and that should bring SHIV upto SHIII 1.4b level. Although it should not be left to modders to "fix" a game, only enhance or upgrade as GWX and the like have done.

First off Welcome Aboard :)

Alot of us preordered so UBISOFT got alot of money up front.

I also agree it's not up to the modders to fix the game with or with the SDK. I don't recall in UBISOFTS hype advertiseing "We will be selling you
a shoddy product and it's up to you to fix it."

This won't change till we say we've had ENOUGH.:damn:

[-Pv-]

The rumor mill whether it's the person who gets it started or those who hype it up into some loaded emotional frenzy where every word gets blown up to the size of goodyear blimps is good for message counts and web hits and little else.

I'll wait until the whole story is told before I light any fuses.
-Pv-

[Nightmare]

I'll wait until the whole story is told before I light any fuses.
-Pv-
AudibleKnight is about as straight from the horses mouth as you can get with Ubi. He is US Ubisoft Community Manager afterall.

[Radioshow]

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

[-Pv-]

I stand on my point. We've not heard all or the final story on SH4.
-Pv-

[FIREWALL]

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Keep posting ... everone is entitled to voice their opinion.:up:

[Stew U-582]

It looks like sales are down and they cant justify another patch.

But I cant understand how they are going to increase sales with a product that doesnt work properly.

please fix the radar and manual speed issues

[AVGWarhawk]

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there;)

[FIREWALL]

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there;)

Don't give up the ship AVG. sh4 ... OK :D can't blame ya.

[Donavan]

Don't get me wrong when I criticize UBI.

Modders rock, they take a beta and make it playable. They don't charge for their content. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for their efforts to make betas playable. They love the genre as we all do and work hard for us all.

I'm sticking to my guns this time. I will never buy a beta game again. I'll wait like I posted earlier. It will suck because I love war sims. But I'm tired of paying for slack products.

Imagine how p*ssed you'd be if modders didn't help with these games. I salute them all.

[AVGWarhawk]

Also just wanted to add that I am a simulation/war nut, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work and personal time the Dev's and modders have put into sims like this. We would not have these great sims wihtout them, my frustration, therefore, is aimed at the publishers, not the devs. Another good example is Falcon 4. Micropork dumped it not too long after release. Never quite finished it was, but what a job all the realism crazy nuts have done on it, without them it would not be THE pinnacle of dynamic campaign, oh hell all flight sims. Just as SHIV "should" be the pinnacle of all naval sims.

P.s. Hehe, I'm a bilge rat, never needed to post due to all you fine gentleman having all the answers already here!!
Cheers!!

Welcome aboard! I would like to point out that the most integral part of the submarine in Pacific is the radar/ TDC/ chronometer. Without these working I'm basically just a fishing boat. We are currently without these in a correct working state. Licking my thumb and sticking it in the breeze to get target speed is not the way it was done. IMHO, this patch needs to correct these three things. Then and only then will this be the pinnacle of naval sims. As I read over that latest post on a possible 1.3 non-existant patch for these three issues I feel like a guilded horse. Oh well, let see how this pans out. If the game is put out to pasture....I'm already there;)

Don't give up the ship AVG. sh4 ... OK :D can't blame ya.

I'm not brother! I love the game. I love this forum and all the guys who post. But really, the tools of the US Submarine trade are broken. It is like fixing a car with fork and spoon. You need the tools of that trade also. I just want my radar fixed. I'm good with the rest of it. I'm a little miffed we have to grovel to get this repaired. I wondering if their next title Wings of War will include the wings. After reading AudibleKnights post several times I feel like we are throwing ourselves on the mercy of the court. BTW, the grass is greener in my pasture and the manure is a litte more ripe;)

[Jmack]

so it ends like this ...

[AVGWarhawk]

so it ends like this ...

Well no, apparently we need to beg or something. Anyway, go vote:roll: on the poll. Then at least we can say we tried our very best. Other than that, I do enjoy the game in the current state but in all reality, another patch to fix the essentials can not be that difficult nor time consuming.

[FIREWALL]

so it ends like this ...

