..i think im through with this game

[DrwHem]

i made a visual contact with a huge convoy so i estimated their overall course and it was pretty damn accurate and i managed to avoid 3 destroyers. then they all cross over my bow and i send out 6 torpedoes and get 4 hits and 2 tankers sunk. then on my way to surface to finish off the oter tankers before the destroyers turn around my god damn game crashed when i try to change my course....WTF COME ON!!!!!!! mabey ill play again when they patch it.

[donut]

I would rather not say your loss,use saves!

[MaxT.dk]

Yeah... Had to learn the hard way... Before you attack, SAVE! Rule #1! ;)

[SUBMAN1]

Haven't had the game crash on me yet. Hmm... Maybe a mem leak? Do you have at least 2 GB memory?

-S

[Morts]

i made a visual contact with a huge convoy so i estimated their overall course and it was pretty damn accurate and i managed to avoid 3 destroyers. then they all cross over my bow and i send out 6 torpedoes and get 4 hits and 2 tankers sunk. then on my way to surface to finish off the oter tankers before the destroyers turn around my god damn game crashed when i try to change my course....WTF COME ON!!!!!!! mabey ill play again when they patch it.
christ im getting sick of these "im done with SH4" threads

[donut]

A defragment,your drive, may help.

[ReallyDedPoet]

christ im getting sick of these "im done with SH4" threads


With you on that one:yep:

RDP

[rduffy34]

I have never had a crash since I bought the game

[TheSatyr]

Heh,the only reason I'm through with the game is because my pc just can't handle it very well.(The game is a slow slideshow on that machine.). Once I get a new pc I intend on playing the hell out of SH4.

[TDK1044]

I think it's all been said really. Save the game frequently, and make sure your PC is running efficiently.

[Iron Budokan]

I know you're frustrated. Just hang in there.

[mookiemookie]

I've had 2 CTD's and they were both fixed by patches (stadimeter and "A" key). Other than that, the game has never crashed on me. You might want to examine your software setup before blaming the game.

[Captain Nemo]

I think it's all been said really. Save the game frequently, and make sure your PC is running efficiently.

But as has been mentioned before in this forum, isn't the save game function somewhat unreliable as well?

Nemo

[fredbass]

In all fairness, I've had a few CTD's since 1.2 which have been annoying as well , though I haven't quit playing yet. :lol:

[stuntcow]

Have been lucky that I have not had any CTD's since I started playing SH4. I had one lock up and it was on the OS that needed to be reinstalled anyway so cant blame the sim for that. I do agree with the tired of the "I'm done with this game......." complaints. I really miss my german engineneered torps but oh well. Do love dunking those meatballs.......

[OakGroove]

save early, save often.

[ReM]

save early, save often.

A game is supposed to keep running until shut of by the user.....

Luckily SH IV doesn't crash on my comp, but telling someone who experiences frequent CTD's to save often is total nonsense...

The game is flawed and it needs to be fixed:yep:

I'm pretty sure all sub commanders who are on eternal patrol would have LOVED the possibility of a savegame...

[OakGroove]

A game is supposed to keep running until shut of by the user.....

To some extend that might be true for the console world. :D

[U-4053]

Some of us tried to begin an open forum on what course of action to take next, but it was quickly stopped by the mods.

[U-Bones]

Some of us tried to begin an open forum on what course of action to take next, but it was quickly stopped by the mods.
If you feel oppressed simply leave, that would be my advice. You are free to do so, really, trust me on this. You are free to have you own forum, where you can make the rules to suit yourself. That alone would give you a different perspective on freedom.

You are snarking about having to accept restrictions in someone elses house. Trust me the current managment is far more gracious and tolerant than I would be.

Go make a blog or something and stop with the potshots.

[Elder-Pirate]

I'll guarantee you that bad Ram can cause you to crash ( or at least the wrong tyoe ). I had three one Gig sticks of ram, two sticks from one company and one stick from another company. The one odd stick was the right speed but it was "buffered ram" and my motherboard only likes unbuffered ram. I finally wised up and sent it back, then reused an original 500 mhz stick of PC3200 unbuffered ram and now back to 2 1/2 gigs but no cdt for the last week since rid of bad ram and that's about 37 hours of SH4 playing. Oh well I'm learning slow but sure. :arrgh!:

[U-Bones]

I'll guarantee you that bad Ram can cause you to crash ( or at least the wrong tyoe ). I had three one Gig sticks of ram, two sticks from one company and one stick from another company. The one odd stick was the right speed but it was "buffered ram" and my motherboard only likes unbuffered ram. I finally wised up and sent it back, then reused an original 500 mhz stick of PC3200 unbuffered ram and now back to 2 1/2 gigs but no cdt for the last week since rid of bad ram and that's about 37 hours of SH4 playing. Oh well I'm learning slow but sure. :arrgh!:


Another common problem is people stuffing new video cards into older underpowed boxes and ignoring the plainly stated power requirements for the new card

[U-4053]

Sorry , but there are no pot shots here, I have been around this Community since SH2 first came out, and your right if we want to leave we can, thats whats great about America, if you don't like the action you can pick up your toys and leave.
But that isn't the case here, a few of us here have seen this course of action repeatidly and nothing was done.
This is suppose to be an open forum where things are discussed , problems addressed and then suggestions made, and then they get fixed.
Without an open forum to have a healthy Community, then your subject to the same problems and downfalls which happen time and again.
I applaud your right to voice your opinion, I repsect your comments and they have been heard.
I can digest the infromation and do as I please now, thats whats great about this forum stuff.
Blogs do nothing and end up as a bitch session with a bunch of Manly Yentas talken , but doing nuthen.
Debate is a good thing and should be encouraged, and at this point in time, I believe I won't take your advice.
I don't quit in the middle of an issue till it is resolved, or no other avenues present them selves.
But I sincearly thank you for your concerns.



Charlie Michael
SPD Retired
Elko ,Nv USA

[U-Bones]

Sorry , but there are no pot shots here, I have been around this Community since SH2 first came out, and your right if we want to leave we can, thats whats great about America, if you don't like the action you can pick up your toys and leave.
But that isn't the case here, a few of us here have seen this course of action repeatidly and nothing was done.
This is suppose to be an open forum where things are discussed , problems addressed and then suggestions made, and then they get fixed.
Without an open forum to have a healthy Community, then your subject to the same problems and downfalls which happen time and again.
I applaud your right to voice your opinion, I repsect your comments and they have been heard.
I can digest the infromation and do as I please now, thats whats great about this forum stuff.
Blogs do nothing and end up as a bitch session with a bunch of Manly Yentas talken , but doing nuthen.
Debate is a good thing and should be encouraged, and at this point in time, I believe I won't take your advice.
I don't quit in the middle of an issue till it is resolved, or no other avenues present them selves.
But I sincearly thank you for your concerns.



Charlie Michael
SPD Retired
Elko ,Nv USA

I have been here half as long as you, and my opinion is at the other end of the spectrum re mods tolerance. Think about the situation and put yourself in subsim shoes a moment and if you are fair, I think you would agree that they have a more vested position than you or I. They are entirely within their rights to shape the discussion here, no promise of an open forum has ever been made. That said, they rarely interfere.

Puttin myself in your shoes, if I had a thread closed, I would likely be petulant too ;)

Putting yourself in MY shoes, I had a crappy day and saw youir post as whiney and misdirected.

We all have ubi on our shoes today actually.

Cheers

[U-4053]

I have not had 1 thread closed, I have had many Closed.
And I enjoyed your retort, it was well thought out and deliverd.
And yes, I have Ubi on my shoes today .
The probklem is they are doing and saying the same thing, as before with all the other games, ans as with all the other games, I put my 2 cents worth into the pot , and maybe someone will listen.
But , if your thoughts arn't heard due to Censorship, then the the problem goes on, without, fresh input of ideas.
Imagine where we would be if they Quashed Christoper Columbuses Ideas.


Charlie

[U-Bones]

I have not had 1 thread closed, I have had many Closed.
Charlie
We may disagree, but I think I like you Charlie ;)

[U-4053]

I hope that is in a Hetro way ?


Charlie

[mookiemookie]

Their forum, their rules. If you've had many threads closed, maybe you should take that as a sign that what you're posting won't fly.

Like it or not, you're in Neal's house an he makes the rules.

[U-4053]

Their forum, their rules. If you've had many threads closed, maybe you should take that as a sign that what you're posting won't fly.

Like it or not, you're in Neal's house an he makes the rules.
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The only reason to have a forum is to have an exchange of ideas and infromation, I understand rules very well, I know what direct orders are as I have been subjected to them numerous times.
Actions speak louder than words, if you approach someone with a petition that has let's say 4,000 signatures on it they are going to say 2 things, #1 Pffft

#2 How can we get that list up to 5,000.( $$$$$$)
the exchange of ideas and infromation is a good thing, no mater what the rules are . Just be courtious, kind and respect what the other guy has to say , and you will fare well.
Debate is good.


Charlie

PS :
Neal has helped me in the past , no issues there , my beef is with the stoppage of debate and idea exchange, brain storming get's alot accomplised at times.

[heartc]

Their forum, their rules. If you've had many threads closed, maybe you should take that as a sign that what you're posting won't fly.