Well no, apparently we need to beg or something. Anyway, go vote:roll: on the poll. Then at least we can say we tried our very best. Other than that, I do enjoy the game in the current state but in all reality, another patch to fix the essentials can not be that difficult nor time consuming.

I don't think we should be saying the modders will fix it when they don't have or are given the right tools to fix it. Why should are modders be useing up their unpaid time to fix something when they can be modding ?


To say are modders will fix it is a copout. You paid for a game don't
beg... Demand they fix it.:arrgh!:

[Jmack]

well i saw people get in trouble with the justice for allot less than this !!! releasing an unfinished program ... and i bet they knew about it !!!
they HAVE to fix it , they should not have released the game in the first place like it is currently and even after 1.2 ... who the hell where the Beta testers for this , how can they give green light for this ???

if they dont want to fix it ... well let the right people do it !!

im shure most of us after having paid 50€ for this ... would not mind to pay for a cd made by our modding community its just a matter of organizing stuff

[tater]

It looks like sales are down and they cant justify another patch.

But I cant understand how they are going to increase sales with a product that doesnt work properly.

please fix the radar and manual speed issues

Yeah, people read that they aren't going to fix glaring, showstopping bugs, and then decide not to buy the product, what a surprise.

The problem, IMO, is that they think of each title in a vacuum, not the branding of "Ubi Soft." If the ubi brand becomes "mud" it won't matter what they put out, everyone will wait to buy until a title is demonstrably finished.

[AVGWarhawk]

so it ends like this ...

Well no, apparently we need to beg or something. Anyway, go vote:roll: on the poll. Then at least we can say we tried our very best. Other than that, I do enjoy the game in the current state but in all reality, another patch to fix the essentials can not be that difficult nor time consuming.

I don't think we should be saying the modders will fix it when they don't have or are given the right tools to fix it. Why should are modders be useing up their unpaid time to fix something when they can be modding ?


To say are modders will fix it is a copout. You paid for a game don't
beg... Demand they fix it.:arrgh!:

I do not expect modders to fix it. Modders make it better! :rock: God bless'em! Right now I only use two texture mods for the interface and the less radio traffic mod for the clipboard. I agree it is a copout to expect the modders to fix it even with the tools to do so. But for lack of a better word, begging on a poll seems to be the only thought that fits the bill. I have voted on the poll. I have written to UBI concerning this. Not much else I can do but wait it out.

As Steamwake would put 'shrugs'

[StandingCow]

Gamers having to fight for a patch to fix a product that should have worked out of the box?

Wow... this isn't only sad news for subsimmers, its sad for all games that the companies just do not respect us at all...

[Cap'n Crabs]

And so it comes to this. :nope:

I've enjoyed this game, but, biting my tongue on issues, EXPECTING them to do the right thing in getting the issues fixed. I've lived with the random CTD and other broken things in this game, but now, having to "tell" UBI that we need a patch !?!?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/http://images7.pictiger.com/thumbs/0c/c1b6b490c6990cc2f4aa76ff1bb8db0c.th.jpg (http://server7.pictiger.com/img/126212/fun-and-jokes/picard-wtf-.php)

Hats off to the modders. I certainly would not be enjoying the game in it's stock form. They've really made it bearable & playable. :yep:

*edit* This is not aimed at the developer team.

[MONOLITH]

Unbelievable.


How much of an insult is this?

"Here's your sub with Radar....Wait....radar doesn't work."

"Here's the chronometer to do targeting... Oh wait..that doesn't work either."

The manual says I can make notes on my map. Yeah...If I use a sharpie on my monitor.


WTF.



Well, Let's just remember one thing through all of this fellas.... The Romanian Dev team are the ones that gave us all the great things in SH4. It's UBISOFT that stopped them from giving us the rest.

So remember to give credit where it goes, and blame where it goes.

But other than that, yeah, this is total BS.

[WernerSobe]

do not expect moders to fix the game. Moding is limited. You can mod many new things but you can hardly fix major game bugs. In some cases you can work around bugs by using tricks but you cant fix the basics.

[Jonin]

I won't buy another sub sim from UBI if they abandon this game like they did SH3. It was hard to convince myself to give them another shot after they quit patching SH3.:nope:

[Cap'n Crabs]

I agree Monolith, I believe in my heart that the Dev team has their heart in it also.
And I believe they are not satisfied with SH4's current state.
I know if I sweated months & months on something as complex as this game, it would bother me, and I would want to make people happy.

I've seen the one Dev post here and I'm sure he does care.
Just hope UBI lets them fix the outstanding issues.

[MONOLITH]

I've seen the one Dev post here and I'm sure he does care.
.

Elanaiba belongs to another website that I moderate at. I feel very sympathetic towards their situation.

Devs are at the mercy of their publisher. Few have the financial ability to stand on their own.


EDIT: What we as a community should do, is send our next $49 directly to the devs, to give us a downloadable game, and bypass UBI all together. And it could be done. Do you hear me Subsim? Do you hear me Romania? That should be our next petition.

[Cap'n Crabs]

I was thinking of "Maeren", not sure of the spelling.

Didn't know of the one you mentioned.
Hat's off to those guys. :yep:

[nvdrifter]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
Who cares? Its pointless if you really think about it...if a company makes a halfass product and doesn't stand behind it, people aren't going to buy it anyways...Your damned if you do damned if you don't...I rather fight fire with fire, instead of getting taken by a product thats done halfass...far too many software companies release crap these days and there no punshinment for that besides if they go out of business..which doesnt seem likely for a company like Ubi...

The least they can do is open up the code for moders to fix the problems with it, but no they'll just milk it for what its worth using the same crappy code.

I totally agree with ScottD. What the hell does everyone expect regarding Ubisoft? Why is anyone here even surprised they are dropping SH4 support after only 2 patches? Ubisoft doesn't exactly have a good track record about releasing finished products or even fixing them correctly later. We are paying beta testers, or should I say paying 'suckers'. They got our money, now they are running with it... leaving us with a half-finished product (as usual). I also think this is the end of the SH series. Good riddens. Ubisoft can kiss my ***. :down:

[FIREWALL]

General Motors had two class action lawsuits against them ... They Settled.

Even they weren't so big they could blow consumers off.

[NEON DEON]

I think we should take a legal action against UBI...
I think you should realise we won't get any more sims if we do...:down:
Who cares? Its pointless if you really think about it...if a company makes a halfass product and doesn't stand behind it, people aren't going to buy it anyways...Your damned if you do damned if you don't...I rather fight fire with fire, instead of getting taken by a product thats done halfass...far too many software companies release crap these days and there no punshinment for that besides if they go out of business..which doesnt seem likely for a company like Ubi...

The least they can do is open up the code for moders to fix the problems with it, but no they'll just milk it for what its worth using the same crappy code.

I totally agree with ScottD. What the hell does everyone expect regarding Ubisoft? Why is anyone here even surprised they are dropping SH4 support after only 2 patches? Ubisoft doesn't exactly have a good track record about releasing finished products or even fixing them correctly later. We are paying beta testers, or should I say paying 'suckers'. They got our money, now they are running with it... leaving us with a half-finished product (as usual). I also think this is the end of the SH series. Good riddens. Ubisoft can kiss my ***. :down:

Ah someone as diplomatic as me. :up:

[Skyhawk]

nvdrifter,

I agree with you completely. Those who are frustrated with this product have only themselves to blame given the track record.

What did we expect?

And if a self-righteous, condescending, antagonistic remark is made to you by a moderator on a UBI forum, be certain you don't respond in kind, it will earn you,

and get this . . .

a 7 day suspended account for antagonistic rhetoric! :rotfl:

The moderators can be sarcastic, etc., because they are only human, and they are volunteers, and they have feelings too, but the members cannot. A truly rotten double standard but then again so appropriate all things considered. But that's ok, Of my own free will, I hereby suspend my UBI account for life, LOL!! They showed me didn't they? ROFL!!