Like it or not, you're in Neal's house an he makes the rules.
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The only reason to have a forum is to have an exchange of ideas and infromation, I understand rules very well, I know what direct orders are as I have been subjected to them numerous times.
Where is the "exchange of ideas" in numerous "I'm done with that game", "I will no longer buy Ubi products", "SHIV destroyed my life" threads? We have a patch and a bug discussion thread stickied on top of the forum, yet some feel it neccessary to still flood the forum with their rants.

And a class action suit against one of the last publishers of simulations is not an "exchange of ideas" either, it is ridiculously counterproductive and I can see why this site is not interested to provide a rallying ground for it. People can make their own site for that or vote with their wallet if they want.

Oh, and btw, Ubisoft has struck a deal, a *contract* with the dev team before developing work on SHIV even began. This deal included a release date / time shedule and was signed by the devs. If the devs can't deliver a working product on that date, you can argue whether or not UBISOFT should have published it, but it's not like the devs are totally innocent either. When time was running out, it was up to the devs to decide what is more important: This fancy wake effect, explosion and video briefing (which is then totally unrelated to the following patrol anyway), or a working radar and TDC chronometer as described in the manual. Devs are mostly artists as opposed to business people, but if you want to sell your game and need a publisher for it, you better stick to the contract you signed or be out of business soon. All this flack directed exclusively at Ubi is extremely childish.

[John Channing]

I have not had 1 thread closed, I have had many Closed.


Charlie


Just to keep the record straight from what I can see you have had two closed and one was for discussing no-cd hacks which is against the rules.

Thanks

JCC

[U-Bones]

I have not had 1 thread closed, I have had many Closed.


Charlie

Just to keep the record straight from what I can see you have had two closed and one was for discussing no-cd hacks which is against the rules.

Thanks

JCC
I retract my +10 score because the clever cheeky reply was false.

[U-927]

2 posts in the last 2 days, you forgot the ones over the last 6-7 yrs.
An yes there is an exchange of ideas , except when you get a really good debate going and the Mod's lock or close it.
One guy had a great idea about a tort but it was shut down, I just read about the stock of this company and the stock holders.
They would be interested in what their company is doing and all the grumblings that go on here. ( many hands make for light work)
And you have to take into consideration that the sim public as a whole isn't privy to all the inner workings and goings on within this community.
Alot of brillant people come here, use them, they are a resource.
And large companys often times do not listen to petitions, forums or grumblings, they do however understand a subpoena.And then you now have their full attention.
As I mentioned before I've been around this community since SH 2 first came out, and this number isn't even my first number, or Communal name.
I remember when they switched to this forum some time ago.
So im not just some moter toten fool coming in here stirring the pot.
I've seen whats been going on , and have sat back for a long time without saying anything.
I've listened to the same thing for the past 5 years with each game that has come out, the community uses the same approach , and gets basically the same result.
Some of you are offended by some of the things I say or post, but I like you have just as much say as anyone else here.
I don't have to mention the Developers of the mods as everyone already knows if it were not for them alot of great stuff would not be accomplised in reguards to game play.
The problem is the same course of action is occuring over and over again and historically your going to have the same effect.
No one likes to tork people off but sometimes in order to get things done you have to step on a few toes.
And for the guy who came to Neals defense, no one is attacking Neal, Neal does a great job on his own, I do hope you have really good Insurance however cause if there is a sudden stop or 90 degree turn there is gonna be grilldamage.
And on a closing note, Im not here to make enemys, I actually care about this game and this community as a whole, alot of great people come here and read what is going on, the sad thing is their idea's wont be used as long as there is the type of censorship which occures , because no one wants their ideas to be shot down and to be ridiculed.
This shouldnt be an adversarial debate , we are all wanting the same things, the question is how do we acheive our goals.


Charlie

[U-927]

thats history Jc.
And John has been around awhile, so he has seen what goes on in here.
It's the same road being hoed over and over .

Thanks for your Input John.

Charlie

[DrwHem]

you need 2 GIGS of ram to run this game? it runs fine mostly for me but whenever i tried to switch to the captains log it has a mini crash where it repeats music for a few seconds but then it fixes itself. and i usually do save but its usually after ive gotten a kill. probelm is i let a salesman talk me into buying an hp 3 years ago and it only has 2 ram slots so unless someone knows of any cheap but reliable 1 gig strips of ram thats my only option. will that change the load game speed? cause i swear to god when i click load game i got for a walk around the block, take a shower,cook dinner and come back and it stil says please wait.

[U-927]

I have just short of 3 gigs of ram, my latest conflict is game crash while using the deck gun or machine guns to shoot at enemy ships.
I did incert someones big gun sound mod, I may have to reinstall the game to get the old sounds back as I lost them with my reformat.
And yep it loads very slowly.