I am done with this company. Goodbye UBI and it's fanboys, not another penny from me . . . plead/beg for a CHANCE to get something close to what I paid for? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

No worries, I won't go away mad, I'll just go away. ;)

[harzfeld]

I have been lurking on this forum once in awhile since I got SH3 to see if any news on further patches for it, but never had SH4 myself, I came kinda chuckle while reading Ubisoft’s response regarding to the next patches for SH4. My opinions of today gaming industries is so low, therefore that news doesn’t surprise me at all. Last straw I had with Ubisoft that they didn’t provided 1.5 patches for SH3 that fixes further bugs and to remove starforce to be able to play without it. I don’t understand why the customers ought to kiss the developers’ butt no matter how incomplete their works were. What do you get out of it by kissing their butt after forking 50 bucks over to them? Nothing. They are not going give back the money to anyone who brought this game. I wonder what happen to the rule #1 Customer is always right, #2 if a customer is wrong, see rule #1. If I had brought SH4, I probably would attempt to initiate something to cause UBI’s recalls on this product to get my money back as well for everyone too, even if UBI still wins, then make sure it a pyrrhic victory. At least my experiences with prior games from few years ago had taught me valuable lessons by not buying SH4 or any more games which really did save my money and energy big time. Just venting a 2 energy cent rant base on SH3, that’s all I can squander. :sunny:

[Camaero]

If they don't finish the game, something really should be done. I am quite pissed off now. I knew they would leave us a game that needed to be heavily modded, but I was sure they would at least fix the hard code bugs! Without that, the game is just ruined.

[daft]

This is quite depressing. Ubi actually want us to BEG in order to get a patch. Surely the're is a joke in there somewhere. :doh:

[mookiemookie]

If this is true, then I'm really sad to see the end of not just Silent Hunter 4, but the end of the Silent Hunter franchise. And with it, the end of sub sims in general. It looks like our hobby is breathing it's last breaths. And no amount of lawsuits are going to save it...they'll only hasten its death :cry:

[melin71]

If this is true, then I'm really sad to see the end of not just Silent Hunter 4, but the end of the Silent Hunter franchise. And with it, the end of sub sims in general. It looks like our hobby is breathing it's last breaths. And no amount of lawsuits are going to save it...they'll only hasten its death :cry:




i think you have wrong. I do think that some day a other subsim game will come. and hoppfully from a other company.there will allways be subgames out there so long people play them. sure..it may take a while before next one show up. but im dead sure it will come.

[mookiemookie]

If this is true, then I'm really sad to see the end of not just Silent Hunter 4, but the end of the Silent Hunter franchise. And with it, the end of sub sims in general. It looks like our hobby is breathing it's last breaths. And no amount of lawsuits are going to save it...they'll only hasten its death :cry:



i think you have wrong. I do think that some day a other subsim game will come. and hoppfully from a other company.there will allways be subgames out there so long people play them. sure..it may take a while before next one show up. but im dead sure it will come.

I hope you're right, my friend! :yep:

[RedHammer]

EDIT: What we as a community should do, is send our next $49 directly to the devs, to give us a downloadable game, and bypass UBI all together. And it could be done. Do you hear me Subsim? Do you hear me Romania? That should be our next petition.

I hear you :) Problem is, I read SSI (The makers of SH series.) Were bought up by Ubisoft, hence, sending money to SSI, is either illegall, or ubisoft will give us the same walk again im afraid. But a good thought indeed :D

Other then that, regardless, I gave my vote, I don`t know whether or not "IT"`s true or fake. So I will save my opinion until the facts has been revealed.

[TopCat]

I think that's definitely the end of the series. If they stop support now they will hardly be able to sell a sh5. At least I won't buy it and many users of this forum won't either.

So either Ubisoft has a terrible management or they already know they won't continue sh, because without removing at least the worst bugs they do a lot of harm to their reputation ...

[minsc_tdp]

Ubi,

The last issue of GameInformer had a great comment by the Editor in Chief regarding the importance of developer reputation in this business. Regarding COD4, he said "Take this month's cover story. Another COD from anyone other than Infinity Ward simply wouldn't have made it on our cover."

Think about that. COD is such a huge, huge series, yet they wouldn't have even bothered with a cover article if the right developer wasn't used.

Not only are you tanking the reputation of your Romanian development studio, it is obviously hurting UBIs reputation by extension. Gamers have long memories, and we avoid titles coming from the disreputable publishers and development studios.

The small sim market, the smart mod community, and a disconnect with what creating quality games means has put this game in your rear-view mirror. You're itching to move on to the next project and just don't want to spend money on "enhancements" to satisfy the endlessly unhappy community. Therein lies the problem. When you discuss this amongst yourselves, you should not be thinking of patches as add-on content to a released title. You need to take a serious look at the title and decide how finished it really is. I'd say 75% is a pretty close approximation. We all know sub simmers can mod until the end of time and are never satisfied. But that's not the issue here, we are not begging for petty patches to fix minor historical accuracy details or grammar mistakes. The game isn't finished, and nowhere near being the fully QA'd, polished, quality UBI product it should be. When basic functions like the chrono and TDC are so broken, enemy AI is a total joke and DDs can be sunk with the deck gun from 500 meters without firing back, many things are seriously wrong.

The moment you chose to release this title to the public, you committed to producing a quality product, at the risk of ruining your reputation if you fail. A small market, a smart mod community, and the PC platform are not excuses to release trash and hope it passes as an acceptable game. Do not think the sub sim community are aging gamers in a bubble that have no influence on other gamers, and buy no other types of games. I'm a perfect example myself - I spend thousands of dollars a year on games, I'm 31, yet I have a passion for sub sims. Yet I primarily play FPS, RTS, and everything else under the sun - your bread and butter - and this debacle has greatly influenced my desire to contribute any more bread and butter to your already very fat plate.

Some historical perspective is always useful. When WW2Online ran into a serious budget crisis, they were forced to release the game at around 60% complete. This was probably the most incomplete, buggy title in the history of gaming. There were two important differences in that situation.

First, they admitted openly the situation to everyone, acknowledging the game wasn't finished and explaining that it was either this or nothing. This was, in fact, a big part of the reason I bought that game when it came out. They were honest, so I thought I'd help out. This is not remotely the situation with SH4 - you are representing this as a finished product when it is not.

When the WW2Online folks realized their only option was to release an unfinished product, the only reason it was feasible was because the PC platform made patching possible (unlike the consoles of the era). The second difference between SH4 and WW2Online was that they actually leveraged the PC platform and patches, saw the project through to 100% and finished the product.

The mindset that you can release unfinished trash, say "we can always patch it", and then not patch it is ruining the PC game business and pushing the world toward consoles. Ubi, you've done console games, perhaps that should be a benchmark of the quality of this title. How do you think this would fare in its current state on the XBox360, especially if there were no way to patch it? Would it have been released at all? Would you even have committed to this title knowing what you know now - that you were unwilling to see your commitment through to the end?

Please finish the game. Your reputation as a publisher, your development studios reputation, PC gaming in general, the dying breed of sub sims, and the enjoyment of all of your players is riding on it.

[rls669]

Great post. After all the "we'll take whatever we can get because Ubi is the only game in town" pre-release fanboyism, it's nice to see people wanting Ubi to be held accountable.

[vindex]

I was just speechless after reading the initial post ... just speechless.

I am completely ready to hoist the Jolly Roger on this. Who's with me???

(Note: by "hosting the Jolly Roger" I do NOT mean using a pirated product. I mean going into open and defiant rebellion against this unacceptable outcome -- in a way that HURTS Ubi's bottom line if they really do abandon this product).

[Wolfar]

I have been away for some time. Just broke down and picked up SH IV yesterday.

They never patched SH III completly and dumped any further patches for SH IV. We ran petitions and such back then. We got no response what so ever then so why is everyone surprised now? :nope:

[vindex]

Because there we no consequences. There need to be consequences.

RTR (Rome Total Realism) and GWX proved that communities can MAKE a game. If Ubi tries to get away with this, we need to prove that they can also BREAK a game, and a publisher.