[Snowman999]

Oh, and btw, Ubisoft has struck a deal, a *contract* with the dev team before developing work on SHIV even began. This deal included a release date / time shedule and was signed by the devs. If the devs can't deliver a working product on that date, you can argue whether or not UBISOFT should have published it, but it's not like the devs are totally innocent either. When time was running out, it was up to the devs to decide what is more important: This fancy wake effect, explosion and video briefing (which is then totally unrelated to the following patrol anyway), or a working radar and TDC chronometer as described in the manual. Devs are mostly artists as opposed to business people, but if you want to sell your game and need a publisher for it, you better stick to the contract you signed or be out of business soon. All this flack directed exclusively at Ubi is extremely childish.


Nice theory, but it doesn't work here. These devs are Ubi employees, not independent developers shopping an idea for funding. They work for an in-house, low-cost development center located where it is for those same cost reasons. Ubi management could or should have known every detail along the development process through standard, classic project management techniques. The gold code was not sprung upon them from afar. This was in-house all the way.

[U-927]

So the Plot thickens

[U-927]

Don't give up on the game, just reinstall and do one mod at a time till you find the one giving you issues.
These guys here will find a fix for ya, just be patient.
Sleep on it and go at it another time.

[John Channing]

thats history Jc.
And John has been around awhile, so he has seen what goes on in here.
It's the same road being hoed over and over .

Thanks for your Input John.

Charlie

No-cd and other hacks are clearly in violation of the forum rules. That is the only reason that your last thread got locked, which makes it very much a valid point.

And you are right. I have ben around since 98 and I have seen what goes on, but have come to a very different conclusion.

When 688i came out there were a few issues that were not fixed in the official patches. Neal started the now famous "Fix my 688i" petition that got a final patch that fixed most of the outstanding problems several years after the publisher (EA) had abandoned it and official support had stopped for the product.

When Silent Hunter 2 came out it certainly had it's problems, some of which dwarf the problems that SH4 had/has. Instead of insulting posts and threats of lawsuits, Neal worked with UbiSoft to the point where they released the source code to a developer (one only) who was brought to their attention by Neal, and a group of people was formed who worked very long and hard to fix the multiplayer and some other aspects.

The conclusion I have come to is that you get better results with positive action than negative.

The moderators here take a great deal of guidance from Neal. Trust me, without his influence and direction a lot of the foolish, irresponsible posts that appear here would be dealt with much more severely. Instead of publically banning someone it is much more useful to try to guide the discussion back to a more productive direction and tone. Failing that it is still better to quietly lock a thread that is heading downhill, than to create some public spectacle.

But this is not just because Neal is a vey nice guy (which he most certainly is) but rather out of enlightened self interest. Neal has worked very hard to provide a place where developers can come, participate and get mature, reasoned, adult feedback on their efforts. If we were to allow this forum to degenerate into the type of place that features endless "I'M GONNA SUE THOSE B*****DS CUZ THIS GAME IS TEH SUXORS!!!111" posts the developers would vanish like the dawn mist.

If you need proof of this just check out the number of posts at the official UbiSoft forum bemoaning the fact that the developers never post there, and the Subsim.com always seems to get the inside scoop first. In a lot of cases the posters are completely mystified as to why this is.

I am not.

Thanks,

JCC

[ReM]

When Silent Hunter 2 came out it certainly had it's problems, some of which dwarf the problems that SH4 had/has. Instead of insulting posts and threats of lawsuits, Neal worked with UbiSoft to the point where they released the source code to a developer (one only) who was brought to their attention by Neal, and a group of people was formed who worked very long and hard to fix the multiplayer and some other aspects.

JCC

Didn't know that...maybe something like this can be worked out if all else falters...they are not gonna throw the SDK on the streets, but a controlled environment might assure them...

Well,there's always hope..

I do wonder what is taking UBI so long before issuing an official statement though...

[John Channing]

Presumably they are weighing the financial pros and cons of investing more money into a product that may not give them the return they expect. They are a business, after all... whether we like it or not.

This is why the petition and the list of the most important bugs are so important. They will help the people who make the decisions to decide if the money required to fix the problems can be recouped through further sales.

Personally if they can fix the radar and AI, I will be a very happy camper.

JCC

[U-927]

I understand the rules, and the No CD thing was meerly an attempt to stimulate things and get some positive feedback going.
I do not advocate theft of anykind, but I also like a good debate.
It doesnt bother me to have threads locked or blocked, what bothers me is the censorship when a great debate gets going.
It's debate which brings problems to the forefront, and then they can be fixed.
Thats what we all want, to have things fixed, We all want the same thing.
There are alot of smart people who come in here who have the capabilaties to fix some of this stuff.
But unless you have open debate, that will not happen.
I enjoy these conversations, this infromation is good, I have learned alot about the inner workings here since this thread.
Thanks again John for your Input.


Charlie

[John Channing]

Completely agree.

JCC