[akdavis]

Well, I'm about to walk away from this one. It is quite clear that even if another patch comes, time will not be dedicated to fixing the AI and there never be any new features added to the game. Can't believe I bought two copies. I had a lot of hope for this one.

[Steel_Tomb]

I think its sad that a company the size of Ubisoft can not understand the simple methods of getting customers and keeping them. There was a time where games came out, and were patched until a vast majority of bugs were eradicated. Unfortunately the growth of the games industry has led to the major publishers like EA and UBI to do the "patch on release day and make them put up with CTD's for a month", then they have the audasity to announce an expasion (think BF2 series, they were releasing Special Forces without fixing some of the major bugs in vanilla BF2). The only UBI game I've got my eye on is GR:AW2, mainly because from all the contact from GRiN it looks like its going to be a corker of a game (although I will hold off buying it until I've seen what my m8s have to say).

SHIV is currently on the shelf collecting dust, and will stay there until v1.3 or perhaps even v1.4 (which I'm doubtful will happen). Shame...the SH series has been a great success, UBI are fools to think that the customer will put up with this crap. I'm off to the atlantic, ALLLAAARRMMM!!!:arrgh!:

[U-Bones]

There is a time to strike, and a time for quietly breaking off the engagement.

It is neither at the moment. It is time to improve and establish your position, but calmly and without threat or premature noise.

Once (and if) you get a posititve ID of an enemy, -then- do what you must.

Until UBI states there WILL be NO patch, you do not have the neccessary ID, so keep your scope low and outer doors closed for the moment.

All the legal threat posts are premature noise.

All the walkaway posts are pre-id breakoffs.
Be more agressive ! (By all means voice displeasure in any available venue)

Just my take.

[WernerSobe]

my word.

lets go vote for bugs and wait until 28. Mai.

If you still want to sink ubisoft then so the best way you can do that is by torpedoeing their reputation in game magazines. Flaming around in Forums will hardly be heard. But a flood of letters to a game magazine is worth an article which will make ubi pretty much unhappy.

[GoldenRivet]

all i can really say is that this will be the last game i ever buy from UBI.

it took me several days to stop throwing up after playing blazing angels and now SH4 is canned feces.... im not even sure why it is still on my hard drive... i have not accessed it since the week after release.

i understand there are people out there who LOVE this game, but i consider myself as a person who demands quality out of a product... and shiny subs with pretty water and some rocks and grass on the ocean floor are NOT the way to this mans heart.

i will never again buy another Ubisoft product UNLESS it has been released for several months and many many many players have great things to say about the product. I am finished throwing my money into this hole at UBI.

just like everything else though im sure UBI has great talent in their programmers etc, but some guy in a manager position expects them to turn out a complex product only allowing them a few months to develop it.

guys...

we have all been had, i hope ubisoft president Yves Guillemot enjoyes his new yacht or whatever in the hell it is he wanted badly enough to con us all over for.

what a douche bag

[terrapin]

my word.

lets go vote for bugs and wait until 28. Mai.

If you still want to sink ubisoft then so the best way you can do that is by torpedoeing their reputation in game magazines. Flaming around in Forums will hardly be heard. But a flood of letters to a game magazine is worth an article which will make ubi pretty much unhappy.

Just sitting there + waiting is not a good idea.

[partyboy]

all i can really say is that this will be the last game i ever buy from UBI.

Ditto. I just wish they'd actually feel the effects of that but they won't.

They rush a game out the door and then they cut off development of patches after only a couple months? They're a disgrace.

[TheSatyr]

I'm going to wait for an OFFICIAL response,either from an actual Ubi representative or a rep from the Dev team before I make any kind of decision.

Just cause the guy is a moderator on some forum doesn't mean he actually has a clue what's going on. I've seen too much crap happen on too many forums due to misinformation or out right guesses (and in some cases,out right lies),for me to take this guy at face value.

The sad part is that once a rumor gets started it's almost impossible to stop it.

[terrapin]

I'm going to wait for an OFFICIAL response,either from an actual Ubi representative or a rep from the Dev team before I make any kind of decision.

Just cause the guy is a moderator on some forum doesn't mean he actually has a clue what's going on. I've seen too much crap happen on too many forums due to misinformation or out right guesses (and in some cases,out right lies),for me to take this guy at face value.

The sad part is that once a rumor gets started it's almost impossible to stop it.


Go on waiting, all others better ACT and EXPRESS your opinions.

[-Pv-]

All the ACTing and EXPRESSing here is just a bunch of self-gratifying noise.

Ultimately these rants will have no effect on the decisions made by UBSoft. If they decide to fund another patch (which might happen) then there is a chance future sales of the game will hold solid for another year or so. Their ability to fund another patch may be dependant on existing contracts and schedules already set in stone.

If they decide not to patch it further, then sales will dribble down to a trickle soon and they'll write off the project as a poorly managed experience. They'll likely not fund the current SH dev team for another sequel. Regardless of which way this goes, fix or no fix, I don't expect the level of hateful rants to diminish here so why should anyone associated with the project subject themselves to non-productive hate mail day after day? Nearly everyone here has their own personal wish list and it's impossible to code them all even if the devs were funded for another year.

While I myself would like to see another carefully focused patch, if there isn't one, I'll play the game at it's current level for what it's worth and probably give it less of my time. I have other great games I enjoy. Life goes on.

-Pv-

[CaptainCox]

Does any of you guys have connections with the "Game" press/journalists. I think talking about this in forums and writing petitions and what have you is all good and well...but If this could get out in a more public medium i think the chances of UBI doing something might be a bit higher. Also the big "gaming" sites, like Gamespot, Gamershell, IGN etc...Only some thoughts...

If this has already been raised in other threads I am sorry.

[Reece]

what a douche bag
Yes!
:up: :rotfl:

[bruschi sauro]

lasciate ogni speranza o voi che entrate.....
( DANTE I CANTO DELL'INFERNO)
SHAME TO UBI.:down:

[Uber Gruber]

I know for a fact that UK Mag "PCGamer" pops into these forums from time to time.....I feel confident that there will be a small article or news snippet in their mag soon highlighting the discontent that is being expressed in these forums.

Given that its UK's most popular games mag then it's yet more negative publicity for UBI.

[bruschi sauro]

[quote=WernerSobe]my word.

lets go vote for bugs and wait until 28. Mai.

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Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific
Software House: Ubisoft
Data: 16/05/2007
Autore: bruschi sauro (saurobruschi1@virgilio.it)
Che dire di questo gioco dopo i fasti di Silent Hunter 3? E' incompleto ed ingiocabile, sicuramente e' costato alla UbiSoft un sacco di vendite perse. Non e' possibile immettere sul mercato un prodotto simile; gia' al momento della messa in vendita e' stata lanciata un patch per correggere i piu' gravi errori, esempio, premendo il tasto "A" con il quale si ordina di mantenere la profondita, il sistema andava in crash. Il cronometro che si utilizza per calcolare la velocita' di una nave ancora non funziona. Se si riesce a giocarlo e' dovuto agli sforzi di di modders che riescono a ovviare agli errori degli sviluppatori, rilasciando in rete mod che rendono il gioco fattibile. Dal 22 Marzo ad oggi ho contato piu' di cento (100) mod messi in rete....
Ho letto diverse recensioni in rete e' devo dire che i giudizi sono tutti concordi; graficamente e' bellissimo ma dopo non c'e' piu' molto da dire.. non va.
Per molti che come me hanno atteso questo gioco la delusione e' grande, e l'attesa per le patch di modifica l'attesa e' spasmodica.
Francamente non so come Ubisoft abbia potuto fare un 'errore simile, occorrevano ancora circa 6 mesi per poter mettere a punto il tutto: questo calcolo e' stato fatto su un forum statunitense, dove vengono riportati tutti i bug rinvenuti nel gioco.]DONE :hmm:

[bruschi sauro]

I DO IT;)